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This could get really bad.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush said Wednesday he is dispatching U.S. military personnel to Georgia in a "vigorous and ongoing" mission to provide humanitarian aid to victims of the fighting between Russian and Georgian troops.
Shortly after Bush spoke, the White House announced that a U.S. Air Force C-17 cargo jet carrying medical supplies arrived in the Georgian capital of Tbilisi.
Another C-17 is to arrive in Tbilisi on Thursday carrying more supplies, including 104,000 doses of antibiotics requested by the Georgian Ministry of Health, a State Department spokesman said. The value of both shipments is $1.28 million, he said.
Bush said more U.S. military aid missions were planned by the Navy and Air Force.
He warned Russia not to interfere with any relief efforts.
"We expect Russia to honor its commitment to let in all forms of humanitarian assistance. We expect Russia to ensure that all lines of communication and transport, including seaports, airports, roads, and airspace, remain open for the delivery of humanitarian assistance and for civilian transit," Bush said at the White House.
Russia sent troops and tanks into the breakaway Georgia region of South Ossetia last week after Georgia's military acted to clamp down on Russian-linked separatists there. Separatists in South Ossetia want independence -- or unification with North Ossetia, which is in Russia.
Russian forces have since moved out of South Ossetia and into other parts of Georgia.
Bush said he expected Russia to honor a truce agreement made Tuesday.
"We expect Russia to meet its commitment to cease all military activities in Georgia, and we expect all Russian forces that entered Georgia in recent days to withdraw from that country," Bush said.
The president said he was sending Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to Europe to express "America's unwavering support" for the Georgian government.
Rice will travel to France, which negotiated the cease-fire between Russia and Georgia on Tuesday. Rice will then head to Tbilisi,Bush said.
French President Sarkozy, acting as the president of the European Union, had negotiated the cease-fire agreement, which called for U.S. ally Georgia and Russia to each return to the position it held on August 6, before Georgia's crackdown on South Ossetia.
Bush said the United States is concerned about reports that Russian units have taken positions on the east side of Gori, which is just outside of South Ossetia, and that they have entered and taken positions in the Black Sea port city of Poti.
Russian personnel carriers were moving toward the Georgian capital of Tbilisi, CNN's Matthew Chance also reported on Wednesday.
Dimitry Peskov, a spokesman for the Russian government, said Wednesday that the troops were demilitarizing the area near the South Ossetia border and "never had plans" to travel to the capital.
Administration officials told CNN that the U.S. and its European allies were considering kicking Russia out of the G-8, the group of the world's largest industrial economies, and other international organizations as punishment for its actions in Georgia. They also said Russia's relationship with NATO was also at risk.
The priority was to get Russian troops out of Georgia. The U.S. had communicated that to the Russia government, administration officials told CNN. The Russians who said they have no intention of keeping troops permanently in Georgia, U.S. officials told CNN.
The U.S. appears to have let its European allies take the lead on the diplomatic efforts to stop the fighting in Georgia, Zain Verjee, CNN's State Department correspondent, said.
The Europeans have a greater influence over Russia and the U.S. needs Russia to help with other thorny diplomatic issues, such as efforts to pressure Iran to suspend its nuclear program, Verjee reported.
Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili criticized the U.S. for not taking more measures to help during an interview with CNN Wednesday.
"America is losing the whole region, and this is the region of eastern and central Europe," said Saakashvili, who called for the U.S. and European powers to send peacekeepers to the region. "This is much bigger than any other place where there is America influence, and this is the most natural allies of America."
"Who else can stand up for liberty in the world?" Saakashvili asked.
But U.S. officials said they warned Saakashvili not to provoke Russia militarily by sending Georgian troops into South Ossetia and that they had ruled out any U.S. military action to defend Georgia.
Russia's move in Georgia is happening amid an overall struggle between the U.S. and Russia for influence within Eastern Europe. From the Russia's point of view, American support for Georgia is a direct threat to its influence.
By striking heavily in Georgia, Moscow is sending a signal to other former Soviet republics, like Ukraine and Moldova, said Sarah Mendelson, the director of the Human Rights and Security Initiative at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.
