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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: theworm on August 04, 2008, 12:31:09 PM
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many people on other sites complain that deca is worthless. its overpriced, has its sides, and produces little gains... one must stay on it for 12-16 weeks just to notice anything...
anyone here have an opinion?
i can get test 500 x 12 weeks for the same price as a bottle of deca 300...
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in my opinion deca is for older folks to help with joint pain. taking test and eq will put u in a positive nitrogen balance but you will have less bloat. i personally would not take deca.
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Test and Deca are the two best overall compounds IMO.
Best when used together of course.
Eq is weak, but everyone has their own opinion.
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yes, but when used together,,, how do you not know if its the test thats making you grow....
i am going to do 500 test plus 300 deca and record everything, then do 500 test alone and see if there is any difference,,,, this may take me a half year or so, but i will keep everyone posted...
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yes, but when used together,,, how do you not know if its the test thats making you grow....
Because i understand how all AAS work and i have used just about every compound in every situation you could think of.
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Because i understand how all AAS work and i have used just about every compound in every situation you could think of.
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hello dizzle ;D
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Because i understand how all AAS work and i have used just about every compound in every situation you could think of.
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you used deca alone? if so, what were the results?
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yes, but when used together,,, how do you not know if its the test thats making you grow....
i am going to do 500 test plus 300 deca and record everything, then do 500 test alone and see if there is any difference,,,, this may take me a half year or so, but i will keep everyone posted...
Worm, this is another reason we tell new guys to run 500mg test only for a first cycle. That way you will know exactly how the drug affects you without adding to the mix with different compounds. Deca with test and dbol is a great combination, and I would not ever turn down deca especially for adding slabs of beef to your physique. You do need your diet in check, to make sure you get quality gains and not lots of fat. Even so t-3 might be good to run while on nandrolone.
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yes, but when used together,,, how do you not know if its the test thats making you grow....
i am going to do 500 test plus 300 deca and record everything, then do 500 test alone and see if there is any difference,,,, this may take me a half year or so, but i will keep everyone posted...
Simple, because i tried them both by themselves and together they are powerful. Repair is faster not nessessarly for the muscle but for the tendons and joints
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Worm, this is another reason we tell new guys to run 500mg test only for a first cycle. That way you will know exactly how the drug affects you without adding to the mix with different compounds. Deca with test and dbol is a great combination, and I would not ever turn down deca especially for adding slabs of beef to your physique. You do need your diet in check, to make sure you get quality gains and not lots of fat. Even so t-3 might be good to run while on nandrolone.
whatchu talkin bout willis
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whatchu talkin bout willis
? Are there things Candi? ;D
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? Are there things Candi? ;D
lol
why do you suggest t3 with those steroids
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lol
why do you suggest t3 with those steroids
t-3 with nandrolone, because people tend to put on some fat when on nandrolone even if there diet is in check. T-3 will help keep the fat off through cycle.
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t-3 with nandrolone, because people tend to put on some fat when on nandrolone even if there diet is in check. T-3 will help keep the fat off through cycle.
no shit ? do you think its fat or just water ?
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no shit ? do you think its fat or just water ?
both
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t-3 with nandrolone, because people tend to put on some fat when on nandrolone even if there diet is in check. T-3 will help keep the fat off through cycle.
Interesting.
Any idea why?
I've never had that issue, in fact, Deca gives me leaner gains than EQ.
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I am not absolutely positive, but I think it may slow the thyroid. I have seen no studies on this, but I have seen the end results many times. I have read a few non scientific articles on this as well. When I run a low dose of t-3 (25mcg ed) with nandrolone, I notice leaner gains.
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I am not absolutely positive, but I think it may slow the thyroid. I have seen no studies on this, but I have seen the end results many times. I have read a few non scientific articles on this as well. When I run a low dose of t-3 (25mcg ed) with nandrolone, I notice leaner gains.
what kind of t3 protcol works best for you? how long after your last dose till you have a normal metabolism again?
the one time i tried t3, i put on some fat in the first week after i discontinued using it. this might have been due to the munchies, but i still think the depressed thyroid probably played a [part. lol.
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glad to see the responses,,,i always thought deca and test was synergistic... of course i would like EQ, but can only get deca.
deca seems to produce leaner keepable gains,,,maybe thats why a few do not like it.
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what kind of t3 protcol works best for you? how long after your last dose till you have a normal metabolism again?
the one time i tried t3, i put on some fat in the first week after i discontinued using it. this might have been due to the munchies, but i still think the depressed thyroid probably played a [part. lol.
