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How is it possible to be a mother that is involved in her kids lives, while working full time ??? I understand that some people have no choice and need dual incomes to get by. But, if you don't need the dual income, why would a mother of little kids choose to work full time!? It seems like a very selfish thing to do :-\
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Yay sexism at its best.
Why doesn't the father stay at home if he makes less money?
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Yay sexism at its best.
Why doesn't the father stay at home if he makes less money?
At least one parent should stay home, whichever is best suited to do so. In our case, once we were fortunate enough to get pregnant, my wife stopped working and took on the full time job of being a mother. And believe me, it's FULL time. And, quite frankly, it's the most important job of all. All I do is bring home a paycheck. My wife is a major influence on the daily lives our little girls. I can't imagine delegating that HUGE responsibility to a nanny or day care center...
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At least one parent should stay home, whichever is best suited to do so. In our case, once we were fortunate enough to get pregnant, my wife stopped working and took on the full time job of being a mother. And believe me, it's FULL time. And, quite frankly, it's the most important job of all. All I do is bring home a paycheck. My wife is a major influence on the daily lives our little girls. I can't imagine delegating that HUGE responsibility to a nanny or day care center...
I don't.
Many parents are horrible and some should be around their kids as little as possible.
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I don't.
Many parents are horrible and some should be around their kids as little as possible.
Thanks for stating the obvious ::)
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Yay sexism at its best.
Why doesn't the father stay at home if he makes less money?
I feel a mother with a downs baby, 2 young kids, a pregnant teen and an 18yr old has no place focusing her attention not on her kids.
Women in the day didn't fight for equal rights so women could leave their kids and run around waving at crowds. Many qualified people for VP, those kids have one mom.
What will she do? Tell Putin to reschedule as Willow is getting tonsils out? Tell Merkel to call her back as the baby is crying? Tell Kevin Rudd to chang his plans, as it's a PTA meeting? Or will she brush the kids important stuff off? It will be one of the other - she will suck at one job.
If any man running had 4 minor kids, 1 downs baby, 1 teen who is pregnant which is construed as poor parenting already by some - I would think their focus needs to be on their kids also - not running for the most demanding job ever.
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I feel a mother with a downs baby, 2 young kids, a pregnant teen and an 18yr old has no place focusing her attention not on her kids.
Women in the day didn't fight for equal rights so women could leave their kids and run around waving at crowds. Many qualified people for VP, those kids have one mom.
What will she do? Tell Putin to reschedule as Willow is getting tonsils out? Tell Merkel to call her back as the baby is crying? Tell Kevin Rudd to chang his plans, as it's a PTA meeting? Or will she brush the kids important stuff off? It will be one of the other - she will suck at one job.
If any man running had 4 minor kids, 1 downs baby, 1 teen who is pregnant which is construed as poor parenting already by some - I would think their focus needs to be on their kids also - not running for the most demanding job ever.
Very well put!
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I feel a mother with a downs baby, 2 young kids, a pregnant teen and an 18yr old has no place focusing her attention not on her kids.
Women in the day didn't fight for equal rights so women could leave their kids and run around waving at crowds. Many qualified people for VP, those kids have one mom.
What will she do? Tell Putin to reschedule as Willow is getting tonsils out? Tell Merkel to call her back as the baby is crying? Tell Kevin Rudd to chang his plans, as it's a PTA meeting? Or will she brush the kids important stuff off? It will be one of the other - she will suck at one job.
If any man running had 4 minor kids, 1 downs baby, 1 teen who is pregnant which is construed as poor parenting already by some - I would think their focus needs to be on their kids also - not running for the most demanding job ever.
So you know their family strategy. Whether the husband will stay home or not, whether they will hire the right specialists that most can't get.
That answer is terrible and very sexist. I know you are women, but there are many answer to raising children.
So female Astronauts or Supreme court judges or female doctors should not work. Or maybe the family can plan around it.
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So you know their family strategy. Whether the husband will stay home or not, whether they will hire the right specialists that most can't get.
That answer is terrible and very sexist. I know you are women, but there are many answer to raising children.
