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Her speech was a little long, but I think it's safe to say that Gov. Palin may have single-handedly deflated the Obama Express in one speech
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she was ok for a newb. she stumbled a bit.
guliani was the highlight IMO
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she was ok for a newb. she stumbled a bit.
guliani was the highlight IMO
Palin looks better in a dress than Rudi does. ;D
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she was ok for a newb. she stumbled a bit.
guliani was the highlight IMO
Guliani was a hit too. This was a good night for the Republican party and conservatives.
I see her speech tonight as the equivalent to Obama's speech at the 2004 election's DNC Convention.
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Her speech was a little long, but I think it's safe to say that Gov. Palin may have single-handedly deflated the Obama Express in one speech
I was working and missed it. I heard her and Guliani made Obama and company look silly.
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Palin looks better in a dress than Rudi does. ;D
rhetorical?
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I was working and missed it. I heard her and Guliani made Obama and company look silly.
Coach, you gotta stay up and watch the re-run of it later tonight. You'll pay for it in the morning, but it will be well worth it.
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Her speech was a little long, but I think it's safe to say that Gov. Palin may have single-handedly deflated the Obama Express in one speech
I agree. Very well done. I like this woman.
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Homerun!
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I agree. Very well done. I like this woman.
She really impressed me tonight. She's tough! Even Howard Wolfson (Sen. Clinton's campaign guy) just admitted that Sen. Biden is going to have to bring his "A" game to the VP debates.
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what was impressive?
that speech was so bloody fabricated its not even funny. if anything she delivered it well but she didn't write it. She's a puppet
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The Bush administration played a gigantic hand in putting our Country in this shape.
You people must still support his administration to even consider voting McCain?
Amazing haha ;D
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what was impressive?
that speech was so bloody fabricated its not even funny. if anything she delivered it well but she didn't write it. She's a puppet
LOL IRONY AT ITS BEST A OBAMA SUPPORTER COMPLAINING ABOUT WELL DELIVERED SPEECHES THAT HAVE BEEN FABRICATED...IVE SEEN IT ALL NOW THANK YOU
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LOL IRONY AT ITS BEST A OBAMA SUPPORTER COMPLAINING ABOUT WELL DELIVERED SPEECHES THAT HAVE BEEN FABRICATED...IVE SEEN IT ALL NOW THANK YOU
hahaha ;D
you called me an Obama supporter. I'm fairly even on both I would say.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Shows what kind of Trash this new Breed of "Republicans" really are.
Can you imagine Ronald Regan selecting a knit whit like Palin to be his VP?
Amazing
She's a super sexy milf, that's about it.
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She really impressed me tonight. She's tough! Even Howard Wolfson (Sen. Clinton's campaign guy) just admitted that Sen. Biden is going to have to bring his "A" game to the VP debates.
He better bring his A game, work on his tan, etc. :) She was funny, smart, tough. I see why she is so popular with governors around the country.
Good to see Governor Lingle take center stage too. :)
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hahaha ;D
you called me an Obama supporter. I'm fairly even on both I would say.
LOL the irony still stands
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what was impressive?
that speech was so bloody fabricated its not even funny. if anything she delivered it well but she didn't write it. She's a puppet
If she's a puppet, then I guess you'd have to admit that Obama is a puppet to Planned Parenthood. They have him in their back pocket.
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LOL the irony still stands
fully aware of what obama is about. But come on. Repubs are supposed to be the realists. Right? Give me a break. These two parties are full of shit. The thing against the repubs is the last 8 years in office. How has that gone so far?
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If she's a puppet, then I guess you'd have to admit that Obama is a puppet to Planned Parenthood. They have him in their back pocket.
Why's a brother gotta be in the back pocket?
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Gov. Palin could fill a 75,000 seat stadium after her speech tonight. And I love how the pundits are already crying foul because "she didn't write the speech. Guess what? None of the politicians write their own speeches. You think John McCain writes his own speeches? Even if he did, the delivery is not exactly the best. This is a week argument. She hit a home run tonight and the pundits for Obama just need to admit it.
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Why's a brother gotta be in the back pocket?
LOL!!!!!
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Giuliani owning Obama nonstop for 10 mins straight.
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fully aware of what obama is about. But come on. Repubs are supposed to be the realists. Right? Give me a break. These two parties are full of shit. The thing against the repubs is the last 8 years in office. How has that gone so far?
What? No you missed the point, Obama does not write his speeches.
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It's one fucking speech. Gimme a break! She's a woman.....of course she's going to be a good talker. Talk is cheap. Like someone said. She's a puppet. America had its chance to change course with Ron Paul and everyone laughed at him and called him a kook. Whether Obama or McCain wins nothing will change in America and things will only get worse.
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It's one fucking speech. Gimme a break! She's a woman.....of course she's going to be a good talker. Talk is cheap. Like someone said. She's a puppet. America had its chance to change course with Ron Paul and everyone laughed at him and called him a kook. Whether Obama or McCain wins nothing will change in America and things will only get worse.
Amen to that !!
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Gov. Palin: Mr. Chairman, delegates, and fellow citizens, I will be honored to accept your nomination for vice president of the United States.
I accept the call to help our nominee for president to serve and defend America. And I accept the challenge of a tough fight in this election against confident opponents at a crucial hour for our country.
And I accept the privilege of serving with a man who has come through much harder missions, and met far graver challenges, and knows how tough fights are won, the next president of the United States, John S. McCain. Watch Palin accept the nomination »
It was just a year ago when all the experts in Washington counted out our nominee because he refused to hedge his commitment to the security of the country he loves.
With their usual certitude, they told us that all was lost, there was no hope for this candidate, who said that he would rather lose an election than see his country lose a war. But the pollsters...
The pollsters and the pundits, they overlooked just one thing when they wrote him off. They overlooked the caliber of the man himself, the determination, and resolve, and the sheer guts of Senator John McCain.
The voters knew better, and maybe that's because they realized there's a time for politics and a time for leadership, a time to campaign and a time to put our country first. iReport.com: What do you think of Palin's speech?
Our nominee for president is a true profile in courage, and people like that are hard to come by. He's a man who wore the uniform of his country for 22 years and refused to break faith with those troops in Iraq who now have brought victory within sight.
