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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Hereford on August 03, 2008, 09:25:14 PM
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The United States, as we all know, is in the midst of a silent invasion by MILLIONS of third worlders. It is estimated that between 14 and 20 million illegal mexicans alone are residing withing the soverign borders of the US. This accounts for ONE IN FIVE mexican nationals. Of these, it is estimated that around 1/3 are on public assistance of some sort, although the exact numbers are impossible to determine. In many areas in the US, especially in Texas, California, Arizona, New Mexico, etc., entire cities have been destroyed and taken over by illegals, almost ALWAYS turning these cities into gang and crime-ridden slums. Anywhere there are large numbers of illegals, the hospitals go broke under a diluge of non-payments (It's impossible to force someone to pay when you don't have any idea of who they are), schools become violent third-world day-care centers (i.e., gang recruitment centers), and law-abiding American taxpayers are forced by their Social Redistribution focused government to pay more and more for the support of an exploding number of social paracites.
So what should be done about these people? I purpose the following:
1. Since we all can conceide that the unskilled-labor offered by some of the illegals is useful. I believe that a work visa should be issued to those who:
A) Can positively prove their identity
B) Have, or can develope, a solid work track record
C) Have a clean criminal record.
2. Such 'work permits' will only be issued to ACTUAL WORKERS ONLY. No more bringing mama, six illiterate kids, two brothers who always seem to find themselves in jail for drunk driving, papa, and the crazy cousin. I frequently work out of state, and I don't bring my wife, kids, parents, cousins and dog with me. The fact that entire families sneak across the border should provide an infallible defense against the liberal "They only come here to work" argument.
3. Migrant workers are not eligible for ANY public assistance programs. If you can't make it. Go home.
4. After 10 years of positive, productive work history, a permit-holder may apply for citizenship, and may achieve it, provided the following criteria are met:
A) Applicant must demonstrate a functional working knowledge of the English language.
B) Applicant must demonstrate a reasonable ability to support themselves and family.
C) Applicant may bring immediate, 'nuclear family' members into the US, providing they meet criterias 'A' and 'B'
D) Applicant and their family are ineligible for public benefits (welfare, WIC, food stamps, HUD) for 10 years.
5. Any major criminal convictions (felonies) immediately disqualify the individual from permit elgibility.
6. Any foreign national caught without a work-permit is immediatly positively identified and deported. If caught again, it's a complimentary one year stay in a Maricopa-county style tent city. Make it a better option to do things legally.
This is not meant to be racist or mean-spirited. I have mearly tried to present a common-sense approach to this issue which we as Americans can no longer afford to ignore.
What say you?
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K I L L
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First, spend lots of $$$ on investigations, and FINE the hell out of anyone that hires them. Running out of work will send a giant portion of them back. Deport the rest on sight, cut education for illegals, abolish the anchor baby thing,
I know, won't happen. :-\
What really irritates me is the Bush administrations term "Undocumented Works", they broke the law by coming here illegally, making everyone of them a criminal.
Fuck the neocon's and their North American Union
OBAMA 2008!
Eliminating the jobs won't really do a whole lot if they can just go down to the local state offices and get any and all public assistance they desire. As for the education thing... You haven't been around many of them if you think there is a large number who want to be educated! If you can live in a foreign country for years, and never be able to speak a WORD of the language.... you have no intention of getting yourself educated.
The whole anchor baby situation is so asanine, I don't think we should discuss it right now. If I take the wife to Japan to have a baby... Is that baby Japanese?!?!
And illegals are George Bush's fault? It's the left in this country that enables them in the first place!!! The only reason the 'Neocons" want them here is because a select few will do the meneial jobs.
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Cut back drastically on welfare, be sure that the recipients of (occassional) welfare are American citizens, penalize employers who hire illegals, etc.
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=227260.0
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Lotteries for permits to hunt?
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Lotteries for permits to hunt?
Excellent idea! Chaos for governer of California in 2010...
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First, spend lots of $$$ on investigations, and FINE the hell out of anyone that hires them. Running out of work will send a giant portion of them back. Deport the rest on sight, cut education for illegals, abolish the anchor baby thing,
I know, won't happen. :-\
What really irritates me is the Bush administrations term "Undocumented Works", they broke the law by coming here illegally, making everyone of them a criminal.
Fuck the neocon's and their North American Union
OBAMA 2008!
You're a RP fan and you will vote for Obama?
I think your political compass has two opposing arrows in it.
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You're a RP fan and you will vote for Obama?
I think your political compass has two opposing arrows in it.
The answer is simple: Unjustified war and unconstitutional abridgment of individual rights vs. ill-conceived tax and economic policies - this is the difference between venial and mortal sins.
The answer is simple: Unjustified war and unconstitutional abridgment of individual rights vs. ill-conceived tax and economic policies - this is the difference between venial and mortal sins.
