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Title: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Neurotoxin on August 30, 2008, 10:29:28 AM
this must be a joke. 
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 30, 2008, 10:36:09 AM
As ready as Obama.  She at least spent some time in charge of a state national guard. 

Has Obama even served in the Boy Scouts?   ::)
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: CQ on August 30, 2008, 10:48:45 AM
It's even laughable for anyone who says Obama is not ready to lead to suggest Palin should be near the VP spot.

Discount the Mayor of a 8,000 town where she appeared at ceremonies and went to meetings a few times [per their website said that was the duties] she has 18 months of being Governor of a small state. Obama has years in both senates.

She has one degree from some regualar Idaho college, he has 2 from the Ivy leagues.

Her prior work history was as a local sports news reader and fisherwoman - his was as a lawyer, college professor, author and organiser.

It's one or the other - they are both fit, or neither is. To say she is, while he is not is so erratic it doesn't bear discussion really.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: w8tlftr on August 30, 2008, 10:54:18 AM
Is Obama?  ???
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: calmus on August 30, 2008, 11:20:19 AM


It's one or the other - they are both fit, or neither is.

Huh? I wouldn't trust her to pick up my dry-cleaning.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 30, 2008, 11:34:45 AM
she has a bachelors in journalism from a small school..


He has what, a Harvard law degree?
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: 2ND COMING on August 30, 2008, 11:36:36 AM
she has a bachelors in journalism from a small school..


He has what, a Harvard law degree?

end of thread.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Straw Man on August 30, 2008, 11:37:32 AM
No way is she ready

Being de facto "commander in chief" of the Alaska National guard doesn't mean shit and I can't believe any republican would even bother mentioning something so laughable but I guess that's all they've got to work with so they try to convince themselves that it's meaningful.  
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 30, 2008, 11:39:42 AM
She has 6 years of part-time mayor of a town of a town of 9000, and 18 months as the governor of the smallest population state in the USA.

Obama spent seven years in the Illinois senate, two years a U.S. senator, authoring 900 bills and co-authoring 1000.  He's also served on the senate foreign relations committee.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: a_joker10 on August 30, 2008, 12:07:06 PM
He did not write 900 bills in the senate nor did cowrite another 1000.
He only voted 340 times in the US senate and did not vote 240 times.
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490
Obama has no experience except running for president.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 30, 2008, 12:44:47 PM
Is Obama?  ???

No.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 30, 2008, 12:50:43 PM
He did not write 900 bills in the senate nor did cowrite another 1000.
He only voted 340 times in the US senate and did not vote 240 times.
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490
Obama has no experience except running for president.


So you disagree with 240?

Quote

Obama spent seven years in the Illinois senate, two years a U.S. senator,

authoring 900 bills and co-authoring 1000.
  He's also served on the senate

foreign relations committee.


Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: MCWAY on August 30, 2008, 12:53:18 PM
But, Bill Clinton claimed that experience didn't matter, as those same charges of lack of experience were lobbed at him back in 1992. Obama echoed those same sentiments.

Now, they have the gall to talk about how much experience is important to being president.

The funniest part of it all is that the more experienced of the two senators is at the BOTTOM of the Democratic tickets. And, the best OVERALL experienced senator isn't on the ticket at all.

If the Dems want to go there, the GOP will carve them up at their convention.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 30, 2008, 12:53:45 PM
He did not write 900 bills in the senate nor did cowrite another 1000.
He only voted 340 times in the US senate and did not vote 240 times.
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490
Obama has no experience except running for president.


I celled Wiki to inform them of their mistake:

ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama


THESE ARE BARACK'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN THE U.S. SENATE TO DATE:


Barack has Written a total of 890 Bills and Co-sponsored Another 1096 since he started serving in the U.S. Senate.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: MCWAY on August 30, 2008, 12:56:42 PM
I celled Wiki to inform them of their mistake:

ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama


THESE ARE BARACK'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN THE U.S. SENATE TO DATE:


Barack has Written a total of 890 Bills and Co-sponsored Another 1096 since he started serving in the U.S. Senate.


And......

He has NOT run a government; Palin has. And need I remind you that the last two presidents (Bush and Clinton) were both governors.

Biden has WAY more experience than Obama does; so does Clinton (both by a country mile). So why is their LEAST EXPERIENCE GUY at the top of the Democratic ticket?
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 30, 2008, 01:00:53 PM
And......

He has NOT run a government; Palin has. And need I remind you that the last two presidents (Bush and Clinton) were both governors.

Biden has WAY more experience than Obama does; so does Clinton (both by a country mile). So why is their LEAST EXPERIENCE GUY at the top of the Democratic ticket?

She ran the smallest population state's govt for a year and a half.

She had time to fire a brother-in-law for pissing off her sister, and have a baby, in the last year.  She faces impeachment later this year possibly for the firing thing.

She's not qualified enough.  She's just not.  There are dozens of republicans who are more qualified.  She was selected by Mccian for her looks and gender, to woo hilary voters. 



I don't think ANY repub will look you in the eye and tell you she was the most qualified of the bunch.  People on far-right radio... Ingraham, beck,. limbaugh, and hannity (i'm addicted to FOX radio lately) are calling in... many of them are just baffled by the choice.  She's not as qualified as many of the folks in the running for it.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 30, 2008, 01:03:12 PM

She had time to fire a brother-in-law for pissing off her sister, and have a baby, in the last year.  She faces impeachment later this year possibly for the firing thing.

More embellishment.  Stating this as fact.   ::)
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: MCWAY on August 30, 2008, 01:08:53 PM
She ran the smallest population state's govt for a year and a half.

That means she's run one more government than either Obama or Biden.


She had time to fire a brother-in-law for pissing off her sister, and have a baby, in the last year.  She faces impeachment later this year possibly for the firing thing.

No, the charge is that she had someone else fired, because that guy didn't fire her ex-brother-in-law (her sister's ex-husband). Thus far, Palin is in the clear.


She's not qualified enough.  She's just not.  There are dozens of republicans who are more qualified.  She was selected by Mccian for her looks and gender, to woo hilary voters. 

This is a problem because.......especially considering that Hilary is more qualified than EITHER Obama or Biden; yet, she ain't on the ticket AT ALL.

McCain went with the sexy pick.....LITERALLY and FIGURATIVELY!!! And, it basically lowered the boom on the Democrats, virtually taking away the spotlight from Obama's magnificent speech at the DNC. That should be the political headliner this weekend.....BUT IT AIN'T!!!


I don't think ANY repub will look you in the eye and tell you she was the most qualified of the bunch.  People on far-right radio... Ingraham, beck,. limbaugh, and hannity (i'm addicted to FOX radio lately) are calling in... many of them are just baffled by the choice.  She's not as qualified as many of the folks in the running for it.

Two words: WHERE'S HILARY??

Baffled? Perhaps a better term (for many) would be "pleasantly SHOCKED"
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: OzmO on August 30, 2008, 02:15:37 PM
(http://usemycomputer.com/indeximages/2008/August/SarahPalin-Carl.jpg)

Who wouldn't take orders from her?
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: a_joker10 on August 30, 2008, 02:41:41 PM
I celled Wiki to inform them of their mistake:

ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama


THESE ARE BARACK'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN THE U.S. SENATE TO DATE:


Barack has Written a total of 890 Bills and Co-sponsored Another 1096 since he started serving in the U.S. Senate.


I quote his actual voting record.

Ass you can see there weren't even 900 bills voted on.

Nice try though.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 30, 2008, 02:46:46 PM
I quote his actual voting record.

Ass you can see there weren't even 900 bills voted on.

Nice try though.

Oh, you thought that every authored bill reached a vote?  I see.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: w8tlftr on August 30, 2008, 02:58:43 PM
she has a bachelors in journalism from a small school..


He has what, a Harvard law degree?