So female Astronauts or Supreme court judges or female doctors should not work. Or maybe the family can plan around it.
To clarify further:
Nothing to do with her being a working mother, I was myself. It's a combo of all these things:
- VP is not a regular job, it's highly demanding
- Intense press scrutiny on the kids, already her kid feels that wrath. Doctors kids don't.
- 5 kids total
- Downs baby who requires extra care and stimulation
- Pregnant teenager who requires extra love and attention.
That is a whole different deck of cards. Has anyone ever ran for VP or Prez before with 5 kids, 4 minors, 1 downs baby and a pregnant teen?
And yes, there is an answer to raising kids - you put them first...
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Women in the day didn't fight for equal rights so women could leave their kids and run around waving at crowds. Many qualified people for VP, those kids have one mom.
So you think any women with children should be automatically disqualified from holding major political office?
If the Democrats even hint at this, it will have women people flocking to vote for Palin.
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So you know their family strategy. Whether the husband will stay home or not, whether they will hire the right specialists that most can't get.
That answer is terrible and very sexist. I know you are women, but there are many answer to raising children.
So female Astronauts or Supreme court judges or female doctors should not work. Or maybe the family can plan around it.
Calm down tiger. I have two daughter's myself and I am raising them to believe that they can do anything they set their minds to. But, the minute you bring a child into the world, that child becomes the #1 priority. All other aspirations become secondary for BOTH parents.
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So you think any women with children should be automatically disqualified from holding major political office?
If the Democrats even hint at this, it will have women people flocking to vote for Palin.
No, it should not disqualify someone. But, I do have to question someone who choses to put their career ambitions ahead of their kid's welfare.
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So you think any women with children should be automatically disqualified from holding major political office?
If the Democrats even hint at this, it will have women people flocking to vote for Palin.
See above, and no need to twist my words.
Again - parents who managed to end up with their teenager pregnant, have a grandchild on the way from a kid who is unable to even sustain herself, have a down syndrome baby, have an 8 yr old, have a 14 yr old - may want to consider putting their kids first as they made that decision to have them. That is my point.
And no, Dems dont need to hint at it. Check the polls, since he announced Palin as VP his numbers with women are dropping ;)
Are MS and I the only parents here who think kids come first? Does everyone else treat their kids as afterthoughts to their own desires?
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See above, and no need to twist my words.
I didn't think I did
Are MS and I the only parents here who think kids come first? Does everyone else treat their kids as afterthoughts to their own desires?
Of course kids come first. But your second sentence is based on your own assumptions and it just isn't the case. Women who have political careers aren't necesarily treating they're kids as "afterthoughts". That's just hyperbole.
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No, it should not disqualify someone. But, I do have to question someone who choses to put their career ambitions ahead of their kid's welfare.
I totally understand what you are saying, but implying that it's "one or the other" when it comes to politics and family is a generalization, a would technically disqualify any mother from holding office. There are sacrifices, yes, but it's not an all or nothing proposition. There can be balance.
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I didn't think I did
Sorry if I was snappy, to explain I am raising a kid as her biological mother dumped her off, so I am hyper sensitive about bad parenting. Excuse my meltdowns.
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Sorry if I was snappy, to explain I am raising a kid as her biological mother dumped her off, so I am hyper sensitive about bad parenting. Excuse my meltdowns.
No problems at all. I wish you good luck.
I get sensitive about it as well, since my wife and I both work full time, and often do struggle with home/work balance. It is hard, but can be done.
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No problems at all. I wish you good luck.
I get sensitive about it as well, since my wife and I both work full time, and often do struggle with home/work balance. It is hard, but can be done.
No, I am sure you are great. I did it as a single woman and hate to brag, she turned out great. Thing being, I doubt you have 5, special needs, and we know you aren't running for VP haha. You seem like a good guy, so I am sure you put yours first, which really is what we all need to do.
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She has a husband.
I would think that he could perform most of the work. Including kissing a bruised knee.
The job of raising a family is for her and her partner.
You assume her husband won't be involved.
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No problems at all. I wish you good luck.