Heard in order to work you have to use a BUNCH. Not this 50-100 per day. like 150-175
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Heard in order to work you have to use a BUNCH. Not this 50-100 per day. like 150-175
Lower doses are used to improve anabolism and lean gains. Higher doses are better for fat loss.
The average person's Thyroid bounces back within a few days. If you have been on for 6+ months it's typically only a little longer.
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Deca worthless? LOL, Deca is a very anabolic gear. Now I did not research the science for this statement but the way it is structured makes it unique from other gears. If I remember this gives it different properties and it can be very effective for a long while.
IME this drug really helps me to put on size and train like an animal. I feel it is very synergistic with test. It seems to cause a bit of water retention for me so its an offseason "bulk" gear for me but I'm sure with the right diet you could be lean on it. Also agree that EQ is weak comared to deca, maybe on paper they look similar but in effect no comparison IMO
I think Overload's cycle he mentioned of Test, Deca and d-bol is a fantastic gaining cycle and would have someone making huge gains if taken in the proper dosage. which IMO is
Test 1000mg EW
Deca 600mg EW
D-bol 50mg ED
If your gear is real and you cant gain on this cycle you never will.
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I think Overload's cycle he mentioned of Test, Deca and d-bol is a fantastic gaining cycle and would have someone making huge gains if taken in the proper dosage. which IMO is
Test 1000mg EW
Deca 600mg EW
D-bol 50mg ED
If your gear is real and you cant gain on this cycle you never will.
That was always my bread and butter right there!
Good memories!
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I don't understand how or why someone could consider Deca worthless.
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I ran Deca alone several times when I was in my 20's and never had sides other than water retention. No problems with the sex drive.
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I don't understand how or why someone could consider Deca worthless.
The "someone" has never used it.
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Lower doses are used to improve anabolism and lean gains. Higher doses are better for fat loss.
The average person's Thyroid bounces back within a few days. If you have been on for 6+ months it's typically only a little longer.
Absolutely correct abc! 25mcg ed will afford you nice lean gains on deca. 37.5 is all you would need tops for lean gains. I would also speculate that lean gains are also determined by natural metabolism, and thyroid function.
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The only thing I don't like about Deca is that I can get out of breath walking up stairs while on it.
Its ok, breathing is overated anyway ;)
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The only thing I don't like about Deca is that I can get out of breath walking up stairs while on it.
Its ok, breathing is overated anyway ;)
Yeah I agree I would give up breathing to be huge! ;D
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Well, maybe a breath here and there so I dont look like a big red balloon!
To say deca is worthless is a pretty bold statement. Too many UG products have given proven, quality compounds a bad name. I think deca is a must for anyone looking to add a lot of size, power, tendon relief, etc. But then again, Iam old ;).
Test and Deca cycles have been used for millions of years with great success by the masses (ok, maybe not a million)
Busy approves! Actually, looking forward to starting it up again in 3 weeks! Time to grow kids!!
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Well, maybe a breath here and there so I dont look like a big red balloon!
To say deca is worthless is a pretty bold statement. Too many UG products have given proven, quality compounds a bad name. I think deca is a must for anyone looking to add a lot of size, power, tendon relief, etc. But then again, Iam old ;).
Test and Deca cycles have been used for millions of years with great success by the masses (ok, maybe not a million)
Busy approves! Actually, looking forward to starting it up again in 3 weeks! Time to grow kids!!
Yup!
If you don't grow off Test/Deca...you aren't human!
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thanks for the replies, people on other boards were trying to tell me just to do test only 500. i can only see positive aspects if i added 300 deca to this as well. be a solid second cycle...
just not sure whether do jumpstart this with 50 winny x 3 weeks, or 25 anadrol x 3 weeks...
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thanks for the replies, people on other boards were trying to tell me just to do test only 500. i can only see positive aspects if i added 300 deca to this as well. be a solid second cycle...
just not sure whether do jumpstart this with 50 winny x 3 weeks, or 25 anadrol x 3 weeks...
anadrol will kick the shit out of winstrol
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yeah, but as someone who is "paranoid" about sides....
but maybe 50 winny would be safer? just for 3 weeks or so...
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Anadrol is not that bad at 50mg a day.
Dbol would be better IMO if you don't want side.
I'm not a fan of winny, unless you are prepping for a show.
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but i cannot get dbol from my hrt clinic....
i would if i could though.
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but i cannot get dbol from my hrt clinic....
i would if i could though.
How did you get Deca from a clinic?