Wow. How elitist is that?

Do you think it really matters where they go to college? Is your MBA worth less because it didn't come from an Ivy League school? I bet you'd want to punch anyone in the neck that looked down their nose at you because of something as lame as that.

It's simple: Do they or do they not have the stones, wisdom, and leadership skills to lead the free world?

Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Straw Man on August 30, 2008, 03:02:27 PM
Wow. How elitist is that?

Do you think it really matters where they go to college? Is your MBA worth less because it didn't come from an Ivy League school? I bet you'd want to punch anyone in the neck that looked down their nose at you because of something as lame as that.

It's simple: Do they or do they not have the stones, wisdom, and leadership skills to lead the free world?



the answer is yes in terms of salary and job opportunities
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: w8tlftr on August 30, 2008, 03:04:16 PM
the answer is yes in terms of salary and job opportunities

Didn't GWB go to Yale and Harvard?

How's that working out?

Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: a_joker10 on August 30, 2008, 03:05:34 PM
Oh, you thought that every authored bill reached a vote?  I see.

No authoring something that is not voted has no impact on America and no bearing on governning.

Governing means writing legislation that pases into law.

The Dems have had congress and Senate for 2 years maybe he could have tried  writtng something that passed into law.

Or maybe even tried voting a time or 2.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Straw Man on August 30, 2008, 03:09:53 PM
Didn't GWB go to Yale and Harvard?

How's that working out?

It didn't exactly hurt his job prospects

I didn't say it made one qualified but the reality is that a MBA from a Ivy League school is worth more $$$ on the job market.  That why people pay big $$$ to go there

Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: w8tlftr on August 30, 2008, 03:14:45 PM
It didn't exactly hurt his job prospects

I didn't say it made one qualified but the reality is that a MBA from a Ivy League school is worth more $$$ on the job market.  That why people pay big $$$ to go there


I agree with you about that.

I'm just pointing out that it doesn't make the person any more qualified.

I personally don't care that Obama went to college. It's his politics that I don't like.

I've worked with a lot of damn good officers from the Naval Academy and hold it it high regard but I still think McCain is a big disappointment.

Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 30, 2008, 03:36:12 PM
Is your MBA worth less because it didn't come from an Ivy League school? I bet you'd want to punch anyone in the neck that looked down their nose at you because of something as lame as that.

My business school was accredited - it's in the top 25% of national B-schools.  But I readily admit it's a piece of crap in terms of one from a top Business school.  I knew if I wanted to ru a F5oo company, i'd need to attend a top school.  If I wanted to work form home and learn to run a business and secure opportunities leading to sustainable competitive advantages and earn under 100k but have a good life, then a smaller B school was good for me.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: shootfighter1 on August 30, 2008, 04:19:23 PM
I think Obama's backround suggests that he is not fit to be president.  A political organizer most of his career is just not the right experience.  Too much socialistic past and he is also too far left in his party.

I also agree that Palin has less than desirable experience...but she has done a very good job as Gov for the past 2 yrs and has an over 80% approval rating.  A gov is much different than a senator and much better experience for the white house.  I'll be watching to hear more of her.  She is an exciting pick...however, Romney would have been my first choice.

Great to see the republican party nominate a strong woman though...about time.  I also like that she is an outsider.  Its not always better to have so many years in Washington, particularly when that person gets used to federal politics as usual.  I think both tickets are now balanced well with youth & experience...but I'd rather see the more experienced person be president in most cases.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: MCWAY on August 30, 2008, 04:23:24 PM
I think Obama's backround suggests that he is not fit to be president.  A political organizer most of his career is just not the right experience.  Too much socialistic past and he is also too far left in his party.

I also agree that Palin has less than desirable experience...but she has done a very good job as Gov for the past 2 yrs and has an over 80% approval rating.  A gov is much different than a senator and much better experience for the white house.  I'll be watching to hear more of her.  She is an exciting pick...however, Romney would have been my first choice.

Great to see the republican party nominate a strong woman though...about time.  I also like that she is an outsider.  Its not always better to have so many years in Washington, particularly when that person gets used to federal politics as usual.  I think both tickets are now balanced well with youth & experience...but I'd rather see the more experienced person be president in most cases.

I thought it would be Romney, too. But, the first thing people would have jumped on is his being a Mormon.

Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: shootfighter1 on August 30, 2008, 04:44:44 PM
True...I just don't give a shit what religion people are, I suppose unless its satanism or radical islam..you know what I mean.
People make big issues of things that just aren't that important.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: MCWAY on August 30, 2008, 04:50:19 PM
True...I just don't give a shit what religion people are, I suppose unless its satanism or radical islam..you know what I mean.
People make big issues of things that just aren't that important.

It has more to do with the association of Mormonism with polygamy. Although I heard a joke on the "Beltway Boys", when the GOP primaries had just started. They found it ironic that, of all the candidates running for president, the only one who's had just one wife was the Mormon guy (Romney).
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: shootfighter1 on August 30, 2008, 04:51:11 PM
Good point.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on August 30, 2008, 04:53:13 PM
(http://usemycomputer.com/indeximages/2008/August/SarahPalin-Carl.jpg)

Who wouldn't take orders from her?

If that picture isn't photoshopped I'm getting a McCain/Palin yard sign.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: CQ on August 31, 2008, 04:48:48 AM
I thought it would be Romney, too. But, the first thing people would have jumped on is his being a Mormon.

Agree, I thought Romney was head and shoulders above the rest and would be a good pick. Some people's obsession with religion, race and gender instead of simply choosing the best for the job over the years is really so daft.
Title: BOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!
Post by: Benny B on August 31, 2008, 07:01:59 AM
COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS:
Obama holds assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations; Health, Education, Labor and Pensions; Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs; and Veterans' Affairs, and he is a member of the Congressional Black Caucus.

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As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. In August 2005, he traveled to Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan. The trip focused on strategies to control the world's supply of conventional weapons, biological weapons, and weapons of mass destruction as a first defense against potential terrorist attacks.<61>

Following meetings with U.S. military in Kuwait and Iraq in January 2006, Obama visited Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian territories.

He left for his third official trip in August 2006, traveling to South Africa, Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Chad. In a nationally televised speech at the University of Nairobi, he spoke forcefully on the influence of ethnic rivalries and corruption in Kenya.

Obama worked with Russ Feingold (D–WI) to eliminate gifts of travel on corporate jets by lobbyists to members of Congress and require disclosure of bundled campaign contributions under the "Honest Leadership and Open Government Act", which was signed into law in September 2007.

He joined Chuck Schumer (D-NY) in sponsoring S. 453, a bill to criminalize deceptive practices in federal elections, including fraudulent flyers and automated phone calls, as witnessed in the 2006 midterm elections.

Obama also introduced the "Iraq War De-Escalation Act", a bill to cap troop levels in Iraq, begin phased redeployment, and remove all combat brigades from Iraq before April 2008.<68>

Later in 2007, Obama sponsored with Kit Bond (R-MO) an amendment to the 2008 Defense Authorization Act adding safeguards for personality disorder military discharges, and calling for a review by the Government Accountability Office following reports that the procedure had been used inappropriately to reduce government costs.

joined Chuck Hagel (R-NE) in introducing legislation to reduce risks of nuclear terrorism.A provision from the Obama-Hagel bill was passed by Congress in December 2007 as an amendment to the State-Foreign Operations appropriations bill.

Obama also sponsored a Senate amendment to the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) to provide one year of job protection for family members caring for soldiers with combat-related injuries. After passing both houses of Congress with bipartisan majorities, SCHIP was vetoed by President Bush in early October 2007, a move Obama said "shows a callousness of priorities that is offensive to the ideals we hold as Americans."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

THESE ARE BARACK'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN THE U.S. SENATE TO DATE
:

** First legislation, the HOPE Act, which increased Pell Grants to $5100, and later joined Senator Kennedy on the Higher Education legislation that passed July 20, by a vote of 78-18. That legislation also included funding for Predominantly Black Colleges to assist with counseling, tutoring and other needs of low income students. It also creates the Teaching Residency Act which will create a school-based teacher preparation program in high needs schools to provide each teacher with a mentor, content instruction, classroom management skills, a master’s degree and state certification, and a 2 year follow-up program.


