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From Musclemag:
Reporter:There are some guys who claim steroids arent dangerous, while others say using them is like playin roulette. Do you personally feel that steroids were a major factor in what happened to you?
Mike: I know it was the drugs that caused this to happen and I dont care what anyone says. All the gurus and self proclaimed steroid experts who try to down play the risks are talking out there asses. They have no idea what will happen to people. Nobody in my family EVER had heart problems it WAS the steroids I took. Anythime you put a artficial drug in your body your takin a chance. Most guys think nothing will ever happen to them just watch I bet we will be seeing more serious heart problem and worse when they get to there 40's.
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Mike also would eat a shitload of red meat!
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Mike also ate a jar of peanut butter every day.
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Mike suffered a heart attack and two bypass operations by the time he reached the ripe old age of 40!
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Why is only mike having problems? ::)
Probably weak organs who were failing anyway. Steroids just made it happen sooner.
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Next he's going to blame gangster rap.
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5lbs of beef per day...
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Intellegent Bodybuilders megadosing have a Doctor by there side making sure the patient does not encounter disatarous side effects.
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steroids did play a part, no doubt. So did the 40 ounces of red meat he bragged about eating every day.
Attributing it all to gear makes him look bitter and ignorant. Next he'll be telling us it was only 1 shot of Primo every two weeks, and it made him all dizzy and stuff...
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steroids did play a part, no doubt. So did the 40 ounces of red meat he bragged about eating every day.
Attributing it all to gear makes him look bitter and ignorant. Next he'll be telling us it was only 1 shot of Primo every two weeks, and it made him all dizzy and stuff...
I wonder how much Mike weighs these days?
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steroids did play a part, no doubt. So did the 40 ounces of red meat he bragged about eating every day.
Attributing it all to gear makes him look bitter and ignorant. Next he'll be telling us it was only 1 shot of Primo every two weeks, and it made him all dizzy and stuff...
Bullseye.
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(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40806000/jpg/_40806628_chechnya_story_ap.jpg)
Ramzan chilling with Mike.
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Do you guys really think that red meat and peanut butter is worse for your heart than excessive(which is a garuntee) steroid usage along with any number of other drugs this IFBBer probably took?
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Do you guys really think that red meat and peanut butter is worse for your heart than excessive(which is a garuntee) steroid usage along with any number of other drugs this IFBBer probably took?
It might be 80% diet, 20% steroids.
It might be 20% diet, 80% steroids.
We know that most of the 90s guys are still healthy today. What makes Mike different? Was his drug use any different from the other guys?
It was primarily either his genetics, or the diet. If it was "all because of the drugs", we'd see a lot more guys with health problems. Of course, if Mike is looking for work, shitting all over gear use is what he wants to do. Maybe he can earn a few bucks speaking at high schools or something.
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My educated guess is that the megadoses he took were likely the most significant factor leading to eventual heart disease. Nearly 20 yrs of anabolics. I don't know if he did any other drugs but cocaine also causes significant heart problems. As does eating those huge quantities of red meat and being nearly 300lbs on a 200lb frame.
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We know that most of the 90s guys are still healthy today.
do you really know this? I would bet that most of the guys close to the top have or had some major health complication.
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While examples of heart problems can be found in any sport it's shocking the number of pro bodybuilders with heart problems. This is a small subculture of a "sport" and if you know it's history there are many bodybuilders who were pros who are now in their late 40's,50's and 60's with heart problems. The rationalization of young guys using drugs doesn't diminish the risk involved. You can smoke a life time and use heroin yet live to an old age. That exception doesn't diminish it's risk to health concerning the odds of ill health.
Lifting weights and doing cardio type exercise is good for health and anyone who thinks that using a syringe isn't a risk to health is a fool.
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From Musclemag:
Reporter:There are some guys who claim steroids arent dangerous, while others say using them is like playin roulette. Do you personally feel that steroids were a major factor in what happened to you?
Mike: I know it was the drugs that caused this to happen and I dont care what anyone says. All the gurus and self proclaimed steroid experts who try to down play the risks are talking out there asses. They have no idea what will happen to people. Nobody in my family EVER had heart problems it WAS the steroids I took. Anythime you put a artficial drug in your body your takin a chance. Most guys think nothing will ever happen to them just watch I bet we will be seeing more serious heart problem and worse when they get to there 40's.
