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Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said Thursday he is recalling his own ambassador from Washington and expelling the U.S. ambassador from Venezuela.
President Hugo Chavez said he was making the moves "in solidarity with Bolivia and the people of Bolivia."
"He has 72 hours, from this moment, the Yankee ambassador in Caracas, to leave Venezuela," Chavez told a crowd of supporters.
The president said he was making the moves "in solidarity with Bolivia and the people of Bolivia."
Bolivia's Evo Morales accused the United States Thursday of fomenting a coup d'etat by rich eastern department landowners against him, the country's first Indian president.
"We have seen reports about President Chavez's remarks but have not received any official diplomatic communication," said Gordon Duguid, a State Department spokesman. "Our embassy in Caracas is looking into these reports."
Also Thursday, Chavez accused the United States of having backed a coup plot against him.
"When there's a new government in the United States, we'll send an ambassador," he said. "A government that respects Latin America."
Earlier Thursday, Chavez said he has uncovered a U.S.-backed plot to remove him from power.
"It's the empire that's behind this," he told supporters in a nationally televised address. "They go around looking for a way to stop our revolution and, with it, to strike all the processes of change that are occurring in our Americas, in the Caribbean, in Central America."
Chavez then played a four-minute tape of what he said were conversations among current and retired members of the Venezuelan military discussing whom they could count on to support a movement against the presidential palace.
Chavez, who was briefly detained in a failed 2002 coup attempt, said the former plotters "are the same people involved in this coup attempt. Behind them is the American empire."
But he said the presence of two Russian warplanes on Venezuelan soil for a training exercise "is a warning" to the rest of the world that Venezuela's allies include Russia and other countries.
Chavez added that, should any country in Latin America be overthrown, he would interpret that to be "the green light to undertake military operations of any sort in those countries, and restore power back to the people."
And he had a message for President Bush, beseeching him, to "go wherever you have to go and leave the Latin-American people alone."
He added, "If they kill me, my God, I don't fear for me, but for what comes after."
A U.S. State Department spokesman denied involvement in any coup attempts in Venezuela or Bolivia.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/09/11/venezuela.us/index.html
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damn, not a good sign at all.
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HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
I wouldn't be surprised if 'Shavez' inadvertently "slips" on a bullet in the next couple of weeks 8)
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CNN) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said Thursday he is recalling his own ambassador from Washington and expelling the U.S. ambassador from Venezuela.
"He has 72 hours, from this moment, the Yankee ambassador in Caracas, to leave Venezuela," Chavez told a crowd of supporters.
The president said he was making the moves "in solidarity with Bolivia and the people of Bolivia."
Bolivia's Evo Morales accused the United States Thursday of fomenting a coup d'etat by rich eastern department landowners against him, the country's first Indian president.
Also Thursday, Chavez accused the United States of having backed a coup plot against him.
"When there's a new government in the United States, we'll send an ambassador," he said. "A government that respects Latin America."
"We have seen reports about President Chavez's remarks but have not received any official diplomatic communication," said Gordon Duguid, a State Department spokesman. "Our embassy in Caracas is looking into these reports."
The U.S. State Department has denied involvement in any coup attempts in either country.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/09/11/venezuela.us/index.html
This is a wonderful happening if true.
We should start drilling for oil immediately. We should also double, triple or quadruple our efforts for alternative energy in the interim.
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This is the situation we create.
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This is the situation we create.
Oh yea, the "BLAME AMERICA" crowd is out.
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Oh yea, the "BLAME AMERICA" crowd is out.
no, I blame criminals, not America. Get is straight.
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no, I blame criminals, not America. Get is straight.
Never said YOU blamed anyone.
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Never said YOU blamed anyone.
you said, Oh yea the blame America crowd in reply to my post.
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This is the situation we create.
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damn your shit is getting old, always anti american even on the day of 9/11
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What ever the causes. This is a diplomatic failure.
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damn your shit is getting old, always anti american even on the day of 9/11
Your anti-American shit is so past old, it's a molded chunk of bread left over from Bush's inaugural dinner!!! I'm pro-America, I have no idea what you call this neocon bullshit you support but it's not in any way shape or form consistant with the founding purpose of America... So fuck off douchebag, you piss on America while I bust my ass to preserve The Greatest Nation.
and start capitalizing America you disrespectful asswipe.
