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She's in over her head. Look at the way she cannot answer simple questions from Charlie Gibson...
Gibson: Do you believe in the Bush doctrine?
She tries to bluff Gibson into defining it for her> "In what respect, charlie."?
Gibson: Well, how do you define the Bush doctrine?
Palin: *enters into a messy rant about the world using philosophical vague terms.
Gibson then defines it for her.
OWNED. Sorry folks. This lady isn't ready.
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She needs to get back in the kitchen...
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I'm less concerned about her not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is, and more concerned about her dishonesty about it. Had she simply said, "I'm not sure what you mean by that, please clarify" she would have done much better.
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Good, then she is unlikely to repeat any of the mistakes ;D
"I'm not sure what you mean by that, please clarify" Yes, that would have been the best answer because so many people add their spin or assumptions to the definition of that topic.
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Maybe we should post up the O'Rielly interview with Obama just to see how bad O'Reilly tore him a new one.
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But he was able to answer questions and looked far more prepared than Palin.
and frankly it's better she doesn't know BUSH's doctrine.
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Good, then she is unlikely to repeat any of the mistakes ;D
Brilliant logic here...
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You've just been Palinowned people... Palin and McCain had the questions well in advance. Why would Palin appear clueless on Bush's foriegn policy? duh...
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You've just been Palinowned people... Palin and McCain had the questions well in advance. Why would Palin appear clueless on Bush's foriegn policy? duh...
I'm not interested in if I've been Palinowned. The foreign "policy" she espoused was more rabid than any thing Bush would have said. If the American people don't get that, then fuck us.
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Palin and McCain had the questions well in advance.
Wow, they did how do you know this? Oh right your well connected in the political forums.
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she just greenlight israel to hit iran.
she just promised to invade russia if nato allies are hit.
she's actually a lot mroe violent than Bush is, in these ways.
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It was sarcastic, wise guy....thus, the smiley face.
I would ask the interviewer to define it as well. The media twists things and makes assumptions far too often. I'll be there are several definitions of "The bush doctrine" depending on who is asked.
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Yeah, because it's so fucking funny. Idiot.
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The spinsters were at work with Palin's statement about Georgia and Russia. She said if Georgia was accepted as a NATO ally and Russia invaded, we'd have a responsibility to help. And she is right, we would...and military options are never off the table (but of course would be a very last resort and IMO could be a huge mistake). Hannity blasted one of their guests last night on that one. People hear what they want to hear.
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YAM, can you honestly defend that BIMBO ? ???
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Have not seen the interview, yet. I do agree with her positions on a variety of issues. Also unlike Obama she has handled Alaska's largest budget of 11 billion, while Obama's campaign manager has handled their presidential campaign budget, she had over 30k workers under her, he 2500k.
It was sarcastic, wise guy....thus, the smiley face.
I would ask the interviewer to define it as well. The media twists things and makes assumptions far too often. I'll be there are several definitions of "The bush doctrine" depending on who is asked.
You can't do that shoot, it would count against you. People already know the legal tactic of stauling, and asking someone to define, and repeat the question means your having to think about a functional answer, she would have been in a deeper mess with the liberals over that.
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she just greenlight israel to hit iran.
she just promised to invade russia if nato allies are hit.
she's actually a lot mroe violent than Bush is, in these ways.
She said if Goergia was NATO ally...we would have to respond. Georgia is not a NATO ally, won't be any time soon if ever and Russia would not have moved against them if they were. Review the NATO charter.....she knows what it means.
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Hahaha. Yeah I'm sure she knows what it means. Maybe somebody read it to her.
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she just greenlight israel to hit iran.
she just promised to invade russia if nato allies are hit.
she's actually a lot mroe violent than Bush is, in these ways.
Basically because she probably doesn't have a clue on the consequences of such actions. B
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Hahaha. Yeah I'm sure she knows what it means. Maybe somebody read it to her.
Obama would um and hmm his way through it and Biden would find a crip in the audience and ask him to stand up.
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sarah palin = the ultimate horror show. :o
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You may think that, but you know that Russia is full of dumbos that think they are smart since they are the top 5 producers and exporters in gas, oil, coal, nickel, platinum, and diamonds. They are making loads of money and wanting to revert back to the old empire state, she says she will give a green light, I'd take that answer any day over Obama's hummm negotiate first, and get rid of Poland's missle defense shield, and end nuclear weapons...all the while Russian submarines are off our coasts.
