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The controversy of controversies.
The 1980 Mr Olympia contest staged in Sydney, Australia, remains by far the most controversial in the event's history. The contention centers on the participation of Arnold Schwarzenegger, who had announced his retirement from competition in 1975 after winning six consecutive Mr. Olympia titles.
Seemingly only in Sydney to do commentary for CBS TV , Arnold stunned the bodybuilding world on the eve of the contest by declaring that he was returning to competition in pursuit of a seventh title.
Two days before the contest, Mike had that same " death's door feeling " which again confined him to bed for a whole day. By the morning of the contest, though, he had fully recovered. He was 225 pounds and more cut than he'd ever been. " I looked my best , but I didn't feel at my best. It just didn't feel like a normal contest; no one was being their usual selves. There was a strain and tension in the air all the way though."
WHO TERMINATED WHOM!
That strain and tension came to an electrifying climax at the competitors meeting held the morning of the contest. Fifteen of the 16 athletes had signed a petition asking that the two weight classes be abolished and that the Olympia should be contested as one open class. The one athlete not in agreement was Arnold Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Whatever the rights & wrongs , facts and misconceptions , theories and myths surrounded the 1980 Me. Olympia contest , in the interests of this narrative, it's important to understand that Mike Mentzer felt he was cheated in Sydney, and that sinister machinations were afoot. His belief is that certain forces , fueled by ignorance and sycophancy, combined to thrust an undeserving Arnold to first place and relegate him - perceived as owning the best physique in the contest - " ridiculous " fifth place.
This is how Mike recalls that fateful day. " There were maybe 50 people at the competitors meeting and as usual, Arnold wanted to be the center of attention. In every situation, he tries to be the standout, and on this occasion, he was the only athlete of the 16 in the contest who wanted to keep the two weight classes. " He said something to denigrate Samir Bannout that I thought was uncalled for. I passed on that, feeling Samir should have defended himself. As the debate progressed, there was a lot of arguing between Arnold and some of the guys. I wasn't really concerned one way or the other - I thought I could win anyway. Then Boyer Coe stood up and , as the gentlemen he is , said , " Why don't we let Arnold explain to us right here and now his exact reasons for wanted to have two weight classes? "
" Arnold barked , ' Boyer, lets talk like adults here. ' That really irked me , because Boyer made his plea with no hint of malice. In addition, this was the IFBB's event, but here was this big Prussian son of a bitch standing there acting like a Nazi and trying to walk all over us. " For some reason , that question pissed him off. He seemed like a guy out of control as he turned to face me, his upper lip curled around like a snarling animal. We were debating the issue of weight classes, but Arnold choose to snap at me. ' Mike Mentzer, we all know Zane beat you last year because you have a big stomach! '
" I was seated 20 feet away from Arnold, who was standing holding court, and I perhaps allowed that comment to irritate me too much, as on impulse, I bolted toward him. As I approached him, I decided I wouldn't hit him, but nevertheless I was surprised when Arnold sat down: I scared him! He sat as I continued to berate him. Wagging my finger at him, I told him, ' Look, Arnold, Boyer Coe said what he did as a gentlemen- he didn't deserve that response. You're the one who's acting like a baby,literally! ' Armold couldn't look me in the eye. He went from being a frantic hysterical adolescent to shrinking away like an injured child. "
Not for the first time in the history of bodybuilding, Joe Weider stepped in and defused the situation. He advised Arnold to accept the voices of the other 15. The debate ended as Arnold proclaimed, " I withdraw my objection. "
DECISION DOWN UNDER
" Throughout that meeting, Arnold had on a tight-knit weather that made him look skinny. I was curious to see what he looked like once he stripped down. When he did, I remember looking at him and thinking, Not only and I going to win this contest, but I'm going to beat Arnold Schwarzenegger as well!
" When I was called fifth, I was totally shocked. It was just a ridiculous placing, made more ridiculous by an out-of-shape Arnold winning. As for the other who finished ahead of me, I knew Frank Zane [ third ], due to an accident he had sustained four months earlier, wasn't as good as he had been the previous year. I mist say that Chris Dickerson [ second ] and Boyer Coe [ fourth ] were in phenomenal shape, particularly Chris. I felt he and I were the ones in absolute peak condition, and we should have been top two.
" The majority of observers at the 1980 Mr. Olympia, with the exception of the judging panel, didn't have Arnold in the top five. The crowd booed Arnold at the contest's conclusion, and there were a number of things that took place during the prejudging that perhaps should have provided an indication that as was not as it should have bee.
" Several of the judges were close friends of Arnold. Boyer Coe told me afterwards that he saw Reg Park, one of the judges, actually coaching Arnold from the official's table. In contrast, Bill Pearl had honorably removed himself from the judging panel, as he had spent some time training with Chris Dickerson.
" At times, the contest was like a circus. We had Franco Columbu- one of Arnold's weak-willed namby-pamy lackeys - coming onstage with a towel, a comb and oil, to go through a little act with Arnold at the expense of everybody else. I could quote other anomalies, but possibly the most pertinent is that CBS Sports flew half away around the world to tape the event and then never televised it. The word was that they were convinced it was a fix. " The record may show Arnold Schwarzenegger as the 1980 Mr. Olympia champion, but he wasn't the best bodybuilder onstage that day - not by a mile. "
In the immediate aftermath of the contest, several top names stated they would never compete again. They would later reverse their decisions and return to the contest dais. But even as he was announced fifth, Mike knew he would never compete again: " There was no way I was going to put myself though the same tortuous process again for a similar reward. At no point since 1980 have I been even sligthtly tempted to consider the possibility of competing. I don'tmiss it. "
Of all of its repercussions, it is difficult not to nominate Mike's premature retirement at 29 as being the major consequence of the 1980 Mr. Olympia contest. It effectively denied the sport of a view of the physique he could have built in future years.
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unfortunately Mike let the outcome of the 1980 Mr Olympia effect the rest of his life and his happiness level
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Does anybody think MM would have been any better than the 1980 Olympia? He peaked.
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Some people look for excuses to self destruct...had it not happened at the 1980 Olympia, it would have happened shortly thereafter.
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unfortunately Mike let the outcome of the 1980 Mr Olympia effect the rest of his life and his happiness level
Some people look for excuses to self destruct...had it not happened at the 1980 Olympia, it would have happened shortly thereafter.
exactly
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Mike Mentzer, we all know Zane beat you last year because you have a big stomach! '
Funny line....I can see Arnold saying that and then running for cover from Mike 8)
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what a cluster that contest was
they let an out of shape has been with chicken legs win a contest mentzer should have won
i hope in nassers upcoming tell all book he can describe the behind the scenes happenings of when an out of shape yates stole the crown from him
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" I was seated 20 feet away from Arnold, who was standing holding court, and I perhaps allowed that comment to irritate me too much, as on impulse, I bolted toward him. As I approached him, I decided I wouldn't hit him, but nevertheless I was surprised when Arnold sat down: I scared him! He sat as I continued to berate him. Wagging my finger at him, I told him, ' Look, Arnold, Boyer Coe said what he did as a gentlemen- he didn't deserve that response. You're the one who's acting like a baby,literally! ' Armold couldn't look me in the eye. He went from being a frantic hysterical adolescent to shrinking away like an injured child. "
So, is this the story that goes with the picture everyone's always posting of arnold in a chair and Mentzer pointing at him?
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" I was seated 20 feet away from Arnold, who was standing holding court, and I perhaps allowed that comment to irritate me too much, as on impulse, I bolted toward him. As I approached him, I decided I wouldn't hit him, but nevertheless I was surprised when Arnold sat down: I scared him! He sat as I continued to berate him. Wagging my finger at him, I told him, ' Look, Arnold, Boyer Coe said what he did as a gentlemen- he didn't deserve that response. You're the one who's acting like a baby,literally! ' Armold couldn't look me in the eye. He went from being a frantic hysterical adolescent to shrinking away like an injured child. "
So, is this the story that goes with the picture everyone's always posting of arnold in a chair and Mentzer pointing at him?
:)
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Mike Mentzer, we all know Zane beat you last year because you have a big stomach! '
Funny line....I can see Arnold saying that and then running for cover from Mike 8)
Exactly. Arnold backed down when MM approached him, not even meeting his eyes with his own -Paper Tiger
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Exactly. Arnold backed down when MM approached him, not even meeting his eyes with his own -Paper Tiger
yep not lookin him in the eyes the second that pic was taken....i cant imagine arnold being scared enough to avoid eye contact ............. ;)
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yep not lookin him in the eyes the second that pic was taken....i cant imagine arnold being scared enough to avoid eye contact ............. ;)
Ken Waller was there to protect Arnold, and make no doubt about it, he would clean Mike's clock.
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the point of Arnold's talking about Mentzer and then sitting down was to make Mentzer look like the agressor and make a fool of himself, Arnold sat down putting Mentzer in the superior position. Mentzer looked like a fool and should have focused on the contest ahead. He took the bait and let Arnold get into his head...the result...humiliation. The last time he felt like that, Szalak beat him. He had image problems...they contributed to his demise.
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the point of Arnold's talking about Mentzer and then sitting down was to make Mentzer look like the agressor and make a fool of himself, Arnold sat down putting Mentzer in the superior position. Mentzer looked like a fool and should have focused on the contest ahead. He took the bait and let Arnold get into his head...the result...humiliation. The last time he felt like that, Szalak beat him. He had image problems...they contributed to his demise.
yes, that was Arnold's plan....and make no doubt about it, it worked because the judges were in his pocket :D
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The controversy of controversies.
The 1980 Mr Olympia contest staged in Sydney, Australia, remains by far the most controversial in the event's history. The contention centers on the participation of Arnold Schwarzenegger, who had announced his retirement from competition in 1975 after winning six consecutive Mr. Olympia titles.
Seemingly only in Sydney to do commentary for CBS TV , Arnold stunned the bodybuilding world on the eve of the contest by declaring that he was returning to competition in pursuit of a seventh title.
Two days before the contest, Mike had that same " death's door feeling " which again confined him to bed for a whole day. By the morning of the contest, though, he had fully recovered. He was 225 pounds and more cut than he'd ever been. " I looked my best , but I didn't feel at my best. It just didn't feel like a normal contest; no one was being their usual selves. There was a strain and tension in the air all the way though."
WHO TERMINATED WHOM!