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most HRT clinics carry deca!
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How did you get Deca from a clinic?
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As 4TH said, most clinics offer deca as well as drol and winny.
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I understand that...
i was wanting to know how and why he got a script for deca.
Every person i have ever met only got a script for test.
What circumstances would they give a person test AND deca?
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I understand that...
i was wanting to know how and why he got a script for deca.
Every person i have ever met only got a script for test.
What circumstances would they give a person test AND deca?
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Deca is typically prescribed as a joint supplement, in low doses 100-200mg/week for joint support. It's pretty expensive though.
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I understand that...
i was wanting to know how and why he got a script for deca.
Every person i have ever met only got a script for test.
What circumstances would they give a person test AND deca?
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Two reasons. First, for joints. Second, it's easier for the doc to justify adding some more anabolics to help sex drive, etc. than it is to add more mgs of testosterone. At least that's what my doc told me.
Also, I know someone personally who gets Test, Deca and Winstol at the same time at reasonable high dosages. ;)
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Noted!
and this is from LEGIT clinics, or the "under the table" clinics?
My wrist is fucking wrecked and my knee hurts, i think i need to see a Doc! ;D
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Noted!
and this is from LEGIT clinics, or the "under the table" clinics?
My wrist is fucking wrecked and my knee hurts, i think i need to see a Doc! ;D
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Legit clinics, but expensive. However, my insurance covers 90% of it since I was diagnosed with hypogonadism.
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Legit clinics, but expensive. However, my insurance covers 90% of it since I was diagnosed with hypogonadism.
Cool...
Thanks!
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Doctors have the ability to prescribe reasonable agressive dosages, but they are usually scared shitless that the government will come after them. It's really sad.
Also, you have to edcuate them a bit... Once I explained the reasoning for switching to Prop for a few weeks at the end of a cycle, before PCT, my doc had no problem adding a couple of 10 cc vials into my order/prescription to extend the cycle a few weeks.
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yeah, my elbows really hurt a lot... ;)
very pricey though, but worth it though.... PM me if you want more info....
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Two reasons. First, for joints. Second, it's easier for the doc to justify adding some more anabolics to help sex drive, etc. than it is to add more mgs of testosterone. At least that's what my doc told me.
Also, I know someone personally who gets Test, Deca and Winstol at the same time at reasonable high dosages. ;)
They get Winstrol from a doctor? I thought Winstrol was a veterinary drug, did not think it was approved for human use? Maybe the dr's name is Mr. Ed?
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winny is FDA approved for a condition called "angioedema" its actually the treatment of choice!
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They get Winstrol from a doctor? I thought Winstrol was a veterinary drug, did not think it was approved for human use? Maybe the dr's name is Mr. Ed?
It's stanozolol, not Winstol. I was just using the more familiar term. Stanozolol is FDA approved for human use.
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It's stanozolol, not Winstol. I was just using the more familiar term. Stanozolol is FDA approved for human use.
Well they are the same thing. did not know it was prescribed to humans, learn something new every day
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Noted!
and this is from LEGIT clinics, or the "under the table" clinics?
My wrist is fucking wrecked and my knee hurts, i think i need to see a Doc! ;D
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A couple of the clinics here, the blood work is just a formality.
The news actually did an undercover segment on one clinic and when the guy went in for his consult, the doc basically asked what he wanted. Told him what they carry and that he would benifit from all of it! Gh, Test, deca, whatever they carried.
But their prices are outrageous. I know a couple guys going there because times are tough. Insurance does not cover deca for them so they are paying $200 for a 10ml/100mg bottle.
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many people on other sites complain that deca is worthless. its overpriced, has its sides, and produces little gains... one must stay on it for 12-16 weeks just to notice anything...
anyone here have an opinion?
i can get test 500 x 12 weeks for the same price as a bottle of deca 300...
Many people on other sites are idiots, remember SSB? ;D
Deca is one of the best anabolics ever!
As long as you can handle the long half-life and possible supression, you'll be OK.
DIV
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Many people on other sites are idiots, remember SSB? ;D
Deca is one of the best anabolics ever!
As long as you can handle the long half-life and possible supression, you'll be OK.
DIV
Plus, who knows whether they are taking real Deca. It's probably some low dose UG testosterone. So, they think it sucks.
Deca rocks.
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Plus, who knows whether they are taking real Deca. It's probably some low dose UG testosterone. So, they think it sucks.
Deca rocks.
Exactly. Deca is probably the most widely faked steroid around, it's been consistently faked ever since the 70's.