And as the mother of one of those troops, that is exactly the kind of man I want as commander-in-chief.
I'm just one of many moms who will say an extra prayer each night for our sons and daughters going into harm's way. Our son, Track, is 19. And one week from tomorrow, September 11, he'll deploy to Iraq with the Army infantry in the service of his country.
My nephew, Casey, also enlisted and serves on a carrier in the Persian Gulf.
My family is so proud of both of them and of all the fine men and women serving the country in uniform.
So Track is the eldest of our five children. In our family, it's two boys and three girls in between, my strong and kind- hearted daughters, Bristol, and Willow, and Piper.
And we were so blessed in April. Todd and I welcomed our littlest one into the world, a perfectly beautiful baby boy named Trig.
You know, from the inside, no family ever seems typical, and that's how it is with us. Our family has the same ups and downs as any other, the same challenges and the same joys.
Sometimes even the greatest joys bring challenge. And children with special needs inspire a very, very special love. To the families of special-needs...
To the families of special-needs children all across this country, I have a message for you: For years, you've sought to make America a more welcoming place for your sons and daughters. And I pledge to you that, if we're elected, you will have a friend and advocate in the White House.
And Todd is a story all by himself. He's a lifelong commercial fisherman and a production operator in the oil fields of Alaska's North Slope, and a proud member of the United Steelworkers union. And Todd is a world champion snow machine racer.
Throw in his Yup'ik Eskimo ancestry, and it all makes for quite a package. And we met in high school. And two decades and five children later, he's still my guy.
My mom and dad both worked at the elementary school in our small town. And among the many things I owe them is a simple lesson that I've learned, that this is America, and every woman can walk through every door of opportunity.
And my parents are here tonight.
I am so proud to be the daughter of Chuck and Sally Heath.
Long ago, a young farmer and a haberdasher from Missouri, he followed an unlikely path -- he followed an unlikely path to the vice presidency. And a writer observed, "We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty and sincerity and dignity," and I know just the kind of people that writer had in mind when he praised Harry Truman.
I grew up with those people. They're the ones who do some of the hardest work in America, who grow our food, and run our factories, and fight our wars. They love their country in good times and bad, and they're always proud of America.
I had the privilege of living most of my life in a small town. I was just your average hockey mom and signed up for the PTA.
I love those hockey moms. You know, they say the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick.
So I signed up for the PTA because I wanted to make my kids' public education even better. And when I ran for city council, I didn't need focus groups and voter profiles because I knew those voters, and I knew their families, too.
Before I became governor of the great state of Alaska I was mayor of my hometown. And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involved.
I guess -- I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a community organizer, except that you have actual responsibilities.
I might add that, in small towns, we don't quite know what to make of a candidate who lavishes praise on working people when they're listening and then talks about how bitterly they cling to their religion and guns when those people aren't listening.
No, we tend to prefer candidates who don't talk about us one way in Scranton and another way in San Francisco.
As for my running mate, you can be certain that wherever he goes and whoever is listening John McCain is the same man.
Well, I'm not a member of the permanent political establishment. And I've learned quickly these last few days that, if you're not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone.
But -- now, here's a little newsflash. Here's a little newsflash for those reporters and commentators: I'm not going to Washington to seek their good opinion. I'm going to Washington to serve the people of this great country.
Americans expect us to go to Washington for the right reason and not just to mingle with the right people. Politics isn't just a game of clashing parties and competing interests. The right reason is to challenge the status quo, to serve the common good, and to leave this nation better than we found it.
No one expects us all to agree on everything, but we are expected to govern with integrity, and goodwill, and clear convictions, and a servant's heart.
And I pledge to all Americans that I will carry myself in this spirit as vice president of the United States.
This was the spirit that brought me to the governor's office when I took on the old politics as usual in Juneau, when I stood up to the special interests, and the lobbyists, and the Big Oil companies, and the good-old boys.
Suddenly, I realized that sudden and relentless reform never sits well with entrenched interests and power-brokers. That's why true reform is so hard to achieve.
But with the support of the citizens of Alaska, we shook things up. And in short order, we put the government of our state back on the side of the people.
I came to office promising major ethics reform to end the culture of self-dealing. And today, that ethics reform is a law.
While I was at it, I got rid of a few things in the governor's office that I didn't believe our citizens should have to pay for. That luxury jet was over-the-top.
I put it on eBay.
I love to drive myself to work. And I thought we could muddle through without the governor's personal chef, although I got to admit that sometimes my kids sure miss her.
I came to office promising to control spending, by request if possible, but by veto, if necessary.
Senator McCain also -- he promises to use the power of veto in defense of the public interest. And as a chief executive, I can assure you it works.
Our state budget is under control. We have a surplus. And I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending, nearly $500 million in vetoes.
We suspended the state fuel tax and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress, "Thanks, but no thanks," on that Bridge to Nowhere.
If our state wanted to build a bridge, we were going to build it ourselves.
When oil and gas prices went up dramatically and filled up the state treasury, I sent a large share of that revenue back where it belonged: directly to the people of Alaska.
And despite fierce opposition from oil company lobbyists, who kind of liked things the way that they were, we broke their monopoly on power and resources. As governor, I insisted on competition and basic fairness to end their control of our state and return it to the people.
I fought to bring about the largest private-sector infrastructure project in North American history. And when that deal was struck, we began a nearly $40 billion natural gas pipeline to help lead America to energy independence.
That pipeline, when the last section is laid and its valves are open, will lead America one step farther away from dependence on dangerous foreign powers that do not have our interests at heart.
The stakes for our nation could not be higher. When a hurricane strikes in the Gulf of Mexico, this country should not be so dependent on imported oil that we're forced to draw from our Strategic Petroleum Reserve. And families cannot throw more and more of their paychecks on gas and heating oil.
With Russia wanting to control a vital pipeline in the Caucasus and to divide and intimidate our European allies by using energy as a weapon, we cannot leave ourselves at the mercy of foreign suppliers.
To confront the threat that Iran might seek to cut off nearly a fifth of the world's energy supplies, or that terrorists might strike again at the Abqaiq facility in Saudi Arabia, or that Venezuela might shut off its oil discoveries and its deliveries of that source, Americans, we need to produce more of our own oil and gas. And...