"If I were a neighbor of Russia and I saw what Russia had done in Georgia, I would be very nervous," Mendelson said. "I think those countries that are leaning toward the West are very nervous today."
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we need to help our white brothers and fast
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It was nice knowning all off you when we all nuke each other over some 3rd world shithole.
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This could get really bad.
Will the interventionism ever end?! ::)
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US soldiers were already there training the Georgian troops.
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I'm sure The American People will stand firmly behind this latest deployment. Again.
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US soldiers were already there training the Georgian troops.
JCET... :-X
Sigh...
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we need to help our white brothers and fast
I bet you had never even heard of Georgia before last week ::)
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Instead of sending a C-17 cargo jet...
probably would've been more helpful to send an AC-130 Gunship
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Georgia started attacking civilians, because they voiced their displeasure at being a part of Georgia,and wanting independence.
Those civilians were Russian passport-holders, so Russia retaliated and helped evacuate them.
Georgia declares cease-fire, and breaks it the next day, by attacking the evacuating civilians.
Georgians are commiting genocide.
Russians are helping their own people and protecting them.
Why is the USA and Bush taking the Georgian side?
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It was nice knowning all off you when we all nuke each other over some 3rd world shithole.
;D ??? :'(
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I bet you had never even heard of Georgia before last week ::)
wrong i read all about georgia in foreign service 101 :)
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Georgia started attacking civilians, because they voiced their displeasure at being a part of Georgia,and wanting independence.
Those civilians were Russian passport-holders, so Russia retaliated and helped evacuate them.
Georgia declares cease-fire, and breaks it the next day, by attacking the evacuating civilians.
Georgians are commiting genocide.
Russians are helping their own people and protecting them.
Why is the USA and Bush taking the Georgian side?
Guess you missed out on the last 7 years... ::)
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Guess you missed out on the last 7 years... ::)
They found oil in Georgia?
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They found oil in Georgia?
Well....not that you mention it, it certainly is CLOSE to the Caspian.
Why do think we have Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo? To keep the peace?...to keep the oil pipelines flowing...
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Well....not that you mention it, it certainly is CLOSE to the Caspian.
Why do think we have Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo? To keep the peace?...to keep the oil pipelines flowing...
Im not in the US, but do know re US/Georgia relations since 90's. Obviously something is of interest to your gov, but to accept the feeble excuses and lies of the Georgian puppet president, knowing fully well that Russia is right?
A decade or so ago, the US took the other side when it was Kosovo, and it was exactly the same story...
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Im not in the US, but do know re US/Georgia relations since 90's. Obviously something is of interest to your gov, but to accept the feeble excuses and lies of the Georgian puppet president, knowing fully well that Russia is right?
A decade or so ago, the US took the other side when it was Kosovo, and it was exactly the same story...
It was always about oil pipelines...primarily. Anything else is just an add on for the story.
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better stay out of russia...and china
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It was always about oil pipelines...primarily. Anything else is just an add on for the story.
Lets hope it doesnt escalate. Russia is a sleeping giant you dont wanna fuck with. Not quite Iraq...
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This could get really bad.
WHEN AMERICA FINALLY GETS IT ASS NUKED IT WILL LEARN TO MIND ITS OWN GOD DAMN BUSINESS. EVERY TIME I READ THE NEWS THERE IS ANOTHER DISTURBANCE IN THE WORLD AND AMERICA IS BEHIND IT....MEANWHILE FOURTH WORLD AMERICA SITS IN ITS OWN SQUALOR AND IDIOCY WHILE ITS DEBT BURIES IT AND CHINA OVER RUNS IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
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better stay out of russia...and china
If China gets involved, then Americans better get to the tip of South America fast.
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If China gets involved, then Americans better get to the tip of South America fast.
Whence hailest thou friend?
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Whence hailest thou friend?
Another country about to explode into oblivion on the southern tip of Africa.
One of these days, back to Europe, when it becomes another Zim or Mozambique.
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WHEN AMERICA FINALLY GETS IT ASS NUKED IT WILL LEARN TO MIND ITS OWN GOD DAMN BUSINESS. EVERY TIME I READ THE NEWS THERE IS ANOTHER DISTURBANCE IN THE WORLD AND AMERICA IS BEHIND IT....MEANWHILE FOURTH WORLD AMERICA SITS IN ITS OWN SQUALOR AND IDIOCY WHILE ITS DEBT BURIES IT AND CHINA OVER RUNS IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
Hey look everyone black guy that hates america cause he's black is back
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Lets hope it doesnt escalate. Russia is a sleeping giant you dont wanna fuck with. Not quite Iraq...