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"When there's a new government in the United States, we'll send an ambassador," he said. "A government that respects Latin America." - Hugo Chavez
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By significant margins, Europeans have high hopes for a potential Obama administration, according to a Transatlantic Trends poll of 12 European countries.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=233424.msg3288572#msg3288572
You do see that other countries are trying to tell Americans how to vote, don't you?
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And
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=233424.msg3288572#msg3288572
You do see that other countries are trying to tell Americans how to vote, don't you?
You do see that they have a huge stake in it now don't you? Is it out of line to demand for us to respect Latin America? Is it out of Line for most of the world to take a line when do to our course in the world, virtually everyone is affected one way or another and many who are not Americans effected to a great extreme. Infact I'll go as far as saying if we continue down the coarse of Team America World Police, Rulers of all, everyone in the world should be able to cast a vote in our elections. Is that what I want to see? Hell fucking no. I don't want to see any of this happen.
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while I bust my ass to preserve The Greatest Nation.
How do you do that? Oh right, by saying how America is failed....Chirst sakes your screen name is Hugo Chavez....
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damn your shit is getting old, always anti american even on the day of 9/11
I see you're using 911 for political debate purposes.
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You do see that they have a huge stake in it now don't you? Is it out of line to demand for us to respect Latin America? Is it out of Line for most of the world to take a line when do to our course in the world, virtually everyone is affected one way or another and many who are not Americans effected to a great extreme. Infact I'll go as far as saying if we continue down the coarse of Team America World Police, Rulers of all, everyone in the world should be able to cast a vote in our elections. Is that what I want to see? Hell fucking no. I don't want to see any of this happen.
I don't know about all that. I won't argue with you. But the point is, Chavez sees Bush and McCain as a threat and he is obviously using the situation to manipulate the American vote. "Respect Latin America"? Chavez doesn't respect his own people. It's more like he wants the US to stay out of his way while he exploits and oppresses Venezuelans. Chavez is no saint, Hugo.
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I don't know about all that. I won't argue with you. But the point is, Chavez sees Bush and McCain as a threat and he is obviously using the situation to manipulate the American vote. "Respect Latin America"? Chavez doesn't respect his own people. It's more like he wants the US to stay out of his way so that he can exploit and oppress Venezuelans. Chavez is no saint, Hugo.
Oh, I understand your point. I don't think that's a huge issue. Nobody in America is going to say, shit, we need to get our ambassador back there and if we get McCain, relations will stay the same. But on the same hand I understand Hugo saying, fuck that, enough of the BS, we'll talk when the policy/admin changes. His demand being respect of which we have shown very little in our covert actions in the region. Sounds like reasonable manipulation to me. Now let's talk about the same in reverse. What actions have originated from here to effect leadership in Latin America? You won't like that scale, it's very lopsided with many and very extreme actions weighing down our side of the scale. ;)
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Oh, I understand your point. I don't think that's a huge issue. Nobody in America is going to say, shit, we need to get our ambassador back there and if we get McCain, relations will stay the same. But on the same hand I understand Hugo saying, fuck that, enough of the BS, we'll talk when the policy/admin changes. His demand being respect of which we have shown very little in our covert actions in the region. Sounds like reasonable manipulation to me. Now let's talk about the same in reverse. What actions have originated from here to effect leadership in Latin America? You won't like that scale, it's very lopsided with many and very extreme actions weighing down our side of the scale. ;)
Well, good. I didn't think Americans would let other countries tell them how to vote. It doesn't seem to keep those countries from trying though.
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How do you do that? Oh right, by saying how America is failed....Chirst sakes your screen name is Hugo Chavez....
So, My screen name being Hugo Chavez makes me anti-American? How is that?
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Well, good. I didn't think Americans would let other countries tell them how to vote. It doesn't seem to keep those countries from trying though.
could you kindly address the rest of my post since I think it's very relevant to countering your points and by just leaving them behind you narrow the issue into a simple ah-ha.
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could you kindly address the rest of my post since I think it's very relevant to countering your points and by just leaving them behind you narrow the issue into a simple ah-ha.
Sure. The US helped Venezuela get the oil out of the ground, brought the equipment, showed us how to operate it, which helped make Venezuela the most prosperous and modern country in South America at one time. The US has good relations with Costa Rica, Chile, Ecuador and Colombia. As for the CT stuff, I don't know about all that. Some of it is partially true, some of it isn't. I saw the long videos you posted last year about all that, and I gave you my opinion already. I am aware that the leaders of the US, of any country for that matter, aren't saints.
