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...41 years old, world record holder
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I didnt see it swim so do me a favour and post a picture of this creature so i can comment on your question... :)
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yes I do. She trains, eats, recovers right.
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...41 years old, world record holder
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What do you think? What kinds of drugs do you think she's on?
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didnt she set a world record like 8 years ago though? She achieved a silver on a relay team in this Olympics
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Gayer than
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doesn't seem that gay to me hes singing about banging a girl singing in front of girls, quite the opposite actually your posting about a guy in front of all guys hmm :-\
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The guy on the right is managing her drug intake:
(http://uscnews.usc.edu/Publication_JPGS/2005/Apr/pic1_11229.jpg)
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What do you think? What kinds of drugs do you think she's on?
I would love to say 'no'.
But, she seems too good to be true to me.
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here's she is..
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;D ;D
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yes I do. She trains, eats, recovers right.
I agree with this 100%..........but if you ask GH15 she's on everything under the sun and swimming is just a cover up.
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I agree with this 100%..........but if you ask GH15 she's on everything under the sun and swimming is just a cover up.
::) ::)
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Yes.
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I agree with this 100%..........but if you ask GH15 she's on everything under the sun and swimming is just a cover up.
Would you say the Chinese female swimmers are also 100% drug free if they aren't caught in the tests?
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Would you say the Chinese female swimmers are also 100% drug free if they aren't caught in the tests?
I actually thought about last night as I was watching them. My thought is, even if they were on gear (and I do think some might be) the Chinese government would cover it up.
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I actually thought about last night as I was watching them. My thought is, even if they were on gear (and I do think some might be) the Chinese government would cover it up.
So you feel that successful doping today requires a government funded institutionalized doping program? I do agree that it's hard to dope today but consider how Balco managed to successfully dope American athletes until a snitch ruined it. Marion Jones passed 180 tests while on drugs! If the will is there you can do it without extreme funds as the Balco scandal proved. Is swimming less dirty than track & field?
I do believe the Chinese are heavily doped though. Just imagine the resources they have available for a sophisticated program!
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So you feel that successful doping today requires a government funded institutionalized doping program? I do agree that it's hard to dope today but consider how Balco managed to successfully dope American athletes until a snitch ruined it. Marion Jones passed 180 tests while on drugs! If the will is there you can do it without extreme funds as the Balco scandal proved. Is swimming less dirty than track & field?
I do believe the Chinese are heavily doped though. Just imagine the resources they have available for a sophisticated program!
Thats a great point and truthfully never thought of it that way and could very well be a possibility. But IMO, since the Balco situation I would have to guess that testing would be much more stringent than ever before. Plus you have a person who puts more into her training as an individual than anyone her age so she has that much more to prove. I would like to think she wouldn't put herself in that type of a situation.
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Why is Torres WAAAYYYY leaner than all the rest of the women?
She is even leaner than most of the men. Most of those girls, even the ones winning medals have a good deal of bodyfat on them, yet Torres is extremely lean, and over 40.
Odd.
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here's she is..
Look at her manly facial structure..End of story
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But IMO, since the Balco situation I would have to guess that testing would be much more stringent than ever before.
Remember that the Balco athletes weren't busted due to WADA's efforts primary but due to a snitch. The testing is extremely stringent to be sure but if there's a will there's a way. In the recent Tour the France a cyclist was busted for a new form of EPO because the drug manufacturer had inserted a tracer in the drug, unbeknownst to the athlete. The drug itself was not picked up on! Solution = buy the drug from an Asian manufacturer. As far as I know no one has been busted for GH yet either. Same for insulin - don't think they are even bothering to look for that one either.
