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I just watched the conversations with both senators Obama and McCain. This was the best debate format that I have ever seen. Who says Christians can't be objective about the issues? This was fantastic. I want to give both of these presidential candidates my utmost respect for agreeing to sit down and discuss issues with a pastor. Thanks to both of them. The MSM could learn a thing or two from this event.
That being said, I thought John McCain dominated the answers tonight. Now, I have to admit that I'm biased about what McCain's answers were, and I'm sure those who are Obama fans feel like he hit a home run. The difference for me personally, is that going into tonight debate setting, I was not a big fan of John McCain. But where a vote be held at this very moment. I would not choose 'none of the above', but rather I would check Sen. John McCain.
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AGREED!
The questions were great. The set-up was flawless, a perfect controlled enviroment, neither candidates got hit with any flawed questions.
It was really good, and I really hope to see the two of them in a real live town hall debate format. McCain had some tremoundous answers, I was only dissapointed to hear him say "this would be my last story, I promise" haha.
I can't believe how Obama answered the questions "Why do you want to be president?" and the childbirth question, he swung out terribly on the way he handled that question.
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I just watched the conversations with both senators Obama and McCain. This was the best debate format that I have ever seen. Who says Christians can't be objective about the issues? This was fantastic. I want to give both of these presidential candidates my utmost respect for agreeing to sit down and discuss issues with a pastor. Thanks to both of them. The MSM could learn a thing or two from this event.
That being said, I thought John McCain dominated the answers tonight. Now, I have to admit that I'm biased about what McCain's answers were, and I'm sure those who are Obama fans feel like he hit a home run. The difference for me personally, is that going into tonight debate setting, I was not a big fan of John McCain. But where a vote be held at this very moment. I would not choose 'none of the above', but rather I would check Sen. John McCain.
Missed it. What specific questions and answers had the biggest impact on you?
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"I don't want to take any money from the rich. I want everybody to get rich," McCain said. "I don't want to raise anybody's taxes. I really don't."
"We have to have work as a centerpiece of any social policy," Obama said.
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Missed it. What specific questions and answers had the biggest impact on you?
For me it was this question: Which of the current supreme court justices would you have least likely nominated and why?
McCain answered that he would have not nominated Ginsberg, Souter, and Stevens, and would be more likely nominate strict constructionist judges like Alito and Roberts.
Obama said he would not have nominated Thomas, Scalia, and though he gave him props, he wouldn't have nominated John Roberts.
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For me it was this question: Which of the current supreme court justices would you have least likely nominated and why?
McCain answered that he would have not nominated Ginsberg, Souter, and Stevens, and would be more likely nominate strict constructionist judges like Alito and Roberts.
Obama said he would not have nominated Thomas, Scalia, and though he gave him props, he wouldn't have nominated John Roberts.
geeze la fucking uise dude. Just say that mccain wouldn't nominate the liberal/progressive and nominate conservatives. Constructionist? LOL... ::)
what a fucktardish question to ask anyways. Do they think we're that dumbified?
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geeze la fucking uise dude. Just say that mccain wouldn't nominate the liberal/progressive and nominate conservatives. Constructionist? LOL... ::)
what a fucktardish question to ask anyways. Do they think we're that dumbified?
Do you share the same heroes as Obama? His grandmother, mother, and wife?
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"I don't want to take any money from the rich. I want everybody to get rich," McCain said. "I don't want to raise anybody's taxes. I really don't."
"We have to have work as a centerpiece of any social policy," Obama said.
I haven't seen it yet
did McCain pledge to the Rev and God that he wouldn't raise taxes?
did the Rev follow up with any questions about how McCain would raise taxes...if he had to.... ?
my guess is he would start at the bottom aka some form of increase in payroll tax
the tax "issue" is pretty simple to figure out
just look at your paystub
If you don't have a paystub you're already voting for McBush
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Do you share the same heroes as Obama? His grandmother, mother, and wife?
look at hannity jr. here ::)
yes i share they're views, hardcore baby. Now tell me why i'm bad and why my views harm the innocent, precious america ::)
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look at hannity jr. here ::)
yes i share they're views, hardcore baby. Now tell me why i'm bad and why my views harm the innocent, precious america ::)
So many eye rolls, does your forehead have wrinkles?
Speaking of heads, Obama's is hurting tonight after that blubbering knockout performance.
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I haven't seen it yet
did McCain pledge to the Rev and God that he wouldn't raise taxes?
did the Rev follow up with any questions about how McCain would raise taxes...if he had to.... ?
my guess is he would start at the bottom aka some form of increase in payroll tax
the tax "issue" is pretty simple to figure out
just look at your paystub
If you don't have a paystub you're already voting for McBush
It doesnt matter who gets in Obama or McCain they will raise taxes on the middle class...mark my words
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So many eye rolls, does your forehead have wrinkles?