I get sensitive about it as well, since my wife and I both work full time, and often do struggle with home/work balance. It is hard, but can be done.
Where are your kids while each of you is working?
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See above, and no need to twist my words.
Again - parents who managed to end up with their teenager pregnant, have a grandchild on the way from a kid who is unable to even sustain herself, have a down syndrome baby, have an 8 yr old, have a 14 yr old - may want to consider putting their kids first as they made that decision to have them. That is my point.
And no, Dems dont need to hint at it. Check the polls, since he announced Palin as VP his numbers with women are dropping ;)
Are MS and I the only parents here who think kids come first? Does everyone else treat their kids as afterthoughts to their own desires?
I am right there with CQ and MS. Parent's don't have the luxury of anything but children first, especially in The Palin family. These are huge issues,I'm sure there are thousands of families in a similar boat....Kids with special need, babies having babies, both parents working outside of the home.....
I always believe we as parents don't have the right to put anything above the family especially when there are issues at home.
And on a side note, notice how quickly being POTUS ages you.
Sandra
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I find it hilarious that some of the most liberal supporters are now for people staying at home to raise their kids.
No one talks about Michelle Obama working outside the home.
I guess that would make them unfit too.
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I find it hilarious that some of the most liberal supporters are now for people staying at home to raise their kids.
No one talks about Michelle Obama working outside the home.
I guess that would make them unfit too.
whether is Michelle, Palin or anyone else, Once you have kids, that's your #1 job.
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I find it hilarious that some of the most liberal supporters are now for people staying at home to raise their kids.
No one talks about Michelle Obama working outside the home.
I guess that would make them unfit too.
No comparison, and I am not for people staying home per se, I didn't.
I am not for older ladies choosing to have downs babies, then going back to work 72 hrs later, then running for VP and leaving baby when they are 4 months old :-\
I am not for mothers having a pregnant teen, and thrusting the poor girl into the media frenzy to recieve veiled attacks in front of millions, and then leave her to run around the states :-\
I am not for mothers of 5 - 2 with special needs - choosing to not put them first. Simple.
Within 10 minutes [literally] of her taking VP, she whipped the kids out, introduced them, said she was a hockey mom, talked about her mothering. Well, you want to run on that, it will be commented on. You want to preach abstinence while your kid is pregnant, that will be commented on.
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Cranking out 5 kids doesn't make one a 'mother'.
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No clue if it's real or not:
http://perezhilton.com/2008-09-02-what-did-her-mom-do-wrong
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Palin's first mag cover:
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No clue if it's real or not:
http://perezhilton.com/2008-09-02-what-did-her-mom-do-wrong
Ahhh, jeez I don't like that at all.
This is my point, why would any mother put her daughter through this? Why? Someone call my kid those names, I"ll go off and I mean that. Never hit a human in my life, but that would make me. No joke.
How could she do that to her daughter. Anyone with a brain would know nasty things would be said. Poor, poor girl.
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not only that, but was that pic taken when she was out of school for 5 months with 'mono'?
or, in the last 5 months.... :-X
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not only that, but was that pic taken when she was out of school for 5 months with 'mono'?
or, in the last 5 months.... :-X
;D
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Her daughter is 17. She made her choices. She is almost an adult and the child she will have will be hers not her moms to take of.
Her husband could easily help, but that doesn't satisfy you.
You want the election on family values fine.
Her daughter will have the baby, unlike many women who chose to abort.
This women are brave and they have a real strong father to help them.
Try building up instead of down for a change.
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You want the election on family values fine.
Actually, I think palin was the one who made the election about family values, isn't it?
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You want the election on family values fine.
Isn't that the repub thing? Don't they go on about family values?
They preach abstinence - while fielding a candidate who admits to extra marital affairs, a VP who had a shotgun wedding, now her teen is pregnant. Why do they not abstain - is it only for everyone else?
A cliche - "practice what you preach".
Pic that Bay posted earlier shows it better than words...
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Edit - I see you deleted the post and I only quoted a bit. Oh well.
She is anti-abortion as has been proved by her daughter and herself.
Some would think that is the ultimate family value.