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Sure. The US helped Venezuela get the oil out of the ground, brought the equipment, showed us how to operate it, which helped make Venezuela the most prosperous and modern country in South America at one time. The US has good relations with Costa Rica, Chile, Ecuador and Colombia. As for the CT stuff, I don't know about all that. Some of it is partially true, some of it isn't. I saw the long videos you posted last year about all that, and I gave you my opinion already. I am aware that the leaders of the US, of any country for that matter, aren't saints.
If you look at the proven American actions alone to directly effect the politcal makeup and leadership in Latin America and you're fine with that, you're directly saying it's ok for America to take a hands-on and sometimes aggressive approach on politics in Latin America, but not ok for Hugo to make an open statement in regards to the preference in direction of our politics and leadership. wouldn't that be a very hypocritical viewpoint?
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If you look at the proven American actions alone to directly effect the politcal makeup and leadership in Latin America and you're fine with that, you're directly saying it's ok for America to take a hands-on and sometimes aggressive approach on politics in Latin America, but not ok for Hugo to make an open statement in regards to the preference in direction of our politics and leadership. wouldn't that be a very hypocritical viewpoint?
No, not saying that. The US can try to manipulate other countries' politics. Those countries don't have to allow it. But the US shouldn't do that. It's not okay. Chavez can try to manipulate the American vote. Americans don't have to allow it. Every country should mind their own business.
Having said that, I don't hear Chavez complaining about the US having helped Venezuela get the oil out of the ground, having brought the equipment, having showed Venezuelans how to operate it, having helped Venezuela prosper, etc.
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So, My screen name being Hugo Chavez makes me anti-American? How is that?
Hugo Chavez is anti-American, anti-American dream, anti-Capitalism, anti-Liberty, etc.
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No, not saying that. The US can try to manipulate other countries' politics. Those countries don't have to allow it. But the US shouldn't do that. It's not okay. Chavez can try to manipulate the American vote. Americans don't have to allow it. Every country should mind their own business.
Having said that, I don't hear Chavez complaining about the US having helped Venezuela get the oil out of the ground, having brought the equipment, having showed Venezuelans how to operate it, etc.
well see that's exactly where we will agree 100% But, the fact remains that the hand of America in Latin American politics far outweighs anything resembling the reverse. and it is not right to put the onus on the country to throw off such attempts, it is better to stay with the highlighted portion of your statement. So I am actually happy to join you in a call for all such interference in the affairs of other nations be halted, just as Hugo himself has called for many times. If that is where you stand, I stand with you on that goal, but the call must be made equally and focused on the primary abuses of which are not originated in Latin America, but in America.
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Oh, I understand your point. I don't think that's a huge issue. Nobody in America is going to say, shit, we need to get our ambassador back there and if we get McCain, relations will stay the same. But on the same hand I understand Hugo saying, fuck that, enough of the BS, we'll talk when the policy/admin changes. His demand being respect of which we have shown very little in our covert actions in the region. Sounds like reasonable manipulation to me. Now let's talk about the same in reverse. What actions have originated from here to effect leadership in Latin America? You won't like that scale, it's very lopsided with many and very extreme actions weighing down our side of the scale. ;)
Every country tries to leverage their resources to manipulate a situation and Hugo Chavez is the master manipulator. Can you imagine if that fucking coward had the the leverage America does? Shit, the only reason this little fucking piece of pig manure doesn't try to manipulate/ intimidate the other countries in South America is because he knows his life would be on borrowed time.
Venezuela was better off with out this piece of pig shit and now the people are catching on, it won't be long.
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just as Hugo himself has called for many times.
Yeah right, then Hugo himself interferes with the affairs of Bolivia, Colombia and Ecuador. I have family in Bolivia. They want Hugo to mind his own business. I work with people from Ecuador. They too want Hugo to mind his own business.
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Every country tries to leverage their resources to manipulate a situation and Hugo Chavez is the master manipulator.
quoted for proof of your epic retardation. Hugo is the master manipulator in the world lololol... His manipulations in the affairs of other nations must be greater than Bush... LOL... epic...
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quoted for proof of your epic retardation. Hugo is the master manipulator in the world lololol... His manipulations in the affairs of other nations must be greater than Bush... LOL... epic...
Mr. Moderator, please show where I said Hugo is " is the master manipulator in the world".
