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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Moosejay on August 26, 2008, 04:55:17 PM
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The Korean players are pissed. They think they are being targeted.
The sponsors, who mean everything, state it is an American tour, and there are so many Korean players, most of whom do not speak English.
They want to communicate with the Koreans. they can't without English.
I think this is a good ruling.
What say you?
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The Korean players are pissed. They think they are being targeted.
The sponsors, who mean everything, state it is an American tour, and there are so many Korean players, most of whom do not speak English.
They want to communicate with the Koreans. they can't without English.
I think this is a good ruling.
What say you?
The problem is not that there are one or two Korean players who take part, but that there are so many of them. If there is exceptional talent, no matter from which corner of the world, the viewers will want to see it.
I would therefore find it better if they introduced quotas for international players. (Just to be clear, this quota would not apply to the country that hosts the event, e.g. if Italy was to organise an Italian tour, they could have as many Italian players as they wanted etc.)
Ballesteros didn't speak English and letting him play did not do the game of golf any harm...
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The problem is not that there are one or two Korean players who take part, but that there are so many of them. If there is exceptional talent, no matter from which corner of the world, the viewers will want to see it.
I would therefore find it better if they introduced quotas for international players. (Just to be clear, this quota would not apply to the country that hosts the event, e.g. if Italy was to organise an Italian tour, they could have as many Italian players as they wanted etc.)
Ballesteros didn't speak English and letting him play did not do the game of golf any harm...
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The problem is not that there are one or two Korean players who take part, but that there are so many of them. If there is exceptional talent, no matter from which corner of the world, the viewers will want to see it.
I would therefore find it better if they introduced quotas for international players. (Just to be clear, this quota would not apply to the country that hosts the event, e.g. if Italy was to organise an Italian tour, they could have as many Italian players as they wanted etc.)
Ballesteros didn't speak English and letting him play did not do the game of golf any harm...
Yes...but there are not a zillion Seve Ballesteros' playing.
Check an LPGA box score in the paper...like, 1/3 or more of the players are Korean...like an infestation
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Bahaha....classic!
yes.
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Still the sad racist I see ::)
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The Korean players are pissed. They think they are being targeted.
The sponsors, who mean everything, state it is an American tour, and there are so many Korean players, most of whom do not speak English.
They want to communicate with the Koreans. they can't without English.
I think this is a good ruling.
What say you?
Too cheap to get translators?
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The Korean players are pissed. They think they are being targeted.
The sponsors, who mean everything, state it is an American tour, and there are so many Korean players, most of whom do not speak English.
They want to communicate with the Koreans. they can't without English.
I think this is a good ruling.
What say you?
these mutherfcuking Asians could never speak English right, even if they've been to the USA for years. that shit still remains a fucking Mystery to me
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The Korean players are pissed. They think they are being targeted.
The sponsors, who mean everything, state it is an American tour, and there are so many Korean players, most of whom do not speak English.
They want to communicate with the Koreans. they can't without English.
I think this is a good ruling.
What say you?
I got emailed this yesterday and I was going to post it but I get flammed enough on here for my golf posts. I still don't know what to think of it, part of me thinks it's wrong, but if you even watch the LPGA events like I do, you'll see that half the field is Korean and the majority are in the top 20 on the leader boards and it is a US Tour. The girl who won the Womens US Open last month was 19 and could hardly speak english without an interpreter.
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Still the sad racist I see ::)
Your political correctness holds you back, friend.
I get things DONE because I see and speak the TRUTH.
Get some,
Peace
MJ
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it's not about "being able to communicate with sponsors", even if that is a nice way to be PC and not get sued.
It's because American viewers - and yes, the LPGA is an American sports body - stop watching when it's 5 s. koreans battling it out for 1st place. American viewers want American heroes. They want to watch athletes who are like them. Sad but true. Money talks, and ratings will always be higher for an all-American final 2 duking it out, than for an all-Korean final 2.
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I got emailed this yesterday and I was going to post it but I get flammed enough on here for my golf posts. I still don't know what to think of it, part of me thinks it's wrong, but if you even watch the LPGA events like I do, you'll see that half the field is Korean and the majority are in the top 20 on the leader boards and it is a US Tour. The girl who won the Womens US Open last month was 19 and could hardly speak english without an interpreter.
Racism, blah blah or whatever
The cold truth is,
The sponsors, who grease the wheels of the athletic machine with the almighty dollar, don't want them winning unless they can assimilate.
