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John Lewis: John McCain's Wise Man?
John McCain says he plans to consult with Democratic Rep. John Lewis when he's president. That's news to Lewis.
During Saturday's presidential forum at Rick Warren's California megachurch, John McCain was asked to name the "three wisest people" he would "rely heavily on" if elected president. He didn't cite close confidantes Phil Gramm and Randy Scheunemann, possibly because they have gotten McCain into trouble politically. Instead McCain chose Gen. David Petraeus; former eBay CEO Meg Whitman, one of his economic advisers; and Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), a leading figure in the civil rights movement.
This is not the first time McCain has invoked Lewis' name on the campaign trail. Earlier this year, in Selma, Alabama, he told the story of civil rights marchers trying to cross the Edmund Pettus Bridge in a 1965 march from Selma to the state capital of Montgomery. Waiting at the crest of the bridge were a brigade of police and state troopers who meted out an attacks so violent that the day is known today as Bloody Sunday.
Central in McCain's telling was John Lewis, a man of just 25 who was at the front of the march and absorbed the first blow. Millions of Americans, McCain noted, "watched brave John Lewis fall."
But even though McCain has now repeatedly cited Lewis as a role model and potential adviser, McCain has not established a relationship with the Georgia Democrat in the 22 years they have served in Congress together. At the time of McCain's Selma speech, a Lewis associate told my colleague David Corn that McCain has never been close to Lewis. Lewis was not told about McCain's speech in Selma in advance, nor was he invited to attend.
In response to McCain's latest invocation of his name, Rep. Lewis said in a statement requested by Mother Jones, "I cannot stop one human being, even a presidential candidate, from admiring the courage and sacrifice of peaceful protesters on the Edmund Pettus Bridge or making comments about it." But, he added, "Sen. McCain and I are colleagues in the US Congress, not confidantes. He does not consult me. And I do not consult him."
It took McCain years to fully embrace the goals that Lewis was fighting for on Bloody Sunday. In 1983, McCain voted against making Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday a national holiday, in opposition to most members of Congress, including many of his Republican colleagues. In 1987, the governor of Arizona repealed the state's recognition of King; McCain supported the move. It was only in 1990, 25 years after Lewis marched in Alabama, when Arizona reversed its decision that McCain changed his own stance on the issue.
And there are, of course, the fundamental differences between John McCain's political philosophy and the goals of Lewis and his fellow marchers. Lewis hoped that the federal government would use its influence to protect the rights of disenfranchised individuals; he sought an expanded role for government because of what he believed was government's power to do good. It explains, in part, why Lewis is a Democrat today and supports Barack Obama for president. McCain, on the other hand, is a fanatical enemy of government spending and has said, "I've found over time that less government involvement is better." It's a philosophy that would have left Lewis and his cohorts out in the cold.
So why does John McCain promise to consult a man who he is not close to and has never consulted before? I put the question to the McCain campaign. If and when they respond, I'll update the post.
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McOwned.
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lol obama named his wife and his g-ma, the same wife who said she would use her resources to help blacks first and foremost.
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lol obama named his wife and his g-ma, the same wife who said she would use her resources to help blacks first and foremost.
So what.
I least Obama did not lie like McCain.
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So what.
I least Obama did not lie like McCain.
ah HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AH!!!!!!!!
Another box of rocks!!!! LOL!!!!!!!
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp
Not to mention all the flip-flopping he's been doing to hide his true intentions once elected.
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ah HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AH!!!!!!!!
Another box of rocks!!!! LOL!!!!!!!
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp
Not to mention all the flip-flopping he's been doing to hide his true intentions once elected.
Interesting how nothing you say has anything to do with this thread. ::)
When defeated...change the subject!
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Interesting how nothing you say has anything to do with this thread. ::)
When defeated...change the subject!
How is it a defeat when it was a response to YOUR post numnuts?
So what.
I least Obama did not lie like McCain.
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How is it a defeat when it was a response to YOUR post numnuts?
My post was in regards to the forum with Rick Warren, JACKASS. ::) That is what the original post regarding McCain's lie about seeking the wisdom of John Lewis is about.
You are too dumb to participate in this discussion.
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ah HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AH!!!!!!!!
Another box of rocks!!!! LOL!!!!!!!