It always amazes me that these guys, while taking the steroids, NEVER concern themselves about the possible repercussions while they are competing, winning trophies and a large and in charge....then as soon as somethign happens they all of a sudden want to scream from the roof tops about the dangers of said drugs....
If he were still in good condition do you think Mike would be screaming about the DANGERS of steroid abuse???
Is there anyone who has used lower dosages and never suffered any side effects? I ask becasue I wonder whether use of steroids or ABUSE of steroids causes these issues? Football, players, hockey players, basketball players and BB from the 70s and 80s seem to be without complications and the main difference between them an dtodays BB is the massive amount of steroids BB today use....
WHAT SAY ANY OF YOUS...
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what rec drugs was he doing?
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i hope he lives a long life,its a shame,but ya think he cared then when he was guest posing and sticking out his tongue and people shouting freak when he hit a bi pose no...
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Why is only mike having problems? ::)
Probably weak organs who were failing anyway. Steroids just made it happen sooner.
Don't know whether drugs are to blame, but Mattarazzo isn't the only guy from his era who had/has health problems.
Mike Francois
Flex Wheeler
Don Long
Andreas Munzer
Orville Burke
Dennis Newman
Curtis Leffler
Don Youngblood
Sonny Schmidt
Mohammed Benaziza
Tom Prince
May be others...
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The funny thing is that bodybuilders are still humans.
Thousands of "normal" non bodybuilding types have the same kind of problems. However when these people become ill we just blame genetics. When bodybuilders become ill it's always the steroids ::)
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Andreas Munzer
Don Youngblood
Sonny Schmidt
Yeah, death is a pretty serious health problem :P
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Why doesn't he blame the huge amount of stress that he put on his body for over 2 decades.
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Couldn't you still consider Mike better off than his drug-free dad?
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Are you a Dwarf fan? :o
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what rec drugs was he doing?
Good question. Anybody know?
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Are you a Dwarf fan? :o
yes :D
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My educated guess is that the megadoses he took were likely the most significant factor leading to eventual heart disease. Nearly 20 yrs of anabolics. I don't know if he did any other drugs but cocaine also causes significant heart problems. As does eating those huge quantities of red meat and being nearly 300lbs on a 200lb frame.
Big time. Anyone who has used coke and ends up with heart problems needn't look any further for the cause. It's probably the biggest destructive force on the American heart in the past 30 years.
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Mike also ate a jar of peanut butter every day.
correction, 2 to 3 jars a day....lol
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He previously said he used everything under the sun. Whatever it took to give him an edge in the next show. He said he was always pushing the envelope, but now it's "all steroids"? ::)
kit kat bar
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steroids did play a part, no doubt. So did the 40 ounces of red meat he bragged about eating every day.
Attributing it all to gear makes him look bitter and ignorant. Next he'll be telling us it was only 1 shot of Primo every two weeks, and it made him all dizzy and stuff...
this is EXACTLY the point he makes in his statement- that the so called gurus and experts will play it down and such.
The body will use what it can, then get rid of what it cant. If he ate red meat naturally etc he'd be putting most of down the toilet. Besides, it was the gear that allowed him to consume such enormous quantities.
any way you look at it, steroids were the root cause. you'd have to be in a state of denial to think otherwise..most getbiggers are.
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From Musclemag:
Reporter:There are some guys who claim steroids arent dangerous, while others say using them is like playin roulette. Do you personally feel that steroids were a major factor in what happened to you?
Mike: I know it was the drugs that caused this to happen and I dont care what anyone says. All the gurus and self proclaimed steroid experts who try to down play the risks are talking out there asses. They have no idea what will happen to people. Nobody in my family EVER had heart problems it WAS the steroids I took. Anythime you put a artficial drug in your body your takin a chance. Most guys think nothing will ever happen to them just watch I bet we will be seeing more serious heart problem and worse when they get to there 40's.