Anyone who calls racism or whatever either lacks introspection
or
is a jackass
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it's not about "being able to communicate with sponsors", even if that is a nice way to be PC and not get sued.
It's because American viewers - and yes, the LPGA is an American sports body - stop watching when it's 5 s. koreans battling it out for 1st place. American viewers want American heroes. They want to watch athletes who are like them. Sad but true. Money talks, and ratings will always be higher for an all-American final 2 duking it out, than for an all-Korean final 2.
That is truth, coach.
It's called 'entertainment ideation', and it means that when a person wants to escpae thru entertainment, they SEE themselves as Tom Cruise while watching the movie
They SEE themselves as Tiger Woods...and yes, he is Black, and that does not matter....even though they can't golf
They want to imagine themselves as heroes who look like them, speak like them.;
Huge, powerful, rich Madison Avenue PR firms have figured this out.
Most on this board have not.
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it's not about "being able to communicate with sponsors", even if that is a nice way to be PC and not get sued.
It's because American viewers - and yes, the LPGA is an American sports body - stop watching when it's 5 s. koreans battling it out for 1st place. American viewers want American heroes. They want to watch athletes who are like them. Sad but true. Money talks, and ratings will always be higher for an all-American final 2 duking it out, than for an all-Korean final 2.
Oh thats horseshit Rob. I enjoy watching because these ladies have some serious skills. I personally like Lorena Ochoa (a Mexican) because of her amazing skills like being all of 120lbs and driving the ball 320 yards. Doesn't make any difference if they're american or not.
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Oh thats horseshit Rob. I enjoy watching because these ladies have some serious skills. I personally like Lorena Ochoa (a Mexican) because of her amazing skills like being all of 120lbs and driving the ball 320 yards. Doesn't make any difference if they're american or not.
Coach, and respect to you, you are very knowledgeable, but I'd have to agree with Rob here.
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Oh thats horseshit Rob. I enjoy watching because these ladies have some serious skills. I personally like Lorena Ochoa (a Mexican) because of her amazing skills like being all of 120lbs and driving the ball 320 yards. Doesn't make any difference if they're american or not.
You're a knowledgeable golf purist. Do most fans watch because they love good mechanics?
Better yet, would you be more, less, or equally likely to watch if the top 50 golfers in the LPGA were from S. Korea?
After you answer for YOU, answer for most other casual viewers. Would they rather watch 50 girls from Korea, or 50 girls from USA?
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Complete joke i would be surprised if it actually stood up to a court room challenge. Just more American racism funny really considering most of America can't even speak English properly. color? what the fu*k is that? haha stupid yanks.
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You're a knowledgeable golf purist. Do most fans watch because they love good mechanics? Better yet, would you be more, less, or equally likely to watch if the top 50 golfers in the LPGA were from S. Korea?
After you answer for YOU, answer for most other casual viewers. Would they rather watch 50 girls from Korea, or 50 girls from USA?
For the serious golfer, I'd have to say yes. When I watch a PGA or even LPGA event I like to see what I'm doing differently from them, I like to analyze the different swing mechanics, the women especially. I like to why a 120-130lbs women who is all of 5'3 can make it to the green in 2 shots on 590 yard par 5 when I have trouble getting there in 3 or 4 shots. Again, doesn't matter who is.
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You're a knowledgeable golf purist. Do most fans watch because they love good mechanics?
Better yet, would you be more, less, or equally likely to watch if the top 50 golfers in the LPGA were from S. Korea?
After you answer for YOU, answer for most other casual viewers. Would they rather watch 50 girls from Korea, or 50 girls from USA?
They are just killing their own product with racism. Stupid business move. That would be akin to the NFL bringing in a minimum IQ for it's players so they can sound educated when speaking to sponsors/TV stations etc. Fact is in professional sports it's about the BEST product on the field. It hasn't hurt the NBA that a whole lot of foreign players have come in and many speak broken English. Nothing but white golf purists trying to keep golf that way.
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Complete joke i would be surprised if it actually stood up to a court room challenge. Just more American racism funny really considering most of America can't even speak English properly. color? what the fu*k is that? haha stupid yanks.
I agree, and if it goes any further I'm sure it will.
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For the serious golfer, I'd have to say yes. When I watch a PGA or even LPGA event I like to see what I'm doing differently from them, I like to analyze the different swing mechanics, the women especially. I like to why a 120-130lbs women who is all of 5'3 can make it to the green in 2 shots on 590 yard par 5 when I have trouble getting there in 3 or 4 shots. Again, doesn't matter who is.
here's where it gets interesting.
