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Title: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: Mark Kerr on September 11, 2008, 06:28:15 AM
Is it too late to make Hillary his VP?

Read these statements from Biden.

Biden: Hillary might have been better VP pick

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Joe Biden told supporters at a town hall Wednesday afternoon that Barack Obama might have been better off choosing Hillary Clinton as his running mate.

“Make no mistake about this, Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Let’s get that straight,” Biden said testily when a voter told Biden he was glad the Delaware senator had been chosen and not Clinton.

“She’s a truly close personal friend and she is qualified to be President of the United States of America, she’s easily qualified to be Vice President of the United States of America and quite frankly it might have been a better pick than me,” he continued.

"I mean that sincerely, she’s first rate.”
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 11, 2008, 07:46:02 AM
of course.  i think that may be a backup plan.  if he's losing in the final weeks. have biden back out for personal reasons, and put clinton on the ticket as VP.

think about it.  the far-right wouldn't have time to bash hilary in the press for all her luggage and bill's connections and issues.  Instead, it'd be "Hi shallow idiot women voters who only select a candidate based on sex organs - I came to my senses"

And a lot of Palin voters would jump right to his bandwagon.  It's entirely possible.

*oooh i just noticed Intrade.com has a 7.6% chance of Biden being pulled from ticket ;) Looks like others are thinking this way also...
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: boonasty on September 11, 2008, 10:59:11 AM
dude changes his mind so much it wouldnt be a surprise
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: tendonitis on September 11, 2008, 11:01:05 AM
Obama would rather lose than have Bill and Billary right down the hall.

And Obama's wife despises the Clintons.
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 11, 2008, 11:01:18 AM
they don't even call it flipflopping anymore.  now it's just 'shifting positions'.

mccian shifted positions on most key issues in 07 to win the nod.

if obama changes VPs, it'll just be "a strategic shift to match desires of voting public - giving them a candidate who matches more of their core values, who also has a vagina".
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: BayGBM on September 11, 2008, 11:01:36 AM
Is it too late to make Hillary his VP?

Read these statements from Biden.

Biden: Hillary might have been better VP pick


There is no graceful way for Obama to do that.  Unless Biden literally dies it would be viewed as a cynical move and likely rejected by Clinton's supporters.  It's not clear that Clinton would even accept.  :-\
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: cannon_fodder on September 11, 2008, 11:01:43 AM
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"Hi shallow idiot women voters who only select a candidate based on sex organs - I came to my senses"

Have you seen the polls on who african americans are voting for...
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: calmus on September 11, 2008, 11:03:56 AM


He doesn't need to get into panic mode.

 if he stays true to what he promised, he will win.  If he runs around like a chicken with its head cut off, he won't.
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: tu_holmes on September 11, 2008, 11:04:54 AM
Why would he change his mind?

With 55 days to the election, and this "Palin Surge" going on... It will take about another 2.5 weeks before it crashes around them.
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 11, 2008, 11:06:42 AM
be realistic - palin - like rudy and fred - peaked on day 1.


it'll be downhill from here.  Plus only 42% of americans believe she's qualified to lead.  60+% have a favorable view, but that'll drop, no doubt about that.
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: boonasty on September 11, 2008, 11:07:42 AM


 changes VPs,
has this ever happened before?

Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: calmus on September 11, 2008, 11:09:34 AM
has this ever happened before?



yup. dude had had electroshock therapy
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: Mars on September 11, 2008, 11:10:52 AM
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 11, 2008, 11:12:45 AM
has this ever happened before?

yeah, when was it... 1968?  google isn't being friendly here.  some drama came out about a medical history, and ticket was changed.

in this day of marketing, gimmicks, and other silliness (hockey mom with nuke codes - hilarious!), I could see it happening.  Obama made a big mistake not choosing hilary.  He let his ego come first.
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: BM OUT on September 11, 2008, 11:14:09 AM
Is it too late to make Hillary his VP?

Read these statements from Biden.

Biden: Hillary might have been better VP pick


No chance.She wont accept,especially if it looks like Obama is going to loose.Her best scenario would be McCAIN WINS,he does a shitty job and in 4 years she wins.If Obama is elected that means she cant get in for 8 years,time is running out for her.
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: tu_holmes on September 11, 2008, 11:14:39 AM
No chance.She wont accept,especially if it looks like Obama is going to loose.Her best scenario would be McCAIN WINS,he does a shitty job and in 4 years she wins.If Obama is elected that means she cant get in for 8 years,time is running out for her.

We don't know that she didn't turn it down already do we?
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: tom joad on September 11, 2008, 11:18:20 AM
No chance.She wont accept,especially if it looks like Obama is going to loose.Her best scenario would be McCAIN WINS,he does a shitty job and in 4 years she wins.If Obama is elected that means she cant get in for 8 years,time is running out for her.

Agreed.  Why rescue Obama?  McCain would be a one term president and then it would be all Hillary's.
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: Mark Kerr on September 11, 2008, 11:19:29 AM
We don't know that she didn't turn it down already do we?

Good point.
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: Top Dog on September 11, 2008, 11:19:53 AM
Boy you guys panic awful quickly.
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: Mark Kerr on September 11, 2008, 11:22:26 AM
Boy you guys panic awful quickly.