I'm sure they were part of the problem but even he said himself the sport is not healthy from , the diets , to the drugs , to the extreme stresses put on the body
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I'm sure they were part of the problem but even he said himself the sport is not healthy from , the diets , to the drugs , to the extreme stresses put on the body
Not a sport
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Not a sport
the dictionary says it is
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Not a sport
See semantics
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I laugh when people make a list and it only consist of ten people in a whole induistry out of 2-3 era's. Are they trying to say that none of them, would be sick what so ever, I mean I can pick a bigger list out of sick and dead people out of my elemantary school, hello stupids heart problems happan to people who don't juice all the time. This guy also shoved gallons of oil in his arms and delts, that shitt leaks intgo your arteries, c'mon.
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I laugh when people make a list and it only consist of ten people in a whole induistry out of 2-3 era's. Are they trying to say that none of them, would be sick what so ever, I mean I can pick a bigger list out of sick and dead people out of my elemantary school, hello stupids heart problems happan to people who don't juice all the time. This guy also shoved gallons of oil in his arms and delts, that shitt leaks intgo your arteries, c'mon.
Do you think Jesus approves of you juicing?
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Do you think anybody on this board cares about your stupid comments. People ask me for help here on nutrition on training, diets, lifting, anything related because I know what I am talking about, what purpose do you serve here other then laughing at people who believe in God or just roming about the threads because clearly you have no life, do your students complain because you can't possibly act serious.
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It always amazes me that these guys, while taking the steroids, NEVER concern themselves about the possible repercussions while they are competing, winning trophies and a large and in charge....then as soon as somethign happens they all of a sudden want to scream from the roof tops about the dangers of said drugs....
If he were still in good condition do you think Mike would be screaming about the DANGERS of steroid abuse???
Is there anyone who has used lower dosages and never suffered any side effects? I ask becasue I wonder whether use of steroids or ABUSE of steroids causes these issues? Football, players, hockey players, basketball players and BB from the 70s and 80s seem to be without complications and the main difference between them an dtodays BB is the massive amount of steroids BB today use....
WHAT SAY ANY OF YOUS...
quoted as the most relevant post of this thread.
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I laugh when people make a list and it only consist of ten people in a whole induistry out of 2-3 era's. Are they trying to say that none of them, would be sick what so ever, I mean I can pick a bigger list out of sick and dead people out of my elemantary school, hello stupids heart problems happan to people who don't juice all the time. This guy also shoved gallons of oil in his arms and delts, that shitt leaks intgo your arteries, c'mon.
Oh brother.....
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Oh brother.....
Hahahaaaaaaahhahhaha.... guy loved Jebus and rams syringes up his ass cheeks...hilarious...
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Oh brother.....
Speak up don't hold your tongue, are you scared, people abuse anything and they will get hurt abviously even reguler medicine, but the issue about proof that steroids causes heart problems because someone that has used steroids has heart problems is lame, C'mon getbig wanabe "oh brother" how original
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Speak up don't hold your tongue, are you scared, people abuse anything and they will get hurt abviously even reguler medicine, but the issue about proof that steroids causes heart problems because someone that has used steroids has heart problems is lame, C'mon getbig wanabe "oh brother" how original
i agree with you here.
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Hahahaaaaaaahhahhaha....guy loved Jebus and rams syringes up his ass cheeks...hilarious...
So do a lot of bodybuilders, but I ain't hiding it, what I don't get your approval
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i agree with you here.
Thank you squad for once
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Thank you squad for once
way more problems will arise from 2 packs of marlboro's a day or drinking every day than 750mg. of test a week.
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So do a lot of bodybuilders, but I ain't hiding it, what I don't get your approval
Yes, but you are also a pious Christian: I ask you again...does Jesus approve of your steroid abuse?
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Hahahaaaaaaahhahhaha....guy loved Jebus and rams syringes up his ass cheeks...hilarious...
Well, you have to go no further than Ronnie Coleman, a self professed Christian, who has ZERO problems abusing drugs and sleeping around. But hey, as long as you ask "god" for forgiveness, it will be okay.
I love how these people justify their actions.
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Yes, but you are also a pious Christian: I ask you again...does Jesus approve of your steroid abuse?
