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I tried when I was 26 and 27 and never noticed anything...now with the andropause coming up soon, you reckon it will make a difference?
Any experience with tribulus after 30?
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I tried when I was 26 and 27 and never noticed anything...now with the andropause coming up soon, you reckon it will make a difference?
Any experience with tribulus after 30?
First, define "tried it", i.e.
- Brand (type, % saponins)
- Dose (how much)
- Duration (how long)
BTW, what's up with this sad-sack "woe-is-me", bad genetics, andropause kick stuff?
That's the last thing on my mind, and I've got 5 years on you.
I don't know where you got the idea that your quest for size and mass is worthless, just because you've hit 30. But, you need to get rid of it QUICKLY, because that ain't the way it is.
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I tried when I was 26 and 27 and never noticed anything...now with the andropause coming up soon, you reckon it will make a difference?
Any experience with tribulus after 30?
andropause??
at 30??
You are totally overestimating the drop in test levels.
Tribulus raises estrogen as well as test, it's total crap.
If you are really THAT desperate, try Novedex XT for a test booster or just hit the juice.
It's no use in staying natural if you are going depressive, than it's better to hit a light cycle.
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The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men.
Neychev VK, Mitev VI.
Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Medical University, 2 Zdrave str., Sofia-1431, Bulgaria. neychev@dir.bg
OBJECTIVE: The aim of the current study is to investigate the influence of Tribulus terrestris extract on androgen metabolism in young males. DESIGN AND METHODS: Twenty-one healthy young 20-36 years old men with body weight ranging from 60 to 125 kg were randomly separated into three groups-two experimental (each n=7) and a control (placebo) one (n=7). The experimental groups were named TT1 and TT2 and the subjects were assigned to consume 20 and 10 mg/kg body weight per day of Tribulus terrestris extract, respectively, separated into three daily intakes for 4 weeks. Testosterone, androstenedione and luteinizing hormone levels in the serum were measured 24 h before supplementation (clear probe), and at 24, 72, 240, 408 and 576 h from the beginning of the supplementation. RESULTS: There was no significant difference between Tribulus terrestris supplemented groups and controls in the serum testosterone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 15.75+/-1.75 nmol/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 16.32+/-1.57 nmol/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 17.74+/-1.09 nmol/l) (p>0.05)), androstenedione (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 1.927+/-0.126 ng/ml); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 2.026+/-0.256 ng/ml); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 1.952+/-0.236 ng/ml) (p>0.05)) or luteinizing hormone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.662+/-0.274U/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.103+/-0.869U/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 4.170+/-0.406U/l) (p>0.05)) levels. All results were within the normal range. The findings in the current study anticipate that Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins possess neither direct nor indirect androgen-increasing properties. The study will be extended in the clarifying the probable mode of action of Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins.
Publication Types:
* Randomized Controlled Trial
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15994038?dopt=Abstract
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P.S.: IF there is sth like an andropause, it should hit you somewhere between 45 and 65, i think you still have time.
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Of the people with whom I've chatted here, who've said they had good results with Trib, most (if not all) have done so, using extremely high doses (at least 1500 mg per day). Some have gone as high as 3000 mg/day.
The issue I have with these studies is too often they use too low of a dose for the subjects. Then, they claim that Trib doesn't work. MidniteRambo posted a similar study several months ago, which I criticized for that reason.
As for this study, I have a tough time thinking that 2500 mg of Tribulus is going to help a 275-lb (125 kg) guy. He may have to double that amount, to get any kick out of it. 1250 milligrams definitely won't help. And, that's assuming that these guys are, for the most part, athletic.
What was the saponin percentage of the Tribulus used? From what I've read, it has to be at least 40% for the Trib product to be any good. A lot of the super-cheap Trib products have saponins as low as 12%. Other products that get rave reviews (and happen to be a bit more pricey, unless they get marked down at GNC ;D ) have 80% saponins. Nutrex's Vitrix and Nx Care's NITRO T3 immediately come to mind.