Speaking of heads, Obama's is hurting tonight after that blubbering knockout performance.
yes im rolling my eyes. It's a fuct question dude. If i answer your question with a yes, than you would give me your opinion on why i'm wrong and why my views are everything thats bad in america. If i answer no, you would give me some info that i already knew and expect me to believe you can do no wrong. stop it
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yes im rolling my eyes. It's a fuct question dude. If i answer your question with a yes, than you would give me your opinion on why i'm wrong and why my views are everything thats bad in america. If i answer no, you would give me some info that i already knew and expect me to believe you can do no wrong. stop it
Calm yourself, and remember it's always darkest before dawn.
I expect Obama's heroes to help him dust himself off, and continue on the downward campaign trail.
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"I don't want to take any money from the rich. I want everybody to get rich," McCain said. "I don't want to raise anybody's taxes. I really don't."
"We have to have work as a centerpiece of any social policy," Obama said.
Both good quotes, especially McCain's comments.
One of the problems I have with liberals and their views about money is they talk about helping people just get by, when they should be talking about how to help people build wealth.
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For me it was this question: Which of the current supreme court justices would you have least likely nominated and why?
McCain answered that he would have not nominated Ginsberg, Souter, and Stevens, and would be more likely nominate strict constructionist judges like Alito and Roberts.
Obama said he would not have nominated Thomas, Scalia, and though he gave him props, he wouldn't have nominated John Roberts.
Yeah. Huge issue that isn't talked about much (Supreme Court appointments). Stevens probably goes during the next term. Ginsberg is 75 so should could be getting close too.
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WOW everytime ive seen McCain on tv he has looked uncomfortable and awkward but this guy owned the shit tonight he looked confident and in his own enviroment and Obama looked uncomfortable and unsure. Obama made very little eye contact with the host and his body language seemed like he was uncomfortable.
Anybody pick up on this or was it just me
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Both good quotes, especially McCain's comments.
One of the problems I have with liberals and their views about money is they talk about helping people just get by, when they should be talking about how to help people build wealth.
Yeah, but if you can try to pull it up on youtube or something. Maybe they will reply it.
McCain's answers were short, but the responses in regards to the questions of "evil", and his philosophy oh Christianity were great. I loved the untold story, of him sharing a moment of faith with his Vietnam captors.
The "Why do you want to be president" perfect answer.
He came across as a down to earth guy, that could share a joke.
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I just watched the conversations with both senators Obama and McCain. This was the best debate format that I have ever seen. Who says Christians can't be objective about the issues? This was fantastic. I want to give both of these presidential candidates my utmost respect for agreeing to sit down and discuss issues with a pastor. Thanks to both of them. The MSM could learn a thing or two from this event.
That being said, I thought John McCain dominated the answers tonight. Now, I have to admit that I'm biased about what McCain's answers were, and I'm sure those who are Obama fans feel like he hit a home run. The difference for me personally, is that going into tonight debate setting, I was not a big fan of John McCain. But where a vote be held at this very moment. I would not choose 'none of the above', but rather I would check Sen. John McCain.
thanks. your opinion is very thought-provoking.
NOT. ::)
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WOW everytime ive seen McCain on tv he has looked uncomfortable and awkward but this guy owned the shit tonight he looked confident and in his own enviroment and Obama looked uncomfortable and unsure. Obama made very little eye contact with the host and his body language seemed like he was uncomfortable.
Anybody pick up on this or was it just me
Just you, "mctones."
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Just you, "mctones."
so you dont think that mccain came out and shocked alot of ppl with his performance tonight...CNN seems to think he did quite well.
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He came across as a down to earth guy, that could share a joke.
are you fucking kidding me?
who ever it is, is going to be the next president. More than likely he is the farthest away from Earth like every other president before him. Why do you fall for this? The last guy was elected twice because so many thought they could enjoy a dumb joke and beer with the man, now look at the world. Give me a break, It's the president not your little buddy.
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are you fucking kidding me?
who ever it is, is going to be the next president. More than likely he is the farthest away from Earth like every other president before him. Why do you fall for this? The last guy was elected twice because so many thought they could enjoy a dumb joke and beer with the man, now look at the world. Give me a break, It's the president not your little buddy.
Ah, yeah I could crack open a nice one with McCain, and ask him to tell me his views on the world. Then afterwards we could go hunting or something, or watch a sporting event. Then offer him a nice contribution to the GOP, for doing the right thing.
Maybe go hang out with hi sons and ask his daughter, what she is up to, remind her not to get into any trouble. Also thank him for both of his son's service to their country.
Yep, McCain, the man America needs.
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what and then he would shoot you and you would apologize? ::)
it's kang and kodos up on stage anyway they're all on the same team.
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what and then he would shoot you and you would apologize? ::)
hahaha.
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what and then he would shoot you and you would apologize? ::)
it's kang and kodos up on stage anyway they're all on the same team.
Sure, we will all still have our guns, since Osama won't be in office. Also I will have private healthcare, so no problems on going to the hospital. Heck he saved me tons of $$ with his tax plan, and not raising CGT, hell I'll take one for the HOMETEAM.
I'd play it off as an accident....Johnny is always joking around. Plus a little buck shot never hurt no body.
