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This team can still win 12 games.
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This team can still win 12 games.
Don't be afraid to visit the sports board ;)
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Jake the Snake on the COMEBACK!
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Where did you hear that Tre?
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who cares about that rugby-wannabe "sport"
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Get that out of here, none of us care about the Patriots now. Don't even act for a second as if they are contenders now. Bye Bye NE!!
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Where did you hear that Tre?
He wants a job really badly.
Get that out of here, none of us care about the Patriots now. Don't even act for a second as if they are contenders now. Bye Bye NE!!
Matt Cassel has talent, hasn't taken a lot of punishment in his football career, has some great receivers at his disposal, and has an awesome offensive line protecting him.
You've got to like their chances to make a deep run in the playoffs this year.
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Bucs' Chris simms is trying out too.
He intentionally dogged it in Tampa to get outta town. He's rich from his dad's career, so he wasn't worried about the paycheck. He might do okay up there.
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Bucs' Chris simms is trying out too.
He intentionally dogged it in Tampa to get outta town. He's rich from his dad's career, so he wasn't worried about the paycheck. He might do okay up there.
LOL? Didn't his appendix burst?
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who cares about that rugby-wannabe "sport"
Rugby is for homos.
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LOL? Didn't his appendix burst?
like 11 months ago i think
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I hope he is.
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Doubt it.... Simms and ratay did not try out for the pats...they where sent home. Cassel knows the playbook, and as long as he can manage a game, the pats can make the playoffs. The pats have a good defense, a stacked offense, good special teams and awesome coaching.
We need Cassel to be close to the Brady of 2001, not 2007 (which is impossible for anyone short of Manning or Marino). As long as Cassel can make throws and not lose a game, the pats will win the east. Cassel is pretty mobile, can make throws and knows the playbook. It all comes down to his poise and decision making. As long as he is solid, the pats can make a run. Will they win it all, don't know, but they sure as hell can win the east.
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beware of the J-E-T-S
JETS, JETS, JETS!
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beware of the J-E-T-S
JETS, JETS, JETS!
The Pats have better:
Special teams
Coaching
Offensive line
Defensive line
Receivers
Running backs
Tight ends
Lb's
The Jets have better
Secondary
QB
If Cassel can be kind of like Brady was in 2001, the Jets wont beat them for the Division. I'm not sold on the Jets just yet. Mangina was a guy who had his coaching responsibilities stripped from him when he coached here in NE, and Farve could always implode into the interception machine at any time. Lets see how they fair when injuries and adversity hits. They barley beat the phins last week, and the phins won a single game last year.
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I believe the Pats are still a playoff team with Cassell.
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The Pats have better:
Special teams
Coaching
Offensive line
Defensive line
Receivers
Running backs
Tight ends
Lb's
The Jets have better
Secondary
QB
If Cassel can be kind of like Brady was in 2001, the Jets wont beat them for the Division. I'm not sold on the Jets just yet. Mangina was a guy who had his coaching responsibilities stripped from him when he coached here in NE, and Farve could always implode into the interception machine at any time. Lets see how they fair when injuries and adversity hits. They barley beat the phins last week, and the phins won a single game last year.
You're stating opinion, not fact with your analysis of the position strengths and weaknesses.(even though most people would agree with your comparisons.
However, it's 2008. New year with possible different results. The Jets could make a run this year with Favre. Guy's almost 39 years old but can still play his ass off.
And by the same token, you only beat KC by one score at home despite being so incredibly talented at all the skill positions. KC won 4 games last year.
And Cassel is not the Brady of 2001, let alone 2008. Matt Cassel can only be Matt Cassel over the next 15 games. We'll see how it plays out.
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You're stating opinion, not fact with your analysis of the position strengths and weaknesses.(even though most people would agree with your comparisons.
However, it's 2008. New year with possible different results. The Jets could make a run this year with Favre. Guy's almost 39 years old but can still play his ass off.
And by the same token, you only beat KC by one score at home despite being so incredibly talented at all the skill positions. KC won 4 games last year.
And Cassel is not the Brady of 2001, let alone 2008. Matt Cassel can only be Matt Cassel over the next 15 games. We'll see how it plays out.
