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Ok, so I make my own distilled water because I don't trust either tap water or water from springs. Tap water is treated often with Chlorine, which is toxic to all vertebrates, and spring water contains unusually high traces of inorganic Borum, Lithium, Manganese and Molybdenium, which are potentially toxic in high levels and mighteven lead to kidney stones - if you drink it for several decades every day. Now, before someone counter-argues that distilled water is bad for you because it lacks minerals, consider that inorganic minerals that aren't chelated with amino acids or in organic form can't be absorbed by the body in any significant amounts anyway, so the point is redundant. The best water is cocunut water, which is extremely pure and has high amounts of organic minerals, but unfortunately it's hard to come by and even cocunut trees nowadays are treated with pesticides and organophosphate pesticides are able to pass through the natural fibrous filter of coconuts, thus making cocunut water tainted. I have considered the issue and regard distilled water and water that comes from organically grown fruits the best for health. Your thoughts?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Distilled Water should also only be used in cigar humidors.
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You guys would be shocked if you knew what was in your tap water.
When we tie into existing water lines, we remove plugs and they are encrusted in junk you would not imagine.
This is why they "clean out" the system by opening up all the flush valves(fire hydrants) in certain areas.
I will see if i can find some pics.
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this is why I use my own reverse osmosis! Works very well for cleaning your water. I also have filters in my fridge that filter the water.
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You guys would be shocked if you knew what was in your tap water.
When we tie into existing water lines, we remove plugs and they are encrusted in junk you would not imagine.
This is why they "clean out" the system by opening up all the flush valves(fire hydrants) in certain areas.
I will see if i can find some pics.
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Probably better if you don't. ;)
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I've been drinking mainly distilled water for the past year.
I feel better for some reasons.
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I've been drinking mainly distilled water for the past year.
I feel better for some reasons.
I went through a period only drinking distilled water & didn't notice a difference. Oh well. :-\
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I went through a period only drinking distilled water & didn't notice a difference. Oh well. :-\
First thing I noticed is my blood pressure went down.
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Surely a filter for the tap is good enough.
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Surely a filter for the tap is good enough.
Depends where you live.
Your tap water is filled with chemicals, some city's are cleaner than others.
Chlorimination. Google it.
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First thing I noticed is my blood pressure went down.
Interesting. Mine has always been high - maybe I'll do an experiment. However, I got promoted at work & mine went up.
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Chlorimination.
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I don't think they do that in Aus yet, but I can't say for sure.
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I don't think they do that in Aus yet, but I can't say for sure.
That is the thing, every country/city/state does their water treatment differently.
Some parts of Texas have very clean tap water, other parts are full of nasty shit.
It also depends on how old the system is and how frequently it is flushed, most districts do not flush their systems like they should.
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There's a lot of caution and controversy out there regarding drinking distilled water for extended periods of time.
http://www.mercola.com/article/water/distilled_water_2.htm
http://chetday.com/distilledwater.htm
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There's a lot of caution and controversy out there regarding drinking distilled water for extended periods of time.
http://www.mercola.com/article/water/distilled_water_2.htm
http://chetday.com/distilledwater.htm
Thanks for the links. Interesting stuff.
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There's a lot of caution and controversy out there regarding drinking distilled water for extended periods of time.
http://www.mercola.com/article/water/distilled_water_2.htm
http://chetday.com/distilledwater.htm
Agree with that big time!! I don't think anyone should drink distilled for long periods of time.
I just fill up my 5 gallon jugs at a water store. Better filtration than the reverse osmosis jugs at the grocery store. Which if you have had AZ water, you will want as much filtration as possible.
Like drinking mud out of the tap :-X
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Surely a filter for the tap is good enough.
