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And the pussification of America continues:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/26/sports/baseball/26youth.html?ref=sports
Too Good to Pitch? 9-Year-Old Is Barred
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: August 25, 2008
NEW HAVEN (AP) — Nine-year-old Jericho Scott is a good baseball player — too good, it turns out.
The right-handed Scott has a fastball that travels about 40 miles an hour. He throws so hard that the Youth Baseball League of New Haven told his coach that Scott could no longer pitch in the league. When Jericho took the mound anyway last week, the opposing team forfeited the game, packed its gear and left, Scott’s coach, Wilfred Vidro said.
Officials for the three-year-old league, which has eight teams and about 100 players, said they would disband Jericho’s team, redistributing its players among other teams, and offered to refund the $50 sign-up fees. Officials also said that Vidro had resigned.
But Vidro said he did not quit and the team refused to disband. Players and parents protested at the league’s field Saturday, urging the league to let Jericho pitch.
“He’s never hurt any one,” Vidro said. “He’s on target all the time. How can you punish a kid for being too good?”
The controversy bothers Jericho, who said he missed pitching.
“I feel sad,” he said. “I feel like it’s all my fault nobody could play.”
Vidro and Jericho’s parents said he was being unfairly targeted because he turned down an invitation to join the defending league champion, which is sponsored by an employer of one of the league’s administrators.
He instead joined a team that was 8-0 and on its way to the playoffs when he was barred from pitching.
“I think it’s discouraging when you’re telling a 9-year-old you’re too good at something,” his mother, Nicole Scott, said. “The whole objective in life is to find something you’re good at and stick with it.
“I’d rather he spend all his time on the baseball field than idolizing someone standing on the street corner.”
Peter Noble, a lawyer for the league, said the only factor in banning Jericho from pitching was that his pitches were too fast.
“He is a very skilled player, a very hard thrower,” Noble said. “There are a lot of beginners. This is not a high-powered league. This is a developmental league whose main purpose is to promote the sport.”
Noble acknowledged that Jericho had not hit any batters in the coed league of 8- to 10-year-olds, but he said that parents expressed safety concerns.
“Facing that kind of speed” is frightening for beginning players, Noble said.
League officials said they first told Vidro that Jericho could not pitch after a game Aug. 13. He played second base in the next game, Aug. 16. But when he took the mound Wednesday, the other team walked off and a forfeit was called.
League officials suggested that Jericho play other positions, or pitch against older players or in a different league.
Local attorney John Williams was planning to meet with Jericho's parents Monday to discuss legal options.
"You don't have to be learned in the law to know in your heart that it's wrong," he said. "Now you have to be punished because you excel at something?"
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Will Vidro is a friend of mine and one hell of a bodybuilder. He made it to WNBF pro level, and won his class a number of times and nealy won the overall at the NPC CT. Tremendous arms.
That is a BS deal.
I hope he ends up on HBO's Real Sports with Gumbel.
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All chocolate milk.
Seriously though, good job to the moms and dads who are teaching their kids to be pussies and to wimp out instead of improving their play to hit a pitch from this kid.
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Maby he should try bodybuilding insted
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All chocolate milk.
Seriously though, good job to the moms and dads who are teaching their kids to be pussies and to wimp out instead of improving their play to hit a pitch from this kid.
I agree with you 100%.
My daughter's mom is one of those "I can't" and "well, she doesn't have to do it if she doesn't want to, even though she committed to do it" people and it pisses me the fuck off.
Where I'm from, you finish what you start. And if an opponent is better than you, you get better.
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can't he just move up to the next level?
When i played little league, there were a few hitters and pitchers who were too good for our AAA level (age 10-11 or whatever).
So instead having them hit 5 HRs a game or pitch no-hitters, they moved up to AA level (age 12-13 I believe) and they were suddenly very GOOD players there.
A year there, and they were ready to move up to A ball, which meant they were 12 years old playing with 15 year olds... and they were stars, phenoms, getting plenty of press for it.
instead hitting homers all day off slow 10 year olds, they were playing against high schoolers, and they got more opportunities because of it.
Just move the kids up. It would be hella boring to go to a little league game and see 1 kid strike out every kid. Let them have some fun. If he wants to be a star in baseball, move up to the next level, and stop picking on scrubs all day.
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can't he just move up to the next level?
When i played little league, there were a few hitters and pitchers who were too good for our AAA level (age 10-11 or whatever).