I suggest you slow down a bit and read my post again, before I have you fired! :-*
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Yeah right, then Hugo himself interferes with the affairs of Bolivia, Colombia and Ecuador. I have family in Bolivia. They want Hugo to mind his own business. I work with people from Ecuador. They want Hugo to mind his own business.
hahaha... ok, lets talk about your family in those countries... Please, do tell us a bit about them, what area do they live in, what's their background? But first, do you agree with my above reply of your highlighted quote?
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Mr. Moderator, please show where I said Hugo is " is the master manipulator in the world".
I suggest you slow down a bit and read my post again, before I have you fired! :-*
Mr. Moron, you set the subject in that line, not me... "Every country tries to leverage their resources to manipulate a situation and Hugo Chavez is the master manipulator."
Every Country= The world, unless we're leaving out mermaids populating the ocean or some shit ::)
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well see that's exactly where we will agree 100% But, the fact remains that the hand of America in Latin American politics far outweighs anything resembling the reverse. and it is not right to put the onus on the country to throw off such attempts, it is better to stay with the highlighted portion of your statement. So I am actually happy to join you in a call for all such interference in the affairs of other nations be halted, just as Hugo himself has called for many times. If that is where you stand, I stand with you on that goal, but the call must be made equally and focused on the primary abuses of which are not originated in Latin America, but in America.
This highlighted part is so ignorant is is amazing you actually think the shit you highlighted. Wake up man, we live in the world now some ideological mind fuck galaxy.
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This highlighted part is so ignorant is is amazing you actually think the shit you highlighted. Wake up man, we live in the world now some ideological mind fuck galaxy.
Tell Loco, he typed it and on the single highlighted part we agree. I'm waiting to learn if he agrees in full with my post.
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hahaha... ok, lets talk about your family in those countries... Please, do tell us a bit about them, what area do they live in, what's their background? But first, do you agree with my above reply of your highlighted quote?
Not sure who or what you are laughing at, but what does personal details about my family and co-workers have to do with anything?
You just said you agree that every country should mind their own business, but now you are saying that it's okay for Hugo Chavez to interfere with the affairs of Bolivia, Colombia and Ecuador. ::)
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This highlighted part is so ignorant is is amazing you actually think the shit you highlighted. Wake up man, we live in the world now some ideological mind fuck galaxy.
So, you disagree with it, You are in full support of America directly affecting the political outcomes of other sovereign countries? If so are you in support of Chavez voicing preference in the direction of our leadership? Or just one way, good for us, but not for them? That's not hypocritical to you? It sure smacks of it! lol..
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Mr. Moron, you set the subject in that line, not me... "Every country tries to leverage their resources to manipulate a situation and Hugo Chavez is the master manipulator."
Every Country= The world, unless we're leaving out mermaids populating the ocean or some shit ::)
OK i get were you are going. He is A master manipulator and even if i meant THE, there can be several. The is not beholden to a singularity.
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Not sure who or what you are laughing at, but what does personal details about my family and co-workers have to do with anything?
You just said you agree that every country should mind their own business, but now you are saying that it's okay for Hugo Chavez to interfere with the affairs of Bolivia, Colombia and Ecuador. ::)
please, first I said no such thing yet. I am willing to join in a universal call to end all such interference, that was my statement, but it also calls for it and you to equally say the same of America.
I was first wanting to establish the facts for your family/friends claim. For you to ask me what the background of these detractors has to do with anything sure does assume on your part that I am without knowledge of the where, when, why and hows of the factions involved. Are you saying I'm stupid, or would you admit to the general background and location being relevant to the testimony provided by your friends and family? It's not like I'm asking for their names and addesses!
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OK i get were you are going. He is A master manipulator and even if i meant THE, there can be several. The is not beholden to a singularity.
No bonehead, you didn't say A, you said, "The" "The Master Manipulator" is one. Had you said "A Master Manipulator" you would be right. When you state Hugo is The Master manipulator of all countries, it directly places him on top. You used the words "The Master," not me. At first you just wanted to know where you said "the world," well clearly you did by saying "all nations," now you're just trying to save face but it's just making you look dumber.
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No bonehead, you didn't say A, you said, "The" "The Master Manipulator" is one. Had you said "A Master Manipulator" you would be right. When you state Hugo is The Master manipulator of all countries, it directly places him on top. You used the words "The Master," not me. At first you just wanted to know where you said "the world," well clearly you did by saying "all nations," now you're just trying to save face but it's just making you look dumber.
