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What impact will this have on the Creation-evolution controversy and the believers and non-believers of getbig?
Does this mean life on other planets besides earth?
HM
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I believe there is life outside of the Earth and our solar system.
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What impact will this have on the Creation-evolution controversy and the believers and non-believers of getbig?
Does this mean life on other planets besides earth?
HM
All about Jebus... ::)
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WOW deicide your getting it!
it is all about Jesus. Amen brother!
personally I think it's possible we will live
100% in space before the end times.
there has to be a reason for all of that being out there.
either that or the end times is quite a bit closer than
I imagine it may be.
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What impact will this have on the Creation-evolution controversy and the believers and non-believers of getbig?
Does this mean life on other planets besides earth?
HM
Their has been observations that commits hold water, in the form of ice, as well. which means nothing. Finding water on mars doesn't mean that there was once life on that planet. Since we were kids we've been programed to believe that where there is water there is life, finding watyer on a planet changes nothing.
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Their has been observations that commits hold water, in the form of ice, as well. which means nothing. Finding water on mars doesn't mean that there was once life on that planet. Since we were kids we've been programed to believe that where there is water there is life, finding watyer on a planet changes nothing.
Jebus...
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All about Jebus... ::)
Jebus...
What are you saying here Deicide? Are you talking about Jerusalem?
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What are you saying here Deicide? Are you talking about Jerusalem?
No he is making fun of Jesus' name by calling him Jebus, a lot of people do this on getbig and deicide is just another followerer. On the other boards it happens when someone remembers you from the religious board, McWay gets that a lot. It is almost insulting to think this would hurt me as a christian, especially when I'm ready to even die for my saviour Jesus.
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No he is making fun of Jesus' name by calling him Jebus...
This is typical behavior of the spiritually lost, they must mock and scorn our Lord, it comes with the territory. Dust your feet off brothers/sisters because when it's all said and done every knee shall bow and call Jesus Lord! AMEN?
Romans 14:11
"As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God." (believers and un believers)
HM
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What impact will this have on the Creation-evolution controversy and the believers and non-believers of getbig?
Does this mean life on other planets besides earth?
HM
I don't get it. What does Ice on Mars have to do with Christian Belief?
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I don't get it. What does Ice on Mars have to do with Christian Belief?
Absolutely nothing!
And I agree with this ---->
Their has been observations that comets hold water, in the form of ice, as well. which means nothing. Finding water on mars doesn't mean that there was once life on that planet. Since we were kids we've been programed to believe that where there is water there is life, finding water on a planet changes nothing.
HM
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No he is making fun of Jesus' name by calling him Jebus, a lot of people do this on getbig and deicide is just another followerer. On the other boards it happens when someone remembers you from the religious board, McWay gets that a lot. It is almost insulting to think this would hurt me as a christian, especially when I'm ready to even die for my saviour Jesus.
What lol?
I wonder how they think it's an insult to call Jesus the ancient name for Jerusalem?
Maybe Deicide is making some sort of end-times reference to Israel?
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This is typical behavior of the spiritually lost, they must mock and scorn our Lord, it comes with the territory. Dust your feet off brothers/sisters because when it's all said and done every knee shall bow and call Jesus Lord! AMEN?
Romans 14:11
"As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God." (believers and un believers)
HM
AMEN!!!
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Their has been observations that commits hold water, in the form of ice, as well. which means nothing. Finding water on mars doesn't mean that there was once life on that planet. Since we were kids we've been programed to believe that where there is water there is life, finding watyer on a planet changes nothing.
no but, finding water, NA, K, and CL, and traces of chemicals (could be contamination from landing) mean that their is in fact a form of life that was or is living on Mars.
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no but, finding water, NA, K, and CL, and traces of chemicals (could be contamination from landing) mean that their is in fact a form of life that was or is living on Mars.
I believe scientest, most of them anyway, are looking for ET life in the form of bacteria or a single cell ameoba, not the funny looking creatures you see in hollywood movies.