And take it from a gal who knows the North Slope of Alaska: We've got lots of both.
Our opponents say again and again that drilling will not solve all of America's energy problems, as if we didn't know that already.
But the fact that drilling, though, won't solve every problem is no excuse to do nothing at all.
Starting in January, in a McCain-Palin administration, we're going to lay more pipelines, and build more nuclear plants, and create jobs with clean coal, and move forward on solar, wind, geothermal, and other alternative sources. We need...
We need American sources of resources. We need American energy brought to you by American ingenuity and produced by American workers.
And now, I've noticed a pattern with our opponent, and maybe you have, too. We've all heard his dramatic speeches before devoted followers, and there is much to like and admire about our opponent.
But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or even a reform, not even in the State Senate.
This is a man who can give an entire speech about the wars America is fighting and never use the word "victory," except when he's talking about his own campaign.
But when the cloud of rhetoric has passed, when the roar of the crowd fades away, when the stadium lights go out, and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot...
When that happens, what exactly is our opponent's plan? What does he actually seek to accomplish after he's done turning back the waters and healing the planet?
The answer -- the answer is to make government bigger, and take more of your money, and give you more orders from Washington, and to reduce the strength of America in a dangerous world.
America needs more energy; our opponent is against producing it. Victory in Iraq is finally in sight, and he wants to forfeit. Terrorist states are seeking nuclear weapons without delay; he wants to meet them without preconditions.
Al Qaida terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America, and he's worried that someone won't read them their rights.
Government is too big; he wants to grow it. Congress spends too much money; he promises more. Taxes are too high, and he wants to raise them. His tax increases are the fine print in his economic plan.
And let me be specific: The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, and raise payroll taxes, and raise investment income taxes, and raise the death tax, and raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars.
My sister, Heather, and her husband, they just built a service station that's now open for business, like millions of others who run small businesses. How are they...
How are they going to be better off if taxes go up? Or maybe you are trying to keep your job at a plant in Michigan or in Ohio...
Or you're trying -- you're trying to create jobs from clean coal, from Pennsylvania or West Virginia.
You're trying to keep a small farm in the family right here in Minnesota.
How are you -- how are you going to be better off if our opponent adds a massive tax burden to the American economy?
Here's how I look at the choice Americans face in this election: In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers, and then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change.
They are the ones whose names appear on laws and landmark reforms, not just on buttons and banners or on self-designed presidential seals.
Among politicians, there is the idealism of high-flown speech- making, in which crowds are stirringly summoned to support great things, and then there is the idealism of those leaders, like John McCain, who actually do great things.
They're the ones who are good for more than talk, the ones that we've always been able to count on to serve and to defend America.
Senator McCain's record of actual achievements and reform helps explain why so many special interests, and lobbyists, and comfortable committee chairmen in Congress have fought the prospect of a McCain presidency from the primary election of 2000 to this very day.
Our nominee doesn't run with the Washington herd. He's a man who's there to serve his country and not just his party, a leader who's not looking for a fight, but sure isn't afraid of one, either.
Harry Reid, the majority of the current do-nothing Senate ... he not long ago summed up his feelings about our nominee. He said, quote, "I can't stand John McCain."
Ladies and gentlemen, perhaps no accolade we hear this week is better proof that we've chosen the right man.
Clearly, what the majority leader was driving at is that he can't stand up to John McCain and that is only...
... that's only one more reason to take the maverick out of the Senate, put him in the White House.
My fellow citizens, the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery.
This world of threats and dangers, it's not just a community and it doesn't just need an organizer. And though both Senator Obama and Senator Biden have been going on lately about how they're always, quote, "fighting for you," let us face the matter squarely: There is only one man in this election who has ever really fought for you.
There is only one man in this election who has ever really fought for you in places where winning means survival and defeat means death. And that man is John McCain.
You know, in our day, politicians have readily shared much lesser tales of adversity than the nightmare world, the nightmare world in which this man and others equally brave served and suffered for their country.
And it's a long way from the fear, and pain, and squalor of a six-by-four cell in Hanoi to the Oval Office.
But if Senator McCain is elected president, that is the journey he will have made. It's the journey of an upright and honorable man, the kind of fellow whose name you will find on war memorials in small towns across this great country, only he was among those who came home.
To the most powerful office on Earth, he would bring the compassion that comes from having once been powerless, the wisdom that comes even to the captives by the grace of God, the special confidence of those who have seen evil and have seen how evil is overcome. A fellow...
A fellow prisoner of war, a man named Tom Moe of Lancaster, Ohio...
... Tom Moe recalls looking through a pinhole in his cell door as Lieutenant Commander John McCain was led down the hallway by the guards, day after day.
And the story is told, when McCain shuffled back from torturous interrogations, he would turn towards Moe's door, and he'd flash a grin and a thumbs up, as if to say, "We're going to pull through this."
My fellow Americans, that is the kind of man America needs to see us through the next four years.
For a season, a gifted speaker can inspire with his words. But for a lifetime, John McCain has inspired with his deeds.
If character is the measure in this election, and hope the theme, and change the goal we share, then I ask you to join our cause. Join our cause and help America elect a great man as the next president of the United States.
Thank you, and God bless America. Thank you.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/03/palin.transcript/index.html
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I really like her. Easy on the eyes, great positions on a lot of things.
She's qualified to be governor.
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She gets an A+. McCain would be wise to put her out front on the campaign trail. I was never excited about the McCain ticket...Until now. She is a winner.
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Wonderful job. She's got the base fired up. These attacks on her are gonna blow up in the press' face. This campaign has taken a dramatic turn for the better.
That said...Rudy's speech KILLED. Had us rolling with the digs on the golden boy.
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She Shoots, She Scores
Is there still an enthusiasm gap?
September 4, 2008 7:52 a.m.
John Fund (www.opinionjournal.com)
St. Paul
Twenty years after Ronald Reagan left office, Republicans who have long missed him may have found a future Margaret Thatcher. If John McCain wins, conservatives may find one of the most enduring accomplishments of his term will have been what he did before it started: helping to fill the Republican Party's future talent bench with such a fresh and compelling figure.