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ultimate nutrtion tribulus is a good choice, 3 pills /day@ morning will help
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its good for libido, no evidence to show its good for testosterone though. try a higher fat diet along side a high intensity-lower volume workout routine emphasizing coupund movements.
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Looking at tits and asses three times a day for ten mins will give you a better test boost than tribulus.
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First, define "tried it", i.e.
- Brand (type, % saponins)
- Dose (how much)
- Duration (how long)
BTW, what's up with this sad-sack "woe-is-me", bad genetics, andropause kick stuff?
That's the last thing on my mind, and I've got 5 years on you.
I don't know where you got the idea that your quest for size and mass is worthless, just because you've hit 30. But, you need to get rid of it QUICKLY, because that ain't the way it is.
Well, you have Jesus on your side...don't you MCWAY?
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Well, you have Jesus on your side...don't you MCWAY?
Look!! I was just trying to just give you some advice. If you want to be a smart-alec, then you can continue to do the backstroke in self-pity, making excuses for your pitiful progress.
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Onli sing sat works is indschekting se hormons.
But even without them, I feel like I'm 21, better actually. Its all in se mind baby!
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its good for libido, no evidence to show its good for testosterone though. try a higher fat diet along side a high intensity-lower volume workout routine emphasizing coupund movements.
wth are you talking about...
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Look!! I was just trying to just give you some advice. If you want to be a smart-alec, then you can continue to do the backstroke in self-pity, making excuses for your pitiful progress.
So Jesus has had nothing to do with the progress you have made?! :o
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wth are you talking about...
a way to boost testosterone levels through diet and training...
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a way to boost testosterone levels through diet and training...
squats and deads=boost test...but you should be doing those anyway...i think they are talking about a level higher than what squats and deads yeild...and fat lowers test..
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squats and deads=boost test...but you should be doing those anyway...i think they are talking about a level higher than what squats and deads yeild...and fat lowers test..
hmmm.
squats and deads, yes. 4sure. any heavy coimpound movement done with intensity. those are testosterone stimulating.
high fat diet greatly increases testosterone.
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ultimate nutrtion tribulus is a good choice, 3 pills /day@ morning will help
thats what I use one in am one in pm, I like it.
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pathetic. I'm 48 years old and don't resort to crap like that.
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I'd love to see one human study that shows Tribulus by itself increases test or LH. I think it's the biggest scam in test-boosting supplementation since Smilax.
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So Jesus has had nothing to do with the progress you have made?! :o
I'm sorry!!! I was under the silly impression that someone over 30 asking about using Tribulus would want to ACTUALLY HEAR SOME INPUT from someone who has use Tribulus and is over 30.
Again, What brand? How much? How long?
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andropause??
at 30??
You are totally overestimating the drop in test levels.
Tribulus raises estrogen as well as test, it's total crap.
If you are really THAT desperate, try Novedex XT for a test booster or just hit the juice.
It's no use in staying natural if you are going depressive, than it's better to hit a light cycle.
DK...just curious, instead of going with Epistane for 4 weeks...can a guy just take Nvedex XT and say, Anabolic Xtreme's Retain 2 for a decent stack for 4 weeks or so?
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DK...just curious, instead of going with Epistane for 4 weeks...can a guy just take Nvedex XT and say, Anabolic Xtreme's Retain 2 for a decent stack for 4 weeks or so?
Stay away from these shitty designer steroids. They were never tested and are just fabricated after a book from the 60s.
Just do the real stuff.
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Stay away from these shitty designer steroids. They were never tested and are just fabricated after a book from the 60s.
Just do the real stuff.
Steroids aren't the "real" stuff. They're synthetic version of testosterone that have been altered to be more anabolic than androgenic.
Back to Tribulus, the percentage of saponins plays a factor into how effective a product is. That study you linked didn't mention what kind of Tryb was being used.
Again, the people who said they got good results using it have taken high doses, with the saponins being at least 40% (Ultimate Nutrition's Tribulus has 45% saponins and runs fairly cheap, about $20-$25....or less IF you do the Gold Card thing ;D ).