The answer is simple: Unjustified war and unconstitutional abridgment of individual rights vs. ill-conceived tax and economic policies - this is the difference between venial and mortal sins.
The answer is simple: Unjustified war and unconstitutional abridgment of individual rights vs. ill-conceived tax and economic policies - this is the difference between venial and mortal sins.
The Neo Conservatives absolutely hate our Country, our boarders, and our freedom and want to destroy them.
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As opposed to the liberals, who are all about our freedom, borders and our country?!?!??!
What.
The.
Fuck...
??? ::)
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Neoconservatives and most liberals are one in the same. Do you need to read up on the Neoconservative movement? Google's a great resource.
"What.
The.
Fuck..."
We don't have a Conservative running right now (except Barr), but we do have Obama who (most likely) won't continue to pursue the Neocon agenda.
Why the hell isn't this thread on the Political Board by the way?
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Why not make them serve in Iraq. Have them trained, sent over..if they survive, they get to be a citizen. If they refuse to serve, deport them. That would stem the flow a bit.
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Neoconservatives and most liberals are one in the same. Do you need to read up on the Neoconservative movement? Google's a great resource.
"What.
The.
Fuck..."
We don't have a Conservative running right now (except Barr), but we do have Obama who (most likely) won't continue to pursue the Neocon agenda.
Why the hell isn't this thread on the Political Board by the way?
Dumb as a box of rocks.
All this "neocon" nonsense is just that.
Please speak to the contrary so I can destroy your absurdity.
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Why not make them serve in Iraq. Have them trained, sent over..if they survive, they get to be a citizen. If they refuse to serve, deport them. That would stem the flow a bit.
By my understanding this already can happen... the first part anyway. Anybody can enlist in the US armed forces. If accepted, you can get citizenship once you get your honorable discharge.
Most illegals don't want to become citizens, they only want unfettered access to the social handout programs that the neoconservatives force upon us. Oh wait..... ;)
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they only want unfettered access to the social handout programs that the neoconservatives force upon us. Oh wait..... ;)
hahahahahahahha.... ;D
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Dumb as a box of rocks.
All this "neocon" nonsense is just that.
Please speak to the contrary so I can destroy your absurdity.
Are you fucking kidding me? HAHAHAH
Are you saying Neoconservatism doesn't exist?
Are you trying to deny the fact that Bush and Company aren't Traditional Conservatives like they presented themselves in 2000?
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Please speak to the contrary so I can destroy your absurdity.
You won't be destroying anything (on this board or in real life) "Danimal"....
HAHA Jackass. ;D
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Dumb as a box of rocks.
All this "neocon" nonsense is just that.
Please speak to the contrary so I can destroy your absurdity.
hahahhahahaha.... Ok D'Animal... Maybe you can explain the neoconservatives that coined the term to describe themselves... That will be interesting to hear how they are nonsense when they are indeed the ones who gathered under an ideology and termed those following, noeconservitive. I can't wait, please do explain...
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You're a RP fan and you will vote for Obama?
I think your political compass has two opposing arrows in it.
Ron Paul would support neither, but it doesn't take a fucking brainiac to see Obama aligns with more, major issue wise, with Ron Paul, than McCain does. Jesus, McCain and Ron Paul had the biggest war going on. Yes, no doubt Ron Paul would have issues with Obama. But no doubt, Ron's greater threat is team Neocon and the way the republicans are acting. Obama is the biggest block to that now. Two major things you have to see with Obama, he has big issues with all these free trade agreements. He's siding with labor, in America. So is Ron Paul. He's actually against war unless it's the last resort, as is Ron Paul, not so with McCain and the Neocons flocking around him. you can nitpick on the small shit, but sooner or later you have to fucking boil it down to what matters most. In this, Obama fucking destroys Team McBush and the necons... Sorry Jackass... You're dead ass wrong here.
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Neocons Are Socialists
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Obama as a step might not be the perfect step, it is not. But a step in the same direction is so so so fucking wrong and that step is McCain. You don't have to be happy with everything Obama is, just that he is a step impeding the worst, team neocon unabated. We can always fight the small issues with Obama and make no mistake, if he gets in, he will not get his way on everything and that will be do to opposition. You Do Not Want Term 3 for the neocons... It will be the biggest mistake you ever made if you so choose.
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Obama as a step might not be the perfect step, it is not. But a step in the same direction is so so so fucking wrong and that step is McCain. You don't have to be happy with everything Obama is, just that he is a step impeding the worst, team neocon unabated. We can always fight the small issues with Obama and make no mistake, if he gets in, he will not get his way on everything and that will be do to opposition. You Do Not Want Term 3 for the neocons... It will be the biggest mistake you ever made if you so choose.
I hear read you.
BUT
more than likely he will stay the course the neocons have taken. A few tweaks here and there but nothing will ...
change. :-\
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I hear read you.