**The Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006
is an act that requires the full disclosure of all entities or organizations receiving federal funds beginning in fiscal year (FY) 2007 on a website maintained by the Office of Management and Budget.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Funding_Accountabi...


**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act
Authored by U.S. Sens. Dick Lugar (R-IN) and Barack Obama (D-IL), the Lugar-Obama initiative expands U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department's ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction.
Signed into Law on January 11, 2007.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/chrisblas...


**The 2007 Government Ethics Bill
http://www.rollcall.com/issues/53_17/news/19664-1.html?...
http://www.commonblog.com/story/2007/9/14/164837/331

** The “Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-2125

** S116 - Summer Learning demonstration project to provide summer learning grants and encourage new teaching methods.
http://www.pasesetter.org/demonstrationPrograms/nasd.ht...

and this one, moved out of committee just a few days ago:
Obama's Global Poverty Act of 2007, passed out of committee just a few days ago
WASHINGTON, D.C. - U.S. Senators Barack Obama (D-IL), Chuck Hagel (R-NE), and Maria Cantwell (D-WA) and Congressman Adam Smith (D-WA) today hailed the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's passage of the Global Poverty Act (S.2433), which requires the President to develop and implement a comprehensive policy to cut extreme global poverty in half by 2015 through aid, trade, debt relief, and coordination with the international community, businesses and NGOs. This legislation was introduced in December. Smith and Congressman Spencer Bachus (R-AL) sponsored the House version of the bill (H.R. 1302), which passed the House last September.
http://obama.senate.gov /



Amendments, that have all passed
:

S.Amdt.159 to S.Con.Res.18 - To prevent and, if necessary, respond to an international outbreak of the avian flu.

S.Amdt.390 to H.R.1268 - To provide meal and telephone benefits for members of the Armed Forces who are recuperating from injuries incurred on active duty in Operation Iraqi Freedom or Operation Enduring Freedom.

S.Amdt.670 to H.R.3 - To provide for Flexible Fuel Vehicle (FFV) refueling capability at new and existing refueling station facilities to promote energy security and reduction of greenhouse gas emissions.

S.Amdt.808 to H.R.6 - To establish a program to develop Fischer-Tropsch transportation fuels from Illinois basin coal.

S.Amdt.851 to H.R.6 - To require the Secretary to establish a Joint Flexible Fuel/Hybrid Vehicle Commercialization Initiative, and for other purposes.

S.Amdt.1362 to S.1042 - To require a report on the Department of Defense Composite Health Care System II.

S.Amdt.1453 to S.1402 - To ensure the protection of military and civilian personnel in the Department of Defense from an influenza pandemic, including an avian influenza pandemic.

S.Amdt.2301 to H.R.3010 - To increase funds to the Thurgood Marshall Legal Educational Opportunity Program and to the Office of Special Education Programs of the Department of Education for the purposes of expanding positive behavioral interventions and supports.

S.Amdt.2605 to S.2020 - Expressing the sense of the Senate that the Federal Emergency Management Agency should immediately address issues relating to no-bid contracting.

S.Amdt.2930 to S.2349 - To clarify that availability of legislation does not include nonbusiness days.
S.Amdt.3144 to S.Con.Res.83 - To provide a $40 million increase in FY 2007 for the Homeless Veterans Reintegration Program and to improve job services for hard-to-place veterans

S. Amdt 41 to S. 1 To require lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACs, or political parties for whom they collect or arrange contributions, and the aggregate amount of the contributions collected or arranged.

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Barack has Written a total of 890 Bills and Co-sponsored Another 1096
since he started serving in the U.S. Senate.
Title: OBAMA Senate bills sponsored
Post by: Benny B on August 31, 2008, 07:06:01 AM
OBAMA Senate bills sponsored :
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/thomas
http://www.statesurge.com/members/923 - HANDY LINK!
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S.CON.RES.53 : A concurrent resolution expressing the sense of Congress that any effort impose photo identification requirements for voting should be rejected.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 9/20/2005) Cosponsors (23)
Committees: Senate Rules and Administration
Latest Major Action: 9/20/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on Rules and Administration.


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S.697 : A bill to amend the Higher Education Act of 1965 to improve higher education
, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 4/5/2005) Cosponsors (2)
Committees: Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Latest Major Action: 4/5/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions.


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S.918 : A bill to provide for Flexible Fuel Vehicle (FFV) refueling capability at new and existing refueling station facilities to promote energy security and reduction of greenhouse gas emissions.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 4/27/2005) Cosponsors (5)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 4/27/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.


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S.969 : A bill to amend the Public Health Service Act with respect to preparation for an influenza pandemic, including an avian influenza pandemic
, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 4/28/2005) Cosponsors (9)
Committees: Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Latest Major Action: 4/28/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions.


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S.1180 : A bill to amend title 38, United States Code, to reauthorize various programs servicing the needs of homeless veterans for fiscal years 2007 through 2011,
and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 6/7/2005) Cosponsors (6)
Committees: Senate Veterans' Affairs
Latest Major Action: 6/9/2005 Senate committee/subcommittee actions. Status: Committee on Veterans' Affairs. Hearings held.


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S.1194 : A bill to direct the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to establish guidelines and procedures for tracking, controlling, and accounting for individual spent fuel rods and segments.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 6/8/2005) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Environment and Public Works
Latest Major Action: 6/8/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Environment and Public Works.


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S.1426 : A bill to amend the Safe Drinking Water Act to reauthorize and extend provisions relating to contaminant prevention detection, and response.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 7/19/2005) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Environment and Public Works
Latest Major Action: 7/19/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Environment and Public Works.


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S.1630 : A bill to direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish the National Emergency Family Locator System.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 9/7/2005) Cosponsors (9)
Committees: Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
Latest Major Action: 9/7/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.


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S1638 : A bill to provide for the establishment of programs and activities to assist in mobilizing an appropriate healthcare workforce in the event of a health emergency or natural disaster.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 9/8/2005) Cosponsors (6)
Committees: Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Latest Major Action: 9/8/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions.


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S.1685 : A bill to ensure the evacuation of individuals with special needs in times of emergency.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 9/12/2005) Cosponsors (11)
Committees: Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
Latest Major Action: 9/12/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.


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S.1770 : A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide for advance payment of the earned income tax credit and the child tax credit for 2005 in order to provide needed funds to victims of Hurricane Katrina and to stimulate local economies.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 9/26/2005) Cosponsors (5)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 9/26/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.


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S.1920 : A bill to amend the Clean Air Ac t to establish a renewable diesel standard, and for other purposes.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 10/25/2005) Cosponsors (1)
Committees: Senate Environment and Public Works
Latest Major Action: 10/25/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Environment and Public Works.


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S.1975 : A bill to prohibit deceptive practices in Federal elections.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 11/8/2005) Cosponsors (4)
Committees: Senate Rules and Administration
Latest Major Action: 11/8/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Rules and Administration.


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S.2045 : A bill to provide incentives to the auto industry to accelerate efforts to develop more energy-efficient vehicles to lessen dependence on oil.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 11/17/2005) Cosponsors (1)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 11/17/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.


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S.2047 : A bill to promote healthy communities.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 11/17/2005) Cosponsors (1)
Committees: Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Latest Major Action: 11/17/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions.


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S.2048 : A bill to direct the Consumer Product Safety Commission to classify certain children's products containing lead to be banned hazardous substances.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 11/17/2005) Cosponsors (3)
Committees: Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation
Latest Major Action: 11/17/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation.