That strain and tension came to an electrifying climax at the competitors meeting held the morning of the contest. Fifteen of the 16 athletes had signed a petition asking that the two weight classes be abolished and that the Olympia should be contested as one open class. The one athlete not in agreement was Arnold Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Whatever the rights & wrongs , facts and misconceptions , theories and myths surrounded the 1980 Me. Olympia contest , in the interests of this narrative, it's important to understand that Mike Mentzer felt he was cheated in Sydney, and that sinister machinations were afoot. His belief is that certain forces , fueled by ignorance and sycophancy, combined to thrust an undeserving Arnold to first place and relegate him - perceived as owning the best physique in the contest - " ridiculous " fifth place.
This is how Mike recalls that fateful day. " There were maybe 50 people at the competitors meeting and as usual, Arnold wanted to be the center of attention. In every situation, he tries to be the standout, and on this occasion, he was the only athlete of the 16 in the contest who wanted to keep the two weight classes. " He said something to denigrate Samir Bannout that I thought was uncalled for. I passed on that, feeling Samir should have defended himself. As the debate progressed, there was a lot of arguing between Arnold and some of the guys. I wasn't really concerned one way or the other - I thought I could win anyway. Then Boyer Coe stood up and , as the gentlemen he is , said , " Why don't we let Arnold explain to us right here and now his exact reasons for wanted to have two weight classes? "
" Arnold barked , ' Boyer, lets talk like adults here. ' That really irked me , because Boyer made his plea with no hint of malice. In addition, this was the IFBB's event, but here was this big Prussian son of a bitch standing there acting like a Nazi and trying to walk all over us. " For some reason , that question pissed him off. He seemed like a guy out of control as he turned to face me, his upper lip curled around like a snarling animal. We were debating the issue of weight classes, but Arnold choose to snap at me. ' Mike Mentzer, we all know Zane beat you last year because you have a big stomach! '
" I was seated 20 feet away from Arnold, who was standing holding court, and I perhaps allowed that comment to irritate me too much, as on impulse, I bolted toward him. As I approached him, I decided I wouldn't hit him, but nevertheless I was surprised when Arnold sat down: I scared him! He sat as I continued to berate him. Wagging my finger at him, I told him, ' Look, Arnold, Boyer Coe said what he did as a gentlemen- he didn't deserve that response. You're the one who's acting like a baby,literally! ' Armold couldn't look me in the eye. He went from being a frantic hysterical adolescent to shrinking away like an injured child. "
Not for the first time in the history of bodybuilding, Joe Weider stepped in and defused the situation. He advised Arnold to accept the voices of the other 15. The debate ended as Arnold proclaimed, " I withdraw my objection. "
DECISION DOWN UNDER
" Throughout that meeting, Arnold had on a tight-knit weather that made him look skinny. I was curious to see what he looked like once he stripped down. When he did, I remember looking at him and thinking, Not only and I going to win this contest, but I'm going to beat Arnold Schwarzenegger as well!
" When I was called fifth, I was totally shocked. It was just a ridiculous placing, made more ridiculous by an out-of-shape Arnold winning. As for the other who finished ahead of me, I knew Frank Zane [ third ], due to an accident he had sustained four months earlier, wasn't as good as he had been the previous year. I mist say that Chris Dickerson [ second ] and Boyer Coe [ fourth ] were in phenomenal shape, particularly Chris. I felt he and I were the ones in absolute peak condition, and we should have been top two.
" The majority of observers at the 1980 Mr. Olympia, with the exception of the judging panel, didn't have Arnold in the top five. The crowd booed Arnold at the contest's conclusion, and there were a number of things that took place during the prejudging that perhaps should have provided an indication that as was not as it should have bee.
" Several of the judges were close friends of Arnold. Boyer Coe told me afterwards that he saw Reg Park, one of the judges, actually coaching Arnold from the official's table. In contrast, Bill Pearl had honorably removed himself from the judging panel, as he had spent some time training with Chris Dickerson.
" At times, the contest was like a circus. We had Franco Columbu- one of Arnold's weak-willed namby-pamy lackeys - coming onstage with a towel, a comb and oil, to go through a little act with Arnold at the expense of everybody else. I could quote other anomalies, but possibly the most pertinent is that CBS Sports flew half away around the world to tape the event and then never televised it. The word was that they were convinced it was a fix. " The record may show Arnold Schwarzenegger as the 1980 Mr. Olympia champion, but he wasn't the best bodybuilder onstage that day - not by a mile. "
In the immediate aftermath of the contest, several top names stated they would never compete again. They would later reverse their decisions and return to the contest dais. But even as he was announced fifth, Mike knew he would never compete again: " There was no way I was going to put myself though the same tortuous process again for a similar reward. At no point since 1980 have I been even sligthtly tempted to consider the possibility of competing. I don'tmiss it. "
Of all of its repercussions, it is difficult not to nominate Mike's premature retirement at 29 as being the major consequence of the 1980 Mr. Olympia contest. It effectively denied the sport of a view of the physique he could have built in future years.
Is this meltdown still justified after 28 years ???
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Although Mentzer was extremely intelligent, Arnold is a man who knows how to get what he wants. Although Mentzer may have had a higher IQ (and this is debatable since we don't have any proof of either's IQ score) or at least conducted himself as an intellectual, Arnold knew how to achieve a desired result. Arnold is a performer, manipulator, entertainer and an excellent speaker. People are just drawn to him...as much of a gift as a high IQ.
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the point of Arnold's talking about Mentzer and then sitting down was to make Mentzer look like the agressor and make a fool of himself, Arnold sat down putting Mentzer in the superior position. Mentzer looked like a fool and should have focused on the contest ahead. He took the bait and let Arnold get into his head...the result...humiliation. The last time he felt like that, Szalak beat him. He had image problems...they contributed to his demise.
as I predicted you would come to this thread under the name of, "oldman" and say that...damn im intelligent..... ::)
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Never 100 percent understood how Mentzer could just walk away from competing like that. He said that he never missed it, but ya gotta wonder if he ever thought of coming back.
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Well, he never really walked away from the business. Only the competion itself. I think Mike was highly overated. Then again, so was Zane and many of the competitors from that era. I still say Bertil Fox should have placed SOOOOOOO much higher in the early 80's (the man weighed 260 pounds offseason). As well as Robby Robinson, Casey Viator and Tom Platz.
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Well, he never really walked away from the business. Only the competion itself. I think Mike was highly overated. Then again, so was Zane and many of the competitors from that era. I still say Bertil Fox should have placed SOOOOOOO much higher in the early 90's. As well as Robby Robinson and Tom Platz.
Agreed
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Agreed
Why do you think guys with size: a la Viator, Fox, Platz didn't place better back then? Why were the judges scared of size?
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Mentzer looked like a fool and should have focused on the contest ahead. He took the bait and let Arnold get into his head...the result...humiliation.
I think you're guessing there, or would like to believe that.
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Is this meltdown still justified after 28 years ???
lol another exciting ND thread recycling anything to do with her white BB heroes. :-X
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Why do you think guys with size: a la Viator, Fox, Platz didn't place better back then? Why were the judges scared of size?
Mentzer was not liked by Weider because he knocked the "Weider System" of training. ::) That is a fact. Platz lost in 1981 cause it was fixed for Franco to win and after the bicep tear Tom never really came in ripped again. Casey was another guy who liked to claim that less sets was better than the Weider System. I'm not 100% sure about Bertil, but he did have a tendency to come in pretty thin compared to how he looked say 4 weeks out, but even so should have placed a lot higher and maybe even won a couple of shows.
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lol another exciting ND thread recycling anything to do with her white BB heroes. :-X
Another thread you can't stick to the topic of ;) see fail for trying to hijack yet another thread .....anyway
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Although Mentzer was extremely intelligent, Arnold is a man who knows how to get what he wants. Although Mentzer may have had a higher IQ (and this is debatable since we don't have any proof of either's IQ score) or at least conducted himself as an intellectual, Arnold knew how to achieve a desired result. Arnold is a performer, manipulator, entertainer and an excellent speaker. People are just drawn to him...as much of a gift as a high IQ.
Yes, and having Joe and Ben bankroll your career in THEIR organization had nothing to do with Arnold's success, it was all Arnold.
BTW-Arnold was just as intelligent, much more so actually, than Mentzer ever was.
Mentzer was an Arthur Jones type huckster-making wild speculative claims with no support to back them up whatsoever.
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the point of Arnold's talking about Mentzer and then sitting down was to make Mentzer look like the agressor and make a fool of himself, Arnold sat down putting Mentzer in the superior position. Mentzer looked like a fool and should have focused on the contest ahead. He took the bait and let Arnold get into his head...the result...humiliation. The last time he felt like that, Szalak beat him. He had image problems...they contributed to his demise.
Zane himself told me stories that supported that Arnold would not be so bold without a 'posse' around.
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Zane himself told me stories that supported that Arnold would not be so bold without a 'posse' around.
i heard something like that on PBBW
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How many of you were bodybuilders before Arnold, he made bodybuilding a popular sport. No bodybuilder is as successful as he is, we are still arguing about him here.
Mentzer had a poor self image, all Arnold had to do was plant that seed in his mind. A real competitor would have come back the next year and demolished the competition. Instead Mentzer became a has been...like many others.
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I find it funny and extremely pathetic that the two main HIT proponents (Mike and Arthur Jones) liked to go around claiming that they threatened Arnold with physical violence and he backed down. It's the only little victory they could get over the most visible advocate of volume training, how else could these insecure fucks feel superior to the most succesful bodybuilder of all time.
Mentzer and Arthur Jones had no significant success in life at all except for espousing lifting lumps of iron less than someone else might lift them, that's it! Hardly a fucking accomplishment.
A lot of people want to make out that there was this big rivalry between them but Mike wasn't even a blip on Arnolds radar, Arnold was just too successful, maybe Arnold could have been said to have had a rivalry during is competitive heyday with Sergio Oliva and Sylvester Stallone at the box-office, but Mike Mentzer? Hardly.
What did Mike ever achieve? They only met on stage once and then Mike talked shit about Arnold over and over to every 3rd tier magazine that would listen to him until the day he died, that's it just one small mans inability to move on in his life, talk about a storm in a teacup.