Let's pretend that 50% of viewers are serious golfers, and 50% are casual golfers or fans.
The 50% who are watching for mechanics and to learn - you're going to watch no matter what, right? You're not exactly going to move to S. Korea to watch the game. You'll watch the best players available on your TV. They don't lose you as a viewer by kicking out the wave of foreigners.
The 50% who just watch to identify with sports heroes, learn a bit, waste a little time, follow the standings - they'll actually GROW in numbers/viwer retention when they see pretty smiling americans on the screen, as opposed to unfamiliar foreigners.
it's all marketing decision based on viewer retention. The serious 50% aren't going anywhere. But the casual 50% might just get bored when they can't tell the golfer apart by name or face.
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You're a knowledgeable golf purist. Do most fans watch because they love good mechanics?
Better yet, would you be more, less, or equally likely to watch if the top 50 golfers in the LPGA were from S. Korea?
After you answer for YOU, answer for most other casual viewers. Would they rather watch 50 girls from Korea, or 50 girls from USA?
Doesn't matter, people who know golf like to watch GOOD competitve golf.
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I agree, and if it goes any further I'm sure it will.
Exactly and you know the first thing that's going to come up? Why English? America doesn't even have an 'official' language so what exactly is their basis for choosing it? Majority of speakers? If that's the case in 15 years Spanish will be the language they will all have to speak right?
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They are just killing their own product with racism. Stupid business move. That would be akin to the NFL bringing in a minimum IQ for it's players so they can sound educated when speaking to sponsors/TV stations etc. Fact is in professional sports it's about the BEST product on the field. It hasn't hurt the NBA that a whole lot of foreign players have come in and many speak broken English. Nothing but white golf purists trying to keep golf that way.
NBA and NFL are working like crazy to become international games.
From what I can see, and what the analysts are saying on ESPN, the LPGA is trying to stay in USA, and NOT expand.
And is it *really* the best product on the field? They kick out talented players with behaviour problems all the time. This means it's more about best *image* on the field.
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Doesn't matter, people who know golf like to watch GOOD competitve golf.
Are the koreans that much better than their american counterparts? (i don't watch)
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here's where it gets interesting.
Let's pretend that 50% of viewers are serious golfers, and 50% are casual golfers or fans.
The 50% who are watching for mechanics and to learn - you're going to watch no matter what, right? You're not exactly going to move to S. Korea to watch the game. You'll watch the best players available on your TV. They don't lose you as a viewer by kicking out the wave of foreigners.
The 50% who just watch to identify with sports heroes, learn a bit, waste a little time, follow the standings - they'll actually GROW in numbers/viwer retention when they see pretty smiling americans on the screen, as opposed to unfamiliar foreigners.
it's all marketing decision based on viewer retention. The serious 50% aren't going anywhere. But the casual 50% might just get bored when they can't tell the golfer apart by name or face.
And those would be the people who could care less if they are Korean or not.
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NBA and NFL are working like crazy to become international games.
From what I can see, and what the analysts are saying on ESPN, the LPGA is trying to stay in USA, and NOT expand.
And is it *really* the best product on the field? They kick out talented players with behaviour problems all the time. This means it's more about best *image* on the field.
come on man they kick out players whom aren't stars for the leagues public image.
Look at steve smith's fight at training camp for example. if that was a punk second teamer you can bet for damn sure he wouldn't be in the league anymore.
NBA example - ron artest this is a guy who got in a fight with fans. they people watching and paying for the product. yet the guy can ball so he gets second, third, forth etc chances.
In pro sports the only people who get punished are those who aren't good enough to be missed.
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I'm not saying it's right. It's some serious prejudice.
I'm saying that the sponsors and event organizers and TV people decided they'll make MORE MONEY with MORE AMERICANS in the top 10. It's that simple.
If they wouldn't, they certainly wouldn't be doing this. They probably fear that in 5 years, 95% of the top golfers in this American sport, on American TV, won't be American. Hard to sell that to sponsors.
Whatever the reason, they did their reseach, and believe it'll be more profitable without the S. Koreans.
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I'm not saying it's right. It's some serious prejudice.
I'm saying that the sponsors and event organizers and TV people decided they'll make MORE MONEY with MORE AMERICANS in the top 10. It's that simple.
If they wouldn't, they certainly wouldn't be doing this. They probably fear that in 5 years, 95% of the top golfers in this American sport, on American TV, won't be American. Hard to sell that to sponsors.