Sorry shit for brains, you dont' comprehend very well.
I suggest you read again what I said and not trivialize the matter by putting words in different places to justify your mindless drivel.
After you do as I have told you, you will see your interpretation has been corrected.
Now make haste!
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Sorry shit for brains, you dont' comprehend very well.
I suggest you read again what I said and not trivialize the matter by putting words in different places to justify your mindless drivel.
After you do as I have told you, you will see your interpretation has been corrected.
Now make haste!
it's called paraphrasing and the paraphrase I made is accurate. You're the shitforbrains fool.
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it's called paraphrasing and the paraphrase I made is accurate. You're the shitforbrains fool.
It's called word manipulation and you have been found guilty. Now get back to posting about much you love Hugo "Pig Shit" Chavez and how American "criminals" are to blame for him being the way he is.
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It's called word manipulation and you have been found guilty. Now get back to posting about much you love Hugo "Pig Shit" Chavez and how American "criminals" are to blame for him being the way he is.
actually you've been found guilty of being stupid. Go back to school, don't drop out this time.
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This is the situation we create.
Do you seriously hate America? I have NEVER seen you put up a positive post about this country. The only was 'we' created this is by not putting a bullet in that piece of $hit.
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actually you've been found guilty of being stupid. Go back to school, don't drop out this time.
Stupid? Seriously
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Do you seriously hate America? I have NEVER seen you put up a positive post about this country. The only was 'we' created this is by not putting a bullet in that piece of $hit.
That's right, that was you that started the tribute to America thread about a month back... wait, or was it me? So I guess the question you're really asking is: Is being critical of your country hating your country? It could be, I could be coming on here every day pointing out things I see wrong because I hate it. It also could mean I love it and seek to play my small role by voicing my opinion on what I see as wrong in order to benefit our country. I guess you have to take my word for it. I grew up loving America. I grew up believing we are the greatest Country to ever exist. I do not see what I do as attacking America. I see my participation as a needed function in keeping the health of America. If that function were removed, America is not immune from evil. The only course, within that function, we have as individual citizens to maintain a healthy nation is for no man or woman to remain silent where they see ills encroaching.
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Do you seriously hate America? I have NEVER seen you put up a positive post about this country. The only was 'we' created this is by not putting a bullet in that piece of $hit.
He sure loves that piece of pig shit Hugo Chavez. You might even find he is much more willing to stick up for Hugo "Pig Shit" Chavez than his own country and president. 'nuff said!
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damn your shit is getting old, always anti american even on the day of 9/11
Fuck 9/11. The official version is a bunch of lies and bullshit. How many innocent civillians have we killed? Probably a lot more than 3000.
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Fuck 9/11. The official version is a bunch of lies and bullshit. How many innocent civillians have we killed? Probably a lot more than 3000.
Spoken like a true Liberal who hates America.
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That's right, that was you that started the tribute to America thread about a month back... wait, or was it me?
LOL That is just it. Many on this board don't feel sorry for the things they say about America, so they don't do things to try to patch things up by starting a "Thread about the good things in America"
We know America is the greatest country, and you won't hear us bad mouthing it, or regreting the FACT that we live under the stars and stripes of freedom and democracy.
We, as in real Americans pay tribute to America every hour of every day.....not "about a month back"
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Your anti-American shit is so past old, it's a molded chunk of bread left over from Bush's inaugural dinner!!! I'm pro-America, I have no idea what you call this neocon bullshit you support but it's not in any way shape or form consistant with the founding purpose of America... So fuck off douchebag, you piss on America while I bust my ass to preserve The Greatest Nation.
and start capitalizing America you disrespectful asswipe.
Amen to that!
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LOL That is just it. Many on this board don't feel sorry for the things they say about America, so they don't do things to try to patch things up by starting a "Thread about the good things in America"
We know America is the greatest country, and you won't hear us bad mouthing it, or regreting the FACT that we live under the stars and stripes of freedom and democracy.
We, as in real Americans pay tribute to America every hour of every day.....not "about a month back"
Exactly, and when our country is faced with an adversary who wishes nothing but harm against America, we tend to defend our country, not Hugo "the piece pig shit" Chavez and his dictatorship.
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Amen to that!
Truth hurts, we know!
You hate America too. Embrace your hate, why try and hide it, it has been clearly exposed. Your attempts are futile.