Samir Bannout finished 15th at the 1980 Olympia and 9th at the 1981 Olympia but then won the show in 1983, he didn't freak out because of bad placings but worked hard and reaped the rewards. Was 5th place such a slap in the face for Mentzer that quitting and grousing about it for the rest of his life the only answer? What a fucking loser.
Here's a website that has pictures of the contest in everyone Arnold is superior to Mentzer http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia.html
Arnold at 80% of his best was still more than enough, and isn't it great that his completely wrong training methods still allowed him to easily outmass Mentzer in the few weeks that Arnold had to prepare. Awesome, simply awesome. Arnold at 6'2 dwarfed the delusional 5'8 Mentzer at every turn.
(http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia/027.jpg)
(http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia/036.jpg)
You can't argue with actual photographic evidence which is the only unbiased source from that time although people like Moosejay would rather take the second hand word of an embittered old has been....... no that's wrong Mike's a 'never was' who couldn't get over his loss. Photo's don't lie so check the website and see for yourself http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia.html Mike was lucky to get 5th.
(http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia/058.jpg)
(http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia/057.jpg)
Once again compare their back double biceps Arnold is so far beyond Mentzer it's just not funny.
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Arnold would not be so bold without a 'posse' around.
I love Arnold, but I tend to believe that.
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I find it funny and extremely pathetic that the two main HIT proponents (Mike and Arthur Jones) liked to go around claiming that they threatened Arnold with physical violence and he backed down. It's the only little victory they could get over the most visible advocate of volume training, how else could these insecure fucks feel superior to the most succesful bodybuilder of all time.
Mentzer and Arthur Jones had no significant success in life at all except for espousing lifting lumps of iron less than someone else might lift them, that's it! Hardly a fucking accomplishment.
A lot of people want to make out that there was this big rivalry between them but Mike wasn't even a blip on Arnolds radar, Arnold was just too successful, maybe Arnold could have been said to have had a rivalry during is competitive heyday with Sergio Oliva and Sylvester Stallone at the box-office, but Mike Mentzer? Hardly.
What did Mike ever achieve? They only met on stage once and then Mike talked shit about Arnold over and over to every 3rd tier magazine that would listen to him until the day he died, that's it just one small mans inability to move on in his life, talk about a storm in a teacup.
Samir Bannout finished 15th at the 1980 Olympia and 9th at the 1981 Olympia but then won the show in 1983, he didn't freak out because of bad placings but worked hard and reaped the rewards. Was 5th place such a slap in the face for Mentzer that quitting and grousing about it for the rest of his life the only answer? What a fucking loser.
Here's a website that has pictures of the contest in everyone Arnold is superior to Mentzer http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia.html
Arnold at 80% of his best was still more than enough, and isn't it great that his completely wrong training methods still allowed him to easily outmass Mentzer in the few weaks that Arnold had to prepare. Awesome, simply awesome. Arnold at 6'2 dwarfed the delusional 5'8 Mentzer at every turn.
(http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia/027.jpg)
(http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia/036.jpg)
You can't argue with actual photographic evidence which is the only unbiased source from that time although people like Moosejay would rather take the second hand word of an embittered old has been....... no that's wrong Mike's a 'never was' who couldn't get over his loss. Photo's don't lie so check the website and see for yourself http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia.html Mike was lucky to get 5th.
(http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia/058.jpg)
(http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia/057.jpg)
Once again compare their back double biceps Arnold is so far beyond Mentzer it's just not funny.
A is not hitting a BDB there, its a FDB
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A is not hitting a BDB there, its a FDB
And your point is? Arnolds back looks much better than Mentzers, and Arnold isn't even hitting a back shot!
Bigger thicker, and a lot wider. But forget the back look at their arms, Arnolds make Mikes look very small.
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Gayer than men in speedos arguing about who has the bigger stomach
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Alright after reading Mikes interview again I've got to say that I don't get at all where he's coming from. He honestly believes that Arnold robbed him of the Olympia title because Arnold had the judges in his pocket....... which makes absolutely no sense at all.
Now if Mike had finished second to Arnold then maybe an argument could be made for Arnold robbing him but... Mike... finished... 5th! So even if Arnold had never entered the contest Mike would have finished 4th not first as his crazy ass seems to think.
And what about the 3 other guys that finished ahead of him Dickerson, Zane and Coe? Did they all have the judges in their pockets as well? Well I guess they must have since Mentzer is 100% certain that he deserved to win, so why didn't he go around trashing the other guys, at all? Why is Arnold the only one who he trashed at every opportunity.
Mike seems to be like one of those introverted outcast emo kids at high school who fixate on the popular kids with hate and jealousy as the cause of their unhappiness seeing them as having everything they feel that only they deserve. So they start fantasizing about righteous justice along the lines of Columbine.
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And your point is?
that you have 67 posts......... ::)
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that you have 67 posts......... ::)
Wow you've really humbled me with your mighty post count it's a good thing you waited until you hit 500 before laying the smack down on a humble newb, if you had tried it at 300 you'd only have embarrassed yourself. I bet when you reached 500 you celebrated, because now that true status had been achieved let all uppity newbs tremble in fear! :)
Anyway enough bullshit do you have anything to add to the conversation at all?
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And your point is? Arnolds back looks much better than Mentzers, and Arnold isn't even hitting a back shot!
Bigger thicker, and a lot wider. But forget the back look at their arms, Arnolds make Mikes look very small.
that you are " Captain Fanboy"
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Anyway enough bullshit do you have anything to add to the conversation at all?
and......... ::)
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that you are " Captain Fanboy"
And here I was under the mistaken impression that I was simply a realist in a land of crazy Mentzer fanatics (is there any other kind), but all this time I was simply blinded by my love of Arnold..... oh and all the photographic evidence and stuff.
Captain Fanboy will not quit until someone convinces me that all the photo's of Arnold from 1980 were shopped, and that he doesn't look twice as big as Mentzer and that all photo's were in fact part of the Arnold Propaganda machine.
So until that day you'll have to forgive me if I don't simply accept the extremely bitter rantings of an old meth addict...... who I won't say is simply trying to relive past glory because hey he never had any. :)
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Mentzer was one of the original drinkers of 'haterade'
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Arnold played on his confidence but when challenged back down. Many many stories from the old guys. He is currently sucking up to one ex pro BIGtime to avoid him going to the press with some damning written and signed (by Arnold) evidence
He talked the talk behind Jesse Ventura's back on the set of predator too but backed down face to face
Who cares though, he was and is THE best and most successful bodybuilder the sport will ever see
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Mentzer was one of the original drinkers of 'haterade'
But he has a point..
why do you think that Arnold was whining about not having an all for one contest??
Lee Haney went to win 8 Mr. O!! without that kind of embarrasing controversy!
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These rumours that Arnold was repeatedly threatened and backed down could be true but then again they do sound like the usual popular urban legends where celebrities are involved. They are also very school yard my dad could beat up your dad type of bragging that guys who are into bodybuilding like to engage in.
Arnold certainly garnered enough jealousy from people because of his amazing success that shit talking and rumour-mongering were par for the course.
But I know that shit like that really happens, people like to talk tough but back down when you stand up to them. I Remember one time I met King Kamali when we were both standing in line at the local Starbucks I was ahead of him in the line and got the last cinnamon bagel, when King heard that there were none left he threatened to hit me if I didn't hand it over so I got right in his face and said "try it bitch" and like a bitch he backed down and wouldn't meet my eyes. Swear to god! I wouldn't make this up. 8)
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Arnold played on his confidence but when challenged back down. Many many stories from the old guys. He is currently sucking up to one ex pro BIGtime to avoid him going to the press with some damning written and signed (by Arnold) evidence
He talked the talk behind Jesse Ventura's back on the set of predator too but backed down face to face
Who cares though, he was and is THE best and most successful bodybuilder the sport will ever see
Jesse would whip Arnold's ass all over the place.
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Jesse would whip Arnold's ass all over the place.
A was getting his ass beat by a southern good ole boy in gym...Franco junped in and bit the guy on the leg
If A wants the ex-pro to keep quiet, he better pony up the moolah
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A was getting his ass beat by a southern good ole boy in gym...Franco junped in and bit the guy on the leg
And then they had to amputate the leg because Franco had rabies, and the Southern guy sued Arnold for a billion dollars but the case was thrown out of court because the judge was a woman who after meeting Arnold privately in chambers for several hours declared "case dismissed!" Arnold appearing disheveled was quoted as saying "now that's hot justice!"
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The controversy of controversies.
The 1980 Mr Olympia contest staged in Sydney, Australia, remains by far the most controversial in the event's history. The contention centers on the participation of Arnold Schwarzenegger, who had announced his retirement from competition in 1975 after winning six consecutive Mr. Olympia titles.
Seemingly only in Sydney to do commentary for CBS TV , Arnold stunned the bodybuilding world on the eve of the contest by declaring that he was returning to competition in pursuit of a seventh title.
Two days before the contest, Mike had that same " death's door feeling " which again confined him to bed for a whole day. By the morning of the contest, though, he had fully recovered. He was 225 pounds and more cut than he'd ever been. " I looked my best , but I didn't feel at my best. It just didn't feel like a normal contest; no one was being their usual selves. There was a strain and tension in the air all the way though."
WHO TERMINATED WHOM!
That strain and tension came to an electrifying climax at the competitors meeting held the morning of the contest. Fifteen of the 16 athletes had signed a petition asking that the two weight classes be abolished and that the Olympia should be contested as one open class. The one athlete not in agreement was Arnold Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Whatever the rights & wrongs , facts and misconceptions , theories and myths surrounded the 1980 Me. Olympia contest , in the interests of this narrative, it's important to understand that Mike Mentzer felt he was cheated in Sydney, and that sinister machinations were afoot. His belief is that certain forces , fueled by ignorance and sycophancy, combined to thrust an undeserving Arnold to first place and relegate him - perceived as owning the best physique in the contest - " ridiculous " fifth place.