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Obama would um and hmm his way through it and Biden would find a crip in the audience and ask him to stand up.
obama and biden have more intelliegence,experience, character, and good judgement in 1/8th of their big toes than this fucking POLITICAL TOOL has.
the whole nation should be embarassed that this person is in position to lead and represent our country.
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the whole nation should be embarassed that this person is in position to lead and represent our country.
exactly he has terrorist ties to Ayers, radical left preachers, Pfleger, Wright, and a Muslim background.
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You've just been Palinowned people... Palin and McCain had the questions well in advance. Why would Palin appear clueless on Bush's foriegn policy? duh...
are you serious. She looked like a deer caught in the headlights when she was first asked the question. Then when Charlie had to define it for her, you could read the emotion in her face. Someone please get a still of that expression & write "POWN3D!11!" on it....
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obama and biden have more intelliegence,experience, character, and good judgement in 1/8th of their big toes than this fucking POLITICAL TOOL has.
the whole nation should be embarassed that this person is in position to lead and represent our country.
Then why isn't Biden at the top of the ticket (when he's not claiming that Hilary Clinton was the better choice for VP)?
You're doing exactly what the Obama camp has been doing, and what political experts from BOTH sides of the aisle have been saying for over a week.
Sarah Palin ain't at the top of the ticket. John McCain is. The more time you spend on Palin, the more time McCain has to spread his message, establish his reputation, and take Obama apart.
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If he wanted a woman Linda Lingle would have been a far more qualified candidate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Lingle
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If he wanted a woman Linda Lingle would have been a far more qualified candidate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Lingle
The issue isn't McCain's simply wanting a woman. In Palin, McCain appears to have hit the jackpot. It has the GOP base energized, getting independents (and a handful of PUMAs) looking his way, and has even put some pep into his step.
Add to that, the minor fact that Palin's is beautiful, and business picks up. What McCain needed was someone who has as much star power as (if not more than) Obama.....and HE GOT IT. Now, to much larger crowds, he can pitch his message.
McCain had the steak; he needed some sizzle. In Palin, he ended up with BOTH. And, that may be enough to get him to the White House.
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Add to that, the minor fact that Palin's is beautiful, and business picks up. What McCain needed was someone who has as much star power as (if not more than) Obama.....and HE GOT IT.
Hahaha. Certainly can't say that about Lingle-Dingle. Besides she doesn't seem particularly smart either, so....
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Hahaha. Certainly can't say that about Lingle-Dingle. Besides she doesn't seem particularly smart either, so....
nothing wrong with a multiple-divorcee trying to legislate morality in a lib state.
She's not exactly 100 IQ material, no, but 80 is pretty darn good too.
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But you can see China from hawaii, so that must make her qualified.
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She's kicking the shit outa the Dems by herself. Nobody is talking about the Dems other then the Obama slide. Top dems are worried about Nov and Obama and oh yeah...Congress might even be in play. If u lib idiots fuck this one up u might has well desolve the party.
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All right, we'll "desolve" it. whatever the fuck that is, fucktard.
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All right, we'll "desolve" it. whatever the fuck that is, fucktard.
Thanks. That'll make this much less painful for you.
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Thanks. That'll make this much less painful for you.
Hahaha. I'll be laughing last, just like I was the first one on getbig to predict that Obama would get the democratic nomination.
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Gee congrats..ur the greatest. Anything else u'd like to contribute.
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I'm just hanging around to laugh in November
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Hahaha. I'll be laughing last, just like I was the first one on getbig to predict that Obama would get the democratic nomination.
Yes you=political genius ::). Get back to us on November 5th, socialist.
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Or hang urself........its funny ,much like the Pats last year, u idiots should win. But look whats happening, Obama is behind, a little bit, but he's behind. We have the debates and those should decide things. But then we have various articles today saying that high ranking dems are looking at Congress and are worried that Obama could also sink their chances of a landslide there as well. If Obama looses this race and the Dems either don't swamp the Repubs in Congress or actually do poorly, u will never hear from Obama again.
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You're going to love living in the new Peoples Republic of America. ;)
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You're going to love living in the new Peoples Republic of America. ;)
Time to embrace Communism. Hope you've got your bribe money lined up.