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Spoken like a true Liberal who hates America.
Being critical of your government does not mean you're liberal jack ass.
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Being critical of your government does not mean you're liberal jack ass.
Jack ass? Perhaps, but at least I now the difference between reading posts from someone being critical of our country and someone who hates our country. You sir, hate America.
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Spoken like a true Liberal who hates America.
No spoken like a true libertarian who puts liberty and freedom before country and flags.
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Truth hurts, we know!
You hate America too. Embrace your hate, why try and hide it, it has been clearly exposed. Your attempts are futile.
You're the one sitting by while that piece of shit traitor George Bush is exploiting the land and people that members of my family have fought in wars all the way back to the Revolution to defend.
In my eyes people like you don't hate America, but are just to simple minded to see whats going on.
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You're the one sitting by while that piece of shit traitor George Bush is exploiting the land and people that members of my family have fought in wars all the way back to the Revolution to defend.
In my eyes people like you don't hate America, but are just to simple minded to see whats going on.
Nice edit.
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No spoken like a true libertarian who puts liberty and freedom before country and flags.
So tell me, how do you tell the difference between liberty and freedom from country and flags?
Last I checked our country is free, because we had honorable soldiers who fought (and continue to fight) under the flag to protect our liberties and country.
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So tell me, how do you tell the difference between liberty and freedom from country and flags?
Last I checked our country is free, because we had honorable soldiers who fought (and continue to fight) under the flag to protect our liberties and country.
Our country WAS free because revolutionaries i.e. regular people believed in individual liberty rose up against a tyrannical monarchy, England. American freedom has fuck all to do with a standing army. The U.S. military is just an extension of the elitist, corrupt, and tyrannical U.S. Government nowadays. The War on Terror is the biggest scam of the 21st century.
It's been 50 years since U.S. soldiers fought an "honorable" battle that consisted of protecting American freedom and democracy.
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Our country WAS free because revolutionaries i.e. regular people believed in individual liberty rose up against a tyrannical monarchy, England. American freedom has fuck all to do with a standing army. The U.S. military is just an extension of the elitist, corrupt, and tyrannical U.S. Government nowadays. The War on Terror is the biggest scam of the 21st century.
It's been 50 years since U.S. soldiers fought an "honorable" battle that consisted of protecting American freedom and democracy.
Well then stud, start the fucking revolution.
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The War on Terror is the biggest scam of the 21st century.
Scam is the perfect word for it.
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Well then stud, start the fucking revolution.
It's already been started genius thanks to people like Ron Paul, Alex Jones, Jesse Ventura and others who are critical of the tyranny plaguing our country.
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Well then stud, start the fucking revolution.
Don't worry, there are millions of other patriots all over the United Stats with a good head on their shoulders.
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/
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Don't worry, there are millions of other patriots all over the United Stats with a good head on their shoulders.
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/
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And even more who will be voting for McCain this election.
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Spoken like a true Liberal who hates America.
Spoken like a sheeple's broken recorded, clueless and doing more damage to America than any person or group who hates America could ever do. Wake up fool, your ilk will be our undoing.
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Don't worry, there are millions of other patriots all over the United Stats with a good head on their shoulders.
And even more who will be voting for McCain this election.
PRICELESS!
You're insinuating McCain voters aren't "patriots" and don't have a "good head on their shoulders".
You said it not me! 8)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WOW ;D
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^^^^ ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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LOL That is just it. Many on this board don't feel sorry for the things they say about America, so they don't do things to try to patch things up by starting a "Thread about the good things in America"
We know America is the greatest country, and you won't hear us bad mouthing it, or regreting the FACT that we live under the stars and stripes of freedom and democracy.
We, as in real Americans pay tribute to America every hour of every day.....not "about a month back"
clueless boy, If you had one once of understanding, you would have understood the words I wrote speak of my daily tribute to America and my love for this nation. But nope, zing... as usual right over you head by a mile.
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It's already been started genius thanks to people like Ron Paul, Alex Jones, Jesse Ventura and others who are critical of the tyranny plaguing our country.
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I have no idea why ron paul or ventura would go on his show. AJ is a joke.
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I have no idea why ron paul or ventura would go on his show. AJ is a joke.
why
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Venezuela has it's army equipped well enough for a long guerrilla war if need be, and they have enough Anthrax, Sarin and mustard gas to kill the American population 5 times over. It's better not to fuck with Venezuela.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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no, I blame criminals, not America. Get is straight.