So instead having them hit 5 HRs a game or pitch no-hitters, they moved up to AA level (age 12-13 I believe) and they were suddenly very GOOD players there.
A year there, and they were ready to move up to A ball, which meant they were 12 years old playing with 15 year olds... and they were stars, phenoms, getting plenty of press for it.
instead hitting homers all day off slow 10 year olds, they were playing against high schoolers, and they got more opportunities because of it.
Just move the kids up. It would be hella boring to go to a little league game and see 1 kid strike out every kid. Let them have some fun. If he wants to be a star in baseball, move up to the next level, and stop picking on scrubs all day.
Likely true
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can't he just move up to the next level?
When i played little league, there were a few hitters and pitchers who were too good for our AAA level (age 10-11 or whatever).
So instead having them hit 5 HRs a game or pitch no-hitters, they moved up to AA level (age 12-13 I believe) and they were suddenly very GOOD players there.
A year there, and they were ready to move up to A ball, which meant they were 12 years old playing with 15 year olds... and they were stars, phenoms, getting plenty of press for it.
instead hitting homers all day off slow 10 year olds, they were playing against high schoolers, and they got more opportunities because of it.
Just move the kids up. It would be hella boring to go to a little league game and see 1 kid strike out every kid. Let them have some fun. If he wants to be a star in baseball, move up to the next level, and stop picking on scrubs all day.
+2x^2
agreed
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I agree with you 100%.
My daughter's mom is one of those "I can't" and "well, she doesn't have to do it if she doesn't want to, even though she committed to do it" people and it pisses me the fuck off.
Where I'm from, you finish what you start. And if an opponent is better than you, you get better.
Spoken like an adult.
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I agree with you 100%.
My daughter's mom is one of those "I can't" and "well, she doesn't have to do it if she doesn't want to, even though she committed to do it" people and it pisses me the fuck off.
Where I'm from, you finish what you start. And if an opponent is better than you, you get better.
You hit the nail on the head
Everyone wants their kids to become lawyers and shit but their attitudes are on the contrary.
Kids should be perseverant, it will come naturally to some than others but they should be encouraged by their family anyway.
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You hit the nail on the head
Everyone wants their kids to become lawyers and shit but their attitudes are on the contrary.
Kids should be perseverant, it will come naturally to some than others but they should be encouraged by their family anyway.
I have worked with a big time branding expert, Rob Frankl.
best advice he has ever given me:
Don't Quit.
My best friend /circuit court judge gave me good advice at gbraduation:
"DFU"= Don't Fuck Up.
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I agree with you 100%.
My daughter's mom is one of those "I can't" and "well, she doesn't have to do it if she doesn't want to, even though she committed to do it" people and it pisses me the fuck off.
Where I'm from, you finish what you start. And if an opponent is better than you, you get better.
If my kid was playing against him, I'd spend extra time practicing with him. Simple as that. Everyone expects their little Susie or Johnny to be the shit at all times and when they are not, the system is flawed. Moms would be worried about their kid's emotions and possibly safety and dads just wouldn't want their kid to look stupid.
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thats the way of these people
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And the pussification of America continues:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/26/sports/baseball/26youth.html?ref=sports
Too Good to Pitch? 9-Year-Old Is Barred
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: August 25, 2008
NEW HAVEN (AP) — Nine-year-old Jericho Scott is a good baseball player — too good, it turns out.
The right-handed Scott has a fastball that travels about 40 miles an hour. He throws so hard that the Youth Baseball League of New Haven told his coach that Scott could no longer pitch in the league. When Jericho took the mound anyway last week, the opposing team forfeited the game, packed its gear and left, Scott’s coach, Wilfred Vidro said.
Officials for the three-year-old league, which has eight teams and about 100 players, said they would disband Jericho’s team, redistributing its players among other teams, and offered to refund the $50 sign-up fees. Officials also said that Vidro had resigned.
But Vidro said he did not quit and the team refused to disband. Players and parents protested at the league’s field Saturday, urging the league to let Jericho pitch.
“He’s never hurt any one,” Vidro said. “He’s on target all the time. How can you punish a kid for being too good?”
The controversy bothers Jericho, who said he missed pitching.
“I feel sad,” he said. “I feel like it’s all my fault nobody could play.”
Vidro and Jericho’s parents said he was being unfairly targeted because he turned down an invitation to join the defending league champion, which is sponsored by an employer of one of the league’s administrators.