Opinion? Thats fair, but tell me where I was wrong. Offensive line ( Mankins,Light,Koppen, Neal)...Wr's (Moss, Welker, Gaff)....rb's( Jordan, Maroney, Morris, Faulk)....Tight ends ( Watson, Thomas)...Defensive line(Seymour,Wilfork,Warren, Wright, Greene)....lb's ( Vrabel, Mayo, Alexander,Thomas, Crable, Bru). Also, I never said that the pats O did well after they lost Brady. I would think Cassel starting with NO practise might have affected how he worked a little. Starters take 90% of the snaps leading up to game day. Even so, he had a great game. Imo the jets are better, but aside from qb,cb and Saftey, the pats are deeper at every position.
I never said Cassel was Brady in 2001, but I bet you any sum of money that you have never seen Matt play before last week, and thats not a knock on you....only NE fans knew who the hell he was. Your right, he is not even in Brady's world, but all he has to do is manage a game. Your own Trent Dilfer proved you can be totally average and win. Tom made the throws he needed to make when he first started. The pats didn't open things up for him at first.
I think the Jets are a MUCH better team, but I think the Bills are better. The Jets could beat the pats this weekend, I wouldent be shocked at all, but I don't bank on them winning the east...not by a mile.
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not saying tom brady is not great...but with Randy Moss
and Wes Welker anyone could make plays
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Doubt it.... Simms and ratay did not try out for the pats...they where sent home. Cassel knows the playbook, and as long as he can manage a game, the pats can make the playoffs. The pats have a good defense, a stacked offense, good special teams and awesome coaching.
We need Cassel to be close to the Brady of 2001, not 2007 (which is impossible for anyone short of Manning or Marino). As long as Cassel can make throws and not lose a game, the pats will win the east. Cassel is pretty mobile, can make throws and knows the playbook. It all comes down to his poise and decision making. As long as he is solid, the pats can make a run. Will they win it all, don't know, but they sure as hell can win the east.
bingo he already knows the system and has been through months of practicing with them as the starter during the preseason to bring in another QB now that doesnt know the system or players would only make the situation worse.
IMHO though they end up missing the wild card spot by one game,,,you heard it here first
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beware of the J-E-T-S
JETS, JETS, JETS!
they are so over rated right now, They didnt broadcast their game for my area but i watched highlights and brett farve looked like he got mighty lucky on a few plays and thats against Miami. It shouldnt have been such a close game but b/c of the jets kicker getting hurt LOL it was but still I think they are way over rated right now.
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they are so over rated right now, They didnt broadcast their game for my area but i watched highlights and brett farve looked like he got mighty lucky on a few plays and thats against Miami. It shouldnt have been such a close game but b/c of the jets kicker getting hurt LOL it was but still I think they are way over rated right now.
How about my boy Felix Jones? I said he was going to be very special when he got to the NFL. He is a little monster.
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How about my boy Felix Jones? I said he was going to be very special when he got to the NFL. He is a little monster.
i like him but id like to see him run against a tough run def...when he got in the def line was pretty much done...but definite potential i never watched college ball really so never got a look at him before sunday i think he will do real good especially in dallas if barber is in there and beats them down and then you get that speedy bastard in there good things will happen.
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i like him but id like to see him run against a tough run def...when he got in the def line was pretty much done...but definite potential i never watched college ball really so never got a look at him before sunday i think he will do real good especially in dallas if barber is in there and beats them down and then you get that speedy bastard in there good things will happen.
Give him time... I think his ypc in college was like 9 yards,lol.
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Give him time... I think his ypc in college was like 9 yards,lol.
LOL what? thats crazy
they said on sunday that barbers ypc was like 5.6 or something like that and thats pretty damn impressive too i think he will do well especially in dallas with their line and other offensive weapons.
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LOL what? thats crazy
they said on sunday that barbers ypc was like 5.6 or something like that and thats pretty damn impressive too i think he will do well especially in dallas with their line and other offensive weapons.
He ran behind Mcfadden at Arkansas. It's more impressive because opposing teams knew exactly what was coming.