Sarah Palin is a conviction politician, a naturally compelling speaker and someone who can relate to her audience on very human terms. America has just learned why Mrs. Palin enjoys the highest approval ratings of any governor in America.
Liberal commentators glumly noted the thunderous applause in the convention hall last night. But they could do precious little to attack. Even Keith Olbermann, MSNBC's official attack dog, could muster only this as commentary on Mrs. Palin's performance: "People who like this sort of thing will find this ... the sort of thing they like."
Mrs. Palin accomplished several things last night. First, she introduced herself and her story to the American people in a compelling and warm manner, complete with effective pictures of her proud family. Secondly, she praised John McCain's leadership, service to country and independence in a way that made him come alive. Thirdly, she effectively deflected the media and liberal criticism of her by saying they really represented an attack on the small-town and suburban values she grew up with. Lastly, she skewered Barack Obama with gusto but without meanness. Her line about her job as a small-town mayor being "sort of like a 'community organizer,' except that you have actual responsibilities" brought the hall to its feet in a frenzy.
Some hard-bitten political observers I know were uncharacteristically impressed with the Palin speech. Hal Stratton, a former Attorney General of New Mexico, wrote to me as follows: "That's what we out west call openin' a whole can of whip a— on your opponents."
Other observers were more restrained, but still impressed. "She passed her first major test, and if the reaction of the crowd in the hall is any indication, with flying colors," says Peter Brown, the deputy director of the Quinnipiac Poll. "So much for the comparisons with Dan Quayle, who couldn't have given that speech if his life depended on it. Obviously, Sarah Palin probably went down better in Warren, Michigan than she did in Washington, D.C. -- but that was the whole point of her speech and her candidacy." Indeed, while Mrs. Palin certainly won't swing any deeply blue states in John McCain's direction, she may have an impact in swaying independent voters as well as boosting GOP turnout in swing states such as Colorado, Nevada and Michigan.
One of the standard operating theories this Election Year is that Barack Obama and the Democrats are much more energized, excited and willing to work hard for victory in November.
After Sarah Palin's remarkably effective speech, I don't think any pundits or politicians will be able to count on a decisive Democratic enthusiasm edge. Sarah Palin electrified the hall, and from what I can tell from my e-mail inbox that excitement is being replicated in living rooms across the country.
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Amen to that !!
I'm so glad to see that thinking people on this board realize that there is little difference about who gets into office.
Sandra
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I actually think Palin seemed like a shining star last night.
McCain looked like the crypt keeper next to her.
Sandra
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I listened to Palins speech (and as much as I could stand of Rudy) and all I heard where personal attacks and flat out lies. Palin is classic neo-con. She used her position as mayor to abuse her power, pursue personal vendetta's, pursue federal funded pork, and when she was done the tiny little town was 20 million dollars in debt.
Why don't the Republicans talk about how they are goig to fix the problems that were created by their own party rather than lying about their record and shitting on their opponents?
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Thanks for posting the speech BB.
It's a primitively mediocre speech. No real rhetorical flair. A mixture of sophomoric spin and platitudes...and some wonderful lies peppered through. Her and that bridge to nowhere again. She can't stop lying about her role with the bridge to nowhere. Small ideas from a morally bankrupt party.
Now here's how an acceptance speech should read:
Even worse, the evil and mistaken assumption that we have no connection to those generations preceding us or those who will follow us, has lead to the crisis of values we face today. Those are the connections that are missing from our politics today. Those are the bridges we must rebuild if we are to rebuild our country. And those are the values we must honor if we are to recapture the faith in the future that has always been the heart of the American dream.
We have another challenge as well. In the wake of the Cold War, with the reemergence of ancient ethnic and racial hatreds throughout the world, the United States must once again prove that there is a better way. Just as we accept it as a people, on behalf of all human kind, the historic mission of proving that political freedom is the best form of government and that economic freedom is the best engine of prosperity, we must now accept the obligation of proving that freedom from prejudice is the heart and soul of community - - that yes, we can get along.
http://www.al-gore-2004.org/gorespeeches/1992convention.htm
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Oh god, decker crawl back into your cave you douchebag.
Anyway, her speech was well done,nothing out of this world, but to tell you the truth I felt Rudy outshone her. He completely destroyed Obama and the democratic party with ease. It was really a sight to behold. I think the republicans had two HUGE advantages- GWB wasn't around and they got to have their convention second. I think in the end both of these occurances will prove very valuable on election day.
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Oh god, decker crawl back into your cave you douchebag.
Anyway, her speech was well done,nothing out of this world, but to tell you the truth I felt Rudy outshone her. He completely destroyed Obama and the democratic party with ease. It was really a sight to behold. I think the republicans had two HUGE advantages- GWB wasn't around and they got to have their convention second. I think in the end both of these occurances will prove very valuable on election day.
Typical shit-for-brains weak response from Eldon.
You're a pussy.
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She Shoots, She Scores
Is there still an enthusiasm gap?
September 4, 2008 7:52 a.m.
John Fund (www.opinionjournal.com)
St. Paul
Twenty years after Ronald Reagan left office, Republicans who have long missed him may have found a future Margaret Thatcher. If John McCain wins, conservatives may find one of the most enduring accomplishments of his term will have been what he did before it started: helping to fill the Republican Party's future talent bench with such a fresh and compelling figure.
Sarah Palin is a conviction politician, a naturally compelling speaker and someone who can relate to her audience on very human terms. America has just learned why Mrs. Palin enjoys the highest approval ratings of any governor in America.
Liberal commentators glumly noted the thunderous applause in the convention hall last night. But they could do precious little to attack. Even Keith Olbermann, MSNBC's official attack dog, could muster only this as commentary on Mrs. Palin's performance: "People who like this sort of thing will find this ... the sort of thing they like."
Mrs. Palin accomplished several things last night. First, she introduced herself and her story to the American people in a compelling and warm manner, complete with effective pictures of her proud family. Secondly, she praised John McCain's leadership, service to country and independence in a way that made him come alive. Thirdly, she effectively deflected the media and liberal criticism of her by saying they really represented an attack on the small-town and suburban values she grew up with. Lastly, she skewered Barack Obama with gusto but without meanness. Her line about her job as a small-town mayor being "sort of like a 'community organizer,' except that you have actual responsibilities" brought the hall to its feet in a frenzy.