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This is typical behavior of the spiritually lost, they must mock and scorn our Lord, it comes with the territory. Dust your feet off brothers/sisters because when it's all said and done every knee shall bow and call Jesus Lord! AMEN?
Romans 14:11
"As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God." (believers and un believers)
HM
Is the definition of the spiritually lost someone who is not a christian? Because it really should be the definition of a non-christian. Spirituality is not exclusive to Christianity by definition.
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I believe scientest, most of them anyway, are looking for ET life in the form of bacteria or a single cell ameoba, not the funny looking creatures you see in hollywood movies.
uh yeah no shit sherlock
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This is typical behavior of the spiritually lost, they must mock and scorn our Lord, it comes with the territory. Dust your feet off brothers/sisters because when it's all said and done every knee shall bow and call Jesus Lord! AMEN?
Romans 14:11
"As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God." (believers and un believers)
HM
As I said before, I am still waiting for your fictional Canaanite war/storm deity to make a showing; until then, have fun crawiling on your hands and knees in imaginary worship...try Odin, he is a lot cooler.
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What lol?
I wonder how they think it's an insult to call Jesus the ancient name for Jerusalem?
Maybe Deicide is making some sort of end-times reference to Israel?
No, I am not and without wanting to insult you I think it utterly incomprehensible and silly that you believe these fairy tales, yet reject wholesale the fairy tales of Islam, Hinduism and various forms of polytheism...
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No, I am not and without wanting to insult you I think it utterly incomprehensible and silly that you believe these fairy tales, yet reject wholesale the fairy tales of Islam, Hinduism and various forms of polytheism...
Why does it bother you so that I believe in the God of the Bible?
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Why does it bother you so that I believe in the God of the Bible?
Because you believe it to be absolutely true, ignoring modern scientific knowledge and in particular never studying other world religions in depth. It's the same as saying Omaha, Nebraska is the best place on earth to live and you have never left the place. More importantly, Christianity with its pretentious, all encompassing, absolutist, yet thoroughly false and absurd claims, seeks to force itself upon science, the world and young people who don't know better; it was likely verbally beaten into you as a child since you are from the Bible Belt...there are many reasons it bothers me; most of all religious monotheists just can't seem to leave other people alone and have to proselytise.
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Because you believe it to be absolutely true, ignoring modern scientific knowledge and in particular never studying other world religions in depth.
I believe science supports my belief in the bible.
It's the same as saying Omaha, Nebraska is the best place on earth to live and you have never left the place. .
I cannot remember saying any place is the best place to live on earth. Maybe you're not saying I did and just making an analogy but the analogy does not apply to me.
Christianity with its pretentious, all encompassing, absolutist, yet thoroughly false and absurd claims, seeks to force itself upon science, the world and young people who don't know better;
How does it seek to "force itself" upon these things you list?
it was likely verbally beaten into you as a child since you are from the Bible Belt...
See, I think your tendency to presume things could have a large impact regarding why your mind seems so closed to the possibility of Christianity being true.
No, Christianity was not beaten ito me as a child. In fact, I'm not even sure my mom is saved or that my dad was saved.
Try not to presume things if you can help yourself.
there are many reasons it bothers me; most of all religious monotheists just can't seem to leave other people alone and have to proselytise.
Sorry but this really makes me wonder why you spend so much time here on the "RELIGION BOARD."
You are quite free to not come here at all but yet, it seems as though you spend a large percentage of your time on getbig right here...on a RELIGION board where there are obviously Christians talking about Christianity.
Why do you think if you are so bothered by monotheists that you come here so often where are bunch of monotheists congregate?
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Is the definition of the spiritually lost someone who is not a christian? According to the bible, Yes! Because it really should be the definition of a non-christian. Spirituality is not exclusive to Christianity by definition. Pay attention
I should have said spiritually dead but being spiritually lost is synonymous with being spiritually dead.
Let me clarify.
According to certain books of the canonized 66 books otherwise known as the bible (Genesis to Revelation) specifically;
Romans 8:9b
9b Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
Meaning he/she is spiritually dead without Christ, carefully read Ephesians 2:1-10 as it explains the spiritual condition of someone who is not in Christ.