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if mccain ever fired a shotgun, the recoil would kill his decrepit ass instantly.
Hmmm. I hope somebody takes him hunting soon.
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if mccain ever fired a shotgun, the recoil would kill his decrepit ass instantly.
Hmmm. I hope somebody takes him hunting soon.
wow.
pretty sad thoughts you have talking about an American veteran like this.
What does this statement imply exactly?
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wow.
pretty sad thoughts you have talking about an American veteran like this.
What does this statement imply exactly?
I'm sure someone with a head as big as yours will figure it out.
sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here
thanks to the idiots who voted the current genius in
twice. ::)
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Pretty sad McCain is a presidential candidate. He should be out chasing chickens on the farm or something. Not running for president.
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I'm sure someone with a head as big as yours will figure it out.
Sorry I wish my head was big, as to encode your statement, can't seem to figure it out. Why don't you lay it out for me....here it is again....
if mccain ever fired a shotgun, the recoil would kill his decrepit ass instantly.
Hmmm. I hope somebody takes him hunting soon.
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as to encode your statement, can't seem to figure it out.
quit trying to sound like an intellectual . . . ."encode your statement" ::)
it just makes you sound like a dumb ass try-er.
Wanna lay some more Locke on me, or was it Hobbes that you're an authority on? ::)
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Pretty sad McCain is a presidential candidate. He should be out chasing chickens on the farm or something. Not running for president.
I'm trying to encode your statement, but I'm having difficulty enciphering your rhetoric.
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how come there was not one question about russia/georgia? fucking preposterous
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how come there was not one question about russia/georgia? fucking preposterous
Is georgia on your mind?
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quit trying to sound like an intellectual . . . ."encode your statement" ::)
it just makes you sound like a dumb ass try-er.
Wanna lay some more Locke on me, or was it Hobbes that you're an authority on? ::)
So what did it mean?
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Wanna lay some more Locke on me, or was it Hobbes that you're an authority on? ::)
No not tonight. But I'm seriously impressed that you remembered that, perhaps you ended up reading one or the other.
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"I don't want to take any money from the rich. I want everybody to get rich," McCain said. "I don't want to raise anybody's taxes. I really don't."
Why won't mccain promise not to raise taxes?
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pretty sad thoughts you have talking about an American veteran like this.
What does this statement imply exactly?
Timothy McVeigh was a veteran.
What are you implying?
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Timothy McVeigh was a veteran.
What are you implying?
Surely you're not comparing McVeigh to McCain. Are you, 240?
Other than the fact they were both military veterans the comparison ends.
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Surely you're not comparing McVeigh to McCain. Are you, 240?
Other than the fact they were both military veterans the comparison ends.
youandme believes if you're categorized as a vet, you deserve respect.
pretty sad thoughts you have talking about an American veteran like this.
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I thought both did a good job but McCain came out the winner.
Obama gave insight into how he thinks about issues, intelligent guy but...very academic. Sometimes Obama talked around the answer. He also talked about sacrifice again...we are sacrificing now Barack, we don't want to wait 20 yrs for alternative fuels. I liked McCain's answer to energy much better...do everything we can now. They are both in agreement with alternative fuels, but McCain is in favor of nuclear & drilling now, which will make a difference in the next few yrs.
John McCain showed his knowledge, experience and was more direct with his responces.
Calmus, you obviously hate McCain but still surprising to me that your so disrespectful. See, I respect both of these guys...they both deserve it.
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Collosus, I agree. Being a Ron Paul supporter and Independent, I was thinking of obstaining from the vote because I was not a big fan of either. However, I agree with more of McCain's policies than Obama so I likely will be checking the box for McCain...I would not have said this a couple months ago.
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When speaking of taxes, they didn't mention capital gains, payroll taxes and dividends taxes. This means so much to businesses, business investors, particularly small businesses including mom & pop shops who are struggling. Also the inheritance tax and the marriage penalty tax. I think people who watched need to know Obama isn't just going to raise taxes on families making $250K and over, he is planning to raise taxes on all of the above. That is a very significant issue.
The other thing people fail to mention is that McCain will also lower taxes for the poor, just not quite as much. For McCain's plan to work, we better see a significant cut in federal spending...or else the deficit will rise.
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When speaking of taxes, they didn't mention capital gains, payroll taxes and dividends taxes. This means so much to businesses, business investors, particularly small businesses including mom & pop shops who are struggling. Also the inheritance tax and the marriage penalty tax. I think people who watched need to know Obama isn't just going to raise taxes on families making $250K and over, he is planning to raise taxes on all of the above. That is a very significant issue.
The other thing people fail to mention is that McCain will also lower taxes for the poor, just not quite as much. For McCain's plan to work, we better see a significant cut in federal spending...or else the deficit will rise.
What spending cuts will make up for the tremendous revenue shortfall that would come from McCain's promised tax cuts? Will he cut Social Security? ::) Of course the deficit will continue to skyrocket under a McCain administration. His promise to balance the budget by 2013 is complete bullshit.
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It doesnt matter who gets in Obama or McCain they will raise taxes on the middle class...mark my words
Obama has made it clear that he wouldn't (not that he couldn't be lying).