Some hard-bitten political observers I know were uncharacteristically impressed with the Palin speech. Hal Stratton, a former Attorney General of New Mexico, wrote to me as follows: "That's what we out west call openin' a whole can of whip a— on your opponents."
Other observers were more restrained, but still impressed. "She passed her first major test, and if the reaction of the crowd in the hall is any indication, with flying colors," says Peter Brown, the deputy director of the Quinnipiac Poll. "So much for the comparisons with Dan Quayle, who couldn't have given that speech if his life depended on it. Obviously, Sarah Palin probably went down better in Warren, Michigan than she did in Washington, D.C. -- but that was the whole point of her speech and her candidacy." Indeed, while Mrs. Palin certainly won't swing any deeply blue states in John McCain's direction, she may have an impact in swaying independent voters as well as boosting GOP turnout in swing states such as Colorado, Nevada and Michigan.
One of the standard operating theories this Election Year is that Barack Obama and the Democrats are much more energized, excited and willing to work hard for victory in November.
After Sarah Palin's remarkably effective speech, I don't think any pundits or politicians will be able to count on a decisive Democratic enthusiasm edge. Sarah Palin electrified the hall, and from what I can tell from my e-mail inbox that excitement is being replicated in living rooms across the country.
It appears that moose isn’t the only thing Gov. Palin knows how to field-dress.
I didn’t think she’d take any shots at Obama, considering Huckabee, Romney, and especially Guliani went medieval on him BIG TIME.
Perhaps, a campaign slogan should be "Obama/Biden: The other white meat!"
And, I think Obama just got a new nickname, "ZERO".
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Thanks for posting the speech BB.
It's a primitively mediocre speech. No real rhetorical flair. A mixture of sophomoric spin and platitudes...and some wonderful lies peppered through. Her and that bridge to nowhere again. She can't stop lying about her role with the bridge to nowhere. Small ideas from a morally bankrupt party.
Now here's how an acceptance speech should read:
Even worse, the evil and mistaken assumption that we have no connection to those generations preceding us or those who will follow us, has lead to the crisis of values we face today. Those are the connections that are missing from our politics today. Those are the bridges we must rebuild if we are to rebuild our country. And those are the values we must honor if we are to recapture the faith in the future that has always been the heart of the American dream.
We have another challenge as well. In the wake of the Cold War, with the reemergence of ancient ethnic and racial hatreds throughout the world, the United States must once again prove that there is a better way. Just as we accept it as a people, on behalf of all human kind, the historic mission of proving that political freedom is the best form of government and that economic freedom is the best engine of prosperity, we must now accept the obligation of proving that freedom from prejudice is the heart and soul of community - - that yes, we can get along.
http://www.al-gore-2004.org/gorespeeches/1992convention.htm
omg. lol. how much did you get picked on as a kid?
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It appears that moose isn’t the only thing Gov. Palin knows how to field-dress.
I didn’t think she’d take any shots at Obama, considering Huckabee, Romney, and especially Guliani went medieval on him BIG TIME.
Perhaps, a campaign slogan should be "Obama/Biden: The other white meat!"
And, I think Obama just got a new nickname, "ZERO".
exactly - how about addressing the countries problems rather than just engaging in grade school level attacks at your opponents.
I might take them seriously if they told me what they were going to do to fix the problems we are all facing.
Then again, I guess it doesn't take that long to say "more of the same to follow" and "we have no new ideas".
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omg. lol. how much did you get picked on as a kid?
I hope you're not implying, with your ham-handed remark, that Sarah is a better VP candidate than Gore was.
That's just foolish.
The speech excerpt by Gore dwarfs any of the sour grapes spewed by Sarah.
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what was impressive?
that speech was so bloody fabricated its not even funny. if anything she delivered it well but she didn't write it. She's a puppet
Are you saying Obama isn't? She compared her accomplishments to his and it was night and day. Guliani's "Job application" comparison, IMO, was a brilliant analogy. What was fabricated??
I especially LOVED when she put the media in it's place.
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haha give me a break, all she and guiliani did was hurl personal attack after personal attack at obama.
they never said a damn thing about what they are going to do, or how they are are going to be any different from the last 8 terrible years.
the 'Republican National Convention' should change its name to the 'Smear Barack Obama Convention', haha dont look to us for anything actually relevent to americans, we are just going to stand up here and make fun of obama the whole time. oh brother
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Whether Obama or McCain wins nothing will change in America and things will only get worse.
I've always been optimistic and will always be that way,,,but I agree 100% here.
I do understand things have to follow course (sp) before change can take place, but I find it very insulting both of these parties seem to be force feeding "change" and "difference"...etc on the surface to get votes and the reality is all we'll hear is excuses and how they underestimated how "change" will take decades etc when they get their win.
So what is the answer? I'm not a political guy at all and don't follow this sh*t enough to understand wtf is bad or good. I just go by feel to be honest and all these guys and gals seem like skumbags to me.
Fk it.....I'm running in the next election b/c apparently anybody can run this mofo now. I served...so there u go. I worked in the community also when I was a teen.LOL I can speak "well" I'm handsome. I once shook a mayors hand and met GWB jr. in 1999 , so do I qualifiy? ;D ;D ;D
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exactly - how about addressing the countries problems rather than just engaging in grade school level attacks at your opponents.
I might take them seriously if they told me what they were going to do to fix the problems we are all facing.
Then again, I guess it doesn't take that long to say "more of the same to follow" and "we have no new ideas".
It doesn’t take that long for Obama to say “tax and spend” either. But that doesn't stop him from giving a long, but elegant and fantastic, speech.
"Tax and spend, hike up taxes (but only for the rich, of course),....." Sounds awfully similar to what Kerry was spouting four years ago.
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It doesn’t take that long for Obama to say “tax and spend” either. But that doesn't stop him from giving a long, but elegant and fantastic, speech.
"Tax and spend, hike up taxes (but only for the rich, of course),....." Sounds awfully similar to what Kerry was spouting four years ago.