Jesus sat with evil people and eat with them and asked them to follow him, so would he accept after I do roids-yes, I have read from Genesis to Rev. and I don't recall hearing steroids is wrong ;)
Totally off topic, nice way of attacking someone when he has a point.
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Jesus sat with evil people and eat with them and asked them to follow him, so would he accept after I do roids-yes, I have read from Genesis to Rev. and I don't recall hearing steroids is wrong ;)
I'me an athiest but i can point out to you, why your acts are un-christian.
The bible says 2 things very clearly.,
1. Gluttony is a sin - A bodybuilding diet is gluttonus to say the least, bodybuilders enough food for 3 people.
2. Vanity is a sin - Bodybuilders spend most of the time infront of the mirror, and vanity is why everyone starts training.
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I'me an athiest but i can point out to you, why your acts are un-christian.
The bible says 2 things very clearly.,
1. Gluttony is a sin - A bodybuilding diet is gluttonus to say the least, bodybuilders enough food for 3 people.
2. Vanity is a sin - Bodybuilders spend most of the time infront of the mirror, and vanity is why everyone starts training.
Glad to see you have a sense of humour
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day in...day out...day in...day out....
vanity and gluttony...gluttony and vanity...vanity and gluttony
gee, it does kinda sound like bodybuilding i guess :-\
:)
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Don't know whether drugs are to blame, but Mattarazzo isn't the only guy from his era who had/has health problems.
Mike Francois
Flex Wheeler
Don Long
Andreas Munzer
Orville Burke
Dennis Newman
Curtis Leffler
Don Youngblood
Sonny Schmidt
Mohammed Benaziza
Tom Prince
May be others...
that one Asian dude also had a massive heart attack a few years back. His name escapes me right now though
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I saw Matarazzo as a guest poser about 2-3 years (not sure of the exact dates) before this happen in Tallahassee, FL. One of the first things they guys said, and I quote here, "Who wants pizzzzzzaaaa?!" He then hit a most muscular.
It was as much the diet as the roids imo.
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I was thinking of Kris Dim. How's he doing now?
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Lets see
On a rating scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the highest risk factor for massive heart attack
1. massive size heart. (9)
2. massive amounts of red meat (9)
3. massive amounts of Peanut Butter (9)
4. massive amounts of steroids (7)
5. massive amounts of anti/estos (9)
6. massive amounts of HGH (6)
7. massive amounts of ephedrine (10)
8. massive amounts of bodyweight (9)
9. massive amounts of stress(hot head) (10)
10. massively high blood pressure (10)
Unknowns
11. recreational drugs not being speed (2)
12. recreational drugs being speed/coke (10)
13. massive amounts of plague build up on teeth (9)
14. massive amounts of LA's TAP water (7)
15. LA's air (6)
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5lbs of red meat a day contains over 1500mg of cholesterol, then you can add any eggs he ate and that peanut butter, lol the reccomended ammount is under 500mg.
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All beef and peanut butter...
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heart problems can come from ignoring illness, when you get sick and push thorugh an ilness without seeing a doctor or finishing your meds there is a chance the virus can scar your heart, eventually that will kill you...Steroids may give the user a feeling of invincibility and he may not feel as sick as he actually is and therfore ignor his symptons...Its rare but it does happen, and many people have Congestive Heart Failure for failing to get medical attention when they were young and got sick.
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He needed Jebus...
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God there really are some idiots on this fucking board! You really believe eating a jar of peanut butter a day and all the red meat you can is going to make a 40 year old require bypass surgery and cause major heart disease? Gimme a fucking break. It's probably a combination of genetics AND drug use. Drug use meaning all the fucking coke and rec drugs these guys as well as Mike have done and all the diuretics, thyroid drugs etc. they have to take to get into contest shape. Testosterone + PB + red meat does not equal major heart disease! And like NYCBULL said infections at an early age can lead to heart disease and valve problems later in life. Mike's were coronary in nature but the premise still stands. It wasn't just bodybuilding and anabolic steroids that caused his problems. Hell for all we know Mike could have used the shit out of nolvadex or other anti-estrogens. These are some of the most underrated drugs as far as side effects in bodybuilding. Everyone thinks they are so safe, they are not. Read the scientific literature. You can ingest copious amounts of cholesterol on a daily basis and it will have no bearing on your blood levels in your body. And yes saturated fat plays a bigger role in cholesterol ratios etc. But peanut butter is actually a lot healthier than sitting around eating fucking chips, drinking soda, and downing all the other crap most Americans eat on a daily basis like another poster said. He could have become diabetic for all we know and not even realized it.