McCain has parsed his words (at least the quotes posted here) that you can't tell what he would do.
Saying he doesn't want to raise taxes is not the same as saying he will not raise taxes.
I think he (or someone) chose that phrasing very carefully.
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Obama has made it clear that he wouldn't (not that he couldn't be lying).
McCain has parsed his words (at least the quotes posted here) that you can't tell what he would do.
Saying he doesn't want to raise taxes is not the same as saying he will not raise taxes.
I think he (or someone) chose that phrasing very carefully.
and again both will raise taxes on the middle class this is where the money is in our country they cant get around it maybe mccain knows this and is why he is dancing around it while obama is flat out lying about it.
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McCain kicked his ass. Obama answered his question and didn't say anything wrong, he supported his position. But McCain has lived a more full and important life, he's done more. Obama used the vote on Iraq tas his toughest decision, um yeah but he wasn't in Congress, so what the hell is he talking about? The crowd like McCain more, but that was a given based on the audience. The format was great, u got honest answers based on what each guy felt, not on the others answes.
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McCain kicked his ass. Obama answered his question and didn't say anything wrong, he supported his position. But McCain has lived a more full and important life, he's done more.
In all fairness, Mccain is about 25 years older.
Of course he's more experienced. I'm sure Strom Thurmond or Byrd or one of those 90-year old senators has about 20 more years experience than Mccain. Are they better than Mccain because of it?
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Collosus, I agree. Being a Ron Paul supporter and Independent, I was thinking of obstaining from the vote because I was not a big fan of either. However, I agree with more of McCain's policies than Obama so I likely will be checking the box for McCain...I would not have said this a couple months ago.
Oh, really? ::) ROFL.
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Looking at the globalist socialist and the senile wannabe neocon we have running, I think we're all missing Ron Paul right about now.
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calmus, its true cause I voted for Ron Paul in the primary.
Hugo, I agree. Thats my concern as well. The deficit. Tax cuts must be met with spending cuts. Thats what I believe in but I am somewhat weary on how McCain will do this. However, as a small business owner, I can't have my taxes raised.
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calmus, its true cause I voted for Ron Paul in the primary.
Hugo, I agree. Thats my concern as well. The deficit. Tax cuts must be met with spending cuts. Thats what I believe in but I am somewhat weary on how McCain will do this. However, as a small business owner, I can't have my taxes raised.
Just a friendly pet peeve, but it is "wary", not "weary". :)
There are no spending cuts to match the level of tax cuts Bush has started and McCain will continue. It's not possible without cutting Social Security. If McCain admitted to considering cutting Social Security, his candidacy would be destroyed.
If you elect McCain, the deficit will continue to skyrocket upwards from the $500 billion it is at presently.
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"I don't want to take any money from the rich. I want everybody to get rich," McCain said.
Riiiiiiiiiight. ::)
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"I don't want to take any money from the rich. I want everybody to get rich," McCain said.
John Mccain wants everyone in america to be worth 5 million dollars.
What an idiotic fcvking statement.
First he says that $5,000,000 worth is considered rich.
Then he says he'd like to see everyone get rich.
So he'd like 310,000,000 Americans to all be worth 5 million bucks?
Does he not understand the insane economics behind this? Or, is he just using a generic promise he doesn't mean like "Everybody gets rich if you vote for me"?
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5 million was a joke. Guess you did not watch the real broadcast. haha
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When speaking of taxes, they didn't mention capital gains, payroll taxes and dividends taxes. This means so much to businesses, business investors, particularly small businesses including mom & pop shops who are struggling. Also the inheritance tax and the marriage penalty tax. I think people who watched need to know Obama isn't just going to raise taxes on families making $250K and over, he is planning to raise taxes on all of the above. That is a very significant issue.
The other thing people fail to mention is that McCain will also lower taxes for the poor, just not quite as much. For McCain's plan to work, we better see a significant cut in federal spending...or else the deficit will rise.
This is the absolute truth. Millions of Americans are going to get hit by Obama and a Democrat Congress.
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The other thing people fail to mention is that McCain will also lower taxes for the poor, just not quite as much. For McCain's plan to work, we better see a significant cut in federal spending...or else the deficit will rise.
Hey bro Fortune 500 had a piece just recently with Obama on the cover (not sure of the issue) anyways it did a side by side analysis Obama vs. McCain what you would pay depending on your income bracket, and the results showed that under Obama's plan those under 65k, etc.. would only be saving $200-7.00
His economic plan is centered around his public works projects, asking the questions "What needs to be done in order to do this?" he has such huge projects (welfare driven) everyone is going to get taxed, just the wealthy are going to get taxed even more.
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His economic plan is centered around his public works projects, asking the questions "What needs to be done in order to do this?" he has such huge projects (welfare driven) everyone is going to get taxed, just the wealthy are going to get taxed even more.
The CTer in me comes out when I see stuff like this.