If that's the case why don't blame Chavez.
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Sounds like reasonable manipulation to me.
please, first I said no such thing yet. I am willing to join in a universal call to end all such interference, that was my statement,
Yet? What is that supposed to mean? Whether you say it now or later, it's a double standard. You are saying, or are about to say, that it's okay for Hugo to interfere with other countries, but not okay for the US to do the same.
but it also calls for it and you to equally say the same of America.
I said all countries should mind their own business. That includes the United States of America. But you are saying it's okay for Venezuela to interfere with other countries politics.
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But he said the presence of two Russian warplanes on Venezuelan soil for a training exercise "is a warning" to the rest of the world that Venezuela's allies include Russia and other countries.
Chavez added that, should any country in Latin America be overthrown, he would interpret that to be "the green light to undertake military operations of any sort in those countries, and restore power back to the people."
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Looks like the Russians are using Hugo to play games with the US, just like they used the Arabs to play games with Israel in 1967.
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Venezuela's Hugo Chavez insults U.S
Fri Sep 12, 2008
CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez has thrust the OPEC nation into its worst diplomatic crisis for years by expelling the U.S. ambassador in a growing feud between Washington and Latin America's leftist leaders.
Chavez, who calls ex-Cuban leader Fidel Castro his mentor, also on Thursday repeated a threat he has made often to cut off Venezuela's oil supply to the United States.
"Go to hell, s--- Yankees, we are a dignified people, go to hell a hundred times," Chavez shouted at a political rally to thousands of roaring supporters dressed in red.
Chavez is the most radical of a growing number of leftist governments in Latin America that to a greater or lesser degree oppose Washington's traditional dominance in Latin America.
Venezuela has some of the largest oil reserves outside the Middle East and despite Chavez's clashes with the Bush administration, is a major supplier to the United States, which is its biggest customer.
Chavez said Thursday's move was made in support of his close ally President Evo Morales of Bolivia, where violent anti-government protests have killed eight people.
"The Yankee ambassador in Caracas has got 72 hours to get out of Venezuela, in solidarity with Bolivia," Chavez said.
Morales, a leftist Aymara Indian, this week expelled the U.S. ambassador in the poor Andean nation after accusing him of instigating the protests.
Chavez said Washington was behind an alleged plot by retired military officers to kill him and said it had plans to bomb him from planes marked as Venezuelan.
"If there was an aggression against Venezuela there would be no oil for the people or for the government of the United States," the former paratrooper said.
The United States has rejected the allegations by Chavez and Morales. It retaliated against Bolivia on Thursday by ordering its ambassador to Washington to leave. Chavez told his own ambassador to the United States to come home before he was thrown out.
The U.S. State Department said it had not been officially notified of the expulsion.
Chavez was briefly ousted in a 2002 coup that was initially welcomed by Washington. Even after the coup Chavez did not go so far as to expel the U.S. ambassador.
In a busy week even for the outspoken socialist, Chavez allowed two Russian long-range bombers to land in Venezuela and played audio tapes live on television that appeared to show military officers conspiring against him.
He also cut U.S. flights to Venezuela and warned he would support "armed movements" to back Morales in the event of a coup against him.
Chavez frequently calls the United States an aggressive empire and has aligned himself with Russia. Moscow is also sending warships for naval exercises later this year in its first such move since the Cold War.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080912/ts_nm/venezuela_chavez_dc
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Loco, did you not read the post you quoted or not understand it?
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Loco, did you not read the post you quoted or not understand it?
Which one? I've posted a lot of quotes in this thread.
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why
he's a fear monger.
I don't feel like going indepth about it, basically he is a fear monger and he doesn't ask the right questions to get the right answers.
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Venezuela has it's army equipped well enough for a long guerrilla war if need be, and they have enough Anthrax, Sarin and mustard gas to kill the American population 5 times over. It's better not to fuck with Venezuela.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You don't honestly believe that do you?
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Which one? I've posted a lot of quotes in this thread.
your last post to quote my post of course.
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You don't honestly believe that do you?
They may give up without a shot. It would take 2 days to reduce their conventional military to razor blades...and that does not take into account the psyop campaign to get their generals and top officers to quit prior to firing a shot.
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They may give up without a shot. It would take 2 days to reduce their conventional military to razor blades...and that does not take into account the psyop campaign to get their generals and top officers to quit prior to firing a shot.
