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Title: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Ursus on August 01, 2008, 03:55:46 PM
hurt back...gimme a substitute for tomorro.

ill be doing
weighted chins
weighted pull ups
????????????
cable rows
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on August 01, 2008, 03:56:52 PM
balls deep body squats
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Ursus on August 01, 2008, 03:57:23 PM
and how will that help my back?
Title: Re: Substitute for barbell rows
Post by: Bast000 on August 01, 2008, 03:57:40 PM
scuba diving.
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: affeman on August 01, 2008, 04:00:11 PM
Dumbbell rows?? ???
T-Bat rows??
Machine rows??
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Ursus on August 01, 2008, 04:01:23 PM
Dumbbell rows?? ???
T-Bat rows??
Machine rows??

Nice idea back not into it too much can get a good pump. Cheers
scuba diving.

ah a wiseacre
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: wavelength on August 01, 2008, 04:03:46 PM
hurt back...gimme a substitute for tomorro.

ill be doing
weighted chins
weighted pull ups
????????????
cable rows

hurt back means lower back?
I wouldn't do cable rows, better cable pull-downs without leaning back.
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Ursus on August 01, 2008, 04:05:39 PM
its a very low cabel and i have text book form. Also only light they ar enot affected,

Ty for input though
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: pumpster on August 01, 2008, 04:20:59 PM
This or pullovers.
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on August 01, 2008, 04:31:07 PM
2 arm dumbell row on incline bench
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: The Coach on August 01, 2008, 04:44:49 PM
Chest supported DB rows. Lay face down on an incline bench with your body extended and head just over the top and do rows that way. You can still go heavy with little if any stress on the low back.
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: affy on August 01, 2008, 04:46:16 PM
Chest supported DB rows. Lay face down on an incline bench with your body extended and head just over the top and do rows that way. You can still go heavy with little if any stress on the low back.

yup these are a great exercise that I rarely see people doing anymore
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Crossbow on August 01, 2008, 04:47:40 PM
hurt back...gimme a substitute for tomorro.

ill be doing
weighted chins
weighted pull ups
????????????
cable rows

If your gym has one of these plate loaded seated Hammer Strength leg press machines, you could use it for rows by standing on the other side and gripping the inside bar, where you would stack the weights.

Not that easy to explain. The link below shows you the machine. Instead of putting the weights where she has them, put them on the outside and row by gripping the bar on the inside. The movement is very similar to barbell rows, but puts much less stress on your lower back.

  http://us.commercial.lifefitness.com/common/modules/display/video/VideoWindow.cfm?v=HS/hs_legps
 
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: pumpster on August 01, 2008, 05:01:12 PM
Chest supported DB rows. Lay face down on an incline bench with your body extended and head just over the top and do rows that way. You can still go heavy with little if any stress on the low back.

Late. The same concept was already suggested twice.
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: wes on August 01, 2008, 05:03:57 PM
I`ve been doing those lying barbell rows for quite a while now and my back looks better than ever.

No momentum involved and you really feel it in your back..............great exercise.

Hurt my back doing rack deads so any bent over row is out.
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: pumpster on August 01, 2008, 05:09:31 PM
I`ve been doing those lying barbell rows for quite a while now and my back looks better than ever.

No momentum involved and you really feel it in your back..............great exercise.

Hurt my back doing rack deads so any bent over row is out.

Agreed, both the lying rows and hammer row machine are viable alternatives to free weights that can in fact be more effective due to the isolation, despite all the claims that free weight, unsupported traditional exercises are always best.

Standard barbell rows are some of the least effective, potentially most injurious back exercises out there from my experience having done them for years, in addition to being exhausting. Anyone who does free weight unsupported rows is better off with T-bars and one-arm rows, the other arm supporting the back IMO, in terms of effectiveness and reduced lower back strain.
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: gordiano on August 01, 2008, 05:12:08 PM
This or pullovers.


Good stuff.

Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: kh300 on August 01, 2008, 05:12:52 PM
If your gym has one of these plate loaded seated Hammer Strength leg press machines, you could use it for rows by standing on the other side and gripping the inside bar, where you would stack the weights.

Not that easy to explain. The link below shows you the machine. Instead of putting the weights where she has them, put them on the outside and row by gripping the bar on the inside. The movement is very similar to barbell rows, but puts much less stress on your lower back.

  http://us.commercial.lifefitness.com/common/modules/display/video/VideoWindow.cfm?v=HS/hs_legps
 


i like those too. melvin does that at 1 minute in

Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on August 01, 2008, 05:22:55 PM
I`ve been doing those lying barbell rows for quite a while now and my back looks better than ever.

No momentum involved and you really feel it in your back..............great exercise.

