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Boxer's Parents: 'No Fat to Burn'
Too Much Weightlifting May Have Contributed to Russell's Collapse
BEIJING, Aug. 9 -- The parents of disqualified Capitol Heights boxer Gary Russell Jr. criticized the organization that runs the national team and its coach, Dan Campbell, on Saturday, saying USA Boxing's emphasis on weightlifting left their son too muscle-bound for his 119-pound weight class. They said this made it difficult for him to cut even minor amounts of weight before a fight.
"I told him not to lift," said Gary Russell Sr., the father and coach of Gary Jr., as he and his wife left a women's volleyball game Saturday night. "That's not the type of thing he should be doing. That's bulk lifting that they had him doing there."
Gary Sr. has clashed with Campbell in the past and has been one of the most vocal critics of USA Boxing's residential program, an experiment that required the Olympic fighters to live for a year at the U.S. Olympic Committee's headquarters in Colorado Springs. Many of the boxers' individual coaches have complained about the program, saying it takes the fighters away from the people who have trained them for years.
The Russells' frustration began to boil over Saturday, a day after their son collapsed while trying to lose a pound and four ounces before a mandatory 7 a.m. weigh-in.
Gary Jr., who was revived by doctors, was suffering from a form of dehydration. After taking in three pounds of fluids to recover, he had no chance of making weight, disqualifying him from the Olympics.
In recent months, Gary Sr. has worried aloud that the weight program in Colorado Springs was not appropriate because boxers must make regular weight requirements. Excess muscle mass makes it difficult to cut fat from the body.
"With Gary, there was no fat to burn," said his mother, Lawan. She said her son had recently come home from Colorado looking like a professional weightlifter with hulking arms and an iron grip. She became so concerned about her son's size that she told her husband he needed to go to Colorado Springs to oversee Gary Jr.'s training. "That's exactly what they've been telling him, that he needs to lift and be a powerlifter," she said.
Both Russells were angry at perceptions that their son was either lazy or had somehow let himself get too fat before the weigh-in. Rather, they said his collapse -- which came after he was unable to sweat during a half-hour run and a 10-minute workout while wearing a vinyl sauna jacket -- was probably a problem waiting to happen. They believe that because USA Boxing's training program left him with no fat to remove, the only way he could cut weight was by drinking fewer fluids, putting him at risk for something like Friday's incident.
"Losing a pound was normal to him, but because of the bulk-lifting stuff, he had so many muscles, so guess what didn't come off," Gary Sr. said. "It's not him losing on the scale. There's really more to it than that."
Campbell told reporters Friday that Gary Jr. had difficulty sweating in workouts last week, a fact that concerned the coaches as a possible sign of dehydration. On Saturday, Campbell said he was done talking about Russell and has ordered the team not to speak on the issue, even pulling assistant coach Robert Martin, who works with the Russells, away from an interview on the subject.
Gary Jr. said Saturday that he did not have a problem perspiring during the week before his collapse.
"Everything felt natural and normal," he said, adding that his routine for trying to burn off weight was the same one he has used for years.
Said Gary Sr.: "I'm sure in my emotions I would like to find someone to be a scapegoat. I'm going to be real and not put the blame on Dan Campbell. I always thought the residential program would be good if the personal coaches would be more involved."
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hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha
i smell bullshit. too much muscle? give me a break.
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when our wrestling team in middle school wanted people to get into different weight classes, we had to either gain or lose water. some kids couldn't eat much at all for a whole day in hopes that it would cut their weight. it's a brutal thing to do, if a kid's in a weight category sport like boxing or wrestling that from sometimes even elementary school through to college, they train to be as muscular as possible and to only have water weight to lose. Thats why i didn't continue wrestling after middle school, too many stories of people who's growth was stunted because of the horrible rigidity of weight classes.
summary: inhumane to dehydrate people to lower their weights
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when our wrestling team in middle school wanted people to get into different weight classes, we had to either gain or lose water. some kids couldn't eat much at all for a whole day in hopes that it would cut their weight. it's a brutal thing to do, if a kid's in a weight category sport like boxing or wrestling that from sometimes even elementary school through to college, they train to be as muscular as possible and to only have water weight to lose. Thats why i didn't continue wrestling after middle school, too many stories of people who's growth was stunted because of the horrible rigidity of weight classes.
summary: inhumane to dehydrate people to lower their weights
sounds to me like you quit because you are a pussy
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Pics or ban.
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Pics or ban.
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when our wrestling team in middle school wanted people to get into different weight classes, we had to either gain or lose water. some kids couldn't eat much at all for a whole day in hopes that it would cut their weight. it's a brutal thing to do, if a kid's in a weight category sport like boxing or wrestling that from sometimes even elementary school through to college, they train to be as muscular as possible and to only have water weight to lose. Thats why i didn't continue wrestling after middle school, too many stories of people who's growth was stunted because of the horrible rigidity of weight classes.
summary: inhumane to dehydrate people to lower their weights
it's tough.... any sport where you have to worry about your weight all day everyday, wrestiling, bodybuilding, fighting, what ev... its constant mental stress... :(
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Yes, definitely too much muscle (monster on the right)
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The funny thing is that those guys have more athletic talent in their little finger than a top bodybuilder does.