HEHEHEEH!!
And you think Russia will be willing to go to war with USA. Give me a break. If those 2 countries get into it, neither will win. They both will nuke each other till kingdom come.
They both know this. You obviously don't. That is why neither will start anything.
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Another country about to explode into oblivion on the southern tip of Africa.
One of these days, back to Europe, when it becomes another Zim or Mozambique.
Ik begrijpe. I am sorry to hear that.
I have a friend who is one of the lost ones, driven from Rhodesia after the Bush War. Sad stuff.
I fear that day is soon to arrive. Good luck. :)
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Hey look everyone black guy that hates america cause he's black is back
LOL!!!
When America gets its ass nuked!!! HEHEHE!! As if there wouldn't be any retaliation from USA if that were to happen.
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They found oil in Georgia?
Nope just looking for Weapons of Mass Destruction. ;)
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It was always about oil pipelines...primarily. Anything else is just an add on for the story.
Correct.
Same with afghanistan and iraq.
taleban were in charge of afghanistan. cheney, as ceo of haliburton, helped negotiate an oil pipeline deal BEFORE he became VP.
The taleban kept our $43 million, and signed with another oil company. we told UK and India in june to get their men out - war in afghanistan would be mid-october.
sure enough, 911 gave us a legit reason to invade. we now own that pipeline.
same with iraq - sorta - saddam tried to drop the dollar.
same with iran - they just dropped the dollar.
georgia oil pipeline is all that matters here. Does anyone, after all we've seen in the last 7 years, that our efforts there are for humanitarian reasons? LMAO...
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I bet you had never even heard of Georgia before last week ::)
Can you blame us.....it is certainly not as popular as Dubai, India......
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Correct.
Same with afghanistan and iraq.
taleban were in charge of afghanistan. cheney, as ceo of haliburton, helped negotiate an oil pipeline deal BEFORE he became VP.
The taleban kept our $43 million, and signed with another oil company. we told UK and India in june to get their men out - war in afghanistan would be mid-october.
sure enough, 911 gave us a legit reason to invade. we now own that pipeline.
same with iraq - sorta - saddam tried to drop the dollar.
same with iran - they just dropped the dollar.
georgia oil pipeline is all that matters here. Does anyone, after all we've seen in the last 7 years, that our efforts there are for humanitarian reasons? LMAO...
This "war for oil" talk is bullshit.
I'm so tried of reading this crap.
It has cost hundreds of billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands lives in Iraq and Afghanistan over the last five years. Not to mention what these wars have done to the American economy.
240, have you ever thought it would be much cheaper just to buy the f*cking oil.
Jesus Christ. ::)
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Instead of sending a C-17 cargo jet...
probably would've been more helpful to send an AC-130 Gunship
That's an apache using his front guns.
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It was nice knowning all off you when we all nuke each other over some 3rd world shithole.
Start ringing up those credit cards boys!
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Georgia started attacking civilians, because they voiced their displeasure at being a part of Georgia,and wanting independence.
Those civilians were Russian passport-holders, so Russia retaliated and helped evacuate them.
Georgia declares cease-fire, and breaks it the next day, by attacking the evacuating civilians.
Georgians are commiting genocide.
Russians are helping their own people and protecting them.
Why is the USA and Bush taking the Georgian side?
The Russian side is NOT getting much press by the media, good pts here, thanks.
Plus, how in the world can the USA now claim on MORAL grounds that Russia can't invade/attack another nation, after we did even worse with Iraq? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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I bet you had never even heard of Georgia before last week ::)
Ok this is kinda funny. I live near Atlanta, Georgia USA.
When the Russia- Georgia conflict first broke out I was working out in my local gym.
This one redneck looked up at the news crawl on one the gym video TV's and read that Russia was bombing Georgia. He looked at me and said " Damn Howard, LOOK! The damn russians are bombin' Georgia, I wonder how close to Atlanta they are?"