If there hadn't been 9/11 or a war in Iraq would this all be an issue? I doubt it. You have neocons crying communist communist and then you have lefties jumping for joy because Obama will save Amerdica. Taxes are coming because of Bush & Co's wasteful spending. As if you couldn't see this happening. The way I look at it this seems orchestrated to make people dependent on government. Slowly but surely its coming to fruition. Obama is the perfect candidate for this situation. I'm not happy to say this but it's true. This is why I believe they work off of one another.
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The CTer in me comes out when I see stuff like this.
If there hadn't been 9/11 or a war in Iraq would this all be an issue? I doubt it. You have neocons crying communist communist and then you have lefties jumping for joy because Obama will save Amerdica. Taxes are coming because of Bush & Co's wasteful spending. As if you couldn't see this happening. The way I look at it this seems orchestrated to make people dependent on government. Slowly but surely its coming to fruition. Obama is the perfect candidate for this situation. I'm not happy to say this but it's true. This is why I believe they work off of one another.
Your talking about massive public spending projects right? Creating a welfare state?
Before thos events, Clinton had envisioned this also, (on a much smaller scale) but the major bond market players screwed all of his visions up, BIG TIME.
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bush wasted a shitload of money.
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This is the absolute truth. Millions of Americans are going to get hit by Obama and a Democrat Congress.
My wife surprised me with digital cable tv on Saturday. Shocked to death was more like it, so I got to see the questioning...it wasn't a debate.
Obama's tax hikes will hit the rich. Who are the rich? Like Obama said, the top 4% or so income earners---that's 250k+ per year.
Obama's income tax increase modestly hits only the rich.
Obama's payroll tax increase hits those earning above the SS wage base which is $102,000 for 2008. So the payroll tax cap for SS is removed.
Why tax the rich or well-to-do? That's where the money is. And lord knows, the country is in crushing debt.
We have to pay our bills.
We cannot continue the trend of borrow and spend. That's McCain's way and it is unsustainable.
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Obama's income tax increase modestly hits only the rich.
Math must not be your thing.
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Math must not be your thing.
It really isn't.
But I'm not going to put words in Obama's mouth. He said what he said.
The top 4% earners are not in the US's mainstream, middle-of-the road earning tier.
Isn't $54,000 the average household income? How does $250k+ income fit into that bracket? Those are the people targeted for a modest income tax increase.
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In all fairness, Mccain is about 25 years older.
Of course he's more experienced. I'm sure Strom Thurmond or Byrd or one of those 90-year old senators has about 20 more years experience than Mccain. Are they better than Mccain because of it?
Has anyone taken note of how quickly being President ages you? Regan, Clinton, both Bushes...
I think it is even more important now to know who Mccain's running mate will be.
I just realized, I am undecided...holy moly!
Sandra
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I'm a lifetime republican, voted Bush twice... and wow, mccain is just a 2nd tier candidate.
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Has anyone taken note of how quickly being President ages you? Regan, Clinton, both Bushes...
No crap. Looking at Clinton, and Bush, it's just like wow.
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My wife surprised me with digital cable tv on Saturday. Shocked to death was more like it, so I got to see the questioning...it wasn't a debate.
Obama's tax hikes will hit the rich. Who are the rich? Like Obama said, the top 4% or so income earners---that's 250k+ per year.
Obama's income tax increase modestly hits only the rich.
Obama's payroll tax increase hits those earning above the SS wage base which is $102,000 for 2008. So the payroll tax cap for SS is removed.
Why tax the rich or well-to-do? That's where the money is. And lord knows, the country is in crushing debt.
We have to pay our bills.
We cannot continue the trend of borrow and spend. That's McCain's way and it is unsustainable.
Decker, $250+ a year isn't rich. That's upper middle class in the Maryland/N. Virginia area. That tax will hit a lot of working families and retired military (who are still working) where I live. I simply can not afford to vote for this guy. He's taking away money from me to invest for my future and the future of my wife and kids.
As far as our county's crushing debt. What would any one of us do if we were in debt because we were spending more than we were taking in? Say, "Oh my God, I need to get a better paying job so I can spend more?" Unlikely. Any sane and responsible person would look at ways to spend less and re-prioritize how our money is pissed away.
Why should we, as taxpayers and voters, expect any less from the knobs we elect into office?
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Proves Obama cannot speak without a teleprompter and can't think without his handelers. He really made a total mess of himself. No wonder why he won't do a townhall with mcCain.
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Proves Obama cannot speak without a teleprompter and can't think without his handelers. He really made a total mess of himself. No wonder why he won't do a townhall with mcCain.
Did you catch what he was fixing to say when talking about supreme court jusitce Clarence? "He doesn't have enough...pause pause"
Almost said experience. That would have been great.
But hey at least he gets to msuese McCain's "Rich" comment, which was a joke. Haha such a sore loser.
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"I don't want to take any money from the rich. I want everybody to get rich," McCain said. "I don't want to raise anybody's taxes. I really don't."
dont really like the guy..
but i'm voting mccain def as of that nite
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dont really like the guy..
but i'm voting mccain def as of that nite
I know your pro choice, as am I in some instances, but what is your take on Obama voting no "for life support for babies born when induced abortions fail"?
