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Anyone catch the CNN "McCain releaved"?
When he met his new wife in hawaii, he was still married. He lied to the new girl about his age. He applied for a marriage licence in AZ before his old marriage was over.
CNN asked them both about all his lies. "I take responsibility for that" was his standard answer. It was a little uncomfortable watching the interview. CNN's John King saying "what about this lie?" about 15 times. Mccain just saying "I take responsibility...next..."
Obama is 47. Mccain had dozens of affairs by this point in his life. I think if Obama had such a slutty background, it would be an issue in the campaign for a lot of people.
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the messiah did have a slutty background..while mccain was serving in the senate..Barry O was doing blow and crack in the 80's..is that slutty enough?
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the messiah did have a slutty background..while mccain was serving in the senate..Barry O was doing blow and crack in the 80's..is that slutty enough?
So cheating on crippled wife and kid is equal to trying drugs in college?
Is it?
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beats me? does it? or do you want to engage in some non-sensical debate over how one character flaw is worse than another? you and hugo can do that big guy--because its a waste of time---bush did drugs--clinton banged other women other than his wife..reagan got divorced..kennedy knocked up a woman before he married jackie o...Ike was banging kay summersby---FDR was nailing someone other than Eleanor..it goes on and on...all these guys were elected president--it doesn't matter worth shit what mccain did to his crippled wife or what obama blew up his nose...
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Did Obama smoke crack?
I'm not a Obama fan, but to me a major character flaw is cheating on your wife. And just becuase "everyone" else does it doesn't take away from the fact that you are a scum bag of very questionable character if you cheat on your wife.
It would seem to me if you cheat on someone you made a solemn vow to, then you'll have little problem lying to American public.
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kennedy banged marilyn monroe..among others..he's still revered to this day by americans...
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kennedy banged marilyn monroe..among others..he's still revered to this day by americans...
Yeah? So what? He's revered mainly becuase he was assassinated. Otherwise he'd be in Clinton's boat.
What about Obama's alleged crack usage?
Or was that just BS from you?
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yes..i'm in the habit of making up drug use accusations that have been around and admitted by him already...
so what...i gave you all examples of presidents who were pretty good presidents..even though they cheated...that's what i said..so what..it doesn't matter if you cheated or not to do and effective job...
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Yeah? So what? He's revered mainly becuase he was assassinated. Otherwise he'd be in Clinton's boat.
What about Obama's alleged crack usage?
Or was that just BS from you?
clinton's boat isn't a bad boat to be in...people still love the guy...
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yes..i'm in the habit of making up drug use accusations that have been around and admitted by him already...
I'm just asking for some info dude. It's the first I've heard of it.
Can you back it up? If you can't or don't what to it's cool. I don't care. But becuase this is the first an only time I've heard it, and if you don't want to back it up, then I'll file it in the BULL SH!T category.
so what...i gave you all examples of presidents who were pretty good presidents..even though they cheated...that's what i said..so what..it doesn't matter if you cheated or not to do and effective job...
Millions of people cheat on their spouses and do a good job at work. So what? That doesn't change the fact that their character is lacking and they are already predisposed to lie to the American public.
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it wasn't the cheating in the documentary that bothered me, it was the lying.
He met cindy, lied about his age. Then lied in his biography - contradicted by public records. All sorts of lies. he didn't even let the reporter/interviewer finish asking some of the Qs, meaning he wasn't interested in disputing anything.
I don't trust people that lie. Do you?
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it wasn't the cheating in the documentary that bothered me, it was the lying.
He met cindy, lied about his age. Then lied in his biography - contradicted by public records. All sorts of lies. he didn't even let the reporter/interviewer finish asking some of the Qs, meaning he wasn't interested in disputing anything.
I don't trust people that lie. Do you?
Think about how much these whiny conservative bitches would be going on and on about Obama if he lied about his age and cheated on his wife while she's was crippled.
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Rockyfortune,
Do you trust people who will lie to their spouse?
I can overlook flipflopping by both guys - they're appeasing donor/voting blocks, and circumstances do change. Offshore drilling wasn't right in 95 because oil was $12 a barrel. It may be right in 2008 when oil is $120 to $140 a barrel. Circumstances change.
But lying to your crippled wife, for years, shows major character flaw.
Drug use in college shows minor character flaw, at best. Curiosity and a tad bit of self-destructiveness (how many 47-year olds haven't used drugs?)
But let's not get away from the Q.
I don't trust people that lie. Do you?
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Rockyfortune,
Do you trust people who will lie to their spouse?