I tried to conceal my laughter, and told him the Georgia being bombed was a small country , south of Russia.
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Hey look everyone black guy that hates america cause he's black is back
WOW YOUANDME...I have to relegate you to the LOW IQ room along with DEBUSSEY. After some electroshock therapy and proper medication you may be fit to dwell in the dog house in the trailer park. Otherwise a quick euthanization would be fitting...No need letting genetic failures REPRODUCE...bad for the environment...you knowwhat I mean?
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Ok this is kinda funny. I live near Atlanta, Georgia USA.
When the Russia- Georgia conflict first broke out I was working out in my local gym.
This one redneck looked up at the news crawl on one the gym video TV's and read that Russia was bombing Georgia. He looked at me and said " Damn Howard, LOOK! The damn russians are bombin' Georgia, I wonder how close to Atlanta they are?"
I tried to conceal my laughter, and told him the Georgia being bombed was a small country , south of Russia.
hahahaha funniest shit I've seen all day.
Putin is a sick mofo.
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This "war for oil" talk is bullshit.
I'm so tried of reading this crap.
It has cost hundreds of billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands lives in Iraq and Afghanistan over the last five years. Not to mention what these wars have done to the American economy.
240, have you ever thought it would be much cheaper just to buy the f*cking oil.
Jesus Christ. ::)
you are a geopolitical genius.
I will call alan greenspan, who said the war was about controlling oil sales.
I will tell him he was wrong.
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you are a geopolitical genius.
I will call alan greenspan, who said the war was about controlling oil sales.
I will tell him he was wrong.
Again, it would have been much cheaper to buy the oil.
Greenspan "believed" which is his opinion, not facts, that Saddam Hussein posed a threat to the security of oil supplies in the Middle East. That is one mans opinion.
We invaded Afghanistan and Iraq because terrorists took down the world trade centers and killed 4000 American civilians. We should invaded a few other country's as well.
You need to stop reading all the conspiracy bullshit on the internet.
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Again, it would have been much cheaper to buy the oil.
Greenspan "believed" which is his opinion, not facts, that Saddam Hussein posed a threat to the security of oil supplies in the Middle East. That is one mans opinion.
We invaded Afghanistan and Iraq because terrorists took down the world trade centers and killed 4000 American civilians. We should invaded a few other country's as well.
You need to stop reading all the conspiracy bullshit on the internet.
You think too LOGICALLY for this board Kerr.... Keep in mind the mentality here is that of the typical flag waving american, meaning LOW IQ, so your point will not be accepted or understood.
YOU ARE CORRECT THOUGH...IT IS CHEAPER TO JUST BUY THE DAMN OIL, but take a long look at the mentality in Washington? Does it look like they would bring themselves to think in that manner??? Truth is Washington wants FREE OIL!!!! And it is willing to sacrafice plenty of american lives in an attempt to achieve that end....which it won't.
The masses will however suffer greatly over this as the cards are already set for TOTAL ECONOMIC COLLAPSE IN AMERICA and with no foundation of development or manufacturing anymore to resusitate, this collapse will truly be FINAL!!! Add to this the MASSIVE amount of MONEY america owes the world...it will be at that time that these nations will do one of two things...They will either nuke and bomb america into OBLIVION or they will divide the nation into parts which will come under UN control or the control of nations such as RUSSIA, CHINA, JAPAN, EUROPE and THE MIDDLE EAST of which america OWES TRILLIONS TO.
Time to stock up on ROSETTA STONE LANGUAGE COURSES, cuz many languages will need to be learned and you don't know in which provence you will reside and under which countries control and customs you will be subject to.
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samson i sent you a pm bro
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samson i sent you a pm bro
I DON"T ACCEPT LOVER LETTERS OR REQUESTS TO SUCK MY DICK....
IT WILL BE DELETED AS SOON AS I GET AROUND TO LOOKING AT MY MESSAGES.
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please bomb moscow my fellow americans :(
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You think too LOGICALLY for this board Kerr.... Keep in mind the mentality here is that of the typical flag waving american, meaning LOW IQ, so your point will not be accepted or understood.