He instead joined a team that was 8-0 and on its way to the playoffs when he was barred from pitching.
“I think it’s discouraging when you’re telling a 9-year-old you’re too good at something,” his mother, Nicole Scott, said. “The whole objective in life is to find something you’re good at and stick with it.
“I’d rather he spend all his time on the baseball field than idolizing someone standing on the street corner.”
Peter Noble, a lawyer for the league, said the only factor in banning Jericho from pitching was that his pitches were too fast.
“He is a very skilled player, a very hard thrower,” Noble said. “There are a lot of beginners. This is not a high-powered league. This is a developmental league whose main purpose is to promote the sport.”
Noble acknowledged that Jericho had not hit any batters in the coed league of 8- to 10-year-olds, but he said that parents expressed safety concerns.
“Facing that kind of speed” is frightening for beginning players, Noble said.
League officials said they first told Vidro that Jericho could not pitch after a game Aug. 13. He played second base in the next game, Aug. 16. But when he took the mound Wednesday, the other team walked off and a forfeit was called.
League officials suggested that Jericho play other positions, or pitch against older players or in a different league.
Local attorney John Williams was planning to meet with Jericho's parents Monday to discuss legal options.
"You don't have to be learned in the law to know in your heart that it's wrong," he said. "Now you have to be punished because you excel at something?"
This attorney is a complete idiot. Even the kid that's good is in the developmental stages, he just progressed faster than the other kids. My suggestion to the parents is to get their kid some individual coaching be it hitting, pitching, fielding or catching. On the other hand if I were the parent of that kid, I'd yank him out of that league in a heartbeat and stick him in a travel ball league where the players are recruited onto a team or scouted.
Parents are turning kids into a bunch of pussies nowadays by being over protective when it comes to sports.
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I know when I played ball when I was 12 or so there would be pitchers throwing curves and hard fastballs from the inner city. My dad took me to the batting cage and had me go to the fastest cage. Pretty soon the fastest pitchers were not so fast. I thank my dad for not being a fucking pussy and just throw in the towel like those poor excuse for parents. What's next? "Fuck school it's too hard", "Fuck a job it's too hard"? They are not doing these fag kids any favors by walking away from a challenge.
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On a side note, I think that coaches and parents who allow and teach kids to throw just is as close to child abuse as one can get....nothing pisses me off more :(
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And the pussification of America continues:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/26/sports/baseball/26youth.html?ref=sports
Too Good to Pitch? 9-Year-Old Is Barred
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: August 25, 2008
NEW HAVEN (AP) — Nine-year-old Jericho Scott is a good baseball player — too good, it turns out.
The right-handed Scott has a fastball that travels about 40 miles an hour. He throws so hard that the Youth Baseball League of New Haven told his coach that Scott could no longer pitch in the league. When Jericho took the mound anyway last week, the opposing team forfeited the game, packed its gear and left, Scott’s coach, Wilfred Vidro said.
40 mph is not fast at all. Wonder why they said he pitched to fast.
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40 mph is not fast at all. Wonder why they said he pitched to fast.
Because the other 9 year olds are pitching 20 MPH....
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All chocolate milk.
Seriously though, good job to the moms and dads who are teaching their kids to be pussies and to wimp out instead of improving their play to hit a pitch from this kid.
funny
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On a side note, I think that coaches and parents who allow and teach kids to throw just is as close to child abuse as one can get....nothing pisses me off more :(
Yes...fucking curveballs at the age of 12...and Tommy John surgery at 17
Great plan
I would not change a thing.... :-\
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Because the other 9 year olds are pitching 20 MPH....
lol
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It's possible that I did not end up with a career in baseball because my dad wouldn't let me throw my curveball, which was my dominant pitch at the time. I'm not going to say that I was the best in the state or anything, but even at the age of 10, I knew it was nasty.
Life has turned out ok, but maybe it would've been a little bit sweeter if I was playing in the Big Show. ;D
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Because the other 9 year olds are pitching 20 MPH....
Good call
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It's possible that I did not end up with a career in baseball because my dad wouldn't let me throw my curveball, which was my dominant pitch at the time. I'm not going to say that I was the best in the state or anything, but even at the age of 10, I knew it was nasty.
Life has turned out ok, but maybe it would've been a little bit sweeter if I was playing in the Big Show. ;D
10 years old and throwing a curve? Are you sure that wasn't a Wiffle Ball..lol. J/K. You would have never made it if you started that young. Arm would have been screwed. I think 16 is a good age to start an advanced plan in pitching.