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The funny thing is that those guys have more athletic talent in their little finger than a top bodybuilder does.
but a monster lack of brain mass, with a large Ethiopian cranium
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The funny thing is that those guys have more athletic talent in their little finger than a top bodybuilder does.
Ide like to see those twinks try to do this.
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Too musch muscle on a 119 pounder?! Now THAT's Funny.
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Ide like to see those twinks try to do this.
That isn't athletic talent, that's all drugs...
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I love being too muscular ;D
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Yes, definitely too much muscle (monster on the right)
BEAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hahahaahahaaa, brutal 12 inch arms, epic 13 inch neck and monstruous 8 inch forearms!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
(http://www.usaboxingofficials.org/images/Tournaments/Olympics/TTBO08/2008Olympians/0006.jpg)
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Same thing happened to our Olympic boxing hope, Frankie Gavin. He was being helped by "nutritionist" and strength coach Kerry Keyes, and failed to make the 60kg weight limit. ::)
Bodybuilding "nutritionists" = bag of shite.
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evander holyfield was trained by lee haney to move up a weight class
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Hahahaahahaaa, brutal 12 inch arms, epic 13 inch neck and monstruous 8 inch forearms!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
(http://www.usaboxingofficials.org/images/Tournaments/Olympics/TTBO08/2008Olympians/0006.jpg)
And he would knock you out and make you look funny in less than a minute. So what does that say for you. hahahaha
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Well, remember he has to make a certain weight
If his bodyfat is already very low and he needs to lose 20lbs than he may need to burn up muscle mass.
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1000's of fighters make weight 1000's of time every night to fight. The kid is obviously soft aka a bum.
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sounds to me like you quit because you are a pussy
1000's of fighters make weight 1000's of time every night to fight. The kid is obviously soft aka a bum.
if being a pussy or being soft means to be reasonable about the strain that you put on your body, than i guess a lot of people are pussies. i've met several guys who do not advocate weight class athletics because they developed health problems because they had to make weight. the best weight training advice i got, is when i heard Lee Priest say that if he wasn't feeling good about a set of exercises or a body part, than he would wait to train them or use a different exercise. A lot of so called "non-pussies" such as dorian yates trained too much and tore his tricep 4 weeks out from the olympia. Many pro bodybuilders of the past trained so hard that they cant even use free weights anymore. your call.
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Looking like that and having to cut 20 pounds?
'For what fucking weightclass? lol
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I can see from the pics what they mean.
This guy is carrying far too much muscle. As his mother said: "...he looks like a professional weightlifter..." .
They must stop doing this to the poor kids, they look like freaks, too much unnatural mass, huge.
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if being a pussy or being soft means to be reasonable about the strain that you put on your body, than i guess a lot of people are pussies. i've met several guys who do not advocate weight class athletics because they developed health problems because they had to make weight. the best weight training advice i got, is when i heard Lee Priest say that if he wasn't feeling good about a set of exercises or a body part, than he would wait to train them or use a different exercise. A lot of so called "non-pussies" such as dorian yates trained too much and tore his tricep 4 weeks out from the olympia. Many pro bodybuilders of the past trained so hard that they cant even use free weights anymore. your call.
waaaaaaaah waaaaaaaaah do you type on getbig with a binkie in your hand?
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waaaaaaaah waaaaaaaaah do you type on getbig with a binkie in your hand?
he is trying to justify the reason why his balls have not dropped yet
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waaaaaaaah waaaaaaaaah do you type on getbig with a binkie in your hand?
did you try to make a "cool" name for yourself by changing a hockey team's nickname because you're an idiot or what? so they overtrained the kid, thats what happened, it's unreasonable but non-debatable. if you can't deal with the fact that you're wrong, go talk to Nasser. Better yet, become better at lying, go ask the dying Ted Kennedy or OJ how they beat murder charges. Next time i want to get advice from someone who can't face the facts, i would talk to Lou Ferrigno about the Olympia.
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he is trying to justify the reason why his balls have not dropped yet
mr. tag along here.
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did you try to make a "cool" name for yourself by changing a hockey team's nickname because you're an idiot or what? so they overtrained the kid, thats what happened, it's unreasonable but non-debatable. if you can't deal with the fact that you're wrong, go talk to Nasser. Better yet, become better at lying, go ask the dying Ted Kennedy or OJ how they beat murder charges. Next time i want to get advice from someone who can't face the facts, i would talk to Lou Ferrigno about the Olympia.
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