LOL. Getting pregnant as a single high school teenager by another teenager who doesn't want kids and is a "f-ing redneck who will beat people up" is the ultimate family value?
We all have differences of opinions, I would say waiting till you can offer your child the best in life, and are ready to be a parent is the "ultimate family value". Like so many other parents have done.
If you are reffering to me working, had no choice - plus my kid isn't pregnant.
I didn't get myself pregnant, but stepped up and did my best due to bio parents death/other a mess. Amazing you get snide on me for that, but praise a teen for getting knocked up. LOL.
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Edit - I see you deleted the post and I only quoted a bit. Oh well.
LOL. Getting pregnant as a single high school teenager by another teenager who doesn't want kids and is a "f-ing redneck who will beat people up" is the ultimate family value?
We all have differences of opinions, I would say waiting till you can offer your child the best in life, and are ready to be a parent is the "ultimate family value". Like so many other parents have done.
If you are reffering to me working, had no choice - plus my kid isn't pregnant.
I didn't get myself pregnant, but stepped up and did my best due to bio parents death/other a mess. Amazing you get snide on me for that, but praise a teen for getting knocked up. LOL.
I realized how insensitive my post was so I deleted it, my post came off wrong.
Everyone has a choice. You made yours and I am sure you did a fine job.
You are the one saying she should stay home and sacrifice her life, without asking her family or her husband on the ways they are raising their children. You made a tough choice and I am sure hers was tough too, but she has loving and supportive husband with her, which makes raising kids exponentially easier.
I don't feel a teenager getting pregnant is worth praise, having unprotected sex was her decision as was keeping the baby, but it isn't for her mother to take care of, it is hers.
If her boyfriend who seems like a loser leaves her then it will doubly difficult on her daughter, but having unprotected sex was her decision and not her mothers and her mother shouldn't be accountable for that. Just like my mother shouldn't be accountable for the things I do. Carville was right on this.
Hate her policies and debate that, but give it rest about how her and her husband are raising her kids.
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I realized how insensitive my post was so I deleted it, my post came off wrong.
Everyone has a choice. You made yours and I am sure you did a fine job.
You are the one saying she should stay home and sacrifice her life, without asking her family or her husband on the ways they are raising their children. You made a tough choice and I am sure hers was tough too, but she has loving and supportive husband with her, which makes raising kids exponentially easier.
I don't feel a teenager getting pregnant is worth praise, having unprotected sex was her decision as was keeping the baby, but it isn't for her mother to take care of, it is hers.
If her boyfriend who seems like a loser leaves her then it will doubly difficult on her daughter, but having unprotected sex was her decision and not her mothers and her mother shouldn't be accountable for that. Just like my mother shouldn't be accountable for the things I do. Carville was right on this.
Hate her policies and debate that, but give it rest about how her and her husband are raising her kids.
No problem on the insensitive thing, thank you for the sentiments ;)
Good post and I think you are reading me wrong. Go back, I never ever say she should stay home. I am sure we agree "working" and being the VP candidate are two separate issues. If she was working - her kid would not be getting dragged through the mud. Can you name any other job in the USA - where all *mainstream news worldwide* would carry news of your daughters pregnancy? There is none.
She isn't "working" she is gunning for one of the most high profiles, smearing, demanding, non private positions in the world. That is my thing.
In the end, I am nothing, I an not slamming the girl - but many are. She's catching heat on the TV news and being called nasty names on hundreds of websites. She is the most famous teen mom worldwide now I would guess. Her mom knew this would happen - *that* plus the handful with all kids is my issue.
And it's only her positions that make me feel this is an issue, and it is policy thing actually. She wants to poke into others uterus, tell other moms how to handle those matters, while her kid is knocked up. That simply doesn't work.
Thanks for the nice convo ;)
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How is it possible to be a mother that is involved in her kids lives, while working full time ??? I understand that some people have no choice and need dual incomes to get by. But, if you don't need the dual income, why would a mother of little kids choose to work full time!? It seems like a very selfish thing to do :-\
The husband is a stay at home Dad.
The kids are taken care off.