This is how Mike recalls that fateful day. " There were maybe 50 people at the competitors meeting and as usual, Arnold wanted to be the center of attention. In every situation, he tries to be the standout, and on this occasion, he was the only athlete of the 16 in the contest who wanted to keep the two weight classes. " He said something to denigrate Samir Bannout that I thought was uncalled for. I passed on that, feeling Samir should have defended himself. As the debate progressed, there was a lot of arguing between Arnold and some of the guys. I wasn't really concerned one way or the other - I thought I could win anyway. Then Boyer Coe stood up and , as the gentlemen he is , said , " Why don't we let Arnold explain to us right here and now his exact reasons for wanted to have two weight classes? "
" Arnold barked , ' Boyer, lets talk like adults here. ' That really irked me , because Boyer made his plea with no hint of malice. In addition, this was the IFBB's event, but here was this big Prussian son of a bitch standing there acting like a Nazi and trying to walk all over us. " For some reason , that question pissed him off. He seemed like a guy out of control as he turned to face me, his upper lip curled around like a snarling animal. We were debating the issue of weight classes, but Arnold choose to snap at me. ' Mike Mentzer, we all know Zane beat you last year because you have a big stomach! '
" I was seated 20 feet away from Arnold, who was standing holding court, and I perhaps allowed that comment to irritate me too much, as on impulse, I bolted toward him. As I approached him, I decided I wouldn't hit him, but nevertheless I was surprised when Arnold sat down: I scared him! He sat as I continued to berate him. Wagging my finger at him, I told him, ' Look, Arnold, Boyer Coe said what he did as a gentlemen- he didn't deserve that response. You're the one who's acting like a baby,literally! ' Armold couldn't look me in the eye. He went from being a frantic hysterical adolescent to shrinking away like an injured child. "
Not for the first time in the history of bodybuilding, Joe Weider stepped in and defused the situation. He advised Arnold to accept the voices of the other 15. The debate ended as Arnold proclaimed, " I withdraw my objection. "
DECISION DOWN UNDER
" Throughout that meeting, Arnold had on a tight-knit weather that made him look skinny. I was curious to see what he looked like once he stripped down. When he did, I remember looking at him and thinking, Not only and I going to win this contest, but I'm going to beat Arnold Schwarzenegger as well!
" When I was called fifth, I was totally shocked. It was just a ridiculous placing, made more ridiculous by an out-of-shape Arnold winning. As for the other who finished ahead of me, I knew Frank Zane [ third ], due to an accident he had sustained four months earlier, wasn't as good as he had been the previous year. I mist say that Chris Dickerson [ second ] and Boyer Coe [ fourth ] were in phenomenal shape, particularly Chris. I felt he and I were the ones in absolute peak condition, and we should have been top two.
" The majority of observers at the 1980 Mr. Olympia, with the exception of the judging panel, didn't have Arnold in the top five. The crowd booed Arnold at the contest's conclusion, and there were a number of things that took place during the prejudging that perhaps should have provided an indication that as was not as it should have bee.
" Several of the judges were close friends of Arnold. Boyer Coe told me afterwards that he saw Reg Park, one of the judges, actually coaching Arnold from the official's table. In contrast, Bill Pearl had honorably removed himself from the judging panel, as he had spent some time training with Chris Dickerson.
" At times, the contest was like a circus. We had Franco Columbu- one of Arnold's weak-willed namby-pamy lackeys - coming onstage with a towel, a comb and oil, to go through a little act with Arnold at the expense of everybody else. I could quote other anomalies, but possibly the most pertinent is that CBS Sports flew half away around the world to tape the event and then never televised it. The word was that they were convinced it was a fix. " The record may show Arnold Schwarzenegger as the 1980 Mr. Olympia champion, but he wasn't the best bodybuilder onstage that day - not by a mile. "
In the immediate aftermath of the contest, several top names stated they would never compete again. They would later reverse their decisions and return to the contest dais. But even as he was announced fifth, Mike knew he would never compete again: " There was no way I was going to put myself though the same tortuous process again for a similar reward. At no point since 1980 have I been even sligthtly tempted to consider the possibility of competing. I don'tmiss it. "
Of all of its repercussions, it is difficult not to nominate Mike's premature retirement at 29 as being the major consequence of the 1980 Mr. Olympia contest. It effectively denied the sport of a view of the physique he could have built in future years.
move on. ::)
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If you are famous there will be hundreds of rumours about you that probably aren't true or maybe they are but you will usually find them all in trashy tabloid rags or in Arnolds case passed down through the generations from person to person like the legends of yor.
Moosejay I know you have subscriptions to National Enquirer and Star magazine.
There are even"rumours" about Mike Mentzer and he wasn't even famous at all for gods sake. Quoted from Wikapedia so they must be true:
"Mentzer suffered a mental breakdown. According to Peter McGough, editor-in-chief of FLEX magazine, stories began to surface of Mentzer exhibiting some very erratic behavior. Stories of him running naked through the streets, directing traffic, telling prophecies about the end of the world, being arrested by the police numerous times and even waiting for aliens to land were all published in magazines at one point or another. Popular bodybuilding writer Dan Duchaine even suggested that Mentzer was drinking his own urine at the time. Mentzer denied this in a 2001 interview with Ironman magazine. Nonetheless, according to McGough, some of these stories are true. Mentzer was also regularly institutionalized between 1985 up until 1990."
WOW, I don't care what Arnold did, Mentzer drank his own pee! EEWWW! :-X :o
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is there something wrong with running naked through the streets directing traffic? ...really, is there? will someone tell me please, I might have a problem!
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I'm getting ready to watch this Armageddon 1962 Alternate history show about WW3 and JFK on Military channel at 10pm.
It made me wonder... what would have happened if Arnold had LOST the 1980 Olympia, and Mentzer would have won it?
Would Arnold have experienced a downward spiral, despair? Would Mentzer have gone on to win a few Olympias, become a Hollywood star or world class guru?
Alternate history stories are so cool.
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Well.....That means Franco would not have competed in 81 and Platz, Padilla, Dickerson and Callendar all would have wiped the floor with Mentzer and Mentzer would have placed 5th in 81 and gone on to meltdown anyway....
Or he would've won from 80 through 83, been happy with being a 4 time Mr O and lose to Haney with dignity.... Unlikely since he was falling out of favor with Weider...but still a nice thought.
Then there is Arnold, who would have internalized the loss, then tap into his obsession with winning and came back in 81 with his biggest most shredded physique yet and won easily. Which would've stalled his hollywood career and possibly been worse for the bodybuilding and fitness industry.
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Even though he wasn't nearly as big, he was still the best on stage that day. Mentzer had a great physique but he had a bitter vibe to his personality.
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i am gonna meltdown now
MENTZER FINISHED 5TH IN THAT SHOW. FOOLS ARE TALKING ABOUT HIM LIKE HE WAS SECOND BEHIND ARNOLD AND GOT ROBBED.
FUCK OFF. MENTZER GOT 5TH AND DESERVED IT.
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In this alternate history does Mentzer still have a small chest and a protruding stomach? Is he still a bitter, pseudointellectual douche?
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I heard he started to lose his mind after that show, eventually went bonkers. Poor bastard.
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REMINDER: Chris Dickerson was recipient of Vince Basil's plastic Mr.Olympia 1980 trophy ;D
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REMINDER: Chris Dickerson was recipient of Vince Basil's plastic Mr.Olympia 1980 trophy ;D
No he wasn't, Arnold won in '80.
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I'm getting ready to watch this Armageddon 1962 Alternate history show about WW3 and JFK on Military channel at 10pm.
It made me wonder... what would have happened if Arnold had LOST the 1980 Olympia, and Mentzer would have won it?
Would Arnold have experienced a downward spiral, despair? Would Mentzer have gone on to win a few Olympias, become a Hollywood star or world class guru?
Alternate history stories are so cool.
Would've done nothing to Arnold. It might of hurt his pride, but he already had other things going on.
Now Mentzer is interesting. I honesty think it would've slowed the decline. It would've been validation of all his theories, and it would've brought in more money for the courses, personal training, etc.... You wouldn't have this giant blank space in the 1980's like you have now.
I do think he would've still wound up wacky, but it would've been moderated by the Olympia win. I think he would've retired after 1980, fell deeper into Ryndian philosophy mixed with a little drugs, and became just another one of bodybuilding eccentrics.
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yeah mentzer might have kept his mind if it was for a win at this show... no 5 years in asylum, no running naked on the street etc... but he was 5th as stated
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Mentzer wasn't stable prior to the 1980 Olympia. He was using amphetamines along with his bodybuilding drugs. He did come in 5th not second in his best ever shape. When I look at still pictures I had Dickerson winning. Zane was the most ripped ever but the smallest he ever was due to his accident prior.
Everything for me changed when I saw the film. Arnold at 80 % clearly won. When ever anyone stood next to him he clearly was better. I wish Arnold would have shown up in 75 condition. Every contestant would have been in agreement it's a contest for second place.
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If that scenario had played out, Mentzer would have had more mainstream exposure- like when he won the Universe and had an agent, a 3 book deal and multiple TV appearences. Bodybuilding would have been a bit different in the 80s, not as much celebrity glitz, but with more intellectual appeal.
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If Mentzer would have won, he probably would not have gone into that downward spiral which soured him towards Bodybuilding. He would probably still be alive today!
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i am gonna meltdown now
MENTZER FINISHED 5TH IN THAT SHOW. FOOLS ARE TALKING ABOUT HIM LIKE HE WAS SECOND BEHIND ARNOLD AND GOT ROBBED.
FUCK OFF. MENTZER GOT 5TH AND DESERVED IT.
Agreed. Mentzer was totally hyped and overrated. Even in his best shape he still could not beat a 210lb Arnold. Mentzer's chest was flat as a pancake. Even though Arnold's legs were smaller, they were still better and more detailed than Mentzer's.
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Does anyone seriously think Boyer Coe was better than Mentzer at that show?
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Was Mentzer as intellectual as his fans say he was? I know Mike himself spoke often about his superior mind but academically all he did was a few semesters in pre med if I'm not mistaken.
I will say this no one in bodybuilding has influenced me more that Mike. I still to this day have every magazine article written by him. Toward the end he recommended training routines that he never used when he was competing. He also claimed to have train Yates when he only was in a gym with him for a few days. Yates said in effect he let it go because he had no problem with him using that to publicize his personal training business. Also guys like David Young trained in the same gym as Mike back in the day. He said he used a lot more sets than he talked about in magazines. Were these warm up sets? I don't know.
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Most anyone would have went crazy after placing 5th at the 80 Mr O when he thought he would win, lost his girlfriend, one of parents died, he also had a magazine that failed I think all of this was in one year.
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Arnold still becomes a big star and gov. of Cali. nothing changes because of 1980
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Another "alternative history": how about if Arnold had showed up in 1980 with muscular legs and back?