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You're going to love living in the new Peoples Republic of America. ;)
Naw. I've got principals. If that were to happen (and I don't see it), I'd probably get all redneck and go out in a blaze of glory when they come for my guns.
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obama and biden have more intelliegence,experience, character, and good judgement in 1/8th of their big toes than this fucking POLITICAL TOOL has.
the whole nation should be embarassed that this person is in position to lead and represent our country.
Fact.
NT
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Naw. I've got principals. If that were to happen (and I don't see it), I'd probably get all redneck and go out in a blaze of glory when they come for my guns.
Of course you have "principals"
I suppose your judge friend has "principals" too.
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Its funny, our enemies are afraid of McCain and are now really afraid of Palin. All they understand is strength. If Obama gets in, Russia and China will push us as far as they can....and it might be too late to do anything. If u honestly think the world wants Obama because they want cuddle with us, you're as deluded as he is. They want him because he's weak, his party and policies are weak. Both our friends and our enemies understand strength...period.
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Of course you have "principals"
I suppose your judge friend has "principals" too.
What the hell is that. You don't know me or my friends. Why do you hate so much? What did they do to you when you were a child?
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Willful ignorance arouses revulsion in me. I guess some people are really ignorant, but a lot of you just strike me as people who are willing to do anything to keep a certain power structure in place, even if it costs us all our advantages in the long run.
So, fuck you and the horse you rode in on.
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Willful ignorance arouses revulsion in me. I guess some people are really ignorant, but a lot of you just strike me as people who are willing to do anything to keep a certain power structure in place, even if it costs us all our advantages in the long run.
So, fuck you and the horse you rode in on.
Actually, I'm well educated and well-read to the point of spending way to much time reading from a wide spectrum of sources. I disagree with you and think you are naive. To what advantages are you referring?
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Wow, they did how do you know this? Oh right your well connected in the political forums.
I know. You're an idiot if you think it's any other way.
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That certain power structure will ensure our survival. Sure Bush has done alot of damage to the economy, Mccain can and will do better. Raising taxes on the people and organizations who make this country run will not ensure our viability on the world stage. Beinmg weak and naive will not cut it either. Obama is weak and naive....
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Actually, I'm well educated and well-read to the point of spending way to much time reading from a wide spectrum of sources. I disagree with you and think you are naive. To what advantages are you referring?
Yeah, let's take all our money and funnel it into meaningless wars ordained by God... fuck education and innovation (who needs that, we can drill in ANWR and we have the bible), fuck health care (oh well, we'll just pay more in insurance), and fuck infrastructure. And fuck a strong dollar, who needs that shit? We'll just continue the great Reagan-Bush policies of deregulation followed by bail-outs. And the great Reagan-Bush policies of borrowing and spending ever more. brilliant.
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Yeah, let's take all our money and funnel it into meaningless wars ordained by God... fuck education and innovation (who needs that, we can drill in ANWR and we have the bible), fuck health care (oh well, we'll just pay more in insurance), and fuck infrastructure. And fuck a strong dollar, who needs that shit? We'll just continue the great Reagan-Bush policies of deregulation followed by bail-outs. And the great Reagan-Bush policies of borrowing and spending ever more. brilliant.
Like I said naive .
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I know. You're an idiot if you think it's any other way.
oops you know again, haha.
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Like I said naive .
Yeah, the italics really make you seem less like a "principalled" neanderthal.
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You have ceased to amuse me. Go away little boy.
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He never will.......cardfan.....A rizona or MO
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Rednecks for McCain...... what a surprise!!!!!
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HH6. Missouri.
Calvin. This is America. We are all part redneck.
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I'm in KC..my Gf is a cards fan.....we have cards crap, I'd say everywhere but My Red Sox stuff overwhelms her.
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I'm in KC..my Gf is a cards fan.....we have cards crap, I'd say everywhere but My Red Sox stuff overwhelms her.
She has my sympathies. At least the teams are in different leagues. If y'all were together in '04 it must've been rough. That said, I bleed Cardinal red (even this year), but I gotta admire the Sox's moxy and the fan base they have cultivated.
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She was at game 4..no we weren't together but I do have the Time magazine cover blown up and framed in my office. ;D
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She was at game 4..no we weren't together but I do have the Time magazine cover blown up and framed in my office. ;D
You are a gentleman for not putting it in the living room. Still, I don't think you wanna compare pennants and rings by team. Whatever, we can support different teams and the same country.