Whatever the reason, they did their reseach, and believe it'll be more profitable without the S. Koreans.
and i'm saying it's not going to happen because it's illegal like i said before America doesn't have an official language so how can you choose English? because it is the majority right now? and if that's the case how about when spanish becomes the majority language does every player then need to speak spanish?
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Exactly and you know the first thing that's going to come up? Why English? America doesn't even have an 'official' language so what exactly is their basis for choosing it? Majority of speakers? If that's the case in 15 years Spanish will be the language they will all have to speak right?
BC it is taught as a second language in almost every country in the world
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and i'm saying it's not going to happen because it's illegal like i said before America doesn't have an official language so how can you choose English? because it is the majority right now? and if that's the case how about when spanish becomes the majority language does every player then need to speak spanish?
I can't get a job in the USA as a teacher, cop, or doctor without knowing English. I can't get hired at Mcdonalds without the ability to take orders in English.
Those governing bodies determine who works for them, and who does not. The ability to speak english is a skill that is required.
Already- the LPGA contract stipulates all sorts of things, right? What you can/cannot wear, what you must do at events, etc. Can they add that in addition to these things, you must speak English? I think it's well within their right as a professional organization.
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I'm not saying it's right. It's some serious prejudice.
I'm saying that the sponsors and event organizers and TV people decided they'll make MORE MONEY with MORE AMERICANS in the top 10. It's that simple.
If they wouldn't, they certainly wouldn't be doing this. They probably fear that in 5 years, 95% of the top golfers in this American sport, on American TV, won't be American. Hard to sell that to sponsors.
Whatever the reason, they did their reseach, and believe it'll be more profitable without the S. Koreans.
Simply and unfortunately correct
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Are the koreans that much better than their american counterparts? (i don't watch)
Exept for a few Americans and Lorena Ochoa, I would have to say yes. Here's an example. We have a PGA instructor at my golf course who was Tigers instructor from the time he was a kid until he went to Stanford, his name is John Anselmo, he's 84 now. Right now, he has a 14 year old korean kid from around Albany, NY whos father flys his son from NY to Huntington Beach almost every weekend for the whole weekend just to get instruction from John, this kid at 9 years old was already driving the 230 years and broke par on our course at the age of 11. My point is Korean take golf very seriously and generally start younger than we start our kids, my kid started at 5 and is no where near the skill of this kid and my kid shoots mid 80's to low 90's. Both me and son just watch this kid and shake our heads.....it's rediculous.
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BC it is taught as a second language in almost every country in the world
bullsh*t Mandarin, Hindi and Spanish are ALL spoken in more native countries than english so the 'second language' BS doesn't cut it.
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I can't get a job in the USA as a teacher, cop, or doctor without knowing English. I can't get hired at Mcdonalds without the ability to take orders in English.
Those governing bodies determine who works for them, and who does not. The ability to speak english is a skill that is required.
Already- the LPGA contract stipulates all sorts of things, right? What you can/cannot wear, what you must do at events, etc. Can they add that in addition to these things, you must speak English? I think it's well within their right as a professional organization.
I don't think so otherwise they wouldn't be playing. If you ever watch an event, you cannot break even ONE rule.
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there is no way they would have signed something clearly stating 'you must speak fluent english when we decide you've won too often'
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I don't think so otherwise they wouldn't be playing. If you ever watch an event, you cannot break even ONE rule.
So the players agree to a shitload of rules.
The LPGA has a right to create these rules.
Many companies in the USA require english skills to work there. Joe, when you hire a PT to work under you, you wouldn't hire someone who spoke no english, would you?
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So the players agree to a shitload of rules.
The LPGA has a right to create these rules.
Many companies in the USA require english skills to work there. Joe, when you hire a PT to work under you, you wouldn't hire someone who spoke no english, would you?
I have a few Russian patients who speak Russian in front of me to each other at length.
My office policy now is to keep them separated.
They seem to me very shifted and not forthright.
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So the players agree to a shitload of rules.
The LPGA has a right to create these rules.
Many companies in the USA require english skills to work there. Joe, when you hire a PT to work under you, you wouldn't hire someone who spoke no english, would you?
If English was such a required skill why do some many illegals work at mcd's, walmart etc? fact is they don't 'speak' english they say things like 'big mac' fries super size etc but they don't speak english don' kid yourself here. it's a BS racist rule they won't hold up to a legal challenge.
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I have a few Russian patients who speak Russian in front of me to each other at length.
My office policy now is to keep them separated.