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S.2125 : A bill to promote relief, security, and democracy in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 12/16/2005) Cosponsors (12)
Committees: Senate Foreign Relations; House International Relations
Latest Major Action: Became Public Law No: 109-456


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S.2149 : A bill to authorize resources to provide students with opportunities for summer learning through summer learning grants.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 12/20/2005) Cosponsors (1)
Committees: Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Latest Major Action: 12/20/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions.


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S.2179 : A bill to require openness in conference committee deliberations and full disclosure of the contents of conference reports and all other legislation.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 1/18/2006) Cosponsors (9)
Committees: Senate Rules and Administration
Latest Major Action: 1/18/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Rules and Administration.


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S.2201 : A bill to amend title 49, United States Code , to modify the mediation and implementation requirements of section 40122 regarding changes in the Federal Aviation Administration personnel management system, and for other purposes.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 1/26/2006) Cosponsors (38)
Committees: Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation
Latest Major Action: 1/26/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation.


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26. S.2247 : A bill to promote greater use of information technology in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program under chapter 89 of title 5, United States Code, to increase efficiency and reduce costs.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 2/6/2006) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
Latest Major Action: 3/28/2006 Referred to Senate subcommittee. Status: Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs referred to Subcommittee on Oversight of Government Management, the Federal Workforce, and the District of Columbia.


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27. S.2257 : A bill to provide for an enhanced refundable credit for families who resided in the Hurricane Katrina disaster area on August 28, 2005.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 2/8/2006) Cosponsors (3)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 2/8/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.


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28. S.2259 : A bill to establish an Office of Public Integrity in the Congress and a Congressional Ethics Enforcement Commission.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 2/8/2006) Cosponsors (2)
Committees: Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Latest Major Action: 2/8/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.


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29. S.2261 : A bill to provide transparency and integrity in the earmark process.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 2/8/2006) Cosponsors (1)
Committees: Senate Rules and Administration
Latest Major Action: 2/8/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Rules and Administration.


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S.2280 : A bil l to stop transactions which operate to promote fraud, risk, and under-development, and for other purposes.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 2/14/2006) Cosponsors (2)
Committees: Senate Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs
Latest Major Action: 2/14/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs.


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S.2286 : A bill to amend part A of title IV of the Social Security Act to eliminate the separate work participation rate for 2-parent families under the temporary assistance for needy families programs.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 2/14/2006) Cosponsors (1)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 2/14/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.


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32. S.2319 : A bill to provide for the recovery from Hurricane Katrina, and for other purposes.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 2/16/2006) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 2/16/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.


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33. S.2348 : A bill to amend the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 to require a licensee to notify the Atomic Energy Commission, and the State and county in which a facility is located, whenever there is an unplanned release of fission products in excess of allowable limits.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 3/1/2006) Cosponsors (4)
Committees: Senate Environment and Public Works
Senate Reports: 109-347
Latest Major Action: 9/25/2006 Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 637.


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34. S.2358 : A bill to amend title 38, United States Code, to establish a Hospital Quality Report Card Initiative to report on health care quality in Veterans Affairs hospitals.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 3/2/2006) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Veterans' Affairs
Latest Major Action: 3/2/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Veterans' Affairs.


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35. S.2359 : A bill to amend title XVIII of the Social Security Act to establish a Hospital Quality Report Card Initiative under the Medicare program to assess and report on health care quality in hospitals.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 3/2/2006) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 3/2/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.


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36. S.2441 : A bill to authorize resources for a grant program for local educational agencies to create innovation districts.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 3/16/2006) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Latest Major Action: 3/16/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions.


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37. S.2446 : A bill to promote the national security and stability of the economy of the United States by reducing the dependence of the United States on oil through the use of alternative fuels and new technology, and for other purposes.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 3/16/2006) Cosponsors (2) Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 3/16/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.


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38. S.2484 : A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to prohibit the disclosure of tax return information by tax return preparers to third parties.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 3/30/2006) Cosponsors (8)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 3/30/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.


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S.2506 : A bill to require Federal agencies to support health impact assessments and take other actions to improve health and the environmental quality of communities, and for other purposes.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 4/4/2006) Cosponsors (6)
Committees: Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Latest Major Action: 4/4/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions.


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S.2984 : A bill to require certain profitable oil companies to expend 1 percent of recent quarterly profits to install E-85 fuel pumps in the United States.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 5/23/2006) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Energy and Natural Resources
Latest Major Action: 5/23/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Energy and Natural Resources.


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S.3475 : A bill to provide housing assistance for very low-income veterans.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 6/7/2006) Cosponsors (3)
Committees: Senate Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs
Latest Major Action: 6/7/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs.


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S.3554 : A bill to establish an alternative diesel standard,
and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 6/21/2006) Cosponsors (4)
Committees: Senate Environment and Public Works
Latest Major Action: 6/21/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Environment and Public Works.


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S.3627 : A bill to prohibit the Department of Defense and the Department of Energy from selling, distributing, or transferring elemental mercury, to prohibit the export of elemental mercury, and for other purposes.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 6/29/2006) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Environment and Public Works
Latest Major Action: 6/29/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Environment and Public Works.


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S.3631 : A bill to amend the Toxic Substances Control Act to phase out the use of mercury in the manufacture of chlorine and caustic soda, and for other purposes.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 7/11/2006) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Environment and Public Works
Latest Major Action: 7/11/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Environment and Public Works.


Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
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S.3694 : A bill to increase fuel economy standards for automobiles,
and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 7/19/2006) Cosponsors (10)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 7/19/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.


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S.3757 : A bill to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 950 Missouri Avenue in East St. Louis, Illinois, as the "Katherine Dunham Post Office Building".

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 7/27/2006) Cosponsors (1)
Committees: Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
Latest Major Action: 7/27/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.
Note: For further action, see H.R.5929, which became Public Law 109-333 on 10/12/2006.


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S.3822 : A bill to improve access to and appropriate utilization of valid, reliable and accurate molecular genetic tests by all populations thus helping to secure the promise of personalized medicine for all Americans.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 8/3/2006) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 8/3/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.


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S.3969 : A bill to amend the Toxic Substances Control Act to assess and reduce the levels of lead found in child-occupied facilities in the United States,
and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 9/28/2006) Cosponsors (1)
Committees: Senate Environment and Public Works
Latest Major Action: 9/28/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Environment and Public Works.


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64. S.3988 : A bill to amend title 10 and 38, United States Code, to improve benefits and services for members of the Armed Forces, veterans of the Global War on Terrorism, and other veterans, to require reports on the effects of the Global War on Terrorism
, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 9/28/2006) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Veterans' Affairs
Latest Major Action: 9/28/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Veterans' Affairs.


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S.4069 : A bill to prohibit deceptive practices in Federal elections.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 11/16/2006) Cosponsors (4)
Committees: Senate Rules and Administration
Latest Major Action: 11/16/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Rules and Administration.


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S.4102 : A bill to amend the Communications Act of 1934 to prohibit the use of telecommunications devices for the purposes of preventing or obstructing the broadcast or exchange of election-related information.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 12/7/2006) Cosponsors (None) Committees: Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation
Latest Major Action: 12/7/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation.


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S.AMDT.159 to S.CON.RES.18 To prevent and, if necessary, respond to an international outbreak of the avian flu.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 3/15/2005) Cosponsors (2)
Latest Major Action: 3/17/2005 Senate amendment agreed to. Status: Amendment SA 159 agreed to in Senate by Unanimous Consent.


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S.AMDT.390 to H.R.1268 To provide meal and telephone benefits for members of the Armed Forces who are recuperating from injuries incurred on active duty in Operation Iraqi Freedom or Operation Enduring Freedom.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 4/13/2005) Cosponsors (3)
Latest Major Action: 4/14/2005 Senate amendment agreed to. Status: Amendment SA 390 agreed to in Senate by Voice Vote.