Anyone else have an opinion on this matter?
He voted on it two seperate times, each vote against life support.
Barbara Boxer, your most likely familiar with her, strong pro choice, always voting for women's rights. Voting for these bills, saying it would be murder, and neglect of a medical professional to sit this baby in a sink (a nurse sits the baby in a sink as it cries itself to death).
That is sick.
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WOW everytime ive seen McCain on tv he has looked uncomfortable and awkward but this guy owned the shit tonight he looked confident and in his own enviroment and Obama looked uncomfortable and unsure. Obama made very little eye contact with the host and his body language seemed like he was uncomfortable.
Anybody pick up on this or was it just me
I totally picked up on that. I noticed how his posture wouldn't even allow him to look at the audience. Was not confident at all.
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Decker, $250+ a year isn't rich. That's upper middle class in the Maryland/N. Virginia area. That tax will hit a lot of working families and retired military (who are still working) where I live. I simply can not afford to vote for this guy. He's taking away money from me to invest for my future and the future of my wife and kids.
As far as our county's crushing debt. What would any one of us do if we were in debt because we were spending more than we were taking in? Say, "Oh my God, I need to get a better paying job so I can spend more?" Unlikely. Any sane and responsible person would look at ways to spend less and re-prioritize how our money is pissed away.
Why should we, as taxpayers and voters, expect any less from the knobs we elect into office?
Excellent quote. I've got a neighbor that pulls in $200k+/year, but they are struggling paycheck to paycheck. Just because you make $250K per year doesn't necessarily mean you're rich. A high income does not necessarily = wealth. This is a fact that speaks specifically to small business owners like my neighbor. That's the fact that I think those who are in favor of Obama's economic plan are not understanding.
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I know your pro choice, as am I in some instances, but what is your take on Obama voting no "for life support for babies born when induced abortions fail"?
Anyone else have an opinion on this matter?
He voted on it two seperate times, each vote against life support.
Barbara Boxer, your most likely familiar with her, strong pro choice, always voting for women's rights. Voting for these bills, saying it would be murder, and neglect of a medical professional to sit this baby in a sink (a nurse sits the baby in a sink as it cries itself to death).
That is sick.
All of the news channels are picking up on this. Pro-Choice voters really want to see the abortion issue go away from the debate arena, but it's just not going to happen. Information like this (Obama voting against a purely evil bill to allow doctors to literally kill babies that survive botched abortions) will be a very hot topic.
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John Mccain wants everyone in america to be worth 5 million dollars.
What an idiotic fcvking statement.
Rob, that was an off the cuff statment when he said that. It's like asking "What is rich" quick response "I dunno, how does $5mil sound"?
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Rob, that was an off the cuff statment when he said that. It's like asking "What is rich" quick response "I dunno, how does $5mil sound"?
He should still avoid them though.
Off-the-cuff statements from the most powerful man in the world carry a ton of weight. His casual statements about "bomb bomb iran' and 'why not make it 100 years' and 'never again will we fight a war for energy needs'.... they do a lot to recruit jihadists overseas.
If mccain is elected, Ahmedijnutbag will be able to say - with video proof - that the US president wants to bomb iran, bombed iraq for oil, and will be in the region for 100 years. That's an amazing recruitment tool for jihadists, and ensures his people vote to keep him in power.
Mccain has to be smarter than that. He has to be dignified and controlled. Act as if everything he say will end up in a textbook one day.
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Decker, $250+ a year isn't rich. That's upper middle class in the Maryland/N. Virginia area. That tax will hit a lot of working families and retired military (who are still working) where I live. I simply can not afford to vote for this guy. He's taking away money from me to invest for my future and the future of my wife and kids.
Obama talked about the context of what rich meant, i.e., taking into account that $250k is not the same in New York as it is in Crawfordsville, IN. Any tax will take away money from your pocket. I think you're right in pointing out that the problem is the runaway spending. However we keep re-electing these guys b/c they bring home the bacon--gov. largesse. Ultimately, this points back to the People. It's a vicious cycle--they spend too much but we re-elect them b/c they bring home the governmental spending.
True sacrifice is damn near dead. We've mortgaged our futures and the bills are due.
As far as our county's crushing debt. What would any one of us do if we were in debt because we were spending more than we were taking in? Say, "Oh my God, I need to get a better paying job so I can spend more?" Unlikely. Any sane and responsible person would look at ways to spend less and re-prioritize how our money is pissed away.
Why should we, as taxpayers and voters, expect any less from the knobs we elect into office?
Did it make sense to pre-fund Soc. Sec. in the 1980s only to raid the trust? Or offer a 1.6 trillion dollar tax cut when the country is quickly becoming a wholly owned subsidiary of the Chinese?
The bills have to be paid at some point. The money has to come from somewhere. Politicians go where the money is at.
I know you want to keep more of what you earn. I do too. Look at the Clinton tax hike, that didn't crush the wealthy. They did rather well (for many other disparate reasons).