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can't he just move up to the next level?
When i played little league, there were a few hitters and pitchers who were too good for our AAA level (age 10-11 or whatever).
So instead having them hit 5 HRs a game or pitch no-hitters, they moved up to AA level (age 12-13 I believe) and they were suddenly very GOOD players there.
A year there, and they were ready to move up to A ball, which meant they were 12 years old playing with 15 year olds... and they were stars, phenoms, getting plenty of press for it.
instead hitting homers all day off slow 10 year olds, they were playing against high schoolers, and they got more opportunities because of it.
Just move the kids up. It would be hella boring to go to a little league game and see 1 kid strike out every kid. Let them have some fun. If he wants to be a star in baseball, move up to the next level, and stop picking on scrubs all day.
What if all the kid can do is pitch well.it would suck for him to sit the rest of the time because he can't hit or field at that level.
parents are pussies today.how often does this kid pitch.the kids will face him maybe once or twice a year? kids should deal with it.
I guess Mariano Rivera shouldn't be allowed to close games for the Yanks because major league hitters can't hit his cutter ::)
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10 years old and throwing a curve? Are you sure that wasn't a Wiffle Ball..lol. J/K. You would have never made it if you started that young. Arm would have been screwed. I think 16 is a good age to start an advanced plan in pitching.
That's what Dad said, too.
I was upset, though.
The irony is that I hate (major league) baseball now, but it's only normal to wonder 'what if'. :)
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10 years old and throwing a curve? Are you sure that wasn't a Wiffle Ball..lol. J/K. You would have never made it if you started that young. Arm would have been screwed. I think 16 is a good age to start an advanced plan in pitching.
When i was in high school we had a mexican kid trying to throw the split finger fastball...Elbow is all fucked now...
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10 years old and throwing a curve? Are you sure that wasn't a Wiffle Ball..lol. J/K. You would have never made it if you started that young. Arm would have been screwed. I think 16 is a good age to start an advanced plan in pitching.
Kids ARE throwing junk at an early age an the parents, coaches and leagues are allowing it by NOT setting rules, Little League used to have the rule but have since starting to allow it. The Pony and Travel ball leagues, USSSA specifically does allow it. I wrote a pretty scathing article for the LA Times and OC Register. I also wrote a letter to the president of the USSSA noting my findings that were signed and backed by Orthos of the Curland/Jobe Clinic (the Clinic who works with the Angels, Kings, Mighty Ducks) even offered to do educational seminars with the Dr's and the snubbed their nose at the idea.
BASEBALL SEASON!
By Joe Marino
Each spring kids look forward to the start of Little League, Pony and the all year long travel baseball each year and with that being said, we see an increase in elbow problems in young baseball players. A common elbow problem in these children is “Little League Elbow”.
Annually, an estimated 4.8 million children aged 5-14 years participate in baseball and softball. The incidence of overuse injuries in the 9-12 year old range for baseball is 20-40% and in the adolescent age group is 30-50%.
Injury usually occurs due to repetitive throwing and more importantly, the use of curve balls or other breaking ball pitches that causes excessive rotation of the shoulder, elbow and wrist. And with the child not being fully developed, could eventually lead to stress placed on the elbow by pulling excessively on the tendons and ligaments and possible growth plate injuries.
I have a several theories on why these injuries are happening at such a young age. The first being poor coaching, not of the game itself, rather the teaching of poor throwing mechanics. Secondly, teaching or letting the kids throw breaking balls at an early age. Thirdly, allowing the pitch count to get too high and finally, coaches either doesn’t know the possible effects or they have a “win at all cost” mindset and just don’t care by enabling the kids to throw junk balls.
To help cut down on injuries during the season, it is always a good idea to have a good off season strength and conditioning program to help prepare for an upcoming season. Proper exercise is a great benefit to young athletes and non-athletes as well; it helps prepare them with the knowledge exercise and good eating habits that will last a lifetime.
Ok, Now that I got all the cutesy crap out the way, lets talk some commonsense. Why, oh why with as long as some of these coaches been coaches would they let a kid, let’s say 10, 11, 12 or even early teens allow a kid who hasn’t even hit puberty yet, is no where near fully developed, to throw junk balls and run up a pitch count during a game (not to mention throwing during practice time)? Is it not knowing, is it being naïve, is it knowing and just don’t give a s**t and just win at all costs? In my opinion it’s all of it and about as close to child abuse as one can get in my opinion. Coaches, parents and players need to be educated on how something like this could not only affect their kid’s performance now, but in the future as well in almost all sports they might decide to play later.