Hurt my back doing rack deads so any bent over row is out.

rack deads? I find if I rinse the rack first or at least the weight per the DoggCrapp system I never get hurt.
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: wes on August 01, 2008, 05:28:33 PM
Friggin` nut!!  :)
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 01, 2008, 05:34:33 PM
hurt back...gimme a substitute for tomorro.

ill be doing
weighted chins
weighted pull ups
????????????
cable rows

Good mornings
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: QuakerOats on August 01, 2008, 07:18:40 PM
Goudy makes me laugh, every excuse in the book not to squat or do barbell rows but he pounds heavy ass benches and overhead presses like they're going out of style. ::)
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: BFP on August 01, 2008, 08:05:56 PM
Take the day off...

x2.  I can tell you from experience a bad back isnt something to try to train "light" if youre hurt.

Jason
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Zaphod on August 01, 2008, 08:12:03 PM
rack deads? I find if I rinse the rack first  or at least the weight per the DoggCrapp system I never get hurt.

translation?
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: jr on August 01, 2008, 09:30:59 PM
Goodmornings supersetted with weighted glute ham raises.
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Ursus on August 02, 2008, 08:38:46 AM
Goudy makes me laugh, every excuse in the book not to squat or do barbell rows but he pounds heavy ass benches and overhead presses like they're going out of style. ::)

My back is my strong part. It is just injured. I do ALL the exercises as best i can when i can. I have just been unfortunate recently.

I did DB rows, gonna try chest supported ones next day. Back feeling 80% now so hopefully early next week ill be ok. Thanks for input
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: QuakerOats on August 02, 2008, 08:39:52 AM
My back is my strong part. It is just injured. I do ALL the exercises as best i can when i can. I have just been unfortunate recently.

I did DB rows, gonna try chest supported ones next day. Back feeling 80% now so hopefully early next week ill be ok. Thanks for input
if your back was really fuccked up you wouldn't be able to do heavy overhead presses. ::)
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Ursus on August 02, 2008, 09:01:37 AM
I dont feel it on OHP i feel it on deadlifts and squats.
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Hypertrophy on August 02, 2008, 09:03:11 AM
if your back was really fuccked up you wouldn't be able to do heavy overhead presses. ::)

QO - maybe not. I pulled a muscle in my lower back doing a heavy dumbbell row last week. I was doing it  by bracing my free hand against my knee. As soon as I stood up when I finished, WHAM, I felt like i was hit with a 2x4 in the spine.

After a few days it still is sore, but I tried some PBN's today and as long as I had a belt on, I didn't feel a thing in my back. Must just be the way the nerves line up.

After all these years of lifting, I  have found there are some movements that I can go heavy on year in and year out with no problems, while others - if I change the angle just slightly I end up in serious pain.
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: QuakerOats on August 02, 2008, 09:04:28 AM
QO - maybe not. I pulled a muscle in my lower back doing a heavy dumbbell row last week. I was doing it  by bracing my free hand against my knee. As soon as I stood up when I finished, WHAM, I felt like i was hit with a 2x4 in the spine.

After a few days it still is sore, but I tried some PBN's today and as long as I had a belt on, I didn't feel a thing in my back. Must just be the way the nerves line up.

After all these years of lifting, I  have found there are some movements that I can go heavy on year in and year out with no problems, while others - if I change the angle just slightly I end up in serious pain.
i'm talking about heavy STANDING presses which he does, world of difference on the low back compared to seated.
Title: Re: Substitute for barbell rows
Post by: Ursus on August 02, 2008, 09:10:20 AM
It is when i am at the bottom portion of the lift i feel it. Since my back is not bent/rounded and is striaght etc when doing OHP i dont feel it at all...Not that i round by back deadlifting anymore.

I started deadlifting my dumbells off the floor when i incline. I believe going for me, relatively heavy and at a very fast pace i causing the probs maybe. The dumbells are extremley close to the ground. To overcome this i merely deadlifted them off a 2" block. Seems to be working
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Hypertrophy on August 02, 2008, 09:10:41 AM
i'm talking about heavy STANDING presses which he does, world of difference on the low back compared to seated.

Now that's an exercise I cannot do without going into traction after a few weeks, lol. As soon as I arch back on the press up, I feel like I am crushing discs.

I think there are some movements human beings were not built to do heavy, at all.
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Ursus on August 02, 2008, 09:11:38 AM
One thing i have is hyperextensive knees. Maybe this helps me standing press...no pain etc
Title: Re: Substitute for barbell rows
Post by: QuakerOats on August 02, 2008, 09:11:56 AM
It is when i am at the bottom portion of the lift i feel it. Since my back is not bent/rounded and is striaght etc when doing OHP i dont feel it at all...Not that i round by back deadlifting anymore.

I started deadlifting my dumbells off the floor when i incline. I believe going for me, relatively heavy and at a very fast pace i causing the probs maybe. The dumbells are extremley close to the ground. To overcome this i merely deadlifted them off a 2" block. Seems to be working
why not just walk them over from the rack, do the presses, kick them back down to your knees, get up and walk them to the rack without putting them on the floor?
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Ursus on August 02, 2008, 09:15:54 AM
the dont fit on the rack. Only DB's up to 80's fit on teh rack. Its all equitment made in the ship yards. Dumbelss are just plates welded to handles.
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: QuakerOats on August 02, 2008, 09:17:03 AM
the dont fit on the rack. Only DB's up to 80's fit on teh rack. Its all equitment made in the ship yards. Dumbelss are just plates welded to handles.
that's weird we've got db's up to 170's on the top rack at my gym, you should find a stand to put them on that's at at least waist level.
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Ursus on August 02, 2008, 09:19:24 AM
the rack is made in ship yard. all equitment is 46 years old.