Oh boy, you're so wrong about this that it's not even funny. Even the best filter removes impurities that are no smaller than about one thousand of a milimeter in diameter. Even E Coli bacteria are able to pass through that. Distillation is the only way to make water completely pure. Water has a much lower boiling point than practically all impurities, so when water becomes a gas it leaves prety much everything in the vaporization vessel. Distillation purifies water to the molecular level. Furthermore, even the smallest viruses are eliminated by distillation, since the high temperature kills them. If mere filtration were ok, then chemists would use filtered water for chemical synthesis. Chemists need ultra pure water for synthesis, since impurities and trace elements might interfere with them to the point of stopping the reaction or changing the end results. Distillation is the only way to make sure you have nothing but H2O.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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There's a lot of caution and controversy out there regarding drinking distilled water for extended periods of time.
http://www.mercola.com/article/water/distilled_water_2.htm
http://chetday.com/distilledwater.htm
His argument is faulty and I have already addressed this issue. Minerals in water are not effectively absorbed by the body in any way, shape or form. If you don't get minerals from food, then you aren't going to get them from driking water. To make minerals bioavailable, they need to be either as salts or binded to amino acids. Some water do have minerals in salt form, but often it is in unbound inorganic form, and this will give you nothing besides kidney stones. In France, a country where mineral water is consumed in massive amounts, the rate of renal failure caused by inorganic mineral intoxication is a serious national problem. Why do you need Calcium from water if you can get it from broccoli? Why do you need Iron from water if you can get it from spinach? Why do you need Selenium from water if you can get it from mushrooms? There are some minerals that are far more abundant in water than in food, like Molybdenum, but the body need such miniscule amount of these minerals anyway and the body absorbs them so poorly from water that the point is redundant.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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are you talking about boiling your water or actual distillation? Distallation requires some real gadgetry. Making sure to capture the steam and cool it down into a still.
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are you talking about boiling your water or actual distillation? Distallation requires some real gadgetry. Making sure to capture the steam and cool it down into a still.
No, I'm talking about distillation: vaporizing water in a vessel and then condensing it in another vessel.
It just so happens that an added bonus of distillation is that it also kills bacteria besides unltra filtering thewater because the water is boiled.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Have any of you drank magnetized water? It's amazing what it will do to really flush toxins from your system
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Have any of you drank magnetized water? It's amazing what it will do to really flush toxins from your system
One link for:
http://www.drlam.com/opinion/magnetized_water.cfm
One link against:
http://www.chem1.com/CQ/magwatscams.html
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One link for:
http://www.drlam.com/opinion/magnetized_water.cfm
Take home message:
The use of magnetized water in the treatment of chronic disease is still in the infancy stage of investigation. It will be decades before the science of magnetized water is fully understood.
If one understands and accepts that each of our cells possess a small magnetic field, as many research studies are now supporting, the logical conclusion that magnetic water has the ability to affect our cells must be taken seriously.
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Take home message:
The use of magnetized water in the treatment of chronic disease is still in the infancy stage of investigation. It will be decades before the science of magnetized water is fully understood.
If one understands and accepts that each of our cells possess a small magnetic field, as many research studies are now supporting, the logical conclusion that magnetic water has the ability to affect our cells must be taken seriously.
This is utter garbage. Pseudo-science at it's best. Hey, Princess L, our cells use adenosine triphosphate, so drinking it would affect our cells. Hey, Princess L, our cells contain amino acids, so eating them must affect our cells.
This is garbage because, first of all, we don't even know what the significance of the fact that our cells have a magnetic field is, which means that we are unclear whether increasing or decreasing the strengh of this magnetic field would have either a positive or negative effect on our healths. Then, there's the fact that this magnetic field is created by the cell itself, and whatever electromagnetic properties a water we drink may have, it does not affect our cells in any way, shape or form.
For cake sake, you people should really enroll at a hard science or math course at university. It will do you people a helluva good in learning how to think logically and factually. The amount of pseudo-scientific nonsense you people spill is off-the-charts. I may not see eye-to-eye with Usmokepole on a lot of issues, but at least he is logical in his arguments and actually uses facts to argue his points and not make believe, just so stories.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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This is utter garbage. Pseudo-science at it's best. Hey, Princess L, our cells use adenosine triphosphate, so drinking it would affect our cells. Hey, Princess L, our cells contain amino acids, so eating them must affect our cells.