He'd have won a little more convincingly.....
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I'm getting ready to watch this Armageddon 1962 Alternate history show about WW3 and JFK on Military channel at 10pm.
It made me wonder... what would have happened if Arnold had LOST the 1980 Olympia, and Mentzer would have won it?
Would Arnold have experienced a downward spiral, despair? Would Mentzer have gone on to win a few Olympias, become a Hollywood star or world class guru?
Alternate history stories are so cool.
I think Dickerson was better than Mike that day.
But answering your question I could easily see Mike being more marketable after beating Arnold ... And lots of "heavy duty training secrets never before seen pics and pullout posters of the greatest Mentzer" up till this day.
Arnold would have done just fine in Hollywood "losing size cause movie roles BS"
WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H
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Another "alternative history": how about if Arnold had showed up in 1980 with muscular legs and back?
He'd have won a little more convincingly.....
LOL!
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Does anyone seriously think Boyer Coe was better than Mentzer at that show?
No, and I certainly don't think Arnold's legs were better than Mike's ??? ::)
Mike was flat, but he should've probably placed second or third. I really don't care for Dickerson's tiny, droopy pec, puny arm build. And Zane was cut (hahaha ... get the reference? He cut his member! Haha ... ha :-[ ), but nowhere thick enough to challenge Mike's density.
I do agree with Arnold winning, though. The only reason people piss on his victory is, well, actually two reasons:
*He was a late entry and made a stink about weight classes
*He wasn't as good as he was several years before
That's it. Even at a lighter bodyweight, he was still dominant.
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I'm getting ready to watch this Armageddon 1962 Alternate history show about WW3 and JFK on Military channel at 10pm.
It made me wonder... what would have happened if Arnold had LOST the 1980 Olympia, and Mentzer would have won it?
Would Arnold have experienced a downward spiral, despair? Would Mentzer have gone on to win a few Olympias, become a Hollywood star or world class guru?
Alternate history stories are so cool.
Arnold would have devoted the entire year to training properly and would have destroyed Mentzer in 81
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No he wasn't, Arnold won in '80.
YES, he was :o, Vince & his mob really presented that plastic trophy to Dickerson ::)
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YES, he was :o, Vince & his mob really presented that plastic trophy to Dickerson ::)
Ok, I see what you did. Sometimes I'm slow on the uptake.
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mentzer couldn't cope with this let alone the 70's arnold
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If Arnold would have lost he would come back stronger than ever 81 and we would see the best arnold of any time in 81. that woulld be something to see would'nt it? ;) He was ok in 80 but we did never see his full potential. If kept on 10 years more...jesus!
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mentzer couldn't cope with this let alone the 70's arnold
QFT
People can argue all day long if Arnold shouldn't have won in 1980 the fact remains Mentzer wasn't beating him or winning the show
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POOR MIKE . he should have beat a thin frank zane in 1980 . still HIT . DOES WORK . IN THOSE DAYS . NOBODY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW TO TRAIN . TRADITION AND IMITATION . was the rule . he mentzer wanted to put logical thinking in this . he was influenced by arthur jones . arnold had four of the judges as close friends . shwarzie was a bit of a megalomaniac .
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Mike was an accident waiting to happen, & if it hadn't happened in 1980, it would have happened soon after anyway. Arnold's genius was sensing it at the show & pushing him until Mike brought himself down. Mike's best shape was behind him, as was Arnold's. Alternate history or no, Mike was heading down & Arnold was heading up in other directions.
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Didn't Mentzer come 5th at that show?
Arnold or not, he needed to beat three guys better than him.
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mike arms and legs were amazing no less
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mentzer couldn't cope with this let alone the 70's arnold
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I'm getting ready to watch this Armageddon 1962 Alternate history show about WW3 and JFK on Military channel at 10pm.
It made me wonder... what would have happened if Arnold had LOST the 1980 Olympia, and Mentzer would have won it?
Would Arnold have experienced a downward spiral, despair? Would Mentzer have gone on to win a few Olympias, become a Hollywood star or world class guru?
Alternate history stories are so cool.
The bigger question is, even if Arnold won, why didn't Mentzer place 2nd? Was it politics?
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Well.....That means Franco would not have competed in 81 and Platz, Padilla, Dickerson and Callendar all would have wiped the floor with Mentzer and Mentzer would have placed 5th in 81 and gone on to meltdown anyway....
Or he would've won from 80 through 83, been happy with being a 4 time Mr O and lose to Haney with dignity.... Unlikely since he was falling out of favor with Weider...but still a nice thought.
Then there is Arnold, who would have internalized the loss, then tap into his obsession with winning and came back in 81 with his biggest most shredded physique yet and won easily. Which would've stalled his hollywood career and possibly been worse for the bodybuilding and fitness industry.
IMO, Platz was the clear winner in 1981. Padilla was also great.
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I heard he started to lose his mind after that show, eventually went bonkers. Poor bastard.
There used to be a video on youtube of Mike and Ray in their last few days on the earth being filmed for a documentary. This was filmed JUST before his and his brother Rays death. It was evident that they had both become literally insane. I'm sure you can torrent it. It's quite disturbing to watch actually.
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Agreed. Mentzer was totally hyped and overrated. Even in his best shape he still could not beat a 210lb Arnold. Mentzer's chest was flat as a pancake. Even though Arnold's legs were smaller, they were still better and more detailed than Mentzer's.
NO WAY Arnold was 210 pounds on the day of. Minimum 220 pounds.
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Roger Walker wins, in his BB.com interview he call local judges cocksuckers ;D
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I heard he started to lose his mind after that show, eventually went bonkers. Poor bastard.
I know...hahahaha. :D
Arnold essentially killed Mike Mentzer by being so ultimate....talk about owning someone's soul.
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arnie was 219 pounds in australia . way below his best form . again john fair wrote a great piece on this olympia on the stark center website . seot 2009 i think . arnold in my view suffer from megalomania . he like his opponents to be huge like sergio and lou . were . came there playing with the rules no grooming etc .. anyway .
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where is Mentzer these days?
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If only Robbie Robinson competed in that show...
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The bigger question is, even if Arnold won, why didn't Mentzer place 2nd? Was it politics?
Yes he pissed off the IFBB you can see in the lineup pic its between Arnold and Mentzer.
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Bodybuilding peaked with Arnold. He could have won 14 Sandows from '70-'83 if he wanted.
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i am gonna meltdown now
MENTZER FINISHED 5TH IN THAT SHOW. FOOLS ARE TALKING ABOUT HIM LIKE HE WAS SECOND BEHIND ARNOLD AND GOT ROBBED.
FUCK OFF. MENTZER GOT 5TH AND DESERVED IT.
Often wondered why many see him as the 2nd place. The 80 was stacked. And jacked
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Still stacked
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Vince never told us who received his plastic trophies for the 2nd & 3rd places at '80 Olympia.
Dickerson was Vince's main plastic trophy winner :D in Sydney show.
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Vince never told us who received his plastic trophies for the 2nd & 3rd places at '80 Olympia.
Dickerson was Vince's main plastic trophy winner :D in Sydney show.
here is a photo taken by vince at the 80 O
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Mike was better between 1976 and 1978
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78
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Mike was better between 1976 and 1978
you're right. I think he got too carried away with the heavy duty. his mass and hardness went up, but his separation and definition decreased.
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His chest was rubbish in 1980 compared to 76 and 78. His legs were smooth too.
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Both Ray and Mike great hair genes.
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Arms out vacuum pose was good for Mentzer
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Mentzer should have won in 79, when there were under/over 200 categories and Zane took overall. I don't believe Mentzer ever thought HE should have won 80, just not Arnold!
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mike was at the opposite of most . no supplements no volume . philosophy . . and so. . and he hated the oak . i guess.after this olympia...
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I used to see mike all the time at gold's and the rose café. Once in a while he would walk down to Arnolds office and ask for money because he was broke again. Arnold would give it to him.
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Mike had psychological problems bought on from his love of using amphetamines. He felt he should have won when Robby beat him for the Universe. He thought he should have won when Kalman beat him in the Universe. Each time Mike was wrong. The right guy won.
Let's not forget he came in 5th in the 1980 Olympia, not 2nd. If you want to make an argument in this subjective sport who should have won you have more credibility with me saying it should have been Chris Dickerson.
If you watch the video of the contest everyone looked small standing next to Arnold. Arnold was ripped but a lot smaller than he usually was.
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I used to see mike all the time at gold's and the rose café. Once in a while he would walk down to Arnolds office and ask for money because he was broke again. Arnold would give it to him.
I have heard from more than a few that Arnold helped Mike out several times with money. Toward the end of his life the feud was over between the two.
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I have heard from more than a few that Arnold helped Mike out several times with money. Toward the end of his life the feud was over between the two.
It was. In his final few years, Mike actually spoke pretty highly of Arnold. Among other things, he regarded him as the best bodybuilder ever, better than Yates or Haney.
I do think he deserved to win that contest against Kal, though. Kal's legs were pathetic next to Mike's. He had a big chest, great biceps and ... eh. Mike was way more complete.
Also, I know he held Robby Robinson in fairly high regard, at least physique-wise. He said the second he saw Robby disrobe at the '75 Mr. America, nobody else had a chance.
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While arnold was a great BB i always thought of him as a pussy.MM definately beat him that day.
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Meth addict of peace
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I have heard from more than a few that Arnold helped Mike out several times with money. Toward the end of his life the feud was over between the two.
Mike would ask for help and Arnold always did. Mike spend quiet some time in Arnolds Office on Main street just hanging out talking.. But Mike also knew not to step over the line.
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I place it as Arnold first, Mentzer second. Third, maybe Padilla. Chris Dickerson shouldn't have been allowed on stage, his physique was pathetic even when he won a couple of years later. The worst Mr. Olympia winner, ever. Talk about getting robbed, Padilla won that show with ease.
It's a shame what losing caused Mike to do to himself. I doubt he was ever really arrested as there would be records of same along with the accompanying mugshot(s). Mike may not have been a "genius" (except compared to Coleman), but he definitely wasn't a moron. Too bad he wound up like most bodybuilding champions. Dying early.
At least he wasn't like Charles "Matt Foley" Glass, living in a van down by the gym.