Exactly. There are alot of ways to fight a war.
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We never mention these guys because its ridiculous. U never really hear a top American official comment on the guy because he doesn't matter. U want to see how much we care, watch what we do, not what we say. Nobody cares about him. Maybe some CIA agent with too much time on his hands comes up with ways to off him, but nobody really gives a shit. We train most of the militaries in central and south America...we have contacts and basically nobody from outside is going to screw with us down there. People on here would be shocked to knwo how heavily we're invloved...between civil and military as well as DEA etc.
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It's already been started genius thanks to people like Ron Paul, Alex Jones, Jesse Ventura and others who are critical of the tyranny plaguing our country.
Ok, thanks for confirming we have no hope of a revolution.
These people you mention are quality people but not capable of starting a revolution. Hell Ventura doesn't even like Ron Paul, you might want to find some people who would actually cooperate with each other in order to start a revolution.
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Spoken like a sheeple's broken recorded, clueless and doing more damage to America than any person or group who hates America could ever do. Wake up fool, your ilk will be our undoing.
My ilk stand and fight for the freedom you pervert. Enjoy your stay on Mars, comeback when you have the balls to fight for "Right and Freedom"
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Venezuela has it's army equipped well enough for a long guerrilla war if need be, and they have enough Anthrax, Sarin and mustard gas to kill the American population 5 times over. It's better not to fuck with Venezuela.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Venezuelans are generally great people. Their chance of survival in a war with the USA is effectively Z E R O !
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Venezuelans are generally great people. Their chance of survival in a war with the USA is effectively Z E R O !
Thank you! I agree to both of these. :)
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Venezuelans are generally great people. Their chance of survival in a war with the USA is effectively Z E R O !
God help us all the day a country attacks the United States with a chemical weapon.
We've already nuked one country (twice). So I don't think it's wise to see if we'll do it again.
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God help us all the day a country attacks the United States with a chemical weapon.
We've already nuked one country (twice). So I don't think it's wise to see if we'll do it again.
Maybe, but only the US had nukes back then. Today Russia, India, Pakistan, Israel and N. Korea have nukes too. The US would think twice before using nukes today to avoid a nuclear holocaust. I believe that the current situation between Venezuela and the US is being orchestrated in part by Russia, over the disputed plans to build a missile shield at Russia's door step.
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Venezuelans are generally great people. Their chance of survival in a war with the USA is effectively Z E R O !
you sound like a hitler wannabe with your world domination fantasy. you also sound a lot like youandme :D What you don't sound like is a true American patriot. you're nothing but a 2 bit neocon tool.
loco, were you going to answer me? on anything?
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loco, were you going to answer me? on anything?
Did I miss something?
It's very simple, Hugo. If you believe that Hugo Chavez is justified in interfering with Bolivia's and Ecuador's politics, then you have a double standard if you criticize the US for interfering with other countries' politics.
If you agree with me that every country should mind their own business, then don't applaud and justify Hugo's sticking his nose in other coutries' business.
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Did I miss something?
It's very simple, Hugo. If you believe that Hugo Chavez is justified in interfering with Bolivia's and Ecuador's politics, then you have a double standard if you criticize the US for interfering with other countries' politics.
If you agree with me that every country should mind their own business, then don't applaud and justify Hugo's sticking his nose in other coutries' business.
Well, you can't even post where I said it was ok to do so. You just said I believe it is so you could avoid my questions. So please quote where I said anything of the kind. Go ahead, find where I said it was ok for Hugo. What level of interference are you talking about anyway? I'm not against countries having allies and aiding those allies. I am against any country subversively working with opposition groups to change government, those are affairs that belong only within the realm of each country and should never be manipulated or aided from outside sources. We know who the largest source of these transgressions is. If you're really interested in ending it, best to start at the top, otherwise you have opposition countries forced to operate on the dark side or perish. If one player is cheating, and the cheating player is the biggest player, no other player stands a chance unless they play dirty too.
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Maybe, but only the US had nukes back then. Today Russia, India, Pakistan, Israel and N. Korea have nukes too. The US would think twice before using nukes today to avoid a nuclear holocaust. I believe that the current situation between Venezuela and the US is being orchestrated in part by Russia, over the disputed plans to build a missile shield at Russia's door step.
I think that if ANY country wiped out any American city with chemical weapons a nuclear response would be the response.
That option has to be on the table to keep would be aggressors from even considering it.