This is garbage because, first of all, we don't even know what the significance of the fact that our cells have a magnetic field is, which means that we are unclear whether increasing or decreasing the strengh of this magnetic field would have either a positive or negative effect on our healths. Then, there's the fact that this magnetic field is created by the cell itself, and whatever electromagnetic properties a water we drink may have, it does not affect our cells in any way, shape or form.
For cake sake, you people should really enroll at a hard science or math course at university. It will do you people a helluva good in learning how to think logically and factually. The amount of pseudo-scientific nonsense you people spill is off-the-charts. I may not see eye-to-eye with Usmokepole on a lot of issues, but at least he is logical in his arguments and actually uses facts to argue his points and not make believe, just so stories.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
SMM,
I respect your right to choose to utilize things only after they have been tested scientifically six ways from sunday.
However, I would only suggest that you actually try some and see how you feel.
See if you don't notice any difference in the way you feel, and the way your body responds.
I've drank naturally magnetized water (hand bottled) and it is amazing what an incredible difference I found.
Why not try it, ...see if you like it?
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This is utter garbage. Pseudo-science at it's best. Hey, Princess L, our cells use adenosine triphosphate, so drinking it would affect our cells. Hey, Princess L, our cells contain amino acids, so eating them must affect our cells.
This is garbage because, first of all, we don't even know what the significance of the fact that our cells have a magnetic field is, which means that we are unclear whether increasing or decreasing the strengh of this magnetic field would have either a positive or negative effect on our healths. Then, there's the fact that this magnetic field is created by the cell itself, and whatever electromagnetic properties a water we drink may have, it does not affect our cells in any way, shape or form.
For cake sake, you people should really enroll at a hard science or math course at university. It will do you people a helluva good in learning how to think logically and factually. The amount of pseudo-scientific nonsense you people spill is off-the-charts. I may not see eye-to-eye with Usmokepole on a lot of issues, but at least he is logical in his arguments and actually uses facts to argue his points and not make believe, just so stories.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Lighten up Francis. ;)
I was merely pointing out a couple of points made in the links ~ not agreeing nor disagreeing with them.
Take home message:
The use of magnetized water in the treatment of chronic disease is still in the infancy stage of investigation. It will be decades before the science of magnetized water is fully understood.
If one understands and accepts that each of our cells possess a small magnetic field, as many research studies are now supporting, the logical conclusion that magnetic water has the ability to affect our cells must be taken seriously.
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Take home message:
The use of magnetized water in the treatment of chronic disease is still in the infancy stage of investigation. It will be decades before the science of magnetized water is fully understood.
If one understands and accepts that each of our cells possess a small magnetic field, as many research studies are now supporting, the logical conclusion that magnetic water has the ability to affect our cells must be taken seriously.
An excerpt from:
The Stewardship Of Water
by Joseph Bender
There was a time in the history of our species when we lived in the awareness of our inseparability from all of nature- the mineral kingdom, plant kingdom, animal kingdom, and cosmic kingdom. In this harmonious relationship we freely exchanged energy within each kingdom. The proper exchange of energy between natural systems always creates a surplus of energy not a depletion. This was a time when man's spiritual nature and scientific pursuits were inseparable and aligned as a cohesive force for understanding truth. These were times when rhythms and cycles within man and within nature were ritualized that they might be fully comprehended. The dynamic rituals and symbols became an outward expression of inward connection to the all. Centered around this harmony and sacredness of early man, water was always the symbol of the life processes. Water exists within almost every religious system as the pinnacle of expression of this interconnection with all of life.
Water is the great mediator. We are gathered to understand water's role as mediator between the energetic and material world, between that of pure light and that of matter. By having no inherent form of its own, water embraces the form of everything it comes in contact with. While laying aside any life of its own- it becomes the carrier of life and the chief communication channel between life energies. It functions as accumulator, transmitter and transducer of energies. This mediator of energetic systems is continually transferring life processes from one system to another in its helical evolutionary manner.