YOU ARE CORRECT THOUGH...IT IS CHEAPER TO JUST BUY THE DAMN OIL, but take a long look at the mentality in Washington? Does it look like they would bring themselves to think in that manner??? Truth is Washington wants FREE OIL!!!! And it is willing to sacrafice plenty of american lives in an attempt to achieve that end....which it won't.
The masses will however suffer greatly over this as the cards are already set for TOTAL ECONOMIC COLLAPSE IN AMERICA and with no foundation of development or manufacturing anymore to resusitate, this collapse will truly be FINAL!!! Add to this the MASSIVE amount of MONEY america owes the world...it will be at that time that these nations will do one of two things...They will either nuke and bomb america into OBLIVION or they will divide the nation into parts which will come under UN control or the control of nations such as RUSSIA, CHINA, JAPAN, EUROPE and THE MIDDLE EAST of which america OWES TRILLIONS TO.
Time to stock up on ROSETTA STONE LANGUAGE COURSES, cuz many languages will need to be learned and you don't know in which provence you will reside and under which countries control and customs you will be subject to.
Thanks! ;D
I needed a good laugh.
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you need balls big balls to bomb Russia
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If we fought a non-nuclear war (stalemate , everyone dies) with Russia on her borders then we would get pwned worse than you can believe. It would make the Vietcong handing us our ass look like a holiday.
Bush couldn't order a fucking meal. These dickwads in power need to go fight these wars themselves.
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why do i have a feeling vladimir putin is trying bring the glory back to mother russia
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you need balls big balls to bomb Russia
Along with an empty brain and a leader with no regard for the lives of others. Hey wait......
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Sigh....
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HEHEHEEH!!
And you think Russia will be willing to go to war with USA. Give me a break. If those 2 countries get into it, neither will win. They both will nuke each other till kingdom come.
They both know this. You obviously don't. That is why neither will start anything.
It doesn' take a rocket scientist to figure out neither would want a real conflict.
The words I used were: escalate and conflict, I didn't mention attack, war nor destruction.
Russia can make things difficult for anyone without agression, it stems from being a real superpower and having real clout. Thats why they don't need to threaten nor get involved in every little issue ala world police...
Hence the term sleeping giant.
What do you know that I know or dont know? Stick to what you know ;)
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Again, it would have been much cheaper to buy the oil.
Greenspan "believed" which is his opinion, not facts, that Saddam Hussein posed a threat to the security of oil supplies in the Middle East. That is one mans opinion.
We invaded Afghanistan and Iraq because terrorists took down the world trade centers and killed 4000 American civilians. We should invaded a few other country's as well.
You need to stop reading all the conspiracy bullshit on the internet.
It's been proven that Iraq had nothing to do with the world trade centers.
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It's been proven that Iraq had nothing to do with the world trade centers.
Germany had nothing to do with the bombing of Pearl Harbor.
That didn't stop us from leveling their country.
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Germany had nothing to do with the bombing of Pearl Harbor.
That didn't stop us from leveling their country.
Germany and Japan had a wartime alliance.
What connection did Iraq have with Al-Quida?
Oh yes, none, that's right. The pentagon and CIA have confirmed this repeatedly.
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Germany had nothing to do with the bombing of Pearl Harbor.
That didn't stop us from leveling their country.
The threads on the bolts which fixed the propeller on the Japanese planes were made by a machine which was designed in Germany.
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George "Slim Pickens" Bush having his last hurrah - hes such a cu*t he cant pass the torch on so hes choosing to test out his 4 minute warning switch. The man is just as inept as that fucker Reagan.
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Germany and Japan had a wartime alliance.
What connection did Iraq have with Al-Quida?
Oh yes, none, that's right. The pentagon and CIA have confirmed this repeatedly.
Do you know anything about American history?
Stop reading conspiracy theories and start reading about the history of our country.
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Do you know anything about American history?
Stop reading conspiracy theories and start reading about the history of our country.
I'll ask again.
What connection did Al-Q have with Iraq?
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I'll ask again.
What connection did Al-Q have with Iraq?
I'll ask you again.
Do you know anything about American history?
How many conflicts have we been in with other country's that have done nothing to the American people?
What is one of the first topics taught in elementary school? American wars.
War is the American way.