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I place it as Arnold first, Mentzer second. Third, maybe Padilla. Chris Dickerson shouldn't have been allowed on stage, his physique was pathetic even when he won a couple of years later. The worst Mr. Olympia winner, ever. Talk about getting robbed, Padilla won that show with ease.
It's a shame what losing caused Mike to do to himself. I doubt he was ever really arrested as there would be records of same along with the accompanying mugshot(s). Mike may no have been a "genius" (except compared to Coleman), but he definitely wasn't a moron. Too bad he wound up like most bodybuilding champions. Dying early.
At least he wasn't like Charles "Matt Foley" Glass, living in a van down by the gym.
Arnold said it himself. He didn't understand why Mike wouldn't continue Competing. he could have won the Olympia a couple times after. Go figure...
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Mike had a great upper body, his legs were his weak point, not so much the size, but just the shape and structure.
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Arnold said it himself. He didn't understand why Mike wouldn't continue Competing. he could have won the Olympia a couple times after. Go figure...
Yup. Arnold lost to Zane in what...'68? He chose winning over whining. If you're going to dwell on the past, use it to fuel a better future. I'm a fan of Mentzer's method of training as well as his physique.
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The controversy of controversies.
The 1980 Mr Olympia contest staged in Sydney, Australia, remains by far the most controversial in the event's history. The contention centers on the participation of Arnold Schwarzenegger, who had announced his retirement from competition in 1975 after winning six consecutive Mr. Olympia titles.
Seemingly only in Sydney to do commentary for CBS TV , Arnold stunned the bodybuilding world on the eve of the contest by declaring that he was returning to competition in pursuit of a seventh title.
Two days before the contest, Mike had that same " death's door feeling " which again confined him to bed for a whole day. By the morning of the contest, though, he had fully recovered. He was 225 pounds and more cut than he'd ever been. " I looked my best , but I didn't feel at my best. It just didn't feel like a normal contest; no one was being their usual selves. There was a strain and tension in the air all the way though."
WHO TERMINATED WHOM!
That strain and tension came to an electrifying climax at the competitors meeting held the morning of the contest. Fifteen of the 16 athletes had signed a petition asking that the two weight classes be abolished and that the Olympia should be contested as one open class. The one athlete not in agreement was Arnold Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Whatever the rights & wrongs , facts and misconceptions , theories and myths surrounded the 1980 Me. Olympia contest , in the interests of this narrative, it's important to understand that Mike Mentzer felt he was cheated in Sydney, and that sinister machinations were afoot. His belief is that certain forces , fueled by ignorance and sycophancy, combined to thrust an undeserving Arnold to first place and relegate him - perceived as owning the best physique in the contest - " ridiculous " fifth place.
This is how Mike recalls that fateful day. " There were maybe 50 people at the competitors meeting and as usual, Arnold wanted to be the center of attention. In every situation, he tries to be the standout, and on this occasion, he was the only athlete of the 16 in the contest who wanted to keep the two weight classes. " He said something to denigrate Samir Bannout that I thought was uncalled for. I passed on that, feeling Samir should have defended himself. As the debate progressed, there was a lot of arguing between Arnold and some of the guys. I wasn't really concerned one way or the other - I thought I could win anyway. Then Boyer Coe stood up and , as the gentlemen he is , said , " Why don't we let Arnold explain to us right here and now his exact reasons for wanted to have two weight classes? "
" Arnold barked , ' Boyer, lets talk like adults here. ' That really irked me , because Boyer made his plea with no hint of malice. In addition, this was the IFBB's event, but here was this big Prussian son of a bitch standing there acting like a Nazi and trying to walk all over us. " For some reason , that question pissed him off. He seemed like a guy out of control as he turned to face me, his upper lip curled around like a snarling animal. We were debating the issue of weight classes, but Arnold choose to snap at me. ' Mike Mentzer, we all know Zane beat you last year because you have a big stomach! '
" I was seated 20 feet away from Arnold, who was standing holding court, and I perhaps allowed that comment to irritate me too much, as on impulse, I bolted toward him. As I approached him, I decided I wouldn't hit him, but nevertheless I was surprised when Arnold sat down: I scared him! He sat as I continued to berate him. Wagging my finger at him, I told him, ' Look, Arnold, Boyer Coe said what he did as a gentlemen- he didn't deserve that response. You're the one who's acting like a baby,literally! ' Armold couldn't look me in the eye. He went from being a frantic hysterical adolescent to shrinking away like an injured child. "
Not for the first time in the history of bodybuilding, Joe Weider stepped in and defused the situation. He advised Arnold to accept the voices of the other 15. The debate ended as Arnold proclaimed, " I withdraw my objection. "
DECISION DOWN UNDER
" Throughout that meeting, Arnold had on a tight-knit weather that made him look skinny. I was curious to see what he looked like once he stripped down. When he did, I remember looking at him and thinking, Not only and I going to win this contest, but I'm going to beat Arnold Schwarzenegger as well!
" When I was called fifth, I was totally shocked. It was just a ridiculous placing, made more ridiculous by an out-of-shape Arnold winning. As for the other who finished ahead of me, I knew Frank Zane [ third ], due to an accident he had sustained four months earlier, wasn't as good as he had been the previous year. I mist say that Chris Dickerson [ second ] and Boyer Coe [ fourth ] were in phenomenal shape, particularly Chris. I felt he and I were the ones in absolute peak condition, and we should have been top two.
" The majority of observers at the 1980 Mr. Olympia, with the exception of the judging panel, didn't have Arnold in the top five. The crowd booed Arnold at the contest's conclusion, and there were a number of things that took place during the prejudging that perhaps should have provided an indication that as was not as it should have bee.
" Several of the judges were close friends of Arnold. Boyer Coe told me afterwards that he saw Reg Park, one of the judges, actually coaching Arnold from the official's table. In contrast, Bill Pearl had honorably removed himself from the judging panel, as he had spent some time training with Chris Dickerson.
" At times, the contest was like a circus. We had Franco Columbu- one of Arnold's weak-willed namby-pamy lackeys - coming onstage with a towel, a comb and oil, to go through a little act with Arnold at the expense of everybody else. I could quote other anomalies, but possibly the most pertinent is that CBS Sports flew half away around the world to tape the event and then never televised it. The word was that they were convinced it was a fix. " The record may show Arnold Schwarzenegger as the 1980 Mr. Olympia champion, but he wasn't the best bodybuilder onstage that day - not by a mile. "
In the immediate aftermath of the contest, several top names stated they would never compete again. They would later reverse their decisions and return to the contest dais. But even as he was announced fifth, Mike knew he would never compete again: " There was no way I was going to put myself though the same tortuous process again for a similar reward. At no point since 1980 have I been even sligthtly tempted to consider the possibility of competing. I don'tmiss it. "
Of all of its repercussions, it is difficult not to nominate Mike's premature retirement at 29 as being the major consequence of the 1980 Mr. Olympia contest. It effectively denied the sport of a view of the physique he could have built in future years.
Arnold was doing what he does the best, playing mind games. Exactly same thing he did to Lou in Pumping Iron.
If you cannot ignore people like that you are heading to failure and that is what happened to Mike. It screwed his life actually.
Weak minds.
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I place it as Arnold first, Mentzer second. Third, maybe Padilla. Chris Dickerson shouldn't have been allowed on stage, his physique was pathetic even when he won a couple of years later. The worst Mr. Olympia winner, ever. Talk about getting robbed, Padilla won that show with ease.
It's a shame what losing caused Mike to do to himself. I doubt he was ever really arrested as there would be records of same along with the accompanying mugshot(s). Mike may not have been a "genius" (except compared to Coleman), but he definitely wasn't a moron. Too bad he wound up like most bodybuilding champions. Dying early.
At least he wasn't like Charles "Matt Foley" Glass, living in a van down by the gym.
Padilla wasn't in shape or ripped for the 1980 Olympia. Dickerson was ripped and had density. Dickerson looked like he was carved out of ice. Mentzer was placed at what he deserves.
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Arnold said it himself. He didn't understand why Mike wouldn't continue Competing. he could have won the Olympia a couple times after. Go figure...
He might have. Mike came to see IFBB contests as being fixed. Following that premise it was no longer worth the sacrifice, drug use and dieting. He trained for a few more years, then basically cashed it in.
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Padilla wasn't in shape or ripped for the 1980 Olympia. Dickerson was ripped and had density. Dickerson looked like he was carved out of ice. Mentzer was placed at what he deserves.
To me, Dickerson was sagging like a petrified prune. His physique was awful, but as with most such things, its subjective.
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mike legs were amazing . only his hip structure a bit peculiar . he had the best triceps in bodybuilding for a long time . . strange than he he the oak buried the ax . . once he spoke to me a bout arnold over the phone and he didnt say much amicable things . .
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Epitome of bitterness... Videos and pics don't lie, Arnold won that show in my opinion, altough smaller he dwarfed the competition, coupled with great conditioning and dryness... Mentzer was not in his best shape, that's another myth, no chest, average back, incredibly narrow with average structure, probably the first competitor showing a distended stomach...
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Mike had a great upper body, his legs were his weak point, not so much the size, but just the shape and structure.
(http://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/67a17dc1-8c89-4bee-9c44-29bdc9f7ef22.jpg)
You honestly think these legs are a weak point.
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Epitome of bitterness... Videos and pics don't lie, Arnold won that show in my opinion, altough smaller he dwarfed the competition, coupled with great conditioning and dryness... Mentzer was not in his best shape, that's another myth, no chest, average back, incredibly narrow with average structure, probably the first competitor showing a distended stomach...
Yeah, he looked depleted. What happened to his chest? Looked much better in 79.
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arnolds still smiling
(http://schwarzenegger.freeforums.net/attachment/download/900)
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mentzer was one of my favorite bodybuilders back in 78-79, i bought his heavy duty training manuals n they where like gold to me back then, he was a really good bodybuider imo
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tried to change too many things at the same time . training protocols nutrition . etc . its up to strentgh coaches now i guess to try to seeif there is a better way to train and diet ... .
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this big Prussian son of a bitch standing there acting like a Nazi and trying to walk all over us.
LOL
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=228044.0;attach=266948;image)
Mike: "Arnold, sit down and shut up."
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it seems to me that it is mike who started the war trying to tell everyone that his was the best way to train the only scientific method of training .
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You honestly think these legs are a weak point.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=228044.0;attach=566421)
No, but those socks sure are.
