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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Alex23 on August 26, 2008, 03:58:01 PM
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Does it affect your moods/makes you wanna think about another career path?
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What's this got to do with the price of gas in Dubai, India? ???
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or golf for that matter
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Are you saying their "blown" delluzionization probably affects their judgment and prevent them from facing reality?
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What do you mean by decline? Overall economy downturn, resulting in less need for elective items like used posing trunks and 1-on-3 sessions? Or the whole mag sales thing?
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What do you mean by decline? Overall economy downturn, resulting in less need for elective items like used posing trunks and 1-on-3 sessions? Or the whole mag sales thing?
Has absolufuckinly nothing to do with any "downturn".
The general lack of interest, especially for the "freaky" look as people get smarter about the consequences/unmaintainability/unsustainability/drugs.
Local shows are dead amid some gay lurkers / freak crowd.
I could go on all night...
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Has absolufuckinly nothing to do with any "downturn".
The general lack of interest, especially for the "freaky" look as people get smarter about the consequences/unmaintainability/unsustainability/drugs.
Local shows are dead amid some gay lurkers / freak crowd.
I could go on all night...
Indeed. The bleak and unvarnished outlook that Alex here describes is a true and painted colorization of what the fitness "industry" has become. Anyone can shit in a box and call it art, but will people actually continue to pay to see it?
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Has absolufuckinly nothing to do with any "downturn".
The general lack of interest, especially for the "freaky" look as people get smarter about the consequences/unmaintainability/unsustainability/drugs.
Local shows are dead amid some gay lurkers / freak crowd.
I could go on all night...
Oh, I agree the extreme nature of the sport has killed it. Forums overtaking magazines mean kids at 16 know how to design steroid stacks, when 15 years ago, we'd read FLEX and believe half the guys were natural.
I think it's due to the fact that promoters let idiots come out, pull their trunks up the cracks, and bump and grind. It's not about art, muscle, power, etc, like Arnold and Franco would promote. You have kai Greene gyrating hips while making fvck faces. Imagine if Lou would have tried that against Arnold in 1975?
There will always be straight and gay fans in every sport. Letting the homosexual antics take the main stage was a huge mistake.
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Oh, I agree the extreme nature of the sport has killed it. Forums overtaking magazines mean kids at 16 know how to design steroid stacks, when 15 years ago, we'd read FLEX and believe half the guys were natural.
I think it's due to the fact that promoters let idiots come out, pull their trunks up the cracks, and bump and grind. It's not about art, muscle, power, etc, like Arnold and Franco would promote. You have kai Greene gyrating hips while making fvck faces. Imagine if Lou would have tried that against Arnold in 1975?
There will always be straight and gay fans in every sport. Letting the homosexual antics take the main stage was a huge mistake.
Spot on. You just made me proud.
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There is no decline in the FITNESS industry, just bodybuilding.
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There is no decline in the FITNESS industry, just bodybuilding.
To when the fitness male models onstage?
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Dude... You are the best HAHAHAHA ;D
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Oh, I agree the extreme nature of the sport has killed it. Forums overtaking magazines mean kids at 16 know how to design steroid stacks, when 15 years ago, we'd read FLEX and believe half the guys were natural.
I think it's due to the fact that promoters let idiots come out, pull their trunks up the cracks, and bump and grind. It's not about art, muscle, power, etc, like Arnold and Franco would promote. You have kai Greene gyrating hips while making fvck faces. Imagine if Lou would have tried that against Arnold in 1975?
There will always be straight and gay fans in every sport. Letting the homosexual antics take the main stage was a huge mistake.
dont agree that they are 'homosexual antics', they are straight guys acting tasteless, nothing new there...women pay to see straight stripers do that all the time, not sure if its a gay thing? ::)
Plus if you ask me, it was the great gay photographers of the 50's,60's, and 70's that influenced the classical Art style, and wholesome masculine cullture of bodybuilding, from the pictures, to the magazines,to the posing routines, and on out to the culture itself flexing on the beach.
Those masters include; Bruce Bellos, Mel Roberts, Pat Milo, Robert Mizer, Warner (i think) and of course Rip Colt and many more.
In the late 80s things began to stray from the classical forms (the start of homophobia and distancing themselves from gay photography), but thankfully Herb Ritts in the early 90's influenced bb magazine photography with his hyper masculine dirty gritty black and white style, that was great but unfortunately short lived.
I would say todays style is left over garrish late 80s style combined with extreme vulgar culture of todays fake world, but in any case the show productions, lighting, posing style and overall look of bodybuilding is horribly straight, its as tasteless as hell I dont think any gay guys are involved in creating that shit. sorry
:D But hope is on its way and its in the photographer Bill Comstock, who is straight I believe. He is the best raw talent out there, he has the best eye out there for the male form, getting the masculinity not just the anatomy and catches the athletes spirit and strenght in each shot.....but I think he holds back,,,prob afraid of being seen gay...to bad....He is the One to bring ART back to the sport of BB.