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Remember that the Balco athletes weren't busted due to WADA's efforts primary but due to a snitch. The testing is extremely stringent to be sure but if there's a will there's a way. In the recent Tour the France a cyclist was busted for a new form of EPO because the drug manufacturer had inserted a tracer in the drug, unbeknownst to the athlete. The drug itself was not picked up on! As far as I know no one has been busted for GH yet either. Same for insulin - don't think they are even bothering to look for that one either.
there were talks from congress people about there being a test for GH for this coming Olympics..Guess they are unaware of the half life of GH.. ;D
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Look at her manly facial structure..End of story
That's just becuase she's so much leaner than everyone else, she has more visibility to her cheekbones.
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here's she is..
On this picture, she looks as if she just jumped out of bed.
And no, she's not natural. End of story.
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So you feel that successful doping today requires a government funded institutionalized doping program? I do agree that it's hard to dope today but consider how Balco managed to successfully dope American athletes until a snitch ruined it. Marion Jones passed 180 tests while on drugs! If the will is there you can do it without extreme funds as the Balco scandal proved. Is swimming less dirty than track & field?
I do believe the Chinese are heavily doped though. Just imagine the resources they have available for a sophisticated program!
Check mate!
Can't argue with that...tests these days are joke!
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Thats a great point and truthfully never thought of it that way and could very well be a possibility. But IMO, since the Balco situation I would have to guess that testing would be much more stringent than ever before. Plus you have a person who puts more into her training as an individual than anyone her age so she has that much more to prove. I would like to think she wouldn't put herself in that type of a situation.
Just as you always say concerning health care...who's gonna pay for it???
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Just as you always say concerning health care...who's gonna pay for it???
US Olympic committee...easily
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US Olympic committee...easily
HA sure they will ::)
Cause they can't sleep at night knowing some athletes aren't clean, right? ::) Drug testing is merely for the general public, that's all. So YOU can rest easy at night. :-*
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there were talks from congress people about there being a test for GH for this coming Olympics..Guess they are unaware of the half life of GH.. ;D
They said the test was ready for the 2000 Olympics. Until the first failure and first successful defense of the reliability of it in court there is no test.
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RIn the recent Tour the France a cyclist was busted for a new form of EPO because the drug manufacturer had inserted a tracer in the drug, unbeknownst to the athlete. The drug itself was not picked up on!
Van B,
At first the presence of a tracer was mentioned, but the drug's maker Roche came out and said no there wasn't. They just sent the drug to the testing labs before it was publicly released, so they could come up with a test for it. I can't find the official Roche statement, but here is a link describing the new form of EPO (Mircera) , and the TDF business (it's about halfway down the page):
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2008/tour08/news/?id=/news/2008/jul08/jul18news (http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2008/tour08/news/?id=/news/2008/jul08/jul18news)
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I hear Dana Torres mentioned a lot, but nobody is bringing up other older athletes at the games. For example Jeannie Longo, a 49 year old French cyclist, just missed a bronze medal by 1.5 seconds in the woman's cycling time trial.
And no, I don' think she is on dope. She has been leading this sport for 25 years! But unless there is a positive test or a confession, you can't prove a thing either way. Problem is, a lot of people are tarred and feathered as drug users for no other reason than they are damn good at their sport. Such is the pharmaceutical era.
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Van B,
At first the presence of a tracer was mentioned, but the drug's maker Roche came out and said no there wasn't. They just sent the drug to the testing labs before it was publicly released, so they could come up with a test for it. I can't find the official Roche statement, but here is a link describing the new form of EPO (Mircera) , and the TDF business (it's about halfway down the page):
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2008/tour08/news/?id=/news/2008/jul08/jul18news (http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2008/tour08/news/?id=/news/2008/jul08/jul18news)
Alright. Though I think, being a skeptic, that it's possible they added a marker for other purposes and the denial is semantic to discourage use. WADA has lied about having a test for GH for a long time too, like I mentioned before.
From a cycling forum:
From my understanding of it and talking to a biological chemist Roche have apparently placed a genetic marker in the drug for tracing. This tracing I gather was mainly for checking the effects of the drug in the body but they also notified the relevant sporting organisations that it can be detected during drug testing.