The money has to come from somewhere. The Borrow and Spend policies of McCain will end up costing our country much more down the road.
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All of the news channels are picking up on this. Pro-Choice voters really want to see the abortion issue go away from the debate arena, but it's just not going to happen. Information like this (Obama voting against a purely evil bill to allow doctors to literally kill babies that survive botched abortions) will be a very hot topic.
What do you make of it? Pro-Choice voters are even turned off by it.
Has he came out, and defended the reasons why he voted for it twice?
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Well, Biden just proposed 1 billion of our tax $ to Georgia, in addition to the aide, $ and supplies already sent. Looks like no one respects our national debt.
$250,000 per household (thats two earners so $125,000 per year per person) is upper middle class in many areas of the country. But remember, Obama is going to raise all sorts of taxes, not just income taxes on the upper middle class & wealthy.
240, your right...McCain needs to avoid the off the cuff comments. His point was that he does not want to raise taxes on everyone. Some people ignore (or have no idea) the fact that we already have a graduated income tax.
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Weary...yes. Sometimes when your typing fast, spelling goes out the window.
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240, your right...McCain needs to avoid the off the cuff comments. His point was that he does not want to raise taxes on everyone. Some people ignore (or have no idea) the fact that we already have a graduated income tax.
When the most powerful man in the world will say, in one evening that being worth $5mil is rich, and he's like "everybody to be rich!"...
It makes me question his judgment.
He is saying things he didn't think thru, or he is talking down to us, trying to give us a line of BS that "elect me and we'll all be rich!"
Either way, the leader of the free world needs to have better judgment than that. I want to see a well-spoken, calm and collected guy who weighs the options before blurting out numbers.
Will he just blurt out numbers during high level negotiations with Russia or a nuclear Iran?
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I understand your concern and I agree, he needs to be more careful of the off the cuff remarks. Same thing with Obama's "above my paygrade" comment. Thats what happens when there's no script...we will see some minor mistakes/misspeaks.
However, its obvious that he is not promising, in any way, for everyone to be rich. Thats ridiculous. I took it to mean that he wants everyone to have the opportunity to be rich, whatever $ amount that is to the person, and wants people to keep a greater % of what they earn. Actually, I don't see how anyone can really interpret that another way.
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$250,000 per household (thats two earners so $125,000 per year per person) is upper middle class in many areas of the country. But remember, Obama is going to raise all sorts of taxes, not just income taxes on the upper middle class & wealthy.
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Obama's plan promises to not raise any tax on the middle or lower class. In fact, his plan has a tax cut for those people.
We'll see if he lives up to that promise if elected.
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I hear ya Decker but he said it himself....households that make over $250,000 are likely to see higher taxes. My point is that in many areas that is upper middle class, not wealthy.
The super wealthy in this country are people that make over 1 million per year and there are plenty of them... business CEOs, etc. If taxes were raised just on those people (or income that falls above that), it would be less of an issue.
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My wife surprised me with digital cable tv on Saturday. Shocked to death was more like it, so I got to see the questioning...it wasn't a debate.
Obama's tax hikes will hit the rich. Who are the rich? Like Obama said, the top 4% or so income earners---that's 250k+ per year.
Obama's income tax increase modestly hits only the rich.
Obama's payroll tax increase hits those earning above the SS wage base which is $102,000 for 2008. So the payroll tax cap for SS is removed.
Why tax the rich or well-to-do? That's where the money is. And lord knows, the country is in crushing debt.
We have to pay our bills.
We cannot continue the trend of borrow and spend. That's McCain's way and it is unsustainable.
Welcome to the 21st century. :)
I disagree. "Rich" isn't determined by income. Does his plan exempt small business owners who gross $250K a year?
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In all fairness, Mccain is about 25 years older.
Of course he's more experienced. I'm sure Strom Thurmond or Byrd or one of those 90-year old senators has about 20 more years experience than Mccain. Are they better than Mccain because of it?
Strom Thurmond has been dead for five years.
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wealthy = $5 mil per year.
To think it's anything less it traitorous liberal thinking!
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Strom Thurmond has been dead for five years.
then in that case he's off the list.
Byrd is still alive and kicking. He's 25 years older than mccain and therefore has the same advantage in judgment and wisdom that mccain has over obama.
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I hear ya Decker but he said it himself....households that make over $250,000 are likely to see higher taxes. My point is that in many areas that is upper middle class, not wealthy.
The super wealthy in this country are people that make over 1 million per year and there are plenty of them... business CEOs, etc. If taxes were raised just on those people (or income that falls above that), it would be less of an issue.
I have to agree with you on that point--250k incomes do not guarantee 'wealth.'
I think Ed Wolff had the right idea when he recommended a moderate 'wealth tax.' The economic elites don't make their money in income for the most part. They make it in capital gains--buying/selling property/business, stocks etc.
http://multinationalmonitor.org/mm2003/03may/may03interviewswolff.html
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Welcome to the 21st century. :)
I disagree. "Rich" isn't determined by income. Does his plan exempt small business owners who gross $250K a year?