I can overlook flipflopping by both guys - they're appeasing donor/voting blocks, and circumstances do change. Offshore drilling wasn't right in 95 because oil was $12 a barrel. It may be right in 2008 when oil is $120 to $140 a barrel. Circumstances change.
But lying to your crippled wife, for years, shows major character flaw.
Drug use in college shows minor character flaw, at best. Curiosity and a tad bit of self-destructiveness (how many 47-year olds haven't[/i] used drugs?)
But let's not get away from the Q.
I don't trust people that lie. Do you?
I think he's trying to lessen the issue by saying many presidents cheated on their wifes but were still good presidents. which is true. but that doesn't change the fact the their character was in question and if the American public knew they were "cheaters" beforehand they might not have got in office.
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i spose rockyfortune has no prob with what edwards did.
it's funny, the same ppl who were bashing the shit outta edwards last week are pretty forgiving when mccain does it.
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I'm just asking for some info dude. It's the first I've heard of it.
Can you back it up? If you can't or don't what to it's cool. I don't care. But becuase this is the first an only time I've heard it, and if you don't want to back it up, then I'll file it in the BULL SH!T category.
Millions of people cheat on their spouses and do a good job at work. So what? That doesn't change the fact that their character is lacking and they are already predisposed to lie to the American public.
Earth to Ozmo..he admits to his drug use in his book...read a little..here's your bullshit category..have you been living under a rock or something?
http://www.mapinc.org/newsnorml/v03/n1786/a06.html
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McCain was a good looking guy, back in his heyday.
I'm sure CNN shared a biased review of both candidates, and also apeared at the Trinity Church, and visited Resko, and visited Ayers asking for their side of the scandals of truth that hurt the country (ie; bombing the pentagon, slum land lord).
McCain spent 5.5 years in a Hanoi prison camp, I think it gives him the pass.
Unless 240, thinks he can serve in a prison camp, come back to the United States, and live just as he did when he left, and be the same person he was before going to war.
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it wasn't the cheating in the documentary that bothered me, it was the lying.
He met cindy, lied about his age. Then lied in his biography - contradicted by public records. All sorts of lies. he didn't even let the reporter/interviewer finish asking some of the Qs, meaning he wasn't interested in disputing anything.
I don't trust people that lie. Do you?
this is great stuff..you don't trust people that lie? and i suppose obama hasn't lied about one thing since his campaign started? hey, ozmo, here's some stuff for your bullshit category...Obama has never lied.
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Earth to Ozmo..he admits to his drug use in his book...read a little..here's your bullshit category..have you been living under a rock or something?
http://www.mapinc.org/newsnorml/v03/n1786/a06.html
"Maybe a little blow" = He smoked crack cocaine? Kinda a stretch there, no? ;)
Also noteworthy:
"Obama, 42, told me recently he had tried marijuana in high school and hasn't consumed any illegal drugs in 20 years. "
Mccain was Obama's age NOW when he was cheating.
And, mccain was 55 when he called his wife the C-word in front of a group of reporters.
Doing something at 22, and doing it at 40+, are two different things as well.
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Earth to Ozmo..he admits to his drug use in his book...read a little..here's your bullshit category..have you been living under a rock or something?
http://www.mapinc.org/newsnorml/v03/n1786/a06.html
OK, thanks.
All i was asking you to do was show some proof dude. No need to get all snippy. I'm not going to read Obama's book. Nothing could be more of a waste of time than to read a book by a presidential candidate.
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McCain spent 5.5 years in a Hanoi prison camp, I think it gives him the pass.
A pass on what?
Cheating on his wife?
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i spose rockyfortune has no prob with what edwards did.
it's funny, the same ppl who were bashing the shit outta edwards last week are pretty forgiving when mccain does it.
i could careless what they do..drugs, adultery..i don't think either of them are doing it right fucking now...and that what the point i'm getting at...
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this is great stuff..you don't trust people that lie? and i suppose obama hasn't lied about one thing since his campaign started? hey, ozmo, here's some stuff for your bullshit category...Obama has never lied.
Who says Obama never lied?
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"Maybe a little blow" = He smoked crack cocaine? Kinda a stretch there, no? ;)
Also noteworthy:
"Obama, 42, told me recently he had tried marijuana in high school and hasn't consumed any illegal drugs in 20 years. "
Mccain was Obama's age NOW when he was cheating.
And, mccain was 55 when he called his wife the C-word in front of a group of reporters.
Doing something at 22, and doing it at 40+, are two different things as well.
Wow, called her a CunTTT in front of a group of reporters? What a class act.
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A pass on what?
Cheating on his wife?