Just over the last 5 years I have had to help rehab 4 kids ranging from 17-19 years old that have had Tommy John surgery. If you don’t know exactly what Tommy John surgery is, let me help you out. Tommy John surgery is a reconstruction of the UCL (Ulnar Collateral Ligament ) in which a ligament in the medial elbow is replaced with a tendon from another part of the body, usually the forearm, knee or hamstring. It’s a long painful rehab process that can sometimes last up to a year. If a coach or parent cares at all about the health of a player, the last thing that kid should be doing is throwing junk from a pitching mound or be put in a situation that causes overuse.
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What if all the kid can do is pitch well.it would suck for him to sit the rest of the time because he can't hit or field at that level.
parents are pussies today.how often does this kid pitch.the kids will face him maybe once or twice a year? kids should deal with it.
I guess Mariano Rivera shouldn't be allowed to close games for the Yanks because major league hitters can't hit his cutter ::)
it comes down to this... what is the goal of little league?
To win? Or for all the kids to have fun?
Many of the little leagues, particular football and basketball, have rules where every kids plays at least 2 minutes every game. Goal is to let kids play, not win.
if the goal is to WIN, then by all means, lace em up and let the best kids play.
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it comes down to this... what is the goal of little league?
To win? Or for all the kids to have fun?
Many of the little leagues, particular football and basketball, have rules where every kids plays at least 2 minutes every game. Goal is to let kids play, not win.
if the goal is to WIN, then by all means, lace em up and let the best kids play.
Bro,I think it should be BOTH.yeah so the kid dominates but at every level of every sport there is a player like that.
hahaha,trust me I was at the other end of the spectrum when it came to athletics.it's not the end of the world to lose a game.
when I was growing up there was always a kid that that was better than everybody else at a certain sport.you just knew it,you dealt with it,tried to find a way to win and then moved on to the next game. :)
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it comes down to this... what is the goal of little league?
To win? Or for all the kids to have fun?
Many of the little leagues, particular football and basketball, have rules where every kids plays at least 2 minutes every game. Goal is to let kids play, not win.
if the goal is to WIN, then by all means, lace em up and let the best kids play.
Yes that is the goal of little league, but once they advance to playoffs, TOC, etc, then it's not fun, it's to win. When my son first started playing travel ball, the first thing that was said to the kids is (and I was an assistant coach) "we are not here to have fun, we're here to win". If you're now familiar with travel ball or Pony, the difference is from Little league, it's major league rules all the way around. The field is bigger than Little League and play is waaaaay more intense. The kids are stronger simply because of the bigger field which mean longer throws and farther fences.
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I like the participation rules in the under-10 divisions, but once they hit 11-12, it's time to start letting the better players develop and become future stars.
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I know when I played ball when I was 12 or so there would be pitchers throwing curves and hard fastballs from the inner city. My dad took me to the batting cage and had me go to the fastest cage. Pretty soon the fastest pitchers were not so fast. I thank my dad for not being a fucking pussy and just throw in the towel like those poor excuse for parents. What's next? "Fuck school it's too hard", "Fuck a job it's too hard"? They are not doing these fag kids any favors by walking away from a challenge.
What some parents do now, is go on Job interviews with their college grad children. Companies are even scheduling days in which the parents can talk to the employer about the interview. And some Parents want to talk to the the employer about the amount of money that their child was offered!!! When I graduated college, I would never have wanted my parents to sit in on a job interview, I would feel like a pussy, like I couldn't get the job done myself. Parents believe in too much hand-holding these days.
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Spoken like an adult.
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What some parents do now, is go on Job interviews with their college grad children. Companies are even scheduling days in which the parents can talk to the employer about the interview. And some Parents want to talk to the the employer about the amount of money that their child was offered!!! When I graduated college, I would never have wanted my parents to sit in on a job interview, I would feel like a pussy, like I couldn't get the job done myself. Parents believe in too much hand-holding these days.
UN-REAL.
That's right up my ex-wife's alley.
I've raised my 6-year-old to stand on her own two feet - something she does a damned good job of - but her mother tries to hold her hand whenever I've got my back turned, so afraid of not being 'needed' for every goddamn little thing.
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They should test this kid for steroids. >:(