They seem to me very shifted and not forthright.
and THAT is why you are seen as a xenophobic racist. I guess the only thing worse is if they are black russians right?
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So the players agree to a shitload of rules. The LPGA has a right to create these rules.
Many companies in the USA require english skills to work there. Joe, when you hire a PT to work under you, you wouldn't hire someone who spoke no english, would you?
If you look at the USGA rule book, all of the rules of tournament play are strict unless there is an on course ruling by an official and even they don't let anything "slide" unless the it's in the rule book. I have only played in two tournaments but have studied the rule book pretty extensively. Take a look. I carry this rule book in my bag.
http://www.usga.org/playing/rules/books/rules.html
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Guy's wanna see Natalie Gulbis and other cute chicks in short skirts.if they look hot who cares what language they speak!
...hope this helps.
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and THAT is why you are seen as a xenophobic racist. I guess the only thing worse is if they are black russians right?
No.
I am protecting my rights.
Something you likely do not have in your backwards country.
Whomever I am "Seen " by, well, they are not likely worth my salt.
MJ Approved
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No.
I am protecting my rights.
Something you likely do not have in your backwards country.
Whomever I am "Seen " by, well, they are not likely worth my salt.
MJ Approved
Your rights of what? Haha backwards country coming from an american is hilarious!
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Would the KOREANS EVER do "anything" good for americans? FUCK NO
Why does AMERICA always have to be the one to "be good". Fuck them
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Guy's wanna see Natalie Gulbis and other cute chicks in short skirts.if they look hot who cares what language they speak!
...hope this helps.
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:D
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Your rights of what? Haha backwards country coming from an american is hilarious!
apparently you have never been here. ::)
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:D
Sometimes ya gotta call a spade a spade ;) :D
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apparently you have never been here. ::)
oh many times 'boonstack' and i hate to burst your bubble but it's not the greatest country in the world. It's far from it.
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English is now widely excepted world wide as the lanuage of business. If the players were expected to know English for business purposes then the idea has some merit. Could you ever imagine any Americian court upholding this ruling though?
Moose if you feel uncormfortable have two people converse in their native tongue in front of you then you must be very insecure, seeing as they have choosen you to be their chiro.
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When I was in Dubai, almost everyone I met spoke English...more fluently than the average American.
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English is now widely excepted world wide as the lanuage of business. If the players were expected to know English for business purposes then the idea has some merit. Could you ever imagine any Americian court upholding this ruling though?
Moose if you feel uncormfortable have two people converse in their native tongue in front of you then you must be very insecure, seeing as they have choosen you to be their chiro.
They were injury cases, and I did not feel there 'injuries' merited treatment. I feel they were being subversive to my clinical efforts to help them in order to steal from the insurance comapny.
I am never a party to fraud.
Russian, bangladesh, craot, calcuttan
I don't give a hoo
I run the show in my office.
English only, now you see why.
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bullsh*t Mandarin, Hindi and Spanish are ALL spoken in more native countries than english so the 'second language' BS doesn't cut it.
Go to the back of the line.
Wrong.
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Your rights of what? Haha backwards country coming from an american is hilarious!
Please.
You are lint.
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They were injury cases, and I did not feel there 'injuries' merited treatment. I feel they were being subversive to my clinical efforts to help them in order to steal from the insurance comapny.
I am never a party to fraud.
Russian, bangladesh, craot, calcuttan
I don't give a hoo
I run the show in my office.
English only, now you see why.
When it comes to professional treatment I agree that you should dictate the lanuage being used, as to stop any confussion or fraud as you stated.
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Go to the back of the line.
Wrong.
Yep I agree with Moose here. English is most peoples second lanuage and is taught as the most common second lanuage world wide.
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English is most peoples huh? It's obvious you can't even write it properly so please quit now while you're behind.
Oh and moose there is a place, their is belonging. Your welcome.
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English is most peoples huh? It's obvious you can't even write it properly so please quit now while you're behind.
Oh and moose there is a place, their is belonging. Your welcome.
Whats your problem? Please point out the error oh wise idiot, and then list all these countries that teach Hindi, Manderin etc as a second lanuage. You don't have a clue what you are talking about. English is the most widely taught second lanuage throughout the world.
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When it comes to professional treatment I agree that you should dictate the lanuage being used, as to stop any confussion or fraud as you stated.
Correct.
I am glad we are at least in agreement here.
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English is most peoples huh? It's obvious you can't even write it properly so please quit now while you're behind.
Oh and moose there is a place, their is belonging. Your welcome.
Thank you.