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I'd be surprised if Culpepper played in NE despite the Moss connection. He's like a less-good version of Favre; both of them make too many mistakes for NE, ie. too wild, not football smart enough.
NE will use an intelligent QB to manage the game and try to be Pittsburgh 1976 without Bradshaw, the Dolphins in 72 without Griese. In both cases using good QBs who knew how to avoid mistakes.
The Jets will be good but unpredictable, as Favre's age will only mean more mistakes like last year's season-ending interception.
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Man, you're a Favre hater and i don't understand why. The guy's a warrior and he's playing like he could go for another 3 seasons.(and he just might!) In addition, he's made of concrete and he doesn't get hurt. he's a badass and i would take on him on the Ravens in a heartbeat. I'm sure you won't find that last statement surprising given the Ravens history of QB's. Nevertheless, the guy's a legend and a first ballot hall of famer.
Don't forget that despite all of his interceptions, the guy has hoisted a Lombardi trophy as well. And Brady has also thrown a season-ending interception in the 2007 AFC championship game, remember?
I just don't get all the hate on Brett Favre. He's a special player and I'm a huge fan.
is there any correlation to your argument with Favre being a Jet this year and playing in the AFC East? We'll see what happens Sunday.
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Whatever happens in the next few weeks or even days will be interesting. Imagine bringing back Bledsoe. Crazier things have happened.
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Man, you're a Favre hater and i don't understand why. The guy's a warrior and he's playing like he could go for another 3 seasons.(and he just might!) In addition, he's made of concrete and he doesn't get hurt.
You're a Farve luver, i'm objective. He's not in the top 10 of all-time to many including me, and as far as toughness ya sure but Bradshaw's my benchmark-as tough or tougher, won more, smarter. :D
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I can see the Jets winning this game. They are at home, it's Cassels first start since highschool, and the jets have a sense of urgency. Farve is a good player, but he is also a risk taker. The Dolphins are not the type of team that could make him pay for his risks. I saw him hit Clowney for a td last week, on a poorly thrown ball he chucked up there, and by sheer luck it netted him a td.
Thats not to say Farve isn't a good qb, and he will give the Jets a chance to win every game, BUT as far as being a better passer than Pennington (aside from the deep ball) I say it's a wash. One could argue that Pennington makes better decisions than Farve. Short to medium range, Chad was very effective.
The season is not over if the Jets win this game. Injuries will come, and Cassel will get better. Shit, no one is even talking about the Bills. I think the Bills are better than the Jets.
Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Gaffney, Maroney, Morris, Faulk and Jordan are some pretty potent weapons to have at ones disposal. Cassel needs to make his throws, and not make mistakes. If that happens, the pats will win. I think this is a close one either way, it always is.
Jets will come at Cassel with exotic blitz packages and to try confuse him....stack the box, and force Cassel to beat them in the air. Something has to give though. You have to deal with Moss in the secondary, Welker in the slot, Thomas in the slot and then theres the stable of backs. If Cassel can make throws, the jets are going to have to decide which aspect of the pats game to take away. Faulk and Jordan can be lethal on those screen passes the pats used to run, and it's not like the pats havent won sb's playing that form of a football game.
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Man this loss has got to hurt for the Jets.
Jets are at home
Everyone picked them to win
They spent Millions in the offseason
They have a HOF QB
Brady was out
Maroney was out
Pats secondary is new
Jets where 100% Healthy - Pats not so much
Cassel has not started a game since highschool
Yikes
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Man this loss has got to hurt for the Jets.
Jets are at home
Everyone picked them to win
They spent Millions in the offseason
They have a HOF QB
Brady was out
Maroney was out
Pats secondary is new
Jets where 100% Healthy - Pats not so much
Cassel has not started a game since highschool
Yikes
It's week 2. Relax.
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I'm relaxed! I follow the jets all year, and I think this loss was a big let down for them. I said I wasn't worried about the Jets, and nothing has changed. They are a better team, but I don't think their coaching is good enough to win them a sb. Farve wasn't a huge upgrade over Pennington, and the Bills are better than the Jets anyway. Farve is a better deep ball passer than Penni, but Penni is a better game manager, and he makes smarter throws. Farve is good for at least one pick six per game.