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There's an interesting DVD about to be released on September 17th 2008 called "Water"
You can check out the trailer here: ===> Water (http://www.intentionmediainc.com/water/trailer/)
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I have a bridge to sell you people. Not just any bridge. It's a magic bridge. It spans the gap between being and consciousness, and conducts the all pervading energy of life along its rightful channel, bringing harmony and oneness to the rightful interconnection of the life process energy . It's magical! Magical!
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Let's just imagine hypothetically that for some reason you're unable to get your pure fancy-pants distilled water anymore, you're gonna have no resistance to the common germs and shit in the water and you'll most likely get pretty ill. You can't go around living in a sterile bubble forever.
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However, I would only suggest that you actually try some and see how you feel.
See if you don't notice any difference in the way you feel, and the way your body responds.
I've drank naturally magnetized water (hand bottled) and it is amazing what an incredible difference I found.
Why not try it, ...see if you like it?
The Body/Mind Connection
Medical science is only beginning to understand the ways in which the mind influences the body. The placebo effect, for example, demonstrates that people can at times cause a relief in medical symptoms or suffering by believing the cures to be effective - whether they actually are or not. Using processes only poorly understood, the body's ability to heal itself is far more amazing than anything modern medicine could create.
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46 million affected by trace drugs in drinking water
Story Highlights
- AP stories prompted federal and local legislative hearings, testing, disclosure
- Stories led officials in 27 areas to analyze their drinking water
- Drugs detected in water testing in Georgia, Nevada, Alabama and Colorado
- The overwhelming majority of U.S. cities have not tested drinking water
http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/conditions/09/11/pharma.testing.water.ap/
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Lighten up Francis. ;)
I was merely pointing out a couple of points made in the links ~ not agreeing nor disagreeing with them.
The problem that I have with your posts, Princess L, is that for the most part you have no idea what you're talking about, and you try to pass on your pseudo-scientific ramblings as facts. You don't provide a shred of evidence for anything you claim, or try to even come up with a logical explanation for how your concoctions might work. And stop calling me Francis. This is not the first time you call me this, and it's not my name.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Let's just imagine hypothetically that for some reason you're unable to get your pure fancy-pants distilled water anymore, you're gonna have no resistance to the common germs and shit in the water and you'll most likely get pretty ill. You can't go around living in a sterile bubble forever.
Do you have any evidence for this? Peoples who live in Papua New Guinea get all of their water from coconuts, and coconut water is completely devoid of all germs and bacterias and they don't seem to have any problems for it. You are constantly getting bacteria inside your system by breathing and touching stuff, so it's not like it matters anyway. The bacteria in water are also present in the air you breath and the food you eat - even organic produce and fruits -, so it souldn't matter regardless. I drink distilled water to avoid Chlorine, Mercury and other harmful inorganic minerals as well as fungicides that are present in tap or filtered water and not to avoid bacteria, which is something completely futile because it's impossible.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Do you have any evidence for this? Peoples who live in Papua New Guinea get all of their water from coconuts, and coconut water is completely devoid of all germs and bacterias and they don't seem to have any problems for it. You are constantly getting bacteria inside your system by breathing and touching stuff, so it's not like it matters anyway. The bacteria in water are also present in the air you breath and the food you eat - even organic produce and fruits -, so it souldn't matter regardless. I drink distilled water to avoid Chlorine, Mercury and other harmful inorganic minerals as well as fungicides that are present in tap or filtered water and not to avoid bacteria, which is something completely futile because it's impossible.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Sounds good regarding the germs/bacteria.
Do you think you'd get sick if you had to drink normal tap water because you're not used to the chlorine, mercury, and shit?
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The problem that I have with your posts, Princess L, is that for the most part you have no idea what you're talking about, and you try to pass on your pseudo-scientific ramblings as facts. You don't provide a shred of evidence for anything you claim, or try to even come up with a logical explanation for how your concoctions might work. And stop calling me Francis. This is not the first time you call me this, and it's not my name.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Ignorant as I was, I am less so now because of PL's presence on the board. She doesn't throw her hat into every scuffle, but what she posts has big time merit. Some of the best threads and most informative posts have been hers. Also, I dig her "here's some more info, draw your own conclusion" approach, as opposed to lots of guy's (including my own) approach of "Wrong. I'm going to correct you."