Ephesians 4:5
One Lord (Jesus), One faith (his faith/faithfulness), One baptism (of the Holy Spirit)
Every other faith apart from faith in Christ or reliance on Christ's faith is futile. Any other Spirit apart from the Holy Spirit gives death not life.
Galatians 2:16
know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.
Ergo, If Christ the sustainer of life is not your Lord, If Christ the sustainer of life is not your source of faith, If you have not been baptized by the Holy Spirit/ghost you are spiritually lost/dead
The Christian faith is dependent upon what Christ has done for us not on what we can do for ourselves.
HM
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Water doesn't disprove God although it might disprove the bible.
They are NOT the same.
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Water doesn't disprove God although it might disprove the bible.
How so?
They are NOT the same.
Absolutely correct
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I should have said spiritually dead but being spiritually lost is synonymous with being spiritually dead.
READ WITH ATTENTION
In accordance to the bible....yes. but not by definition outside of the bible. Anything spiritual is not exclusive to the bible.
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READ WITH ATTENTION
In accordance to the bible....yes. but not by definition outside of the bible. Anything spiritual is not exclusive to the bible.
Questions for you, where do spirits come from and what is a spirit?
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How so?
The potential of water on Mars that eventually leads to proof of life elsewhere will directly contradict the bible which effectively states that humans are all there is.
But I've never understood how the bible means anything.. it's a book written by men.
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Questions for you, where do spirits come from and what is a spirit?
Everything comes from God.
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Everything comes from God.
except for the bible ;D lol
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except for the bible ;D lol
hehehehe yep.
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The potential of water on Mars that eventually leads to proof of life elsewhere will directly contradict the bible which effectively states that humans are all there is.
I don't remember ever reading this in the bible... Can you please give me a scripture reference or references?
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I don't remember ever reading this in the bible... Can you please give me a scripture reference or references?
No, actually I can't and you're welcome to dispute that if you wish. I say it as I have heard that repeatedly from bible-thumping southern evangelicals. I don't believe it is said in the old testament as those are the only books I'm intimately familiar with (I'm Jewish).
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No, actually I can't and you're welcome to dispute that if you wish. I say it as I have heard that repeatedly from bible-thumping southern evangelicals. I don't believe it is said in the old testament as those are the only books I'm intimately familiar with (I'm Jewish).
I'm pretty sure it is not in the bible anywhere, Old or New Testament.
Imo, one thing that is very detrimental to people possibly rejecting the (whole) bible as true is that they don't read it themselves and accept something some other person or people have said is in there as actually being in there when it is not.
Just because some bible-thumpers told you something was in there I wonder how long you've lived believing it and possibly repeated it as though it were a fact? People can be mistaken and in addition some can be intentionally deceptive at times. That's why we need to read it ourselves.....
I've had a conversation with some Jehovah's Witnesses that were telling me about some scriptures but they were taking them completely out of context and making them mean what they wanted. When I pointed out the context by reading the whole chapter and not only the verse, they had nothing to say other than to repeat the scripture :-\ You have to read the whole context around the verse to glean the proper meaning.
In addition, the young JW was not aware of certain scriptures that specifically and plainly state that being "saved" is not achieved or sustained by doing good "works" but by grace through faith. I gave her my email and she never wrote...I suppose it's possible the old lady JW w/her said it wouldn't be a good idea :-\
Brixtonbulldog, please hang around here more if you have time. If you have other questions or beliefs that you've had about the N.T. that concern you some of us will do our best to help clarify if we can.
Also, you being intimately familiar w/the O.T. could help a lot of us learn also! Thanks :)
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except for the bible ;D lol
Last time I checked everything means everything so don't exclude what you disagree with (the Bible).
I know neither of you disagree with everything in the bible, true?
I think a better way to describe the defamation of the many things God has created is to point out the influence of the perversions of sinfully cursed mankind. Remember God created Lucifer as well but he went astray because of pride and he was the most beautiful of God's creations.