Cheating constitutes her not knowing correct?
They both knew the marriage was over. By that time he had already moved to AZ. He was and still does to this day take care of her medical bills.
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Who says Obama never lied?
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i was replying to 240's comment and question that he does not trust people who lie, yet he believes obama is a better candidate than mccain because mccain lied to his wife...so, this means one assumes that since 240 doesn't trust people who lie, then he believes obama has never lied.
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i was replying to 240's comment and question that he does not trust people who lie, yet he believes obama is a better candidate than mccain because mccain lied to his wife...so, this means one assumes that since 240 doesn't trust people who lie, then he believes obama has never lied.
I think it's silly to think any politician is free from lying.
One guy in the this forum even suggested that McCain has lied fewer times than Obama. Who knows?
But it's still lying, or cheating or what ever, and it's not a character trait we should should tolerate in any of our elected representatives regardless of what has happened in the past.
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But it's still lying, or cheating or what ever, and it's not a character trait we should should tolerate in any of our elected representatives regardless of what has happened in the past.
True.
A politician votes on two issues. A group that does not support his/her views starts to air their discontent and displeasure with the vote.
The politician, knows he/she is in the wrong, and says they did not vote that away "and they are misconstruing the truth, and while I don't like calling anyone liars, they are liars"
Isn't that a double whammy lie?
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good luck getting rid of lying in politics..
fact is..no presidential candidate determines your fate...you determine your own fate --well, one caveat to that would be some sick, demented guy dropping nukes on countries--then all our fates are sealed..but i think we have enough evidence to believe that something like this cannot and will not happen--so, i get back to my point that no guy in office determines how my life is---so obama did blow..big deal..and mccain cheated on his wife...big deal..or mccain forgets how many houses he owns..and obama forgot to leave a church with some radical, black liberation theology pastor presiding..so what??
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True.
A politician votes on two issues. A group that does not support his/her views starts to air their discontent and displeasure with the vote.
The politician, knows he/she is in the wrong, and says they did not vote that away "and they are misconstruing the truth, and while I don't like calling anyone liars, they are liars"
Isn't that a double whammy lie?
Yes, very calculated.
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Cheating constitutes her not knowing correct?
They both knew the marriage was over. By that time he had already moved to AZ. He was and still does to this day take care of her medical bills.
‘My marriage ended because John McCain didn’t want to be 40, he wanted to be 25. You know that happens...it just does.’
Some of McCain’s acquaintances are less forgiving, however. They portray the politician as a self-centred womaniser who effectively abandoned his crippled wife to ‘play the field’. They accuse him of finally settling on Cindy, a former rodeo beauty queen, for financial reasons.
When McCain – his hair turned prematurely white and his body reduced to little more than a skeleton – was released in March 1973, he told reporters he was overjoyed to see Carol again. But friends say privately he was ‘appalled’ by the change in her appearance.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html
Ross Perot paid for Carol's medical bills while McCain was away. Here's what Ross Perot had to say about John McCain:
McCain "is the classic opportunist--he's always reaching for attention and glory. Other POWs won't even sit at the same table with him."
When McCain's then-wife Carol was in a serious car accident, McCain's mother called Perot for help. "She asked me to send my people to Philadelphia to take care of the family," Perot says. Afterwards, McCain was grateful. "We loved him [Perot] for it," McCain told me in 2000.
Perot doesn't remember it that way. "After he came home, he walked with a limp, she [Carol McCain] walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona [Cindy McCain, his current wife] and the rest is history."
"There's evidence, evidence, evidence," Perot claims. "McCain was adamant about shutting down anything to do with recovering POWs."
http://www.newsweek.com/id/94827
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a day late and a dollar short hugo..we've been through this already...post the story about obama's past drug use..and dismiss that a childhood foible..and mccain cheating as a calculated, despicable act...
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good luck getting rid of lying in politics..
fact is..no presidential candidate determines your fate...you determine your own fate --well, one caveat to that would be some sick, demented guy dropping nukes on countries--then all our fates are sealed..but i think we have enough evidence to believe that something like this cannot and will not happen--so, i get back to my point that no guy in office determines how my life is---so obama did blow..big deal..and mccain cheated on his wife...big deal..or mccain forgets how many houses he owns..and obama forgot to leave a church with some radical, black liberation theology pastor presiding..so what??
But the president or elected representatives have major influence in the fate of our country and in turn that affects us. It doesn't determine our fate, of course in most instances, but it does make harder or easier in that regard.
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Haha, Ross Perot calling McCain an opportunist ::)
The same Perot that ships jobs overseas?