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if arnold woulda told waller to get up and crack mentzer id bet on it that waller would have, arnold was their king ;)
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if arnold woulda told waller to get up and crack mentzer id bet on it that waller would have, arnold was their king ;)
Waller was a beast. Nice guy too, but you may well be right. Glad it didn't happen though.
I still wish Mentzer hadn't packed up his life and gone home for good. His choice and I imagine that he regretted it off and on the rest of his life.
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It's 2014 and we still quarrel over 1980 Olympia. Makes modern bodybuilding seem pretty insignificant in comparison, doesn't it.
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yes in a way .. i guess it wont ever be settled . as i wrote mentzer started the war by telling everyone that his w ay of training was the best the only scientific way . he was against tradition and imitation .
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There is something about Mentzer's physique that when presented whole was one of the best ever. He didn't have any truly outstanding bodyparts, like say Arnold's biceps or chest or Platz like legs but this picture for me is just the epitomy of what bodybuilding should be.
(http://www.davedraper.com/pmwiki/uploads//PmWiki/MikeMentzer2.jpg)
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MIKE WAS always criticised for no chest but saggings pecs is not the most manly attribute ...
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There is something about Mentzer's physique that when presented whole was one of the best ever. He didn't have any truly outstanding bodyparts, like say Arnold's biceps or chest or Platz like legs but this picture for me is just the epitomy of what bodybuilding should be.
(http://www.davedraper.com/pmwiki/uploads//PmWiki/MikeMentzer2.jpg)
Maybe he's in the top 40, but one the best ever?
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Maybe he's in the top 40, but one the best ever?
Only man to ever receive a perfect score in the Universe. As individual body parts go, no. As a whole, yes. Aesthetics meant more years ago and should still today. Alas, more than ever it's all about the Ass Monsters, i.e., the Schmoes that judge today's competitions.
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Only man to ever receive a perfect score in the Universe. As individual body parts go, no. As a whole, yes. Aesthetics meant more years ago and should still today. Alas, more than ever it's all about the Ass Monsters, i.e., the Schmoes that judge today's competitions.
No disagreement there. However, the schmoes have always been in charge.
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No disagreement there. However, the schmoes have always been in charge.
True. :(
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You honestly think these legs are a weak point.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=228044.0;attach=566421)
YES! Look at them, they look semi retarded. They aren't aesthetically pleasing and the lines are all over the place. Enough mass for that time, but just odd shape, lines and structure.
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If i remember rightly arnold called mentzer later in life to bury the hatchet, didn't he offer to help him with medical expenses when he was ill?
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The real fix in 1980 was mentzer should've placed a lot lower.
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If i remember rightly arnold called mentzer later in life to bury the hatchet, didn't he offer to help him with medical expenses when he was ill?
Apparently, mentzer would often go to Arnold asking for money when he was broke despite slagging him off in the mags. The nerve of this delusional dead idiot.
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Apparently, mentzer would often go to Arnold asking for money when he was broke despite slashing him off in the mags. The nerve of this delusional dead idiot.
LOL!
Jesus RMJ, you should just go find Mentzers grave and piss on it already. LOL.
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unfortunately Mike let the outcome of the 1980 Mr Olympia effect the rest of his life and his happiness level
I've never seen a bigger meltdown by an athlete.
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LOL!
Jesus RMJ, you should just go find Mentzers grave and piss on it already. LOL.
Already have. 😉
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Only man to ever receive a perfect score in the Universe. As individual body parts go, no. As a whole, yes. Aesthetics meant more years ago and should still today. Alas, more than ever it's all about the Ass Monsters, i.e., the Schmoes that judge today's competitions.
Not true. Carlos Rodriguez was the first bodybuilder to get a perfect score before mentzer.
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Apparently, mentzer would often go to Arnold asking for money when he was broke despite slagging him off in the mags. The nerve of this delusional dead idiot.
Even Robinson - who slags most people off - said that it was Arnold always pulling out his gold card at meals and paying for everybody when they were eating. He may have been many things but he wasn't tight around his 'friends'. He seemed to be hosting a lot of the gatherings/parties, too. Maybe for his own ends but it seems to me that if he was such a sociopathic asshole; he could have done that through just sucking up to Weiders + press and distancing himself from his competitors.
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Even Robinson - who slags most people off - said that it was Arnold always pulling out his gold card at meals and paying for everybody when they were eating. He may have been many things but he wasn't tight around his 'friends'. He seemed to be hosting a lot of the gatherings/parties, too. Maybe for his own ends but it seems to me that if he was such a sociopathic asshole; he could have done that through just sucking up to Weiders + press and distancing himself from his competitors.
If someone else was paying then Robby would have been at the table
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If someone else was paying then Robby would have been at the table
True. He's not shy about saying it, either. :)
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FUCK 1980 Mr Olympia!!!!
Mike Mentzer was almost last. Arnold won. Get over it!!! Live for today!
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sometimes I wonder if Arnold's to mr olympia as tom brady is to the tuck rule that led to legacy that could have been forgotten
I never liked how he deceived Sergio in 1970 and still think Sergio is the better bodybuilder. Didn't Weider or whoever fucktard is in charge ban Sergio for standing up for himself?
Sergio getting to compete in all of the 70s would have changed the outcome of that decade
Thats MY main beef with Arnold, NOT just 1980
Heard he sabotaged Frank Zane with jokes so yea kind of a conniving son of a bitch
I can't be the only one who thinks Arnold has a bully side to him
NO ONE SIDED BANDWAGONING PLEASE!!!!
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Metzer should have crackede open some Yohimbe and mixed it with DMSO. Rub it on his hips to get the blood flowing to his fat ass.
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This appears to be footage from some documentary that was being filmed during the 1980 Mr. Olympia
There is quite a bit of video I've never seen before and it also includes guest posing by Reg Park and posing and lifting by Bev Francis. They also show all the judges score cards at the end which I've never seen before.
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Mostly total rebuild footage and then gmv footage the end
This appears to be footage from some documentary that was being filmed during the 1980 Mr. Olympia
There is quite a bit of video I've never seen before and it also includes guest posing by Reg Park and posing and lifting by Bev Francis. They also show all the judges score cards at the end which I've never seen before.
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Mostly total rebuild footage and then gmv footage the end
The GMV footage is probably the stuff I've never seen before
I also don't recall ever seeing the scorecards before
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Thanks,I`ll check it out later.
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Total Rebuild was produced by Paul Graham (well technically Carole Graham but in reality Paul) a documentary that focuses almost solely on Arnold.
The Olympia was promoted by Paul Graham. A show that happened to be won by Arnold.
Geeze it's a good thing Paul didn't focus his documentary on Mentzer or Coe or Zane. He would've ended up with a documentary about thr guys who lost. He must've had incredible insight.
:D
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Bro...
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Bro...
Shut up Pamith
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Shut up Pamith
:D
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Arnold and Paul were the ones involved in the stolen car ring I believe??
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sometimes I wonder if Arnold's to mr olympia as tom brady is to the tuck rule that led to legacy that could have been forgotten
I never liked how he deceived Sergio in 1970 and still think Sergio is the better bodybuilder. Didn't Weider or whoever fucktard is in charge ban Sergio for standing up for himself?
Sergio getting to compete in all of the 70s would have changed the outcome of that decade
Thats MY main beef with Arnold, NOT just 1980
Heard he sabotaged Frank Zane with jokes so yea kind of a conniving son of a bitch
I can't be the only one who thinks Arnold has a bully side to him
NO ONE SIDED BANDWAGONING PLEASE!!!!
He wasn't a bully. Just competitive. But you just don't understand that.
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This appears to be footage from some documentary that was being filmed during the 1980 Mr. Olympia
There is quite a bit of video I've never seen before and it also includes guest posing by Reg Park and posing and lifting by Bev Francis. They also show all the judges score cards at the end which I've never seen before.
More wild speculations and opinions. Let this silly conspiracy theory, which was started by mentzer in the mid 80's, just die already.
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This appears to be footage from some documentary that was being filmed during the 1980 Mr. Olympia
There is quite a bit of video I've never seen before and it also includes guest posing by Reg Park and posing and lifting by Bev Francis. They also show all the judges score cards at the end which I've never seen before.
good find.
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Shut up Pamith
MY NIKKA...
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More wild speculations and opinions. Let this silly conspiracy theory, which was started by mentzer in the mid 80's, just die already.
Mentzer did die already. He's probably in Heaven right now arguing with God about who should have won the 80 Olympia and how (s)HIT is the best style of training.
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More wild speculations and opinions. Let this silly conspiracy theory, which was started by mentzer in the mid 80's, just die already.
Ironically Mentzer's conspiracy surrounding Mr.O is his legacy ...
Just another 1980 Mr.O thread ..... there's always a brand new point of view" popping up
That doesn't happen with another BB contest .... That's quiet a legacy for Mike
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fuck mike mentzer....glad he got screwed.
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If I recall correctly,Arnold won in `80 right ? ;D
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If I recall correctly,Arnold won in `80 right ? ;D
Just looked it up. On Musclememory.com it says Arnold was the winner. And, let's see.....looks like Mentzer got 5th.
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This appears to be footage from some documentary that was being filmed during the 1980 Mr. Olympia
There is quite a bit of video I've never seen before and it also includes guest posing by Reg Park and posing and lifting by Bev Francis. They also show all the judges score cards at the end which I've never seen before.
Remember seeing a VHS recording of this with my cousins when we were kids. It was originally supposed to air on TV, but then they cancelled it.
Being a huge Arnold fan at the time, everyone I knew felt that Arnold did not look his best. We (just kids at the time) felt that Mike Mentzer should have taken the win. I'm sure there are arguments against that, but to us he looked a bit better. Looking back at the reality now, by the time Arnold competed in the 1980 Mr. Olympia he had acted in about 9 projects (most movies and a few TV shows). His next role (after the Olympia) would have been Conan the Barbarian and so a win at the Mr. Olympia with consequent magazine covers serving as marketing was almost too well played. Still, for what it's worth, Arnold was to the Bodybuilding world what Hulk Hogan was to wrestling. Any time people heard Arnold was around things got 10x more exciting. He was a HUGE deal in the industry. Every gym had a poster or two of Arnold.