Thiunk about it!
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Last time I checked everything means everything so don't exclude what you disagree with (the Bible).
I know neither of you disagree with everything in the bible, true?
I think a better way to describe the defamation of the many things God has created is to point out the influence of the perversions of sinfully cursed mankind. Remember God created Lucifer as well but he went astray because of pride and he was the most beautiful of God's creations.
Thiunk about it!
Perversions of sinfully cursed mankind? Please elaborate.
BTW Was Adam perfect?
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Just bloody hysterical.............. ....never ends.
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I'm pretty sure it is not in the bible anywhere, Old or New Testament.
Imo, one thing that is very detrimental to people possibly rejecting the (whole) bible as true is that they don't read it themselves and accept something some other person or people have said is in there as actually being in there when it is not.
Just because some bible-thumpers told you something was in there I wonder how long you've lived believing it and possibly repeated it as though it were a fact? People can be mistaken and in addition some can be intentionally deceptive at times. That's why we need to read it ourselves.....
I've had a conversation with some Jehovah's Witnesses that were telling me about some scriptures but they were taking them completely out of context and making them mean what they wanted. When I pointed out the context by reading the whole chapter and not only the verse, they had nothing to say other than to repeat the scripture :-\ You have to read the whole context around the verse to glean the proper meaning.
In addition, the young JW was not aware of certain scriptures that specifically and plainly state that being "saved" is not achieved or sustained by doing good "works" but by grace through faith. I gave her my email and she never wrote...I suppose it's possible the old lady JW w/her said it wouldn't be a good idea :-\
Brixtonbulldog, please hang around here more if you have time. If you have other questions or beliefs that you've had about the N.T. that concern you some of us will do our best to help clarify if we can.
Also, you being intimately familiar w/the O.T. could help a lot of us learn also! Thanks :)
Agreed.
I rarely claim to know of something in the new testament that is concrete or to have personal knowledge through reading it myself. In this instance it's not so much a case of me repeating something that might not be there but an instance that goes to show how evangelicals, in a desperate attempt to validate their own extreme beliefs and absurdities, are actually doing more harm than good. If it really isn't in the bible than I regret my own ignorance.
I happen to think very highly of most Christians but I keep finding myself in debates with evangelicals who attempt to change my mind about something. After I end up humiliating them and exposing their shaky foundation they usually fall back on "Well, you should talk to my preacher.. they know how to put it into perspective."
I've never seen a Jew go around trying to convince people of our religion. I don't know what possesses some Christians to do just that.
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Can we maybe just agree on that if water was found on mars or not could not possibly change anything about the spiritual truth contained in the bible, if there is any at all, that is?
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Can we maybe just agree on that if water was found on mars or not could not possibly change anything about the spiritual truth contained in the bible, if there is any at all, that is?
No, because it very well might.
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Can we maybe just agree on that if water was found on mars or not could not possibly change anything about the spiritual truth contained in the bible, if there is any at all, that is?
Wow, best thing you have ever written, Mr. Wienerschnitzel.... ;D
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Ive changed my name to polesmoke2
Wow, best thing you have ever written.
what made you decide ::)
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Perversions of sinfully cursed mankind? Please elaborate.
BTW Was Adam perfect?
We (mankind) have perverted every aspect of life and what was entrusted to us by God. (myself included)
Read Romans 1:18-32, Romans 3:9-18 and Galatians 5:19-21a no offense is new under this sun, it's all been done before.
Adam was created perfectly but of course he sinned and we are his offspring, everyone after Adam is infected (if you will with sin). We inherited his fallen nature so we all are drawn to sin we love to sin and we love to see others sin.
Questions for you:
What is righteousness to you?
Can you sustain it?
In your line of thinking is there even such a thing as sin?
If so who are you sinning against?
Is there a penalty for sinning?
HM
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We (mankind) have perverted every aspect of life and what was entrusted to us by God. (myself included)
Read Romans 1:18-32, Romans 3:9-18 and Galatians 5:19-21a no offense is new under this sun, it's all been done before.