It's serious matter.

Palin can not become second in command.
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: Top Dog on September 11, 2008, 11:25:08 AM
It's serious matter.

Palin can not become second in command.
Many think Biden can't.
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: Sharma on September 11, 2008, 11:25:58 AM
A woman would be a disaster. It is not her place and role to be involved in the serious affairs of men.
I like Obama as his Kenyan relatives are all good, honest and loyal Muslims. This man understands Islam and the West needs to understand it as it is not going away and it is the future.
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 11, 2008, 11:28:51 AM
hilary would still accept in a moment.

the chances of her getting the 2012 nomination - after tearing the party apart in 2008 - would be minimal.

many believed obama had it won 6 weeks before the end - remember when hilary was mathemitcally out of it?
Yet she stayed in it, trashing him for another 6 weeks.  There was no way se coudl win nomination - she just didn't want to give up.  Obama was hurt bigtime by her "ready to lead?" campaign.

she gets no love in 2012.  she'd take this job in a moment.  her team announced she'd accept it, on the sat after she dropped out.  Obama never vetted or claled her.  big mistake.
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: Top Dog on September 11, 2008, 11:29:07 AM
At this point Hillary would have been an obvious better choice.
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: tu_holmes on September 11, 2008, 11:30:37 AM
At this point Hillary would have been an obvious better choice.

Because Palin is a woman?

That's the problem... This is coming down to the fact that one of the candidates has a vagina? REALLY?

If that's all it takes to win, then this country is fucked...  Forget the fact that she is completely unknown and has some dubious shit going on (they all do... I know) but really... SHE has a VAGINA so she's going to win?

Stupid as hell.
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: Mark Kerr on September 11, 2008, 11:36:54 AM
Because Palin is a woman?

That's the problem... This is coming down to the fact that one of the candidates has a vagina? REALLY?
If that's all it takes to win, then this country is fucked...  Forget the fact that she is completely unknown and has some dubious shit going on (they all do... I know) but really... SHE has a VAGINA so she's going to win?

Stupid as hell.

Sad isn't it?

Can you believe this is what this country has come to?

We must be the laughing stock of the world.
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 11, 2008, 11:38:35 AM
"I may not throw the first punch, but I will throw the last punch"
Obama, today.


Bill Clinton today: "Obama will win and win handily" 
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: Mark Kerr on September 11, 2008, 11:41:50 AM
I wonder what Obama and Clinton's meeting was about today?
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 11, 2008, 11:47:38 AM
I wonder what Obama and Clinton's meeting was about today?


same time intrade placed their bets at 7.6% for Biden to drop out, and placed Mccain AHEAD of Obama to win, after obama had been up by 56-44 for a while.
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: Mark Kerr on September 11, 2008, 11:58:06 AM
same time intrade placed their bets at 7.6% for Biden to drop out, and placed Mccain AHEAD of Obama to win, after obama had been up by 56-44 for a while.

I think that's what will happen. Biden will drop out, and Hillary will come and save the day. They are just going to have to be tackfull about it.
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: tu_holmes on September 11, 2008, 11:59:12 AM
Sad isn't it?

Can you believe this is what this country has come to?

We must be the laughing stock of the world.

You ain't lying... We're the laughing stock of OURSELVES.



if obama changes VPs, it'll just be "a strategic shift to match desires of voting public - giving them a candidate who matches more of their core values, who also has a vagina".

Exactly.
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: tu_holmes on September 11, 2008, 12:00:02 PM
I think that's what will happen. Biden will drop out, and Hillary will come and save the day. They are just going to have to be tackfull about it.

I admit, if he does pick Hillary... McCain loses... End of story.

I wouldn't have even wanted it to be honest... I don't like Hillary, but I tell you what... Just to shove it back in their faces would be right and just.
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: bigkid on September 11, 2008, 12:02:06 PM

Have you seen the polls on who african americans are voting for...
funny how this got ignored. 
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: cannon_fodder on September 11, 2008, 12:07:09 PM
Obviously its not just a skin color issue as it is with the stupid women voting for Palin just coz she has a vagina...
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: Mark Kerr on September 11, 2008, 12:08:45 PM
Look at this poll.

Just goes to show CNN is controlled by the Republicans and the polls are fixed.

Look at Times poll.

Who is running a more negative campaign?
84% say McCain

16% say Obama

http://www.time.com/time/
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: The Coach on September 11, 2008, 12:12:29 PM
Is it too late to make Hillary his VP?

Read these statements from Biden.

Biden: Hillary might have been better VP pick


Haven't you been paying attention? He's changed his mind on everything!!

"Change you can count on"
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: m8 on September 11, 2008, 12:17:15 PM
Look at this poll.

Just goes to show CNN is controlled by the Republicans and the polls are fixed.

Look at Times poll.

Who is running a more negative campaign?
84% say McCain

16% say Obama

http://www.time.com/time/

It says "negative".
Title: Re: Can Obama Change His Mind?
Post by: Sarcastic Deity on September 11, 2008, 12:31:28 PM
Obama made a big mistake not choosing hilary.  He let his ego come first.

sure did.  you know his very best people were strongly recommending hillary, but he simply couldn't tolerate the thought on a personal level.  now he may lose the election.