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S.AMDT.670 to H.R.3 To provide for Flexible Fuel Vehicle (FFV) refueling capability at new and existing refueling station facilities to promote energy security and reduction of greenhouse gas emissions.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 5/11/2005) Cosponsors (9)
Latest Major Action: 5/12/2005 Senate amendment agreed to. Status: Amendment SA 670 as modified agreed to in Senate by Unanimous Consent.

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S.AMDT.808 to H.R.6 To establish a program to develop Fischer-Tropsch transportation fuels from Illinois basin coal.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 6/20/2005) Cosponsors (1)
Latest Major Action: 6/23/2005 Senate amendment agreed to. Status: Amendment SA 808 agreed to in Senate by Unanimous Consent.


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S.AMDT.851 to H.R.6 To require the Secretary to establish a Joint Flexible Fuel/Hybrid Vehicle Commercialization Initiative, and for other purposes.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 6/22/2005) Cosponsors (1) Latest Major Action: 6/23/2005 Senate amendment agreed to. Status: Amendment SA 851 as modified agreed to in Senate by Unanimous Consent.


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S.AMDT.1264 to H.R.3057 To support a United States contribution to the Special Court for Sierra Leone.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 7/18/2005) Cosponsors (3)
Latest Major Action: 7/19/2005 Senate amendment agreed to. Status: Amendment SA 1264 agreed to in Senate by Unanimous Consent.


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S.AMDT.1362 to S.1042 To require a report on the Department of Defense Composite Health Care System II.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 7/21/2005) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 11/8/2005 Senate amendment agreed to. Status: Amendment SA 1362 as modified agreed to in Senate by Unanimous Consent.


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S.AMDT.1453 to S.1042 To ensure the protection of military and civilian personnel in the Department of Defense from an influenza pandemic, including an avian influenza pandemic.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 7/25/2005) Cosponsors (2)
Latest Major Action: 11/8/2005 Senate amendment agreed to. Status: Amendment SA 1453 as modified agreed to in Senate by Unanimous Consent.


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S.AMDT.2301 to H.R.3010 To increase funds to the Thurgood Marshall Legal Educational Opportunity Program and to the Office of Special Education Programs of the Department of Education for the purposes of expanding positive behavioral interventions and supports.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 10/26/2005) Cosponsors (6)
Latest Major Action: 10/27/2005 Senate amendment agreed to. Status: Amendment SA 2301 agreed to in Senate by Voice Vote.

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S.AMDT.2605 to S.2020 Expressing the sense of the Senate that the Federal Emergency Management Agency should immediately address issues relating to no-bid contracting.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 11/17/2005) Cosponsors (5)
Latest Major Action: 11/17/2005 Senate amendment agreed to. Status: Amendment SA 2605 agreed to in Senate by Unanimous Consent.


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S.AMDT.2930 to S.2349 To clarify tha t availability of legislation does not include nonbusiness days.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 3/7/2006) Cosponsors (1)
Latest Major Action: 3/29/2006 Senate amendment agreed to. Status: Amendment SA 2930 agreed to in Senate by Unanimous Consent.


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S.AMDT.2965 to S.2349 To ban employment negotiations to become lobbyists by Members of Congress and required recusal for senior congressional staff while in office.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 3/8/2006) Cosponsors (2)
Latest Major Action: 3/29/2006 Amendment SA 2965 ruled out of order by the chair.


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S.AMDT.2995 to S.2349 To expand the prohibition on lobbying in the year after leaving service to the Senate to include a prohibition on paid coordination activities.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 3/9/2006) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 3/29/2006 Amendment SA 2995 ruled out of order by the chair.


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S.AMDT.3144 to S.CON.RES.83 To provide a $40 million increase in FY 2007 for the Homeless Veterans Reintegration Program and to improve job services for hard-to-place veterans.

Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 3/16/2006) Cosponsors (2)
Latest Major Action: 3/16/2006 Senate amendment agreed to. Status: Amendment SA 3144 agreed to in Senate by Unanimous Consent.

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Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 31, 2008, 07:54:34 AM
A political organizer most of his career is just not the right experience. 

I'm not sure you have good info here.
OBAMA: 8 years as a state senator, and 3.5 years in the US Senate.  1997 thru present, total.

PALIN: 18 months as governor.  Before that, several years as part-time mayor of a town of 9000.
Title: BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANG!!!
Post by: Benny B on August 31, 2008, 08:02:49 AM
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Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 31, 2008, 11:08:13 AM
Wow. How elitist is that?

Do you think it really matters where they go to college? Is your MBA worth less because it didn't come from an Ivy League school? I bet you'd want to punch anyone in the neck that looked down their nose at you because of something as lame as that.

It's simple: Do they or do they not have the stones, wisdom, and leadership skills to lead the free world?



Definitely elitist. 
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Benny B on August 31, 2008, 11:12:25 AM
Wow. How elitist is that?

Do you think it really matters where they go to college? Is your MBA worth less because it didn't come from an Ivy League school? I bet you'd want to punch anyone in the neck that looked down their nose at you because of something as lame as that.

It's simple: Do they or do they not have the stones, wisdom, and leadership skills to lead the free world?


I think 7+ homes and a net worth of $100+ million makes you potentially "elitist", but that's just me.  ::)
McCain should have never started that bullshit charge in the first place.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: w8tlftr on August 31, 2008, 11:44:26 AM
I think 7+ homes and a net worth of $100+ million makes you potentially "elitist", but that's just me.  ::)
McCain should have never started that bullshit charge in the first place.

No that makes a person rich.

Saying "I'm more qualified and know what's best for you because I went to school at xyz college" is elitist.



Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: headhuntersix on August 31, 2008, 11:56:49 AM
U realize state senator in Ill is part time right? Most if not all of the bills that Obama was part of never made it, were not really oppossed, or did nothing. Try as u might, he was not a force in the senate, sorry.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 31, 2008, 12:31:51 PM
U realize state senator in Ill is part time right? Most if not all of the bills that Obama was part of never made it, were not really oppossed, or did nothing. Try as u might, he was not a force in the senate, sorry.

lol . . . Funny how I haven't heard the liberals on this board say he was a part-time state senator, but they call Palin a part-time mayor.   ::)
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: headhuntersix on August 31, 2008, 02:37:31 PM
Some stats.....

90th General Assembly - 1997-1998

Senate days - 118 days (59 days per year; 1.13 days per week)

91st General Assembly - 1999-2000

Senate days - 112 days (56 days per year; 1.08 days per week)

92nd General Assmebly - 2001-2002

Senate days - 118 days (59 days per year; 1.13 days per week)

93rd General Assembly - 2003-2004

Senate days - 161 days (80 days per year; 1.52 days per week)

Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: headhuntersix on August 31, 2008, 02:42:52 PM
46 of 50 states have part-time legislatures. Only New York, California, Pennsylvania, and Michigan have "standing" legislatures.

he got paid about 65,000 a year plus benefits, not bad for part time....he taught and did his other "community organizing" as well. It would appear that many people associated with him benefited from his part time work. Its amazing how a guy from the most corrupt political machine in the most corrupt state, gets not grief associated from it.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 31, 2008, 03:48:12 PM
Yes, it's elitist to compare college degrees in determining the value of an education.

Spoken like a person without a college degree, BB ;)
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on August 31, 2008, 03:50:32 PM
Yes, it's elitist to compare college degrees in determining the value of an education.

Spoken like a person without a college degree, BB ;)

I thought Beach Bum was a college Professor?  ???



Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on August 31, 2008, 03:53:44 PM
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Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 31, 2008, 03:56:43 PM
Yes, it's elitist to compare college degrees in determining the value of an education.