It's either tax and spend or borrow and spend. Borrow and spend costs more b/c the debt accrues interest which must also be repaid. The Chinese are communists only to a certain extent.
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Thanks for posting the speech BB.
It's a primitively mediocre speech. No real rhetorical flair. A mixture of sophomoric spin and platitudes...and some wonderful lies peppered through. Her and that bridge to nowhere again. She can't stop lying about her role with the bridge to nowhere. Small ideas from a morally bankrupt party.
Now here's how an acceptance speech should read:
Even worse, the evil and mistaken assumption that we have no connection to those generations preceding us or those who will follow us, has lead to the crisis of values we face today. Those are the connections that are missing from our politics today. Those are the bridges we must rebuild if we are to rebuild our country. And those are the values we must honor if we are to recapture the faith in the future that has always been the heart of the American dream.
We have another challenge as well. In the wake of the Cold War, with the reemergence of ancient ethnic and racial hatreds throughout the world, the United States must once again prove that there is a better way. Just as we accept it as a people, on behalf of all human kind, the historic mission of proving that political freedom is the best form of government and that economic freedom is the best engine of prosperity, we must now accept the obligation of proving that freedom from prejudice is the heart and soul of community - - that yes, we can get along.
http://www.al-gore-2004.org/gorespeeches/1992convention.htm
No problem. :)
Gore? lol. I forgot you still haven't accepted the fact that Gore lost. lol. Dude . . . You're going to be a toothless 97 year-old-grouch in a rest home still complaining about Gore v. Bush. :)
Give me the wife, mother, athlete, hunter, fisherman, former PTA member, city council member, mayor, and governor over the loser (Gore) and community organizer.
I loved how she mentioned that Obama has authored two memoirs, but not a single substantive law during his legislative stint.
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No problem. :)
Gore? lol. I forgot you still haven't accepted the fact that Gore lost. lol. Dude . . . You're going to be a toothless 97 year-old-grouch in a rest home still complaining about Gore v. Bush. :)
Give me the wife, mother, athlete, hunter, fisherman, former PTA member, city council member, mayor, and governor over the loser (Gore) and community organizer.
I loved how she mentioned that Obama has authored two memoirs, but not a single substantive law during his legislative stint.
Palin's speech was not conciliatory or positive...it was cheap shots and bad jokes.
I think it would be interesting if the democrats treated war hero McCain the same way the republicans treated the war hero Kerry. The republican cattle wore bandages with little purple hearts to mock the man.
Here is the republican platform in a few words: The same illegal shit Bush has been doing and mockery of anything else--thinking is dead.
It is extremely embarrassing to be a republican at the moment.
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Palin's speech was not conciliatory or positive...it was cheap shots and bad jokes.
I think it would be interesting if the democrats treated war hero McCain the same way the republicans treated the war hero Kerry. The republican cattle wore bandages with little purple hearts to mock the man.
Here is the republican platform in a few words: The same illegal shit Bush has been doing and mockery of anything else--thinking is dead.
It is extremely embarrassing to be a republican at the moment.
I loved Palin's speech. One of my kids agrees with you though.
Kerry a war hero? lol . . . . I don't think so. http://www.stolenhonor.com/ Kerry doesn't deserve to be in the same room with McCain when it comes to military service. If I wasn't such a nice I guy I would punch Kerry in the mouth for what he did to our men in combat, including our POWs.
Democrat platform in a few words: redistribution of wealth, socialism, moral relativism or skepticism, and nothing new as Obama admitted. The Democrat party is pretty much dead (from an intellectual standpoint). Says a lot about the condition of the party when someone like Obama is now the leader.
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I loved Palin's speech. One of my kids agrees with you though.
Kerry a war hero? lol . . . . I don't think so. http://www.stolenhonor.com/ Kerry doesn't deserve to be in the same room with McCain when it comes to military service. If I wasn't such a nice I guy I would punch Kerry in the mouth for what he did to our men in combat, including our POWs.
Democrat platform in a few words: redistribution of wealth, socialism, moral relativism or skepticism, and nothing new as Obama admitted. The Democrat party is pretty much dead (from an intellectual standpoint). Says a lot about the condition of the party when someone like Obama is now the leader.
Yea, it says alot about the condition of the dems ::)
why even be a moderator dude? wheres the fucking rationality?
A black man with minimal at best experience is about to be president while destroying fundraising records......yep them damn' dems be going down the drain ::). Perhaps it has more to do with the state of the fucking union ???
oh yea...congress approval is @ 8 %...if you havn't noticed.
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I loved Palin's speech. One of my kids agrees with you though.
Kerry a war hero? lol . . . . I don't think so. http://www.stolenhonor.com/ Kerry doesn't deserve to be in the same room with McCain when it comes to military service. If I wasn't such a nice I guy I would punch Kerry in the mouth for what he did to our men in combat, including our POWs.
Democrat platform in a few words: redistribution of wealth, socialism, moral relativism or skepticism, and nothing new as Obama admitted. The Democrat party is pretty much dead (from an intellectual standpoint). Says a lot about the condition of the party when someone like Obama is now the leader.
StolenHonor is crap. The SwiftBoaters were already debunked.
Again BB, it is Democratic Party. There is no democrat party---that's propaganda.
And I don't hear you complaining about the redistribution of wealth when it flows 'up' to the financial elites....you only complain when the poor are given a a hand up.
Socialism--please point out one single aspect of Obama's platform that is socialist.
Thank god the democrat (sic) party is not running for president and Obama is--he has some big ideas.
He's not my first choice but anything is better than a Bush 3rd term.
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Yea, it says alot about the condition of the dems ::)
why even be a moderator dude? wheres the fucking rationality?
A black man with minimal at best experience is about to be president while destroying fundraising records......yep them damn' dems be going down the drain ::). Perhaps it has more to do with the state of the fucking union ???
oh yea...congress approval is @ 8 %...if you havn't noticed.
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StolenHonor is crap. The SwiftBoaters were already debunked.
Again BB, it is Democratic Party. There is no democrat party---that's propaganda.
And I don't hear you complaining about the redistribution of wealth when it flows 'up' to the financial elites....you only complain when the poor are given a a hand up.