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp
Not to mention all the flip-flopping he's been doing to hide his true intentions once elected.
Brix, scroll down to the bottom of the link you just posted.
After they list the 50 lies, they show why each of these lies is actually true. They give evidence of each one too. You actually just posted something that debunks the top 50 obama lies, and proves them true.
This isn't your best work, mate.
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Brix, scroll down to the bottom of the link you just posted.
After they list the 50 lies, they show why each of these lies is actually true. They give evidence of each one too. You actually just posted something that debunks the top 50 obama lies, and proves them true.
This isn't your best work, mate.
Um, yeah that's no good. Certainly not..
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/
better?
Despite my mistake I think it's pretty clear who has lied more between Obama and McCain.
Oh... and there's evidence in the link proving his lies to be, in fact, lies.
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My post was in regards to the forum with Rick Warren, JACKASS. ::) That is what the original post regarding McCain's lie about seeking the wisdom of John Lewis is about.
You are too dumb to participate in this discussion.
You are too dumb to realize I wasn't responding to the first post, but your post asserting that McCain had lied about something and Obama had not, NO MATTER WHEN IT WAS THAT THEY LIED.
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Certainly not..
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/
better.
Despite my mistake I think it's pretty clear who has lied more between Obama and McCain.
They're both flawed. We're really comparing turds here.
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They're both flawed. We're really comparing turds here.
Have to agree. One turd is clearly a turd but far less a toilet clog and the other is trying to disguise the fact that he is a turd.
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You are too dumb to realize I wasn't responding to the first post, but your post asserting that McCain had lied about something and Obama had not, NO MATTER WHEN IT WAS THAT THEY LIED.
lol
fucking clueless
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this brixtonbulldog is a propaganda machine.
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Because Obama never ever lies.
He just misspeaks. ::)
They're politicians. They BOTH lie.
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this brixtonbulldog is a propaganda machine.
Sure.. and benny blankspace isnt?
He tries to downplay, ignore, and justify the deception of obama while attempting to inflate whatever short list of character flaws/mistakes McCain has on him.
Yeah, no propaganda there.
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what about his lie about not raising taxes on those who make less than what was it 250,000...oh ya that is if you dont have stock b/c the capital gains tax hits everyone pretty much.
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When defeated...change the subject!
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MEGA FAIL ::) ::) ::)
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MEGA FAIL ::) ::) ::)
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
In response to McCain's latest invocation of his name, Rep. Lewis said in a statement requested by Mother Jones, "I cannot stop one human being, even a presidential candidate, from admiring the courage and sacrifice of peaceful protesters on the Edmund Pettus Bridge or making comments about it." But, he added, "Sen. McCain and I are colleagues in the US Congress, not confidantes. He does not consult me. And I do not consult him."
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
In response to McCain's latest invocation of his name, Rep. Lewis said in a statement requested by Mother Jones, "I cannot stop one human being, even a presidential candidate, from admiring the courage and sacrifice of peaceful protesters on the Edmund Pettus Bridge or making comments about it." But, he added, "Sen. McCain and I are colleagues in the US Congress, not confidantes. He does not consult me. And I do not consult him."
Really dude. Why not debate, the arguements Brixton, and Tony presented instead of flipping the arguement. They both cited websites, and secondary sources, and your calling them names.
If you don't feel like debating, just tell them, "whatever I see your point"
Or make a badass point, and then at the end you can call them a name.
That is not worthy of a "Boom"
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Wow, we are basing our decisions on who lies less?
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Sad Sad Sad
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Wow, we are basing our decisions on who lies less?
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Sad Sad Sad
It's not sad that our culture has accepted and LEARNED that all politicians lie. It's progress no matter how bad it sounds.
We could always go back a few years when politicians lies weren't so often revealed through thorough and close examination.
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It's not sad that our culture has accepted and LEARNED that all politicians lie. It's progress no matter how bad it sounds.
We could always go back a few years when politicians lies weren't so often revealed through thorough and close examination.
Good point, yes. But it's crazy that we are counting lies IMO. And although it's the lesser of 2 evils, it's still not a good thing.
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Good point, yes. But it's crazy that we are counting lies IMO. And although it's the lesser of 2 evils, it's still not a good thing.
Ozmo speaking truth years ago.