Spoken like a person without a college degree, BB ;)

Spoken like someone with a mail order degree with little real life experience.   :)
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: CQ on August 31, 2008, 04:39:04 PM
Yes, it's elitist to compare college degrees in determining the value of an education.


Of course it matters, and it is daft to say it doesn't.

If any of our kids were on their deathbed, and we had a choice between a Harvard educated doctor and a Uni of Idaho doctor - we'd all go for Harvard and we know it.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 31, 2008, 05:02:19 PM
I thought Beach Bum was a college Professor?  ???

He did work in education - with those who really do need it - the one thing that I actually do admire about him.  The minute I leared that part was real, I found a new respect for him and stopped flaming him all the time.   hence my playing nice lately :)
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 31, 2008, 05:03:47 PM
Spoken like someone with a mail order degree with little real life experience.   :)

I see.

You put the same value on a harvard law degree as on a journalism degree from idaho?
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 31, 2008, 05:04:10 PM
Of course it matters, and it is daft to say it doesn't.

If any of our kids were on their deathbed, and we had a choice between a Harvard educated doctor and a Uni of Idaho doctor - we'd all go for Harvard and we know it.


No "we" wouldn't.  I would choose the doctor with a track record of success.  I could care less where he or she went to school, so long as he or she can get the job done.  
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 31, 2008, 05:04:25 PM
He did work in education - with those who really do need it - the one thing that I actually do admire about him.  The minute I leared that part was real, I found a new respect for him and stopped flaming him all the time.   hence my playing nice lately :)


 ::)
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 31, 2008, 05:05:54 PM
I see.

You put the same value on a harvard law degree as on a journalism degree from idaho?

Of course not.  One is an undergraduate degree and one is a professional graduate degree.  Obviously, a graduate degree is typically more "valuable" than an undergraduate degree. 
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: CQ on August 31, 2008, 05:11:18 PM
No "we" wouldn't.  I would choose the doctor with a track record of success.  I could care less where he or she went to school, so long as he or she can get the job done.  

All other things being equal, the sheet fact remains education is not all the same.

To deny that a Ivy League degree is technically superior, and that having 2 is better than 1, simply defies any point of classification.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 31, 2008, 05:22:13 PM
All other things being equal, the sheet fact remains education is not all the same.

To deny that a Ivy League degree is technically superior, and that having 2 is better than 1, simply defies any point of classification.

I was denying your contention that I'd prefer a Harvard doctor over an Idaho doctor (assuming Idaho has a medical school).  I have never asked a professional that I was going to hire for personal services where they went to school.  And if the issue came up, it was not so I could determine whether they were qualified. 

I've met and dealt with some very smart people from Harvard et al. and some dummies from Harvard.  I've met and dealt with some very smart people who went to small schools, etc. 

Dubya graduated from Harvard and Yale and some people think he is stupid, incompetent, etc.
 
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: calmus on August 31, 2008, 05:31:00 PM


Dubya graduated from Harvard and Yale and some people think he is stupid, incompetent, etc.
 

Douche Mark conveniently forgets that like Mac, Dubya got in on his connections, obama on merit.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 31, 2008, 05:44:06 PM
Callous, the law school flunky, should also add that a law degree is much more valuable when the graduate passes the bar exam.  Right callous? 
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Benny B on August 31, 2008, 08:07:18 PM
Douche Mark conveniently forgets that like Mac, Dubya got in on his connections, obama on merit.
;)

Dubya's admittance to Yale was ENTIRELY based on family connections.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: headhuntersix on August 31, 2008, 08:13:17 PM
And Obama's rise to head of the Law Review was based on the fact that somebody decided they were not color balanced. Who gives a shit. It matters what u do with the degree. Obama has done nothing, never led, never been in charge, never done the same full time job for more then four year. She has been an executive, a leader. The boss......
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: calmus on August 31, 2008, 08:15:41 PM
And Obama's rise to head of the Law Review was based on the fact that somebody decided they were not color balanced.

Dumbass. 

Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: CQ on August 31, 2008, 08:22:54 PM
Dumbass. 

It will be the only reaction some are capable of.

McCain had tons of solid picks like Romney - but whipped out an Idaho college grad, with 4 kids to take care off, who has only left the USA twice, and is an 18 month governor of a tiny state and under investigation for abuse of power.

Hard to make any rational case she's a great pick, so the MO of tossing dumb stuff at Obama will continue.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: headhuntersix on August 31, 2008, 08:33:07 PM
Dumbass. 



Law review prestige
In the fall of 1989, when Obama returned to campus for his second year, students were protesting the lack of minority law school faculty. They staged sit-ins in the law library, camped outside the office of Dean Robert C. Clark, and carried signs that read "Diversity Now" and "Homogeneity Feeds Hatred." The tensions continued the following spring, reaching a high when Derrick A. Bell Jr., the first tenured black professor at the school, resigned in protest. Obama was a member of the Black Law Students Association, which organized many demonstrations that spring. But he was less confrontational than some of his peers.

"Barack was a stabilizing influence in that he would absolutely support those efforts, but was also someone who could discuss and debate them with students or faculty who had different views," said Professor Charles J. Ogletree Jr., who became Harvard's seventh tenured black professor in 1993



Hence the pressure to get a Black guy as the head of the review....not some bs CT site...Boston Globe
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: headhuntersix on August 31, 2008, 08:35:24 PM
Obama got himself named editor of the Harvard Law Review. This is a signal achievement, no question about it. The kind of thing that would be mentioned about a person for the rest of his life, as has been the case with Obama. But then... he writes nothing for the journal.


Now, let's get this straight: here we have one of the leading university law journals in the country, one widely cited and read. Entire careers in legal analysis and scholarship have been founded on appearances in the Review, including some that have led to the highest courts in the country. Yet here's an individual who, as editor, could easily place his own work in the journal -- standard practice, nothing at all wrong with it. But he fails to do so. And the explanation? There's none that I've heard. We can go even farther than that, to say that there is no explanation that makes the least rational sense. 
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: youandme on August 31, 2008, 08:51:01 PM
Douche Mark conveniently forgets that like Mac, Dubya got in on his connections, obama on merit.

 ::)

Affirmitive Action and being mixed race did not help at all
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: calmus on August 31, 2008, 08:54:23 PM
::)

Affirmitive Action and being mixed race did not help at all

Learn how to spell "affirmative," dumbass... it'll help you sound smarter.  ::)

Yeah, I'm sure that's why Obama graduated with great grades while Dubya scraped along.

Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 31, 2008, 08:54:41 PM
Interesting find HH.  Definitely puts this whole "law review" thing in context.  
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: headhuntersix on August 31, 2008, 08:54:51 PM
Not in the least.....but honestly it doesn't matter. He's done nothing up until he he was elected to the US senate to merit any real greatness. He made a speech to get his name on the ballot...and he made speeches to get himself nominated. Who the hell writes an autobiography in his early 30's. He graduated Harvard in 91...and writes a book about himself in 95....having done what exactly.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: CQ on August 31, 2008, 08:56:25 PM
It's funny really, as anyone is near delusional if they think Palin didn't get the nod as she is female.

If she was male, McCain would not have even considered her.

Affirmative action through and through.

Amusing really ;D
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: headhuntersix on August 31, 2008, 08:58:17 PM
No she got the nod because she was female...she got it because she's a conservative, she's pretty, smart....fiesty and to grab some Hil supporters...alot of reasons.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 31, 2008, 08:59:33 PM
No she got the nod because she was female...she got it because she's a conservative, she's pretty, smart....fiesty and to grab some Hil supporters...alot of reasons.

all true.

I didn't know obama engineered a coup to have himself nominated then given the job of law review president!  Definitely devalues it, but at the same time demonstrates what i've been saying all along - he is one shrewd, cold dude.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: calmus on August 31, 2008, 09:02:13 PM
all true.