Socialism--please point out one single aspect of Obama's platform that is socialist.
Thank god the democrat (sic) party is not running for president and Obama is--he has some big ideas.
He's not my first choice but anything is better than a Bush 3rd term.
You can keep correcting me, but I'll keep calling them the Democrat party. :) I know the difference.
The Democrat party doesn't give "poor people" a hand up. They actually punish "poor people." Obama, for example, wants to increase the costs of doing business. When that happens, businesses, like Safeway, simply pass those increased costs along to their customers. Or do "poor people" not buy food?
Obama's attempt to socialize the healthcare system = socialism.
Doesn't sound like you're crazy about Obama either. Why?
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I loved Palin's speech. One of my kids agrees with you though.
Kerry a war hero? lol . . . . I don't think so. http://www.stolenhonor.com/ Kerry doesn't deserve to be in the same room with McCain when it comes to military service. If I wasn't such a nice I guy I would punch Kerry in the mouth for what he did to our men in combat, including our POWs.
Democrat platform in a few words: redistribution of wealth, socialism, moral relativism or skepticism, and nothing new as Obama admitted. The Democrat party is pretty much dead (from an intellectual standpoint). Says a lot about the condition of the party when someone like Obama is now the leader.
Bump for truth
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You can keep correcting me, but I'll keep calling them the Democrat party. :) I know the difference.
The Democrat party doesn't give "poor people" a hand up. They actually punish "poor people." Obama, for example, wants to increase the costs of doing business. When that happens, businesses, like Safeway, simply pass those increased costs along to their customers. Or do "poor people" not buy food?
Obama's attempt to socialize the healthcare system = socialism.
Doesn't sound like you're crazy about Obama either. Why?
So you are a willing tool of propaganda. Someone else tells you a funny way to insult democrats and you run with it like it's revealed truth. I expect better from a guy as smart as you are.
How does the democratic party punish poor people? How does Obama want to increase the costs of doing business?
How on earth could Obama's healthcare plan = socialsim? He's working with private companies. Do the people own those insurance companies? No.
So I'll ask you again, name one plank in Obama's platform that is Socialism. If you can't, then I suggest you retract your statements.
Obama is trying to be too much to too many people and his policies are suffering. His healthcare plan is not one I'd choose. Edwards's was much better. Clinton's was much better.
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So you are a willing tool of propaganda. Someone else tells you a funny way to insult democrats and you run with it like it's revealed truth. I expect better from a guy as smart as you are.
How does the democratic party punish poor people? How does Obama want to increase the costs of doing business?
How on earth could Obama's healthcare plan = socialsim? He's working with private companies. Do the people own those insurance companies? No.
So I'll ask you again, name one plank in Obama's platform that is Socialism. If you can't, then I suggest you retract your statements.
Obama is trying to be too much to too many people and his policies are suffering. His healthcare plan is not one I'd choose. Edwards's was much better. Clinton's was much better.
Call it whatever you like. I admit I did not coin the term "Democrat" as opposed to "Democratic." Doesn't bother me in the least to use this term. If it bothers you then you have too much invested in your party.
Obama's healthcare plan is socialism because the government is going to takeover the healthcare system. He may be "working with private companies," but those private companies will be under the government's thumb. It will not be a free enterprise system. He also plans to pay for socialized healthcare by raising taxes.
Are those the only reasons you're not crazy about Obama?
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Call it whatever you like. I admit I did not coin the term "Democrat" as opposed to "Democratic." Doesn't bother me in the least to use this term. If it bothers you then you have too much invested in your party.
Obama's healthcare plan is socialism because the government is going to takeover the healthcare system. He may be "working with private companies," but those private companies will be under the government's thumb. It will not be a free enterprise system. He also plans to pay for socialized healthcare by raising taxes.
Are those the only reasons you're not crazy about Obama?
A socialist healthcare system would wrest insurance company ownership from private hands. Obama's HC plan doesn't do that. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
The private companies still have to compete for business. It is as much a free enterprise system as any other we have in this country.
Government involvement in business is not de facto socialism.
Now, is there any plank in the Obama platform that can be characterized as socialism?
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Jesus Christ. This entire thread isn't worth the bandwidth it's printed on. Not even vaguely amusing... although, undoubtedly, the participants feel quite enlightened/enlightening.
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Jesus Christ. This entire thread isn't worth the bandwidth it's printed on. Not even vaguely amusing... although, undoubtedly, the participants feel quite enlightened/enlightening.
I know I'm feeling pretty good today.
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I know I'm feeling pretty good today.
Good. it's all about the pursuit of happyness.
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Is there anybody in the world who wants to be an old white man more than the great Colossus500? I guess we all have our (not so) secret longings.
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A socialist healthcare system would wrest insurance company ownership from private hands. Obama's HC plan doesn't do that. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
The private companies still have to compete for business. It is as much a free enterprise system as any other we have in this country.
Government involvement in business is not de facto socialism.
Now, is there any plank in the Obama platform that can be characterized as socialism?
This isn't simply government involvement. It is government control. The government will mandate insurance coverage for every American. From your link:
Guaranteed eligibility. No American will be turned away from any insurance plan because of illness or pre-existing conditions.
Comprehensive benefits. . . .
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National Health Insurance Exchange: The Obama plan will create a National Health Insurance Exchange to help individuals who wish to purchase a private insurance plan. The Exchange will act as a watchdog group and help reform the private insurance market by creating rules and standards for participating insurance plans to ensure fairness and to make individual coverage more affordable and accessible. Insurers would have to issue every applicant a policy, and charge fair and stable premiums that will not depend upon health status. The Exchange will require that all the plans offered are at least as generous as the new public plan and have the same standards for quality and efficiency. The Exchange would evaluate plans and make the differences among the plans, including cost of services, public.
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This isn't simply government involvement. It is government control. The government will mandate insurance coverage for every American. From your link:
Guaranteed eligibility. No American will be turned away from any insurance plan because of illness or pre-existing conditions.
Comprehensive benefits. . . .