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Why is only mike having problems? ::)
Probably weak organs who were failing anyway. Steroids just made it happen sooner.
Do you really have to be so fuc*king stupid?
What he says is just exactly the point of the matter, and fact is that you never know ahead what is going to happen. When you take ANY drug, you are taking a chance, and not least with these bb:ing drugs which comes from black market. They are made by crooks, sell by crooks, used by ignorant bb:ers, and outcome from all this, is death in age of 50. Who want that to happen, who has planned that ahead. Now I take the drugs and when I am 50 years old, I die.
These guys who talk at dismissive way about these drugs, are in the business, they want your money in one way or another. They are self claimed gurus(read: real life idiots) who doesn't give a shit if die by drugs which they sell or not. HotRodMan has a nice list with pro's with drug related health problems, but try to guess how many power lifters, wrestlers or non-professional bb:ers there is to be found with similar problems. Tens of thousands just in USA, hundred of thousands in whole world.
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Lets see
On a rating scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the highest risk factor for massive heart attack
1. massive size heart. (9)
2. massive amounts of red meat (9)
3. massive amounts of Peanut Butter (9)
4. massive amounts of steroids (7)
5. massive amounts of anti/estos (9)
6. massive amounts of HGH (6)
7. massive amounts of ephedrine (10)
8. massive amounts of bodyweight (9)
9. massive amounts of stress(hot head) (10)
10. massively high blood pressure (10)
Unknowns
11. recreational drugs not being speed (2)
12. recreational drugs being speed/coke (10)
13. massive amounts of plague build up on teeth (9)
14. massive amounts of LA's TAP water (7)
15. LA's air (6)
So you write a list where is causes and symptoms side by side? What you try to say. It seem to me that you don't have any clue about the subject, but that's ok. You are child and you do not need to know everything, but you want to learn. So let see:
1. massive size heart. (9)
2. massive amounts of red meat (9)
3. massive amounts of Peanut Butter (9)
4. massive amounts of steroids (7)
5. massive amounts of anti/estos (9)
6. massive amounts of HGH (6)
7. massive amounts of ephedrine (10)
8. massive amounts of bodyweight (9)
9. massive amounts of stress(hot head) (10)
10. massively high blood pressure (10)
In REAL LIFE you get 1,8,9,10, if you use 4,5,6,7,2,3 in that order, so what you are saying is that he is just right. If he never has used those drugs, he probably doesn't have any heart problems. Those other counts doesn't play any role in this matter, because heavy use of rec. drugs and BB:ing career doesn't go together. Just look King and Titus =)
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From Musclemag:
Reporter:There are some guys who claim steroids arent dangerous, while others say using them is like playin roulette. Do you personally feel that steroids were a major factor in what happened to you?
Mike: I know it was the drugs that caused this to happen and I dont care what anyone says. All the gurus and self proclaimed steroid experts who try to down play the risks are talking out there asses. They have no idea what will happen to people. Nobody in my family EVER had heart problems it WAS the steroids I took. Anythime you put a artficial drug in your body your takin a chance. Most guys think nothing will ever happen to them just watch I bet we will be seeing more serious heart problem and worse when they get to there 40's.
So Hank, was Mike taking mere use or abuse? I say it was long term abuse.
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So Mike goes to Flex magazine and brazenly asks the fans to donate 'their' money so 'he' can pay his hospital bills....
Are you serious Mike?
What happened to all that money you made in the '90's?
Surely, you didn't 'blow' it all?
No medical insurance? Hmmmmmm
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ALL good points,all speculation,only mikes body knows why it ended up the way it did.if not treated he would have been dead,so there ya go.
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So Mike goes to Flex magazine and brazenly asks the fans to donate 'their' money so 'he' can pay his hospital bills....
Are you serious Mike?
What happened to all that money you made in the '90's?
Surely, you didn't 'blow' it all?