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There is no decline in the FITNESS industry, just bodybuilding.
Very true. Bodybuilding is gonna stick around for a while but it's not going to be any less on the fringes than it ever as been. Fitness and health ARE the industry.
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Oh, I agree the extreme nature of the sport has killed it. Forums overtaking magazines mean kids at 16 know how to design steroid stacks, when 15 years ago, we'd read FLEX and believe half the guys were natural.
I think it's due to the fact that promoters let idiots come out, pull their trunks up the cracks, and bump and grind. It's not about art, muscle, power, etc, like Arnold and Franco would promote. You have kai Greene gyrating hips while making fvck faces. Imagine if Lou would have tried that against Arnold in 1975?
There will always be straight and gay fans in every sport. Letting the homosexual antics take the main stage was a huge mistake.
have to say again Kai is not gay nor many of the competitors that are doing it so how is it gay again? And I can tell you all for my people that
the men in the audience are there to see straight hyper-masculine men, I will bet my life that there is not one gay man at a show that would enjoy watching any straigth guy acting foolish, googly, dancy, artsy or wiggly...its not a turn on....trust me.
Lastly about the Lurkers themselves:
'Arnold Schwarzenegger, is reported to have accepted quite openly that the developed male body may be attractive to
homosexuals, and to think this perfectly reasonable.
"When a homosexual looks at a bodybuilder, I dont have anything against that, I would
probably stare the same way if Rachel Welch or Brigitte Bardot walked by...The same is true with the homosexual - he's looking at the bodybuilder and picturing what he would do with him" --Arnold
-- Pumping Iron The Art and Sport of Bodybuilding.'
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have to say again Kai is not gay nor many of the competitors that are doing it so how is it gay again?
ok, it's not gay. it's just effeminate. which is a turn-off to many gays.
note to Kai: fur is probably not the right outfit when gogo dancing at a leather bar
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Oh, I agree the extreme nature of the sport has killed it. Forums overtaking magazines mean kids at 16 know how to design steroid stacks, when 15 years ago, we'd read FLEX and believe half the guys were natural.
I think it's due to the fact that promoters let idiots come out, pull their trunks up the cracks, and bump and grind. It's not about art, muscle, power, etc, like Arnold and Franco would promote. You have kai Greene gyrating hips while making fvck faces. Imagine if Lou would have tried that against Arnold in 1975?
There will always be straight and gay fans in every sport. Letting the homosexual antics take the main stage was a huge mistake.
Great post.
Like I said before, at one point comp. bbing may have been an art form. Guys like Arnold and Ed Corney were gracious posers. Their physiques were something to aspire to. These guys today are a fucking joke.....Kai Greene humping the fucking floor is not cool. Anybody trying to claim comp. bbing is a "sport" is hurt by that shit. Then you have the huge ugly guts, the fucking synthol and just horrendous physiques, no personality or intelligence....then of course, the shadiness of it all (Felons, drug dealers, g4p, etc.).
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Kai is an embarassment to this industry. His routines are revolting, he wears his trunks so far up his ass crack he might as well just buy a proper thong. Someone in a position of power needs to make some regulations and rules that the bb'ers need to start following. Pretty much whatever Kai does, make it a rule that they can't do it.
Bb'ing needs more guys like Dennis Wolf. Classic looking physique (still huge but hes got a tiny waist and just had a good look to him). He's one of the best posers out there. He hits poses properly and his routines are artistic. I'd be happy to show someone a Dennis Wolf posing routine. I would be far too embarassed to show anyone a Kai Greene posing routine...
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HAHAHA! The "Cocksmith".
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dont agree that they are 'homosexual antics', they are straight guys acting tasteless, nothing new there...women pay to see straight stripers do that all the time, not sure if its a gay thing? ::)
Plus if you ask me, it was the great gay photographers of the 50's,60's, and 70's that influenced the classical Art style, and wholesome masculine cullture of bodybuilding, from the pictures, to the magazines,to the posing routines, and on out to the culture itself flexing on the beach.
Those masters include; Bruce Bellos, Mel Roberts, Pat Milo, Robert Mizer, Warner (i think) and of course Rip Colt and many more.
In the late 80s things began to stray from the classical forms (the start of homophobia and distancing themselves from gay photography), but thankfully Herb Ritts in the early 90's influenced bb magazine photography with his hyper masculine dirty gritty black and white style, that was great but unfortunately short lived.
I would say todays style is left over garrish late 80s style combined with extreme vulgar culture of todays fake world, but in any case the show productions, lighting, posing style and overall look of bodybuilding is horribly straight, its as tasteless as hell I dont think any gay guys are involved in creating that shit. sorry
:D But hope is on its way and its in the photographer Bill Comstock, who is straight I believe. He is the best raw talent out there, he has the best eye out there for the male form, getting the masculinity not just the anatomy and catches the athletes spirit and strenght in each shot.....but I think he holds back,,,prob afraid of being seen gay...to bad....He is the One to bring ART back to the sport of BB.