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National Health Insurance Exchange: The Obama plan will create a National Health Insurance Exchange to help individuals who wish to purchase a private insurance plan. The Exchange will act as a watchdog group and help reform the private insurance market by creating rules and standards for participating insurance plans to ensure fairness and to make individual coverage more affordable and accessible. Insurers would have to issue every applicant a policy, and charge fair and stable premiums that will not depend upon health status. The Exchange will require that all the plans offered are at least as generous as the new public plan and have the same standards for quality and efficiency. The Exchange would evaluate plans and make the differences among the plans, including cost of services, public.
I see your point. Is a governmental mandated floor for private insurance eligibility along with premium payment support socialism? No. The private insurers must still compete for business. Gov. makes more customers but the insurance companies must still compete for their premium dollar.
Do you view mandatory ownership of auto insurance as socialism as well?
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I see your point. Is a governmental mandated floor for private insurance eligibility along with premium payment support socialism? No. The private insurers must still compete for business. Gov. makes more customers but the insurance companies must still compete for their premium dollar.
Do you view mandatory ownership of auto insurance as socialism as well?
Are they really competing for business? Any insurer that wants to issue health insurance coverage would be required to offer coverage to every applicant. It's mandated coverage. That doesn't sound like choice or free market to me.
Don't understand your question. The government doesn't own insurance companies. If you're talking about the government mandating that individuals obtain car insurance, no I don't view that as socialism. Or were you talking about something else?
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Are they really competing for business? Any insurer that wants to issue health insurance coverage would be required to offer coverage to every applicant. It's mandated coverage. That doesn't sound like choice or free market to me.
Don't understand your question. The government doesn't own insurance companies. If you're talking about the government mandating that individuals obtain car insurance, no I don't view that as socialism. Or were you talking about something else?
The bold comment...that's precisely why Obama's UHC is not socialism.
Obama's program makes coverage mandatory but private insurance companies must compete for that business. It's like the competition for a gov. contract.
I was talking about gov. mandating auto insurance ownership.
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The bold comment...that's precisely why Obama's UHC is not socialism.
Obama's program makes coverage mandatory but private insurance companies must compete for that business. It's like the competition for a gov. contract.
I was talking about gov. mandating auto insurance ownership.
I agree it is similar to competing for government contracts, but we're talking about something that affects the entire country with this healthcare business. The competition aspect is a farce IMO. They're competing to offer mandatory coverage. The carriers will not have a choice.
And . . . he pays for this by raising taxes on people and businesses he considers wealthy.
In the auto insurance context, state governments mandate insurance coverage, but they don't require insurance companies to insure every applicant.
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I agree it is similar to competing for government contracts, but we're talking about something that affects the entire country with this healthcare business. The competition aspect is a farce IMO. They're competing to offer mandatory coverage. The carriers will not have a choice.
And . . . he pays for this by raising taxes on people and businesses he considers wealthy.
In the auto insurance context, state governments mandate insurance coverage, but they don't require insurance companies to insure every applicant.
I don't think it's a farce but there will be jockeying amongst Big Insurance for those mandated premium payments. It's not pure market driven forces by any stretch, but so much of the 'free' market is not free at all so the distinction that this kind of competition is farcical could equally be applied to almost any other major market---any gov. bailout is a corruption of the free market--goodbye Big Auto and Big Mortgage lenders; any gov. subsidy of private enterprise is a corruption...
Beach Bum, you have to go where the money is at. Debt is for the right reason and in the right amount is a good thing. The US is full of bad debt. Debt for illegal wars--bad. Debt for US infrastructure--good. Anyways, the Chinese own our asses.
I think you bring out an important distinction btn auto and health insurance. Driving is a privilege. Health is right.
Would you agree with that assessment?
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I don't think it's a farce but there will be jockeying amongst Big Insurance for those mandated premium payments. It's not pure market driven forces by any stretch, but so much of the 'free' market is not free at all so the distinction that this kind of competition is farcical could equally be applied to almost any other major market---any gov. bailout is a corruption of the free market--goodbye Big Auto and Big Mortgage lenders; any gov. subsidy of private enterprise is a corruption...
Beach Bum, you have to go where the money is at. Debt is for the right reason and in the right amount is a good thing. The US is full of bad debt. Debt for illegal wars--bad. Debt for US infrastructure--good. Anyways, the Chinese own our asses.
I think you bring out an important distinction btn auto and health insurance. Driving is a privilege. Health is right.
Would you agree with that assessment?
Depends. Do you mean healthcare is a right?
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The Bush administration played a gigantic hand in putting our Country in this shape.
You people must still support his administration to even consider voting McCain?
Amazing haha ;D
The guys seemed to look over this post
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Depends. Do you mean healthcare is a right?
Yup, thanks for the clarification.
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Yup, thanks for the clarification.
I don't think all healthcare is a right. We already have anti-patient dumping laws on the books that require hospitals to treat people who show up at the emergency room in need of urgent care. We give free vaccinations to low income people in many communities. We provide free healthcare in county and state hospitals. We provide free healthcare through Medicare, Medicaid, and their state equivalents. You can get free healthcare in the military. In Hawaii, every employer must provide free health insurance to all of its full-time employees.
Do I think with all of this that people who fall through the cracks have a "right" to any kind of medical treatment? No. Should we try and help those who fall through the cracks? Yes.
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I don't think all healthcare is a right. We already have anti-patient dumping laws on the books that require hospitals to treat people who show up at the emergency room in need of urgent care. We give free vaccinations to low income people in many communities. We provide free healthcare in county and state hospitals. We provide free healthcare through Medicare, Medicaid, and their state equivalents. You can get free healthcare in the military. In Hawaii, every employer must provide free health insurance to all of its full-time employees.
Do I think with all of this that people who fall through the cracks have a "right" to any kind of medical treatment? No. Should we try and help those who fall through the cracks? Yes.
That's what I thought. "Quality of Life" re the most basic of necessities is a liberal concept.
"If they are going to die, then they'd best do it....and decrease the surplus population! Good day!"
--Ebenezer Beach Bum
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That's what I thought. "Quality of Life" re the most basic of necessities is a liberal concept.
"If they are going to die, then they'd best do it....and decrease the surplus population! Good day!"
--Ebenezer Beach Bum
lol. I'm no scrooge. I once gave a panhandler a dollar. :)
Quality of life is an American concept.