I didn't know obama engineered a coup to have himself nominated then given the job of law review president!  Definitely devalues it, but at the same time demonstrates what i've been saying all along - he is one shrewd, cold dude.

Yup, I have more respect for him now that I've learned he not only

Gamed the law school exams that are graded blindly

Outmaneuvered some of the brightest, most competitive and grasping people in the civilized world.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Benny B on August 31, 2008, 09:07:41 PM
::)

Affirmitive Action and being mixed race did not help at all
Affirmative Action helps get you in the door, it doesn't help you graduate with honors.  ;)

Affirmative Action got him elected as head of the Harvard Law Review?  ::)
You obviously don't realize how competitive fellow students are at the grad school level, especially at a school like Harvard. You won't get a position like that without the respect of your peers.

You probably don't know these things because you got your GED at age 22, but congratulations for making the effort, "youandme!"  ;D
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: calmus on August 31, 2008, 09:11:52 PM
 :'( :'( :'( Affirmitive Ackshin is so unfare  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 31, 2008, 09:12:02 PM
Obama is a very smart man - but he's also one calculating dude.

He sunk the clinton election machine.
He degraded mccain to the point of a desperate milk pick with major luggage emerging.
He's about to become the most powerful man on earth.

He's fearless, with ice water in his veins.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 31, 2008, 09:13:39 PM
Obama is a very smart man - but he's also one calculating dude.

He sunk the clinton election machine.
He degraded mccain to the point of a desperate milk pick with major luggage emerging.
He's about to become the most powerful man on earth.

He's fearless, with ice water in his veins.


lol. . . .  He has ice water as long as he is giving a prepared speech.  He looks like a deer in headlights when he doesn't have a script. 
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 31, 2008, 09:23:28 PM
lol. . . .  He has ice water as long as he is giving a prepared speech.  He looks like a deer in headlights when he doesn't have a script. 

He's come outta nowhere and - ready for this - has almost manipulated his way to the most powerful job on earth.

Why is it that every other politician also has the ability to give prepared speeches, yet no one in this era has electified audiences like Obama?

Wait, none of them use teleprompters?
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Fury on August 31, 2008, 09:23:56 PM
He's come outta nowhere and - ready for this - has almost manipulated his way to the most powerful job on earth.

Why is it that every other politician also has the ability to give prepared speeches, yet no one in this era has electified audiences like Obama?

Wait, none of them use teleprompters?

He's black. Would he be anywhere near as popular or "influential" as he is today if he wasn't? Not a chance.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 31, 2008, 09:26:41 PM
He's come outta nowhere and - ready for this - has almost manipulated his way to the most powerful job on earth.

Why is it that every other politician also has the ability to give prepared speeches, yet no one in this era has electified audiences like Obama?

Wait, none of them use teleprompters?

None of them give speeches like MLK.  He came along at the right time.  The Democrat party has no leader.  The old guard is pretty useless.  He gave a great convention speech and a star was born.  Does that mean he has ice in his veins?  Hardly. 
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Benny B on August 31, 2008, 09:31:22 PM
None of them give speeches like MLK.  He came along at the right time.  The Democrat party has no leader.  The old guard is pretty useless.  He gave a great convention speech and a star was born.  Does that mean he has ice in his veins?  Hardly. 
Will you still be telling yourself that when Obama is sitting in the Oval Office, or will you do the world a favor and kill yourself? :-\
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 31, 2008, 09:35:31 PM
Will you still be telling yourself that when Obama is sitting in the Oval Office, or will you do the world a favor and kill yourself? :-\

Get a new line son.   ::) 
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Decker on August 31, 2008, 09:40:38 PM
None of them give speeches like MLK.  He came along at the right time.  The Democrat party has no leader.  The old guard is pretty useless.  He gave a great convention speech and a star was born.  Does that mean he has ice in his veins?  Hardly. 
What do you mean by 'democrat party'?
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 31, 2008, 09:41:44 PM
What do you mean by 'democrat party'?

It's what they're having at Obama headquarters tonight.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Fury on August 31, 2008, 09:44:55 PM
Should have really went with Romney. Guy was founder of Bain Capital, one of the three biggest PE firms in the country.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 31, 2008, 09:46:44 PM
Should have really went with Romney. Guy was founder of Bain Capital, one of the three biggest PE firms in the country.

I still believe Romney will be the choice.

I think Palin will withdrawn her name from nomination on Tuesday morning for personal reasons, and will become a weird footnote/trivia question.

Mccain will stand alongside Romney, helping to rebuild some trashed TX/Louisiana town on Thursday, and announce their plan to win the White house.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Decker on August 31, 2008, 09:47:23 PM
It's what they're having at Obama headquarters tonight.
http://www.democrats.org/

There is no national democrat party.

That truncated form of the democratic party is a rightwing republican rhetorical/propaganda maneuver to remove any association btn the notion of democratic with democrats.

Stupid yet they still do it.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: CQ on August 31, 2008, 09:48:07 PM
Should have really went with Romney. Guy was founder of Bain Capital, one of the three biggest PE firms in the country.

I think Romney was a far better choice for #1. Apart from his great business accomplishments, his family life is beyond rational criticsm. One marriage, raised 5 really successful kids who all campaigned for him etc.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Fury on August 31, 2008, 09:50:31 PM
I still believe Romney will be the choice.

I think Palin will withdrawn her name from nomination on Tuesday morning for personal reasons, and will become a weird footnote/trivia question.

Mccain will stand alongside Romney, helping to rebuild some trashed TX/Louisiana town on Thursday, and announce their plan to win the White house.

Wouldn't surprise me. I could actually see it happening like that. Should be interesting to see how it plays out.

I think Romney was a far better choice for #1. Apart from his great business accomplishments, his family life is beyond rational criticsm. One marriage, raised 5 really successful kids who all campaigned for him etc.

Yeah, definitely would be a stronger card. Still not a fan of them, but can't go wrong with Romney's economic experience.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: calmus on August 31, 2008, 09:51:10 PM
I still believe Romney will be the choice.

I think Palin will withdrawn her name from nomination on Tuesday morning for personal reasons, and will become a weird footnote/trivia question.

Mccain will stand alongside Romney, helping to rebuild some trashed TX/Louisiana town on Thursday, and announce their plan to win the White house.

ROFL.  That chart is some funny shit.

She could probably do things with her vajayjay that would drive men crazy
.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Fury on August 31, 2008, 09:52:13 PM
ROFL.  That chart is some funny shit.

She could probably do things with her vajayjay that would drive men crazy
.

I'm willing to give her a throw to find out. Probably break my dick off.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Decker on August 31, 2008, 09:52:30 PM
I think Romney was a far better choice for #1. Apart from his great business accomplishments, his family life is beyond rational criticsm. One marriage, raised 5 really successful kids who all campaigned for him etc.
I knew PE was big, what with the enzyte(sp?) commercials running all the time.  But I had no idea the penis enlargement (PE) was such big business in this country.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 31, 2008, 09:53:10 PM
http://www.democrats.org/

There is no national democrat party.

That truncated form of the democratic party is a rightwing republican rhetorical/propaganda maneuver to remove any association btn the notion of democratic with democrats.

Stupid yet they still do it.

Oh, I know.  My pun was that the democrats are partying tonight.

DailyKos getting more and more evidence...
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Fury on August 31, 2008, 09:54:46 PM
I knew PE was big, what with the enzyte(sp?) commercials running all the time.  But I had no idea the penis enlargement (PE) was such big business in this country.

Never heard of private equity, dipshit? Bain Capital manages about $80 billion in assets. Romney helped to establish it.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 31, 2008, 09:58:24 PM
What do you mean by 'democrat party'?

http://www.democrats.org/
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: CQ on August 31, 2008, 09:59:22 PM
Guys, hate to be a sexist - but my feminine wiles tell me not many females had a hand in making this Palin decision.