BUT
more than likely he will stay the course the neocons have taken. A few tweaks here and there but nothing will ...
change. :-\
I don't know about that. The dems have shown the rupublicans must have enough dirt on them that they're are forced to stay the course. I am as pissed at the dems as anybody. They didn't sign on to the status quo without something being held over there head. Note the thread I made saying every dem and republican should be voted out for new blood. But ahhhh... Obama is new blood... I also know some of the things he's saying now are campaign motivated. That's not to excuse it but that's the game. I know foremost that the status quo is very threatened by what Obama might bring... gee, why would that be. Because he wouldn't go so easy with the neocon line? Oh hell that's absolutely right. Look, if he gets in, they might still get their way, you're right, that's possible, but it's the decision between them maneuvering to get their way or them just getting their way. I'll take the road block. Is it the perfect choice for me, NO HELL NO!!! But I cannot fathom someone picking McCain over Obama unless it's racially motivated at this point. No insult toward you intended.
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Are you fucking kidding me? HAHAHAH
Are you saying Neoconservatism doesn't exist?
Are you trying to deny the fact that Bush and Company aren't Traditional Conservatives like they presented themselves in 2000?
Bush and co failing to live up to traditional conservative values is not neoconservatism.
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Ron Paul would support neither, but it doesn't take a fucking brainiac to see Obama aligns with more, major issue wise, with Ron Paul, than McCain does. Jesus, McCain and Ron Paul had the biggest war going on. Yes, no doubt Ron Paul would have issues with Obama. But no doubt, Ron's greater threat is team Neocon and the way the republicans are acting. Obama is the biggest block to that now. Two major things you have to see with Obama, he has big issues with all these free trade agreements. He's siding with labor, in America. So is Ron Paul. He's actually against war unless it's the last resort, as is Ron Paul, not so with McCain and the Neocons flocking around him. you can nitpick on the small shit, but sooner or later you have to fucking boil it down to what matters most. In this, Obama fucking destroys Team McBush and the necons... Sorry Jackass... You're dead ass wrong here.
You're inflating some very weak ideas to hide the fact that the only real similarity between Obama and RP is their opposition to the Iraq war. Conservatism (even neoconservatism) is far closer to libertarianism than the socialism Obama represents. Pull your head out of your ass and stop trying to paint your boy obama like a candidate representative of ANY positive value.
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hahahhahahaha.... Ok D'Animal... Maybe you can explain the neoconservatives that coined the term to describe themselves... That will be interesting to hear how they are nonsense when they are indeed the ones who gathered under an ideology and termed those following, noeconservitive. I can't wait, please do explain...
"Oh no!! It's those evil neocons at it again!!" hahahaha..
You guys need to learn to make a distinction between what a neocon really is and the people you're throwing it at. Wiki gives a decent description but it can vary depending on who you ask and for the mostpart it is far from this negative connotation to which you ascribe it.
What it really boils down to is most people don't have a clue and when ignorant leftys like you use it against a politician or group it simply sounds bad.
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All this "neocon" nonsense is just that.
You should do some reading into neoconservatism. It's a very real movement that's been around for decades.
Really, you should be embarassed for yourself. Agree with its tenets, or don't. But to deny it exists shows how ignorant you are, bro. Not flaming.
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Heres an idea, round up all the men women and children and force them to build a wall sepereating the US from Mexico round the clock for 18 hours a day until half of them die from exhaustion, then bury them under the wall to increase its height ( hey, it worked with the great wall in China). Then, when the wall is completed, or all of them are dead, bury them under the wall and go home, put armed guards every 2 meters along the perimeter with shoot to kill orders.
Oops, I think I revealed John McCains top secret Neo Con immigration reform plan..... Shhhh dont tell anyone, especially not any liberals.
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Bush and co failing to live up to traditional conservative values is not neoconservatism.
Agreed.
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Don't look for anything to be done anytime soon.....at least in the next 4-8 years.
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You cannot say that Obama is more in line with Ron Paul, absolutely not. The fact is that Ron is very different from both candidates. On some issues he is more similar to Obama and some McCain, others he has a different opinion than both. Ron is completely, to the core, opposed to Obama's government control over aspects of the free market and his redistribution of wealth, larger gov, quasi-socialistic views. Despite some of the things Obama says now, look at his history and it is clear. Those items are against Ron's core, and thats why I cannot vote for Obama.
As far as McCain & Obama on illegals, Obama will not help the current situation. McCain is scary because he changed opinions.
I am very upset that this election is not Clinton vs Romney vs Ron Paul. Those should be our candidates to choose from.
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You should do some reading into neoconservatism. It's a very real movement that's been around for decades.
Really, you should be embarassed for yourself. Agree with its tenets, or don't. But to deny it exists shows how ignorant you are, bro. Not flaming.
Look at the context in which I used it where you quoted me and then take the time to read the other posts I wrote. Their reckless and inflammatory USE of the neocon moniker is the issue. Now show me where I denied it's existence, 240.. please.
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I still like McCains... Uh I mean my idea best.