Adam was created perfectly but of course he sinned and we are his offspring, everyone after Adam is infected (if you will with sin). We inherited his fallen nature so we all are drawn to sin we love to sin and we love to see others sin.
Questions for you:
What is righteousness to you?
Can you sustain it?
In your line of thinking is there even such a thing as sin?
If so who are you sinning against?
Is there a penalty for sinning?
HM
entrusted to us? who let the serpent into the garden?
How could Adam be perfect? did he not lie and disobey God?
to answer your questions:
What is righteousness to you? common sense
Can you sustain it? yes, if i don't allow bull crap like doctrine to influence it.
In your line of thinking is there even such a thing as sin? ordering the death of women and children is sinful. Or offering your virgin daughter to a horny sex crazed mob......amung many many others
If so who are you sinning against? Other people and in turn you are sinning against GOD.
Is there a penalty for sinning? I would hope there is after death we are all 100% guaranteed to find out. But in life there is for the most part.
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entrusted to us? who let the serpent into the garden?
How could Adam be perfect? did he not lie and disobey God?
to answer your questions:
What is righteousness to you? common sense
Can you sustain it? yes, if i don't allow bull crap like doctrine to influence it.
In your line of thinking is there even such a thing as sin? ordering the death of women and children is sinful. Or offering your virgin daughter to a horny sex crazed mob......amung many many others
If so who are you sinning against? Other people and in turn you are sinning against GOD.
Is there a penalty for sinning? I would hope there is after death we are all 100% guaranteed to find out. But in life there is for the most part.
Ozmo, I have long wondered; are you a deist or some sort of alternative theist?
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No, actually I can't and you're welcome to dispute that if you wish. I say it as I have heard that repeatedly from bible-thumping southern evangelicals. I don't believe it is said in the old testament as those are the only books I'm intimately familiar with (I'm Jewish).
Do you think the Jewish religious texts are truthful and ordained by God?
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Do you think the Jewish religious texts are truthful and ordained by God?
Likely not; most of 'us' Jews are secular atheists who think religion is a load of bullcrap.
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Likely not; most of 'us' Jews are secular atheists who think religion is a load of bullcrap.
Ha ha, you have a Jewish background?
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Do you think the Jewish religious texts are truthful and ordained by God?
Probably no more than the bible is. Maybe the commandments? Who knows.
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No, because it very well might.
In what way?
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Ha ha, you have a Jewish background?
I am 'Jewish', whatever that means.
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I am 'Jewish', whatever that means.
I do wonder, what exactly DOES it mean?
Racially Jewish (i.e. Hebrew)? I find this hard for all the Jews of the world to claim.
Is it much in like that I was "Christian" as a child because I was Christened and my parents are both Christian?
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I do wonder, what exactly DOES it mean?
Racially Jewish (i.e. Hebrew)? I find this hard for all the Jews of the world to claim.
Is it much in like that I was "Christian" as a child because I was Christened and my parents are both Christian?
Genetically, the term Jewish means nothing.
But put it this way, had I been around in say Berlin of 1939, I would have been murdered for sure because of my ancestry.
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Ozmo, I have long wondered; are you a deist or some sort of alternative theist?
Probably more of a deist, I guess.
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Wow, best thing you have ever written, Mr. Wienerschnitzel.... ;D
Since there is no spiritual truth at all, right?
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No, because it very well might.
Logically, it can't. Any scientific finding is "truth" about forms. Spiritual truth by definition cannot be dependent on formal truth. So either there is none or it is not threatened.
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Logically, it can't. Any scientific finding is "truth" about forms. Spiritual truth by definition cannot be dependent on formal truth. So either there is none or it is not threatened.
Spiritual truth may be independent. Claims in the bible, however, are open to be disputed.
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Spiritual truth may be independent. Claims in the bible, however, are open to be disputed.
That was my point. The spiritual truth must remain untouched.
If the bible is read as a series of scientific claims only, the dispute is inevitable.