The jets best chance to off the pats was today, and they failed. They where at home, healthy and everyone picked them to win. Cassel has not started a game since highschool, and he will only get better as the year goes on. Injuries will be a factor for the jets, and they aint winning in Foxboro. I think they contend for the east, but fall short.
No one is talking about the bills, and they are the sleeper team to watch imo. Week two or not, losing to a team with a qb who hasn't started since highschool, while totally healthy (at home) is a big loss. Couple that with the fact that moss had two catches for 20 yards. With all the hoopla and offseason moves that the jets made, you would think the jets where the greatest team in the NFL. I think San Diego will mash them next week.
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After watching today's game, I think having Randy Moss on my fantasy team will prove useless.
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After watching today's game, I think having Randy Moss on my fantasy team will prove useless.
Not as the season goes on. The pats wouldn't allow Cassel to chuck deep passes to Moss left and right......he was told to manage the game, and not to make mistakes. Cassel will have less restrictions vs the Phins. Also, give Revis credit....the kid is a stud cb.
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This blows my mind:
EAST RUTHERFORD, NJ—Although veteran Jets quarterback Brett Favre claims he still loves the game, dwindling enthusiasm and a desire to bow out while on top has him contemplating retirement again, Favre confirmed Monday.
"I always told myself I'd know when it was time to walk away," the guaranteed first-ballot Hall of Famer told reporters at the Jets practice facility. "But after 17 or 18, you know, practices as the quarterback of this team, I'm just tired, mentally and physically."
Favre's decision to sit out last Thursday's preseason game against the Eagles sparked rumors that Favre was already reconsidering finally hanging up his cleats again. Favre said that, although he had not yet made a decision, he and his wife Deanna had been discussing his possible retirement since he returned from retirement in early August.
"I just showed up at camp, looked around at all those young faces, the unfamiliar stadium, thought about the brand new playbook, and I realized I was tired of it all," Favre said. "I love being a football player, I love being a quarterback, and I love being a New York Jet. But one thing Deanna and I have talked about is that I love retirement, too."
"At least, I love talking about it," Favre joked. "I guess I have a lot more experience with that than I do actual retirement, now that I think about it."
If Favre were to retire this week, the starter for the first game would be third-year pro Kellen Clemens, a strong-armed but untested passer who has backed up Favre for Favre's entire Jet career.
"I think he's ready," Favre said, noting that he had been doing his best to mentor Clemens over the past few days. "He's been waiting what seems like forever for his shot, and they can't expect him to just sit around while I take, like, a farewell tour around the league. You have to want it at this level, and I'd say that at this point, he wants it a lot more than I do."
In addition to mental fatigue, Favre said rising expectations were putting him under undue pressure.
"Face it, last year I went to the conference championship, so the only way for me to be successful here would be for me to win a Super Bowl," the all-time leader in passing touchdowns said. "And that's a tall order. With me out of the picture, though, these guys will have a great season if they can beat Miami twice. So I think, really, that this is best for the fans."
Coach Eric Mangini admitted that he had spoken to Favre several times concerning his possible retirement, but would not speculate on the team's future either way.
"I told him that only he knew if fatigue was a factor, that he should talk it over with his family, and that I'd respect any decision he made," Mangini said. "A player of his caliber, after everything he's done and with what the name Brett Favre has come represent, it's really no surprise he's tired."
I know its in the past, but those are not the words of a motivated QB.
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The Patriots are still the Patriots.
But more importantly...
The Jets are still the Jets.
I-N-E-P-T
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The Patriots are still the Patriots.
But more importantly...
The Jets are still the Jets.
I-N-E-P-T
I think the Jets have the talent now....Mangini is an idiot. He was a coach here for years, and I saw him have his dc power taken away from him on more than one occasion.
Why would you run the ball 3 times,from the five yard line, up the gut, vs the best dline in football?
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Found this awesome video for the pure football fans on this board. Details the historic season (and crushing loss in the SB) of the 2007 - 2008 pats. If you like football, you will like this video.
Check it out: