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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: subseven on September 04, 2008, 01:47:11 PM
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GH,
I have read your posts with great interest and am very grateful to you for sharing the truth with us. I think you gave us the real picture, with the exception of one area: FAT LOSS.
How in the world do these guys get down to 5% or less so fast? You said over and over again that very few of them use DNP and that Ephedra does the same job, but in just a little longer amount of time. I am finding that hard to believe.
I mean back a few years ago Ephedra was legal and everyone was using it. There were more than 20 guys in my gym alone who used huge doses but I never saw anyone getting ripped from Ephedra. Sure they lost weight, but very few got down to 10% and no one got deep into single digits. I used it myself until it was outlawed. Does it help? Sure it does, but not dramatically...
So what do these guys do to lose so much fat? I can only think of DNP... (not saying DNP is a good thing, just stating my speculation)
What else can it be? What else out there will get those doughboys down to 3-5% in 12 weeks? I don't think it is the tren or anavar. Never used them myself but saw people in my gym back in the 90's and no body got that cut from those steroids.
Thanks as always GH15
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Good Question. All of these guys cant have fast metabs like Dex claims. Where is the cat on this site that was drying out on Grapefruit, bananas and eggs?
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sub, try pming him. he sometimes misses these on the boards. but i agree good post.
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t3
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Bingo.
But remember these Ifbb pro's also have a whole lot of muscle mass that makes it pretty easy to burn off fat with a high protein intake + hard training alone.
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I read in a magazine that Hydroxycut gets a lot of the pros shredded. It must be that.
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Neither T3 nor muscle mass can explain the speed with which these guys get down to single digitis and then straight to under 3%. I just think there are other substances involved
Sub
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dnp
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waiting for GH15
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Neither T3 nor muscle mass can explain the speed with which these guys get down to single digitis and then straight to under 3%. I just think there are other substances involved
Sub
What you think is fat can be a lot of water.
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I read in a magazine that Hydroxycut gets a lot of the pros shredded. It must be that.
Nope-it is Ripped Fuel by Twin Labs ;D
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GH,
I have read your posts with great interest and am very grateful to you for sharing the truth with us. I think you gave us the real picture, with the exception of one area: FAT LOSS.
How in the world do these guys get down to 5% or less so fast? You said over and over again that very few of them use DNP and that Ephedra does the same job, but in just a little longer amount of time. I am finding that hard to believe.
I mean back a few years ago Ephedra was legal and everyone was using it. There were more than 20 guys in my gym alone who used huge doses but I never saw anyone getting ripped from Ephedra. Sure they lost weight, but very few got down to 10% and no one got deep into single digits. I used it myself until it was outlawed. Does it help? Sure it does, but not dramatically...
So what do these guys do to lose so much fat? I can only think of DNP... (not saying DNP is a good thing, just stating my speculation)
What else can it be? What else out there will get those doughboys down to 3-5% in 12 weeks? I don't think it is the tren or anavar. Never used them myself but saw people in my gym back in the 90's and no body got that cut from those steroids.
Thanks as always GH15
must be a gimmick. No offense man..but your question is for want of a better word..clueless.
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from t3 to ephedrine to albuterols clenbuterols and all related familys to aromatase inhibitors to anti estrogens to duretics to growth hormone to halotestin to pgcl to crystal meth and ghb
when you consider yourself a bodybuilder and look like one wether natural or not you have what gh15 calls OCD ,,this ocd is evolve around the 24/7 thinking and getting hard ons by new drygs old drugs and thinking about the next 500-5000$ you will spend on your next cycle which ofcourse the more advance you are the less cycles you do and it all becomes one big addiciton and one big whole cycle for the rest of your life on earth,,this is bodybuilding believe it or not it dont matter ...but this is bodybuilding wether you like it or not
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from t3 to ephedrine to albuterols clenbuterols and all related familys to aromatase inhibitors to anti estrogens to duretics to growth hormone to halotestin to pgcl to crystal meth and ghb
when you consider yourself a bodybuilder and look like one wether natural or not you have what gh15 calls OCD ,,this ocd is evolve around the 24/7 thinking and getting hard ons by new drygs old drugs and thinking about the next 500-5000$ you will spend on your next cycle which ofcourse the more advance you are the less cycles you do and it all becomes one big addiciton and one big whole cycle for the rest of your life on earth,,this is bodybuilding believe it or not it dont matter ...but this is bodybuilding wether you like it or not
useless post - reveals nothing.
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GH,
How come these guys take all that stuff and continue to inject all sorts of anabolics, sometimes 6-7 different compounds, every day but are still afraid of DNP? I just cannot believe that only a minority use DNP (which is what you had said earlier). You know your stuff but this just blows my mind.... :(
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GH,
How come these guys take all that stuff and continue to inject all sorts of anabolics, sometimes 6-7 different compounds, every day but are still afraid of DNP? I just cannot believe that only a minority use DNP (which is what you had said earlier). You know your stuff but this just blows my mind.... :(
Because DNP is the most miserable drug you will ever take.
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look people if you don't die from some sort of alergic reaction first - 200mg of dnp a day will not kill you, and the sides are managable.
personally i tapered up to 800mg a day - and yes the sides are terrible, and death was winking at me.
however i didn't notice any amazing fat loss, however i was drinking gallons of water all day and night, so i may have been losing fat and storing water.
after a week off it and the water drained away i was the same weight though so take from it what you will.
personally i prefer ephedrine and caffeine, simple, easy, and effective.
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dude, these guys are on SO MUCH FUCKING SAUCE, you cant comprehend it. I have a few friends who compete, and they are eating ice cream and chicken wings 5-6 weeks out no problem. You SEE what happens to these bodies as they massively GROW? Its not hard to believe their metabolism and fat loss is multiplied tremendously.
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if any of you know of DNP's industrial field uses, you would never wanna get within 10 feet of it. The bodybuilders actually attempt to JUSTIFY using it beforehand, and they realize it is like drinking gasoline. Their whole mental state of mind is so screwed they cant rationalize it. "Anything" to get ripped.
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T-nation GREAT ARTICLE.
One guys week on DNP in an article.
http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1035803
Did I know all of this about DNP before I used it? Of course I did. Did I really understand what this felt like? No! Not at all. Imagine strapping a third of your own body weight to yourself, then walking uphill all day, and that's what 200mgs of DNP felt like to me for the first few days I was on it.
So what did I do? I doubled Dan's original recommended dose.
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T-nation GREAT ARTICLE.
One guys week on DNP in an article.
http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1035803
Did I know all of this about DNP before I used it? Of course I did. Did I really understand what this felt like? No! Not at all. Imagine strapping a third of your own body weight to yourself, then walking uphill all day, and that's what 200mgs of DNP felt like to me for the first few days I was on it.
So what did I do? I doubled Dan's original recommended dose.
that was a freaky article
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DNP and Albuterol are hard to get
clen is much better than Albuterol but cause it is not easy to get and a lot have not tried it say that it is better
but it is not
Anti Aromatize & diuretic does to make you lose fat
they just pull the water out
each works from different perspective (different way)
Clen +t3+Ephedrine+GH do the trick
you just have to be precise with dosage, duration and timing
getting lean is like gaining muscle as far as memory is concerned
so if you reach a certain condition (muscle gain and body fat lost) you will achieve that in less time the next time you do it (of course f you do it the right way)
so you have muscle memory along with body fat (leanness)memory
so when u c a bber who can get lean fast (faster than regular people) it means he has the body memory to achieve that ... there isnt any secret drug
you also have the genetics which is a big factor in getting lean and muscular but that is whole different subject
I am contributing this reply so people dont get mislead
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getting lean is like gaining muscle as far as memory is concerned
so if you reach a certain condition (muscle gain and body fat lost) you will achieve that in less time the next time you do it
so you have muscle memory along with body fat (leanness)memory
so when u c a bber who can get lean fast it means he has the body memory to achive that
Very Interesting. Never heard of this before. Could you expand, if possible?
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DNP and Albuterol are hard to get
clen is much better than Albuterol but cause it is not easy to get and a lot have not tried it say that it is better
but it is not
Anti Aromatize & diuretic does to make you lose fat
they just pull the water out
each works from different perspective (different way)
Clen +t3+Ephedrine+GH do the trick
you just have to be precise with dosage, duration and timing
getting lean is like gaining muscle as far as memory is concerned
so if you reach a certain condition (muscle gain and body fat lost) you will achieve that in less time the next time you do it (of course f you do it the right way)
so you have muscle memory along with body fat (leanness)memory
so when u c a bber who can get lean fast (faster than regular people) it means he has the body memory to achieve that ... there isnt any secret drug
you also have the genetics which is a big factor in getting lean and muscular but that is whole different subject
I am contributing this reply so people dont get mislead
No offense, but, I don't think these you know more thoroughly about these statements than what you read from various sources of bodybuilding "basics". I dont have a background in chemistry/nutritional sciences, but, I dont think its a situation where if you are 25%, get down to 10%, then its easier to get leaner "next time". Its EXTREMELY HARD for a natural bb'er to build 3 lbs of PURE MUSCLE a year. Hell, even juiced to gill guys is hard to pull 10-15. Likewise, gaining fat and losing fat is the SAME ROUTINE every time. Calories in vs calories out. The "progress" of adipose tissue accumulation is just the result of eating shit food. Yes, if you are juicing year round and are a complete idiot who has no concern for his health, then possiby the bodyfat can be maintained at a low level. My point is, if you are a user, but actually do take legitimate breaks from cycles- then its not like you have some fake "memory" just telling your body "hey, lets burn this faster now".
And, what is this "if you do it the right way" you are referring to?
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I am a big believer of talking break from anabolics
I odnt know how you understood my statement but let me elaborate as you mentioned it
if you had 25% bodyfat and got it to 10% in 12 weeks
than once you are back to 25% the next time and diet you will achieve the 10% sooner
with drugs or without
this is just how the body works the key word here is Proper diet
not everyone can do it
but if you have the knowledge you can do it
ask everyone that has worked with me
or anyone who does contest prep in a right way
I guess no one out into writing
but everyone who diets and gets ready for contest with some years of successful experience will agree with what I said
Hope you got my point now
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DNP and Albuterol are hard to get
clen is much better than Albuterol but cause it is not easy to get and a lot have not tried it say that it is better
but it is not
Anti Aromatize & diuretic does to make you lose fat
they just pull the water out
each works from different perspective (different way)
Clen +t3+Ephedrine+GH do the trick
you just have to be precise with dosage, duration and timing
getting lean is like gaining muscle as far as memory is concerned
so if you reach a certain condition (muscle gain and body fat lost) you will achieve that in less time the next time you do it (of course f you do it the right way)
so you have muscle memory along with body fat (leanness)memory
so when u c a bber who can get lean fast (faster than regular people) it means he has the body memory to achieve that ... there isnt any secret drug
you also have the genetics which is a big factor in getting lean and muscular but that is whole different subject
I am contributing this reply so people dont get mislead
Interesting...
so getting ripped the 1st time is much harder than the 10th time?
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ok sorry if i was confusing, i realized after i posted i wasnt clear.
But, I yes the 25 - 10 - 25 and back to 10 again is what im talking about. What is your research and or sources you are using when you say "its faster next time". I mean real science, not what u read 1000 times in bb mags. Its sound like you are saying "Well, it sounds good, so lets go with it." I think there are too many factors involved in each cutting phase. Incorporating hormones creates a totally different element. Without hormones, if u are 25 %, u are going to lose it SLOWER than if u did use them. By what "extent" faster do u mean? 1 or 2 lbs more per week? Reach your goal shorter next time? I mean what is your basis.
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ok sorry if i was confusing, i realized after i posted i wasnt clear.
But, I yes the 25 - 10 - 25 and back to 10 again is what im talking about. What is your research and or sources you are using when you say "its faster next time". I mean real science, not what u read 1000 times in bb mags. Its sound like you are saying "Well, it sounds good, so lets go with it." I think there are too many factors involved in each cutting phase. Incorporating hormones creates a totally different element. Without hormones, if u are 25 %, u are going to lose it SLOWER than if u did use them. By what "extent" faster do u mean? 1 or 2 lbs more per week? Reach your goal shorter next time? I mean what is your basis.
All what I can say is bodybuilding is based on experience. Ali Amini is talking about experience and science at the same time. take it from me bro :) I know him very well ;)
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ok "hippocrates"
So, his success is based upon looking at the competitor and saying: More carb/less carb. ::)
That still doesnt answer my question. Besides gauging by eye, i want real data. You make it sound like there will be such a significant difference in time as to how fast u lose fat just because you went through 3 months of hard dieting and cardio sometime before.
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ok "hippocrates"
So, his success is based upon looking at the competitor and saying: More carb/less carb. ::)
That still doesnt answer my question. Besides gauging by eye, i want real data. You make it sound like there will be such a significant difference in time as to how fast u lose fat just because you went through 3 months of hard dieting and cardio sometime before.