(https://external-preview.redd.it/0AMWF5bYJjQP_6JyJ_Vp_f82SXFg5QOzZhbiZmZ0K1U.jpg?auto=webp&s=9a3a70852f16731ae45c3db5f503c3b6ca2772de)
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Just looked it up. On Musclememory.com it says Arnold was the winner. And, let's see.....looks like Mentzer got 5th.
This x2
Arnold won - End of.
IIRC none of the Judges had mike in 1st place - placed 5th where he deserved
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Just looked it up. On Musclememory.com it says Arnold was the winner. And, let's see.....looks like Mentzer got 5th.
Legit lol’d
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Mentzer got 5th? Man I bet he’s mad.
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Just looked it up. On Musclememory.com it says Arnold was the winner. And, let's see.....looks like Mentzer got 5th.
;D
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I was there. 4th row sitting behind Joe Weider. Funny reading all the comments from people who weren't there. Joe Weiderr actually turned round and asked me if I thought Arnold should have won. My comment? Nothing! My friend jumped in with his pov and my response was never uttered. Woulda been pointless as my knowledge back then was severely limited. I thought John Terilli could have been in the Olympia that day. See what I mean? Not a f33cking clue. Although Terilli really grew into himself a few years later.
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;D
The real kicker is Mentzer actually tied with Boyer Coe for 4th place but because Mike was such a pedantic, pontificating, pretentious bastard the judges said 'fuck him. 5th oughta shut him up!'
Boy were they wrong.
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Remember seeing a VHS recording of this with my cousins when we were kids. It was originally supposed to air on TV, but then they cancelled it.
Being a huge Arnold fan at the time, everyone I knew felt that Arnold did not look his best. We (just kids at the time) felt that Mike Mentzer should have taken the win. I'm sure there are arguments against that, but to us he looked a bit better. Looking back at the reality now, by the time Arnold competed in the 1980 Mr. Olympia he had acted in about 9 projects (most movies and a few TV shows). His next role (after the Olympia) would have been Conan the Barbarian and so a win at the Mr. Olympia with consequent magazine covers serving as marketing was almost too well played. Still, for what it's worth, Arnold was to the Bodybuilding world what Hulk Hogan was to wrestling. Any time people heard Arnold was around things got 10x more exciting. He was a HUGE deal in the industry. Every gym had a poster or two of Arnold.
(https://external-preview.redd.it/0AMWF5bYJjQP_6JyJ_Vp_f82SXFg5QOzZhbiZmZ0K1U.jpg?auto=webp&s=9a3a70852f16731ae45c3db5f503c3b6ca2772de)
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The real scandal was Roger Walker taking 6th. Talk about a screw job.
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Based just on the top people ( others should have been in there not zane, dickerson or mentzer) But based on the top that was chosen it should have been .1 Arnold, 2 Walker, 3 Coe, 4 Callender,5 Mentzer 6 Dickerson and the skinny swimmer Zane last... Case closed
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Based just on the top people ( others should have been in there not zane, dickerson or mentzer) But based on the top that was chosen it should have been .1 Arnold, 2 Walker, 3 Coe, 4 Callender,5 Mentzer 6 Dickerson and the skinny swimmer Zane last... Case closed
This is how I would've had it. Coe was very close to his all time best. Huge and ripped. Really peaked. Same with Walker. Walker was bigger than Coe and almost as ripped. I think overall Walker jusr had ugly lines. Something about his genetics made him look weird- as if he had bitch tits even though he didn't. Coe had a unique build too, very strange muscle shape but I probably would've placed coe ahead of Walker.
Im a fan of Callender but he was a little smooth at this show.
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Bill Pearl said he thought Boyer Coe was deserving in his opinion of winning the 1980 Mr Olympia title that night and Dennis Tinerino said about Arnold Schwarzenegger that he had "seen better legs on a rocking chair". personally I felt Arnold beat everyone just on mass alone but lacked the quality. I think Dennis Tinerino should have placed higher and even could have been worthy of the win. Frank Zane although not at his best was still great. Roy Callender looked awesome but just wasn't big enough. Mike Mentzer looked decent but I don't subscribe to the theory he should have won the title although he could have placed higher. I wouldn't have placed Chris Dickerson second either.
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The real scandal was Roger Walker taking 6th. Talk about a screw job.
Walker relaxed from the front looks better than anybody there. Dwarfing that Austrian twink next to him
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Bill Pearl said he thought Boyer Coe was deserving in his opinion of winning the 1980 Mr Olympia title that night and Dennis Tinerino said about Arnold Schwarzenegger that he had "seen better legs on a rocking chair". personally I felt Arnold beat everyone just on mass alone but lacked the quality. I think Dennis Tinerino should have placed higher and even could have been worthy of the win. Frank Zane although not at his best was still great. Roy Callender looked awesome but just wasn't big enough. Mike Mentzer looked decent but I don't subscribe to the theory he should have won the title although he could have placed higher. I wouldn't have placed Chris Dickerson second either.
Goes to show how little they knew about Judging Criteria .
and There own Structural flaws & how they looked in the line up.
I remember Bill Pearl saying That the sport would have stood still if Arnold won after
A 5 year absence ::)
Hmmm I wonder if He Thought the exact same when he had his
years breaks & going back to win the Mr Universe a few Times.
No doubt he conveniently forgot about that.
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This is how I would've had it. Coe was very close to his all time best. Huge and ripped. Really peaked. Same with Walker. Walker was bigger than Coe and almost as ripped. I think overall Walker jusr had ugly lines. Something about his genetics made him look weird- as if he had bitch tits even though he didn't. Coe had a unique build too, very strange muscle shape but I probably would've placed coe ahead of Walker.
Im a fan of Callender but he was a little smooth at this show.
Coe's abs were always a huge weakness. It was structural so nothing he could do about it.
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Based just on the top people ( others should have been in there not zane, dickerson or mentzer) But based on the top that was chosen it should have been .1 Arnold, 2 Walker, 3 Coe, 4 Callender,5 Mentzer 6 Dickerson and the skinny swimmer Zane last... Case closed
Yeah that seems a better top 6 result
Arnold still winning & Mike still in 5th - only placing I'd differ on is Dickerson as light as Frank was
He still had a better physique.
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some screencaps I did a while back
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I'm getting ready to watch this Armageddon 1962 Alternate history show about WW3 and JFK on Military channel at 10pm.
It made me wonder... what would have happened if Arnold had LOST the 1980 Olympia, and Mentzer would have won it?
Would Arnold have experienced a downward spiral, despair? Would Mentzer have gone on to win a few Olympias, become a Hollywood star or world class guru?
Alternate history stories are so cool.
No, they really aren't. 4 superior competitors beat mentzer. That's 4. He came a distant 5th and for good reason. He looked like crap. Deflated chest. Narrow clavicles. Undeveloped back. Fat ass. Wide hips. Small arms with no peak. Deformed traps. Poor posing due to shaking too much. How on earth was he ever going to win, really?
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No, they really aren't. 4 superior competitors beat mentzer. That's 4. He came a distant 5th and for good reason. He looked like crap. Deflated chest. Narrow clavicles. Undeveloped back. Fat ass. Wide hips. Small arms with no peak. Deformed traps. Poor posing due to shaking too much. How on earth was he ever going to win, really?
maybe in an alternate Universe? ::)
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What if Badell competed in ‘80?
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maybe in an alternate Universe? ::)
Nope.
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Nope.
Reading comprehension isn't a strength of yours, is it?
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Nothing would change
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No, they really aren't. 4 superior competitors beat mentzer. That's 4. He came a distant 5th and for good reason. He looked like crap. Deflated chest. Narrow clavicles. Undeveloped back. Fat ass. Wide hips. Small arms with no peak. Deformed traps. Poor posing due to shaking too much. How on earth was he ever going to win, really?
It was bullshit that he finished above Roger Walker.
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Reading comprehension isn't a strength of yours, is it?
I can read very well.
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It was bullshit that he finished above Roger Walker.
Yep. The real fix was that mentzer came 5th when he actually should of placed a lot lower.
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Mentzer beat Schwarzenegger and I don't care how many threads and posts are being put up saying different. Schwarzenegger's win was politicle and everyone knows it. Mike's muscle density blew Schwarzenegger out of the water.
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Welcome to Getbig.
I have no doubt you will a valued member.
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WELCOME TO.........oh just fuck off !
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WELCOME TO.........oh just fuck off !
:D :D
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Dang, looks like Mike's ghost has internet access...
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Arnold took Mentzer's soul that night.
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I think GB would agree as there have been more Mentzer images posted on here lately than Arnold.
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Mentzer beat Schwarzenegger and I don't care how many threads and posts are being put up saying different. Schwarzenegger's win was politicle and everyone knows it. Mike's muscle density blew Schwarzenegger out of the water.
Ron should go back to slowly/never approving new accounts.
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Mentzer beat Schwarzenegger and I don't care how many threads and posts are being put up saying different. Schwarzenegger's win was politicle and everyone knows it. Mike's muscle density blew Schwarzenegger out of the water.
Great first post, dickface.
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Great first post, dickface.
:D
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I know there is a plethora of wood over Mentzer vs Arnold, but honestly 81 is a more interesting discussion and a more egregious judging debacle. 07 Cutler over Martinez probably next after that.
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Lol, it’s not like he even placed second man. It’s not even close. Didn’t he get fourth? Go fuck yourself fuck face. Imma watch Wes cornhole you and call you a phag while he does it.
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Lol, it’s not like he even placed second man. It’s not even close. Didn’t he get fourth? Go fuck yourself fuck face. Imma watch Wes cornhole you and call you a phag while he does it.
Perhaps you’d join the party ? ?
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Not this shit again? Arnold had the Shadow to prove he won. Mentzer came in 5th. He didn't come in second.
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I'm more interested in who was better : Coleman or Yates?
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Mentzer beat Schwarzenegger and I don't care how many threads and posts are being put up saying different. Schwarzenegger's win was politicle and everyone knows it. Mike's muscle density blew Schwarzenegger out of the water.
Have you met a pleb on here, goes by the name of Royalty?
He looks like a pile of shit and he's not too bright either. Kind of like a white goodrum, I'd imagine, if you know who goodrum is.... anyway he's also a mentzer cock gobbler.
Further, when Arnold was at the height of Hollywood fame and was the highest paid actor in the world, mentzer was drinking his own urine, chain smoking and offering to blow phags for meth..... that's your "winner" Lololololol. He was a real genius. Lololololol.