I get the conservative, evangelical thing - but she really is not the best for gaining the female vote. That chart from 240 highlights that, and female will question that and many will find it appalling. Many moms will cringe at the thought of a mom with 5 kids wanting to be VP, kids should be first. Not me, but some ladies are dumb and she's very pretty so that may cause subconscious jealousy issues.

Female - great choice, he could have won hands down I think with a better female selection.....more experience, not a pack of kids to be raised, not one who jetted around while in labour then went back to work 72 hrs after baby was born [that doesn't sit well with me at all]
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Fury on August 31, 2008, 10:05:27 PM
That family picture really doesn't prove shit to me. The girl doesn't look pregnant in it. I see dozens of girls a week around campus that have stomachs like that. She looks fat.

This is 16 year old Jamie Lynn Spears when pregnant.

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/fisherwy/SByekDmHXwI/AAAAAAAAOyM/sW3N0Ymc4XI/Jamie%20Lynn%20Spears%20giant%20baby%20bump%20picture%5B3%5D.jpg)
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 31, 2008, 10:08:46 PM
That family picture really doesn't prove shit to me. The girl doesn't look pregnant in it. I see dozens of girls a week around campus that have stomachs like that. She looks fat.

This is 16 year old Jamie Lynn Spears when pregnant.

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/fisherwy/SByekDmHXwI/AAAAAAAAOyM/sW3N0Ymc4XI/Jamie%20Lynn%20Spears%20giant%20baby%20bump%20picture%5B3%5D.jpg)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332

They've done their homework.  I'd put it at 75/25 now.

Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 31, 2008, 10:11:24 PM
One mom's point of view:



I think knew right away this story sounded completely unbelievable. The more you hear, the weirder it sounds.
There's no option where Palin sounds smart or reasonable here.
It's her baby, and yet she's taking long plane rides at 8 months pregnant to give a speech. She's leaking amniotic fluid -- where I'm betting 99 percent of doctors would say what mine did -- get to a hospital now! (And I was full-term at the time. Said I wanted to take a shower and needed to drop my 3-year-old off at pre-school and then my husband and I would be at the hospital. No, get to the hospital now. You're at risk for infection. If your membranes are ruptured completely, you're at risk for a prolapsed umbilical cord, where the cord comes out first, baby presses against it and cuts off his own oxygen supply.)
And they wouldn't let me go more than 24 hours with ruptured membranes before doing a C-section. Too great a risk of infection.
These are my pregnancy experiences. I'm sure there are many women on this site who will say they experienced the same things.
I bet there's no one here who's ever been pregnant who had a doctor who said, If you're leaking amniotic fluid, it's ok to stay and give a speech and then fly home for 11 hours. Not a single one.

We know this story stinks. She's lying. Or she's a terrible mother and not very smart.

And if she's elected, she will not hesitate to try to tell me and my daughter what we can do with our own bodies should we become pregnant.

That's why it's relevant. She wants to stick her nose into everyone's pregnancies. We have a right to know about hers.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Fury on August 31, 2008, 10:14:19 PM
Interesting. Does seem to be looking more likely.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: youandme on August 31, 2008, 10:19:25 PM
In questioning if this story is real, I'm gonna have to question if Obama's birth certificate is real. This story makes no sense, since the GOP would know if the women had another child by her mere medical records.

Although the pics are weird.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: CQ on August 31, 2008, 10:22:03 PM
Well, one thing is for sure - it gives us something to discuss ;D

Also, whats weird about the pics is the face? Note how pregnant women's faces change subtly as her first pic shows. The last pics from this new baby don't?

After Edwards - who knows. I assumed that was a rumour, as surely no one was dumb enough to run for prez with that skeleton in their closet. As we see, I was wrong.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 31, 2008, 10:22:56 PM
http://perezhilton.com/2008-08-31-you-must-39

Perez Hilton has the story.  It's the "Most emailed" story on their site.

Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 31, 2008, 10:25:33 PM
In questioning if this story is real, I'm gonna have to question if Obama's birth certificate is real. This story makes no sense, since the GOP would know if the women had another child by her mere medical records.

YAM -

The state of hawaii has announced his birth cert is real.  Google it.

The GOP didn't look at her medical records.  They didn't look at her local newspaper clippings.  They didn't interview her friends and family.  People posting from alaska on diff forums are saying this rumor was rampant for months, but nobody cared.  She went hiking and powerwalking - in high heel shoes no less - when she was 6 months pregnant.

Interestingly enough - the state of Alaska website is frantically removing pics of Palin taken during the pregnancy, from their website.  And, the hospital that didn't have her listed as a birth that day - but had several others - took down their list.  Google cache is revealing a whole lotta changin' going on.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: youandme on August 31, 2008, 10:25:58 PM
Well, one thing is for sure - it gives us something to discuss ;D

Also, whats weird about the pics is the face? Note how pregnant women's faces change subtly as her first pic shows. The last pics from this new baby don't?

After Edwards - who knows. I assumed that was a rumour, as surely no one was dumb enough to run for prez with that skeleton in their closet. As we see, I was wrong.

You have had a kid show us some pics of you before and after.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 31, 2008, 10:26:04 PM
Well, one thing is for sure - it gives us something to discuss ;D

Also, whats weird about the pics is the face? Note how pregnant women's faces change subtly as her first pic shows. The last pics from this new baby don't?

After Edwards - who knows. I assumed that was a rumour, as surely no one was dumb enough to run for prez with that skeleton in their closet. As we see, I was wrong.

For some women, the changes are not as dramatic with each pregnancy.  They don't necessarily gain as much weight, etc.  
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: CQ on August 31, 2008, 10:35:36 PM
You have had a kid show us some pics of you before and after.

Oh I did my childbirth the easy way. Inheritence ;D

I stepped up when her biological mother had "issues" shall we say. I've raised her since I was a teenager.

Is prolly why I am touchy about bad mothering and this Palin thing. I have seen it first hand and know the effects. Kids are not things to be dumped off, and should come first, that is that.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Decker on September 01, 2008, 06:50:00 AM
Never heard of private equity, dipshit? Bain Capital manages about $80 billion in assets. Romney helped to establish it.
GEt lost Eldon, Ozark, Hereford....

Go back into hiding.  That's where you make your best contributions to this board you humorless twit.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Decker on September 01, 2008, 06:51:03 AM
http://www.democrats.org/
Oh you got me there.  Democrats in the democratic party.  You said, 'democrat party' and I was....aw, to hell with everything.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Fury on September 01, 2008, 06:52:18 AM
GEt lost Eldon, Ozark, Hereford....

Go back into hiding.  That's where you make your best contributions to this board you humorless twit.

Sorry that I made you look like an uneducated dipshit.  :'(
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Decker on September 01, 2008, 06:55:12 AM
Sorry that I made you look like an uneducated dipshit.  :'(
That...is...an impossibility.

You shine my shoes at best Eldon.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Grape Ape on September 01, 2008, 06:59:37 AM
That family picture really doesn't prove shit to me. The girl doesn't look pregnant in it. I see dozens of girls a week around campus that have stomachs like that. She looks fat.



The pic was taken 2006.  The baby was born in 2008.


Apparently these rumors have been going around Alaska for some time.  If they were true, McCain would have never picked her.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Grape Ape on September 01, 2008, 07:04:27 AM
He's black. Would he be anywhere near as popular or "influential" as he is today if he wasn't? Not a chance.

Nor would he have received over 90% of the black vote in certain state primaries.  Clinton would be the nominee.
Title: Re: Is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander in Chief ?
Post by: Fury on September 01, 2008, 07:08:46 AM
That...is...an impossibility.

You shine my shoes at best Eldon.

I see, so you thought you were just being funny when you showed that you had no idea what Bain Capital is. Guess Minnesota humor centers around making oneself look like an idiot.