I was thinking of putting 2 benches infront of the bench so that i was kinda suitcase deadlifting them but bench only has 3. cant hog it all.

The gym in this vid has DB's on rack mine doesnt


Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Cleanest Natural on August 02, 2008, 09:20:47 AM
hurt back...gimme a substitute for tomorro.

ill be doing
weighted chins
weighted pull ups
????????????
cable rows
stay on your current stack till u heal. I think you'll keep most of your size
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Ursus on August 02, 2008, 09:21:53 AM
What is funny romanian is that we here in ireland...pretty poor until recently used to send clothes and second hand stuff to you in romania. You are probaly wearing my old boxers.
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: QuakerOats on August 02, 2008, 09:22:32 AM
What is funny romanian is that we here in ireland...pretty poor until recently used to send clothes and second hand stuff to you in romania. You are probaly wearing my old boxers.
he's far too skinny to wear your clothes.
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Ursus on August 02, 2008, 09:23:08 AM
(http://file011b.bebo.com/1/large/2007/08/28/19/499474188a5405191748l.jpg)

Brutal Dumbells

(http://file011b.bebo.com/3/large/2007/08/28/19/499474188a5405152216l.jpg)
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Ursus on August 02, 2008, 09:24:14 AM
he's far too skinny to wear your clothes.

Thing is i am genuine. Local people in my area every year petitioned for clothes food etc in local schools and drove buses to romania to deliver it.

Burn2live went to romania on voluntary charity work 2 years back i think.
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: QuakerOats on August 02, 2008, 09:25:12 AM
Thing is i am genuine. Local people in my area every year petitioned for clothes food etc in local schools and drove buses to romania to deliver it.

Burn2live went to romania on voluntary charity work 2 years back i think.
how did you get the buses over the English Channel?
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: QuakerOats on August 02, 2008, 09:26:22 AM
Do you ever consider all the stuff you THINK you should know that make you "in the know" is NOT as important as you think?

Maybe all of the know what was written by frustrated geeky inferior people like yourself who try to make up for lack of ability with knowldge?
what?
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Ursus on August 02, 2008, 09:27:14 AM
how did you get the buses over the English Channel?

Ferry from larne to stranraer...drive to england...english tunnel over to  romania
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Cleanest Natural on August 02, 2008, 09:44:31 AM
What is funny romanian is that we here in ireland...pretty poor until recently used to send clothes and second hand stuff to you in romania. You are probaly wearing my old boxers.
:D you are killing me .... is your poppa proud of your faggish self ?
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Bluto on August 02, 2008, 09:46:34 AM
listen to broadstreetbruiser
he knows his shit
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Ursus on August 02, 2008, 09:47:58 AM
:D you are killing me .... is your poppa proud of your faggish self ?

What is worse is that a majority of it is school children sending money and food your way. Hell most of romain is still running about in these people in ireland wore when i was like 9.

(http://www.morrant.com/product_images/prd%7B002C06D8-F4D0-4186-BCC2-93FDF3EDC2B7%7D.jpg)
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Cleanest Natural on August 02, 2008, 09:52:26 AM
What is worse is that a majority of it is school children sending money and food your way. Hell most of romain is still running about in these people in ireland wore when i was like 9.

(http://www.morrant.com/product_images/prd%7B002C06D8-F4D0-4186-BCC2-93FDF3EDC2B7%7D.jpg)
yawn..we here talk bodybuilding. And in bb terms you look like a lettuce
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Ursus on August 02, 2008, 09:56:45 AM
I am young. Time is on my side.

Sadly time is working against you Right said Fred.
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Cleanest Natural on August 02, 2008, 10:12:56 AM
I am young. Time is on my side.

Sadly time is working against you Right said Fred.
time won't solve what god forgot to give you  ;)
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Ursus on August 02, 2008, 11:33:12 AM
time won't solve what god forgot to give you  ;)

You have good legs and apparantly good strength. I am much bigger than you. More dense
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Cleanest Natural on August 02, 2008, 11:39:38 AM
You have good legs and apparantly good strength. I am much bigger than you. More dense
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Ursus on August 02, 2008, 11:42:20 AM
I admit you have better legs and strength.

I look bigger though
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Cleanest Natural on August 02, 2008, 11:42:38 AM
I admit you have better legs and strength.

I look bigger though
:D :D :D ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Ursus on August 02, 2008, 11:43:52 AM
post a pic well
Title: Re: Substitut for barbell rows
Post by: Royalty on August 02, 2008, 12:59:55 PM
Hammer High Row
Hammer Low Row
Icarian Chest Supported Row