You can probably dig up something she said and determine it to be incorrect, but you're going to have a tough time showing her to be a detriment to the board.*
*even though I'm pretty sure she's the one who deleted my particularly wise-assed comment to Jag in this thread. 8)
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*even though I'm pretty sure she's the one who deleted my particularly wise-assed comment to Jag in this thread. 8)
I personally thought your comment was very funny. I followed it with an image of Magneto, but my post got deleted too. No sense of humor left on this board. :(
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a thought...
... the process of distilling water removes many necessary nutrients from the water. One would need to replenish those nutrients via another route, such as multi-vitamins or mineral supplements.
Mehbeh.
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Ignorant as I was, I am less so now because of PL's presence on the board. She doesn't throw her hat into every scuffle, but what she posts has big time merit. Some of the best threads and most informative posts have been hers. Also, I dig her "here's some more info, draw your own conclusion" approach, as opposed to lots of guy's (including my own) approach of "Wrong. I'm going to correct you."
You can probably dig up something she said and determine it to be incorrect, but you're going to have a tough time showing her to be a detriment to the board.*
*even though I'm pretty sure she's the one who deleted my particularly wise-assed comment to Jag in this thread. 8)
I personally thought your comment was very funny. I followed it with an image of Magneto, but my post got deleted too. No sense of humor left on this board. :(
Thank you for your words of support TW. You're right, I try not to jump into threads where a perfectly legitimate discussion is taking place, even if it is heated. There are times too where I have absolutely no interest and/or education in the topic, or I simply don't have the time to engage.
In the case of this thread, I'm fairly neutral on the subject as I've heard pros and cons, but mostly cons from reliable and more educated sources. Specifically on the magnatized H2O, I merely was pointing out a couple of quotes of the author - ie; food for thought.
When it comes to Jag, she can hold her own. I realize she is not a favorite among many, but she does often offer up interesting insight (mostly on other boards), whether you agree with her or not. In this particular case, the only *edit* performed by me as a MOD was to remove one word, which would be considered in violation of forum rule #1 (I don't believe it was in one of your posts TW)
As one of many MODS, trust me, I am not one to censor for the sake of someone's feelings, misinformation or stupidity.
Carry on... ;)
Lighten up Francis. ;)
I was merely pointing out a couple of points made in the links ~ not agreeing nor disagreeing with them.
The problem that I have with your posts, Princess L, is that for the most part you have no idea what you're talking about, and you try to pass on your pseudo-scientific ramblings as facts. You don't provide a shred of evidence for anything you claim, or try to even come up with a logical explanation for how your concoctions might work. And stop calling me Francis. This is not the first time you call me this, and it's not my name.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Sheesh ~ the last thing anyone could ever accuse me of is rambling.
Sorry if I've offended you with the Francis reference. You obviously don't know where that sarcasm came from. Shall I call you by your REAL name Pedro?
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I personally thought your comment was very funny. I followed it with an image of Magneto, but my post got deleted too.
Sorry, wasn't me :-\
No sense of humor left on this board. :(
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Do you think you'd get sick if you had to drink normal tap water because you're not used to the chlorine, mercury, and shit?
Why would one want to get used to ingesting toxic metals? I don't know if I'm getting more sick than most people who drink tape water are if I drink it after a long time only drinking distilled water. Maybe yes, maybe no. The thing is that you shouldn't get used to drinking toxic poisons in the same way you shouldn't get used to banging your head against the wall. Saying that you should get used to the toxic poisons in tap water because some day it might be your only option is analogous to saying that you should get used to banging your head against the wall because some day you might need to break something really hard with your head. There is no point in getting used to certain things.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Nobody has brought up the fact that Flouride is being added to our tap water also. Flouride use to be used as Rat Poison
and is instrumental in memory loss, illness, etc... The stuff is toxic, look it up!