Let's not place blame, lets not point fingers. Let's create a clause in the IFBB contract:
If a guy has sex with fruit, bumps and grinds onstage, or does a jackoff video, or any other activity deemed sexually inappropriate for a professional sporting organization, he should be banned from bodybuilding competition for 2 years.
It'll dry up very quickly.
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jay cutler will win again
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"affect you"
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Let's not place blame, lets not point fingers. Let's create a clause in the IFBB contract:
If a guy has sex with fruit, bumps and grinds onstage, or does a jackoff video, or any other activity deemed sexually inappropriate for a professional sporting organization, he should be banned from bodybuilding competition for 2 years.
let's make it gender neutral. Female athletes doing porn is just as damaging to the image of the sport.
but there should also be a 2 year ban (after time served) for anyone convicted of a felony. anyone under indictment should probably be suspended.
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let's make it gender neutral. Female athletes doing porn is just as damaging to the image of the sport.
but there should also be a 2 year ban (after time served) for anyone convicted of a felony. anyone under indictment should probably be suspended.
Both awesome ideas. If you do porn, you don't step onstage for two years, period. Either gender.
You get arrested, you don't compete until it's resolved.
If you plead or are found guiilty, 2-4 years based upon charges.
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ok, it's not gay. it's just effeminate. which is a turn-off to many gays.
note to Kai: fur is probably not the right outfit when gogo dancing at a leather bar
agree it is effeminate, so makes no sense why they do it, its not for the gays....
the only reason I can think they do it is because straight men see art, dance, performance as feminine, sensitive, open minded, so they are just showing their feminine side trying to prove to the women in the audience that they are the modern sensitive male with muscles.
THey are not doing it for the gays.
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Let the "sport" die, no more BB shows.
Seeing a fat man "win" at the Olympia :-\
is not even funny.
Only the g4p industry will stay alive on the
gay section in porn shops.
I stopped going to BB shows, buying any BB endorsed product,
Stopped buying BB mags since a few years back.
BB is sick and dying, Derek and Sammi is helping
to transform BB into something else.
Maybe the "sport" will be reborn in some other form
in the future.
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Has absolufuckinly nothing to do with any "downturn".
The general lack of interest, especially for the "freaky" look as people get smarter about the consequences/unmaintainability/unsustainability/drugs.
Local shows are dead amid some gay lurkers / freak crowd.
I could go on all night...
Your right about your assessment regarding your comments about drugs. People in general are not impressed by steroid bodybuilders. They in fact laugh at them. Steroids is the first thing they say when they see a bodybuilder. They realize the physique only lasts as long as the drug cycle. Four months off the juice the drug physique goes quickly.
Sadly, bodybuilding is in a serious decline. Subscriptions to the magazines are down and the once common local shows are almost non existent. It seems the insecure teenagers and young men once drawn to bodybuilding are now being drawn to MMA training. These new wave dojos are everywhere now. I remember when there were three in the nation. One in NJ, NYC and California. Now every strip mall has one. Look at the magazine racks and you will find 6 magazines devoted to MMA. I really find that devotion to the fighting sports are growing at an incredible rate.
Bodybuilding is dying but fitness is stronger that it ever was. One gym by me use to be a World gym. It turned into a Oxygen gym and it is packed. Half of the clients are female. I was doing squats in a power rack and this beyond hot girl was doing squats in the power rack next to me. I would have never seen that 20 years ago.
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Does it affect your moods/makes you wanna think about another career path?
What does one of your gimmicks, SWEETMUSCLES, think about this? ???
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agree it is effeminate, so makes no sense why they do it, its not for the gays....
the only reason I can think they do it is because straight men see art, dance, performance as feminine, sensitive, open minded, so they are just showing their feminine side trying to prove to the women in the audience that they are the modern sensitive male with muscles.THey are not doing it for the gays.
Huh??
They are not doing it for the women either, they do it for themselves. This is the way BB competitions are run and that is the format. Does it need to be or could it be different maybe? Its to see who has done the best job in the gym, at the table, in the womb and yes maybe in some cases at the pharmacy.
Since it is judging the body it cant be done in a football uniform. Do some of the dudes make me look away with their goofy routines? Yes! it can be quite odd and creepy.
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Both awesome ideas. If you do porn, you don't step on stage for two years, period. Either gender.
You get arrested, you don't compete until it's resolved.
If you plead or are found guiilty, 2-4 years based upon charges.
THE STAGES WOULD BE EMPTY.
WHY NOT FORCE SUPPS, WEIDERS & CO TO LET THE MONEY FLOW TO WHO REALLY DESERVES IT, AKA THE ATHLETES?
NO FINANCIAL HARDSHIP, NO NEED TO G4P YOURSELF OR SUPPORT YOUR "HABITS" SELLING.
END OF THE STORY.