I've used that one, too. But, I've switched to Vitamin Shoppe's Python, which has Trib, Avena Sativa, Urtica Diodica, among other things. I usually take 4 "tablets", an hour before training.
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I'm sorry!!! I was under the silly impression that someone over 30 asking about using Tribulus would want to ACTUALLY HEAR SOME INPUT from someone who has use Tribulus and is over 30.
Again, What brand? How much? How long?
It's a German brand. LSP.
Saponin content is 63%; I take 6 a day right now, broken up into 2, morning, afternoon and night...that's 3750mg a day
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I tried when I was 26 and 27 and never noticed anything...now with the andropause coming up soon, you reckon it will make a difference?
In your wallet yes, in your body no. The only way to know if your T is taking a dive is via blood work. Two, you should have a full hormone profile done young so you have a baseline to compare it to. I know what my T levels were in my 20s, 30, and now (crap!) 40s. My article "It's in your blood" covers most of what you need to know in terms of testing. Treatment is another issue....
It's In Your Blood
by Will Brink
A down and dirty primer and intro to understanding the value of regular blood work with some strategies and pointers for optimizing hormones and other things that negatively or positively impact your health and ability to add lean body mass and minimize bodyfat levels
One topic that seems to be a never-ending source of confusion is blood, or more precisely, understanding blood work and which tests to get and why. It never fails to amaze me that the vast majority of bodybuilders and other athletes have no issue spending literally thousands of dollars on supplements (some of which have virtually no science behind them to justify their use) and gym memberships each year, but won't spend a penny on blood tests to see what's really going on with their hormones and other indicators of health (e.g., cholesterol, liver function, etc.).
This is odd considering the fact that it's those very hormones that are ultimately responsible for whether or not your hard work in the gym is a waste of time (read busting your ass and getting no place fast) or productive. Let me be as clear as possible here: if your blood chemistry is off, meaning your hormone levels are sub par, you can eat all the supplements you want, follow any fancy new routine you want, and eat all you want, and you will be spinning your wheels with little to no results!
Depending on how out of whack your hormones are, you will get less then optimal results from your hard work or virtually no results at all. Conversely, the person with naturally optimal levels of hormones, or the person that has optimized their hormone levels via external assistance (more on that later) is going to make the progress they expect from their training, nutrition, and supplement use.
Now, explaining everything there is to know about blood work, hormones, etc., is far beyond the scope of this article. What I hope to do is give people a primer, using my own recent blood tests as examples, so people understand the importance of regular blood work and will follow up by learning more about the topic via additional readings, talking to a doctor, surfing the net, and so on.
Most bodybuilders know about the major anabolic and catabolic hormones, such as testosterone, Insulin-like growth factor-1, GH, cortisol, etc. There are however other tests that give an overall picture that should be considered (e.g., estradiol, thyroid hormones, etc.) and not all hormones can be tested for easily by a single blood draw, such as GH, which does not last long enough in the blood and is released in a pulsatile fashion, making it difficult to test for unless you are hooked up for multiple blood draws throughout the day.
http://www.brinkzone.com/articledetails.php?acatid=3&aid=17
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It's a German brand. LSP.
Saponin content is 63%; I take 6 a day right now, broken up into 2, morning, afternoon and night...that's 3750mg a day
How long have you been using this product?
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How long have you been using this product?
Less than a week...
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Less than a week...
It's safe to say you're going to have to wait just a LITTLE BIT LONGER than 7 days for Tribulus to have any effect. You may not need any more than about 1500 - 2000 mg. Give that a try for about 4-6 weeks.
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You have two experts saying it doesn't work. They are right.
Libido yes, maybe. T elevation = where's the evidence??
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My husband is over 30 and has been supplementing with Tribulus. He says he notices a difference and loves it! (and so do I ;D)
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My husband is over 30 and has been supplementing with Tribulus. He says he notices a difference and loves it! (and so do I ;D)
He love you long time!!! ;D
Which brand of Tribulus does he use? I use Vitamin Shoppe's Python, as it's quite economical!!