No medical insurance? Hmmmmmm
What a dumbass. Mike wants his fans to pay for his stupidity. Guy should just kill himself and then we can pitch in for his pine box.
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The basic point is that massive drug use over a period of years often cause serious premature medical problems. Anyone arguing against that has blinders on. Get off the massive amounts of steroids.
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I blame Mike for his own health problems. What is up with nobody taking responsibility for any of the choices they have made. Mike did this to himself. Quit blaming roids for everything, however Bernie Mac and Issac Hayes' deaths I am sure were from roids because you are immune to all health problems if you dont do steroids. :P
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overdue almost anything and it is bound to have reprecussions. the casual steroid user has no worries.
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If I were him I'd be bitter too.
20+ years of roid consumption and he still looked like shit between his knees and his armpits.
;D
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Not to mention Arnold had heart bypass surgery at 50.
Also the heart is a muscle, when you take stuff to make muscles grow,
so does your heart. Mike bragged about all the meat and carbs he ate.
If he overdid this with food, just think of how much gear he was on.
OMFG
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I'me an athiest but i can point out to you, why your acts are un-christian.
The bible says 2 things very clearly.,
1. Gluttony is a sin - A bodybuilding diet is gluttonus to say the least, bodybuilders enough food for 3 people.
2. Vanity is a sin - Bodybuilders spend most of the time infront of the mirror, and vanity is why everyone starts training.
For an atheist, you are pretty smart.
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Mike also would eat a shitload of red meat!
right on, i think this is probably one of the major influences of his current health problem. Mike has always stated that he never did that much as far as drugs, so one must assume that eating upwards of 5-6 lbs of red meat a day could speed up atherosclerosis, he essentially experienced a lifetime of red meat consumption in about 15 yrs.
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Steroids all good into mid twenties. If you are on juice in your 30's you are either : broke, have a face that resembles Leatherface, have an IQ of 2, have the self confidence of a 12 year old girl or are completely and utterly retarded. You walk around the gym in a tank top or Body Armour shirt 2 sizes too small and drive a 94 Cavalier.
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Blame, blame, blame.
Man up and take responsibility for one's actions.
Stop the selfish pursuit of body modification. It should 'not' be an 'at any costs' ideal.
But fundamentally, it is about respect!
Respecting one's body, family and sense of spirituality.
Unfortunately, these constructs lose any real validity when you throw steroids, rec drugs, gh and insulin into the mix!
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Don't know whether drugs are to blame, but Mattarazzo isn't the only guy from his era who had/has health problems.
Mike Francois
Flex Wheeler
Don Long
Andreas Munzer
Orville Burke
Dennis Newman
Curtis Leffler
Don Youngblood
Sonny Schmidt
Mohammed Benaziza
Tom Prince
May be others...
Abuse vs Use of AAS.
All those listed are extreme abusers of steroids and other compounds plus other types of drugs...
Listing those guys above you have provided no link between steroid use and health problems..If anything is to blame its professional bodybuilding.
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Abuse vs Use of AAS.
All those listed are extreme abusers of steroids and other compounds plus other types of drugs...
Listing those guys above you have provided no link between steroid use and health problems..If anything is to blame its professional bodybuilding.
Note I clearly said "Don't know whether drugs had anything to do with it..."
I was simply pointing out that Mike was not "the only one from his era" with health problems.
My personal opinion is that Mike's and the others health problems (and deaths) had more than one cause. Heredity, diet, and overuse of bodybuilding drugs all contributed.
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Mike would boast about consuming a jar of peanut butter per day! Who would find that boast impressive?
Mike would love to try and impress people with tales of his diet of 7 pounds of red meat per day! What kind of person would think that's impressive?
My point is, the guy had some really deep issues going on inside his head. The warning signs were obvious, yet everyone just stood back and let Mike go on his merry way!
Gee, he had some good friends! Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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whatever.... tens of thousands of guys take a moderate amount aas and have no health problems (in fact just the opposite), maybe dont take 5 gms a week and ease up on the eggs bro
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Mike would tend to brag about his obscene diet and drug regime.
And no one battered an eyelid!
Hmmmmm. Speaks volumes about this industry!