It's good to be here. If it weren't for my company cellphone, I wouldn't have one of those either. My wife is rather ascetic when it comes to the luxuries of life.
I agree with you. 'Rich' should be defined by net assets or something like that. Earned income is not a big factor to truly wealthy people. Passive income is though.
I'm not sure what Obama proposes for the taxation of closely held businesses. So far, I've just been paying attention to the income taxes.
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I hear ya Decker but he said it himself....households that make over $250,000 are likely to see higher taxes. My point is that in many areas that is upper middle class, not wealthy.
I agree, it's even a more stupid play on words on Obama's part. What is he trying to say that 5 million does not make someone "rich" but it should be 250k + you are rich, so he can tax you on that?
250k + in many parts of the united states, is not much money.
Rick Warren should have asked Obama about his decision to let labour indiced abortion survivors die in a hospital kitchen sink.
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What do you make of it? Pro-Choice voters are even turned off by it.
Has he came out, and defended the reasons why he voted for it twice?
Don't know how the story's going to play out, but I definitely think it's going to service at a pivotal point in the election. Missed the news last night, so I didn't catch anything.
He hasn't said anything yet, but I know that there were rumblings in the morning news yesterday.
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Obama talked about the context of what rich meant, i.e., taking into account that $250k is not the same in New York as it is in Crawfordsville, IN. Any tax will take away money from your pocket. I think you're right in pointing out that the problem is the runaway spending. However we keep re-electing these guys b/c they bring home the bacon--gov. largesse. Ultimately, this points back to the People. It's a vicious cycle--they spend too much but we re-elect them b/c they bring home the governmental spending.
Here's where we agree, Decker. The problem is run away spending and basing budgets on projected spending and projecting intake from tax revenue. Of cource, we the people, are ultimately to blame. We get the government we deserve.
True sacrifice is damn near dead. We've mortgaged our futures and the bills are due.
Did it make sense to pre-fund Soc. Sec. in the 1980s only to raid the trust? Or offer a 1.6 trillion dollar tax cut when the country is quickly becoming a wholly owned subsidiary of the Chinese?
Nope. That makes no sense at all. I blame both parties for selling our country out. I'm sick and tired of the American public being held hostage by the two party system.
The bills have to be paid at some point. The money has to come from somewhere. Politicians go where the money is at.
Sad but true. That means they hit up the working schmucks like you and me.
I know you want to keep more of what you earn. I do too. Look at the Clinton tax hike, that didn't crush the wealthy. They did rather well (for many other disparate reasons).
The money has to come from somewhere. The Borrow and Spend policies of McCain will end up costing our country much more down the road.
In all fairness to Clinton he did lower the capital gains tax to 20 percent.
Let's be fair here, D. Both parties borrow and spend (what they don't have).
Here's an interesting article I read on WSJ.com. Give it a read if you have time.
Washington is teeing up "the rich" for a big tax hike next year, as a way to make them "pay their fair share." Well, the latest IRS data have arrived on who paid what share of income taxes in 2006, and it's going to be hard for the rich to pay any more than they already do. The data show that the 2003 Bush tax cuts caused what may be the biggest increase in tax payments by the rich in American history.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121659695380368965.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
(http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121659695380368965.html?mod=googlenews_wsj)
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I know your pro choice, as am I in some instances, but what is your take on Obama voting no "for life support for babies born when induced abortions fail"?
i think thats sick...if it is true
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Washington is teeing up "the rich" for a big tax hike next year, as a way to make them "pay their fair share." Well, the latest IRS data have arrived on who paid what share of income taxes in 2006, and it's going to be hard for the rich to pay any more than they already do. The data show that the 2003 Bush tax cuts caused what may be the biggest increase in tax payments by the rich in American history.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121659695380368965.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
(http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121659695380368965.html?mod=googlenews_wsj)
The Bush tax cuts stimulate growth but they don't stimulate enough growth to pay for the cost of the tax cut. The tax cut is a net loss to the government's revenue.
If Obama's elected, there will be unintended consequences to at least one of his tax hikes. If he removes the SocSec wage base cap, that will kill a certain type of fairly popular tax qualified retirement plan. That could be bad if employers with such plans decide not to choose a new type of QRP.
I think we both see that this problem of spending ultimately comes from the People. If there was a public demand for economic sanity in government (sort of like the impulse underlying much of Ron Paul's candidacy), we'd clean things up in a hurry.
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The Bush tax cuts stimulate growth but they don't stimulate enough growth to pay for the cost of the tax cut. The tax cut is a net loss to the government's revenue.
If Obama's elected, there will be unintended consequences to at least one of his tax hikes. If he removes the SocSec wage base cap, that will kill a certain type of fairly popular tax qualified retirement plan. That could be bad if employers with such plans decide not to choose a new type of QRP.
I think we both see that this problem of spending ultimately comes from the People. If there was a public demand for economic sanity in government (sort of like the impulse underlying much of Ron Paul's candidacy), we'd clean things up in a hurry.
Spend more than you take in and (omg) you're in the red.
It's our own damn fault.