The Iraq war has nothing to do with oil. If it did, we would not be paying almost $4.00 a gallon for gas.
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The Iraq war has nothing to do with oil.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bush+admits+iraq+war+about+oil
On the first page of google results, you can see the actual quotes where Bush, mcCain, and Greenspan all admit the war was about oil.
End of thread.
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i dont think putins loosing any sleep about the comments from the moron/halfwit bush........
the sooner u get an intelligent president in the better..
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bush+admits+iraq+war+about+oil
On the first page of google results, you can see the actual quotes where Bush, mcCain, and Greenspan all admit the war was about oil.
End of thread.
Those pages do not say we invaded Iraq for oil.
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;D ;D Georgia thought it was a good idea to send combat troops into Iraq. ;D ;D Don't they enjoy combat troops in their cities?
Georgia got kicked in the nuts. ;D
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you are a geopolitical genius.
I will call alan greenspan, who said the war was about controlling oil sales.
I will tell him he was wrong.
HAHA ;D
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Again, it would have been much cheaper to buy the oil.
You're just missing it.....
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You're just missing it.....
What I'm I missing?
Debating with kids on the internet that don't know shit? ::)
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What I'm I missing?
Debating with kids on the internet that don't know shit? ::)
What exactly was the point of Iraq, if I mak ask?
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What exactly was the point of Iraq, if I mak ask?
To have $4.00 per gallon gasoline and to buy barrels of oil at $140.00 and ruin the American economy.
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To have $4.00 per gallon gasoline and to buy barrels of oil at $140.00 and ruin the American economy.
Whose intention exactly was that?
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Whose intention exactly was that?
Well, the war is about oil and have lower oil prices.
It's an "oil war."
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To have $4.00 per gallon gasoline and to buy barrels of oil at $140.00 and ruin the American economy.
HAHA ;D
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Well, the war is about oil and have lower oil prices.
It's an "oil war."
You are contradicting yourself man.
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You are contradicting yourself man.
I'm being factious. ::)
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Well, the war is about oil and have lower oil prices.
It's an "oil war."
YOU HAVE PTSD ON THE BRAIN KERR
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I'm being factious. ::)
Do get to your point please...
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(http://users.skynet.be/fa018426/Georgia.jpg)
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Georgia owned ;D
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georgia got big balls to attack a country like russia.
did they think they were honestly going to win
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georgia stepped out of line and started this whole thing, then russia put them in their place and made an example out of them. sounds right to me imo.
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The war in Iraq is about oil...but it's not about getting it cheaper to American citizens, not when BIg Oil is making record profits (thanks Bush/Cheney). It's not even about getting the Oil out of the ground. It's just about controlling the largest untapped reserve in the world. We don't have to pump it. Controlling the ground it occupies gives the US veto power over the European Union and the growing Asian powers.
The Problem for you Mark Kerr is your assumption that American foreign policy is designed to help or protect average citizens...it isn't. It hasn't been since the Spanish American war.
Sorry friend...welcome to the world of the real
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The war in Iraq is about oil...but it's not about getting it cheaper to American citizens, not when BIg Oil is making record profits (thanks Bush/Cheney). It's not even about getting the Oil out of the ground. It's just about controlling the largest untapped reserve in the world. We don't have to pump it. Controlling the ground it occupies gives the US veto power over the European Union and the growing Asian powers.
The Problem for you Mark Kerr is your assumption that American foreign policy is designed to help or protect average citizens...it isn't. It hasn't been since the Spanish American war.
Sorry friend...welcome to the world of the real
::)
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This is a really good documentary.
It's called "Why We Fight."
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=why+we+fight&hl=en&emb=0#
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This could get really bad.
Or, it could turn out we intend it to, really good.
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"Here let me just help start WW 111, before I leave office. I havent quite done enough!"
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The war in Iraq is about oil...but it's not about getting it cheaper to American citizens
The Problem for you Mark Kerr is your assumption that American foreign policy is designed to help or protect average citizens...it isn't.
bingo
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bingo
No. ::)
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No. ::)
haha ;D
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haha ;D
People will believe what they want, regardless of evidence...human nature...and another reason the elite need to get off of this gravity well of a planet in into outer space so we can continue to evolve. :D