Hahaha
more cabs or less cab
you really think so
why dont you do it then
it is much more than that
this is the way when you comment on someones pic on a forum
in when working with an athlete is a total different ball game
This is from experience from working with a lot of guys and different body types
I dont know what is your back ground in getting lean or losing body fat
but once you try what I am saying you will know what I mean and as I said anyone with good, successful bodybuilding experience and contest prep background will agree with what I say and understand my point
how fast you lose fat the next time is dependant on the genetic factor
some do it faster than others
but your benchmark at this point is yourself
so when you are comparing the pace of bodyfat lose to your previous diet/prep (progress)
Anabolics are an element in the whole process
so I am saying that you do the comparisons either with or without anabolics
of course if anabolics are included you will do the whole thing faster but then again while on anabloics the fat gain becomes faster (similar to muscle gain) so you might have a problem doing so if your diet is not great.
Compare you progress with anabolics or without
and if done properly you should experience what I mentioned
Dont expect to get researches as you desire
as I said before no one does specific researched or teach technical curriculum of contest prep of bodyfat loose
and we have all seen that everyone has his own approach and not everyone support the high protein diet
however most of these stuff comes from experience and the information from the researches are absorbed indirectly
And if you think what I know is from bbing magazines
than I cant convince you
I am not replying to answer your questions specifically
but for others to understand and make use of
Interesting...
so getting ripped the 1st time is much harder than the 10th time?
yes
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while on anabloics the fat gain becomes faster (similar to muscle gain) so you might have a problem doing so if your diet is not great.
total and utter bullshit. are you retarded, seriously.
Do you want your ball back?
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I don't always agree with Ali but in this case he's right.. drugs for the most part will help speed up the process without losing the muscle gained.
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I don't always agree with Ali but in this case he's right.. drugs for the most part will help speed up the process without losing the muscle gained.
so you agree steroids make you fat quicker?
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ok, only speaking from my own personal experiences with "cutting" i completely agree with "aliamini". i've achieved sub 5% bodyfat 4 separate times and each successive time it was easier and took less work than the time before.
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Oh my lord, what is wrong with you people. Aliamini is 100% RIGHT. Obviously if I get to 2% bodyfat for the first time in my life I would go through a tremendous amount of pressure, pain, hard work and hell, but the next time I can achieve the same conditioning with possibly 90% the actual BS I did the first time, common sense. In my case since I dieted for 14 weeks last year with very low carbs and cardio, lost 40 pounds and I had striated glutes, Right know I am 5 weeks in my diet and I have to go binge for 2 weeks because at the speed I am going at I will be ready in 3 weeks and my show isn't for another 9. Still hard but my body isn't as stubborn as it was before to lose fat.
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i've no problem with that part of his advice, its the part where he claims steroids make you fatter that i have a problem with - am i the only one with a brain cell in this thread ::)
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do u not think its due to gettn bigger, carrying more muscle, takin more drugs and lookin after your self as u get more advanced each time u do it?
everytime ive dieted down its been easier, but i attribute it to evolving physique wise too,, i was leaner goin into each prep, i was on more drugs for longer durations, training harder etc etc etc
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steroids dont make u fat....
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i've no problem with that part of his advice, its the part where he claims steroids make you fatter that i have a problem with - am i the only one with a brain cell in this thread ::)
I dunno what he met their maybe he word it wrong or maybe he is referring to some who use the increase appetite from certain steroids to indulge in junk. ???do u not think its due to gettn bigger, carrying more muscle, takin more drugs and lookin after your self as u get more advanced each time u do it?
everytime ive dieted down its been easier, but i attribute it to evolving physique wise too,, i was leaner goin into each prep, i was on more drugs for longer durations, training harder etc etc etc
Possible contributions? Yes, but if everything stayed the same the body doesn't have to work as hard into pushing into new territory, familiar territory is always easier for the body plain and simple.
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Oh my lord, what is wrong with you people. Aliamini is 100% RIGHT. Obviously if I get to 2% bodyfat for the first time in my life I would go through a tremendous amount of pressure, pain, hard work and hell, but the next time I can achieve the same conditioning with possibly 90% the actual BS I did the first time, common sense. In my case since I dieted for 14 weeks last year with very low carbs and cardio, lost 40 pounds and I had striated glutes, Right know I am 5 weeks in my diet and I have to go binge for 2 weeks because at the speed I am going at I will be ready in 3 weeks and my show isn't for another 9. Still hard but my body isn't as stubborn as it was before to lose fat.
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