The same Perot that has storage warehouses in Mexico
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Anyone catch the CNN "McCain releaved"?
When he met his new wife in hawaii, he was still married. He lied to the new girl about his age. He applied for a marriage licence in AZ before his old marriage was over.
CNN asked them both about all his lies. "I take responsibility for that" was his standard answer. It was a little uncomfortable watching the interview. CNN's John King saying "what about this lie?" about 15 times. Mccain just saying "I take responsibility...next..."
Obama is 47. Mccain had dozens of affairs by this point in his life. I think if Obama had such a slutty background, it would be an issue in the campaign for a lot of people.
On what basis do you conclude "McCain had dozens of affairs" by the time he was 47?
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on the basis that 240 and hugo chavez make this shit up as they go along..it's easy to make an argument when you twist the facts to fit your argument.
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a day late and a dollar short hugo..we've been through this already...post the story about obama's past drug use..and dismiss that a childhood foible..and mccain cheating as a calculated, despicable act...
it was for youandme in response to his post, not introducing new material because I know, I've already posted it.
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it was for youandme in response to his post, not introducing new material because I know, I've already posted it.
my bad... :'(
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Haha, Ross Perot calling McCain an opportunist ::)
The same Perot that ships jobs overseas?
The same Perot that has storage warehouses in Mexico
how's ozmo say it, kill or be killed or some shit like that? yea, he warned against this stuff but you can't expect him to take the fall because we didn't listen. He's a businessman. I'm betting there are several businesses that didn't like moving shit overseas, but once the ball starts rolling, you compete or sink. I'm betting this is not what Perot wants to happen. It is what's happening.
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my bad... :'(
no problem :)
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on the basis that 240 and hugo chavez make this shit up as they go along..it's easy to make an argument when you twist the facts to fit your argument.
I don't think I make shit up... When I have solid info I post it and when I have an opinion, it's posted as such. I do make up my opinion, just like everyone else, but it's just an opinion, no different than anybody else with a different opinion.
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McCain spent 5.5 years in a Hanoi prison camp, I think it gives him the pass.
Unless 240, thinks he can serve in a prison camp, come back to the United States, and live just as he did when he left, and be the same person he was before going to war.
it doesn't give him a pass and it shouldn't. That's a cop out. This whole idea gives him the ability to do what he wants. Then people make excuses for him like you just did. You're a useful idiot.
do you honestly know if he is the same after he came back? you only know what you have been told and you are spewing the same shit you have heard over and over again
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On what basis do you conclude "McCain had dozens of affairs" by the time he was 47?
He admitted it on the CNN show last night. dozens of affairs over several years. he would live aboard for a year at a time away form home and just had a ball.
It's not a huge deal, but if Obama banged 10+ women after getting married, the neocons would be all over his ass.
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Anyone catch the CNN "McCain releaved"?
When he met his new wife in hawaii, he was still married. He lied to the new girl about his age. He applied for a marriage licence in AZ before his old marriage was over.
CNN asked them both about all his lies. "I take responsibility for that" was his standard answer. It was a little uncomfortable watching the interview. CNN's John King saying "what about this lie?" about 15 times. Mccain just saying "I take responsibility...next..."
Obama is 47. Mccain had dozens of affairs by this point in his life. I think if Obama had such a slutty background, it would be an issue in the campaign for a lot of people.
I just read the transcript. You took a snippet from the interview and completely distorted it. The discussion was largely about his time as a POW and his progression as a person and legislator after his military service. Your quote does not exist.
He didn't say "next." ::) Here is the quote:
"MCCAIN: I take full responsibility for the break-up of my first marriage. And I'm very grateful for the fact that Carol and I have a good relationship."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0808/20/cp.01.html
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He admitted it on the CNN show last night. dozens of affairs over several years. he would live aboard for a year at a time away form home and just had a ball.
It's not a huge deal, but if Obama banged 10+ women after getting married, the neocons would be all over his ass.
Dang dude. I just read the transcript. It was Larry King, not McCain, who said this:
"KING: The age disparity -- she is 17 years younger -- was the least of their worries. McCain was still married to Carol McCain. Their daughter Sydney was 12 years old.
The marriage was in trouble. He had been having affairs for several years. KING (on camera): And how does it sit with you? To those who have over the years have said, John McCain comes home from Vietnam, you know, leaves his wife, then marries this younger, beautiful, wealthy woman."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0808/20/cp.01.html
Now perhaps I missed it. I included the link (above). Sounds like you just made stuff up (again). But I will retract and apologize if it is in the link I just posted.