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I'm a bigger Pats fan anyway...the sox only cause me heartburn.
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She needs to get back in the kitchen...
The truly disgusting part about that clearly sexist comment is... I agree with you! :'(
It doesn't have to be the kitchen tho, ...Alaska, Afghanistan ...anywhere AWAY from the White house!
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Can a mod please move comments #59 through to #64 over to the Sports board?
In the interest of not completely derailing a perfectly good thread.
The topic is Palin's ignorance of Bush policy, NOT baseball or football. Thank You.
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Laughing at you.
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Can anyone here give a definitive answer to what the Bush Doctrine is? I admit that I follow politics relatively casually, but I have never ever heard that term until this interview. Is there some kind of text book definition?
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As I said on the O&G page, no-one can define the so-called "Bush Doctrine", because it changes so often. "Well, there weren't any WMD's, so let's just say we're bringing democracy!"
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Ok- so how exactly is she supposed to articulate her position on an imaginary doctrine with no readily discernable definition?
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They're scared. Let them run around and hug a tree or some sh*t.
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Ok- so how exactly is she supposed to articulate her position on an imaginary doctrine with no readily discernable definition?
Whatever she said would have been proof of her inexperience. Since there are numerous definitions of what exactly the Bush Doctrine is then whatever she said would have been wrong.
Palin was smarter than people here realize in this interview. For example the Israel and Iran comment. She would have been screwed any way she would have answered it.
If she said: Yes, Israel should take out Iranian nuclear facilities, then the left would have said: "She's a war monger, no different then Bush, she's too inexperienced and dangerous to be President!"
If she said: No, Israel should not take out Iranian nuclear facilities, then the left would have called her a liar and criticized her lack of experience for ruling out support of a military option against a dangerous regime that is trying to acquire nuclear weapons. Later they would have a weapon to pound her for lying if later she wouldn't condemn Israel for taking out Iranian facilities.
So what she said is that " I don't think we can second guess what Israel has to do to secure its nation." This answer is brilliant, it is saying that she isn't going to let Gibson put words in her mouth, and she isn't going to give the left ammo to use against her later.
The NATO thing too is ridiculous. NATO is a military organization where members treat an attack on one member as an attack on all. Palin correctly identified the purpose of NATO and she's being criticized for it? The left is losing its mind over this woman.
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Bump. You haters will bow.
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Can anyone here give a definitive answer to what the Bush Doctrine is? I admit that I follow politics relatively casually, but I have never ever heard that term until this interview. Is there some kind of text book definition?
I had never heard of it either. I'm sure whomever she interviews with will have a number of "gotcha" questions.
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I had never heard of it either. I'm sure whomever she interviews with will have a number of "gotcha" questions.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nss/2002/
Go to that link and you'll find where the Bush Doctrine started.
How can you support the president when you don't know his own policy?
The Battle with terrorists is to the death...you're with us or against us, anyone helping terrorists is a terrorist, preventive military force against any terrorist sympathizers, torture etc.
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How does McCain/Palin=Bush exactly. You fuckers are soooo weak. Hahahahaha
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Decker who the fuck is talking about supporting the the president? She was asked to clarify her position on something with no bright-line definition. Was she really supposed to go onto the whitehouse website and search the archives to find out what the "Bush Doctrine" is just in case a journalist should happen to ask her about it?
I mean how stupid and petty can you get. Was McCain asked the same question? Once again another non-story story about Palin.
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Decker who the fuck is talking about supporting the the president? She was asked to clarify her position on something with no bright-line definition. Was she really supposed to go onto the whitehouse website and search the archives to find out what the "Bush Doctrine" is just in case a journalist should happen to ask her about it?
I mean how stupid and petty can you get. Was McCain asked the same question? Once again another non-story story about Palin.
I was responding to Beach Bum not you.
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How does McCain/Palin=Bush exactly. You fuckers are soooo weak. Hahahahaha
You're on fire with your observations tonight.
Big Mac = Bush: Entitlements, taxes, foreign policy, Iraq war, torture, energy, abortion, guns...what precisely is the difference btn McCain's platform and Bush's policy positions?
Do you see the similarities? They are damn near identical...unless you can point out the distinctions.
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Look at me! I'm just like 240 with my cut and paste! :)
ABC News’ Charles Gibson, who is being credited with stumping Sarah Palin on the definition of the “Bush Doctrine,” has himself defined the nebulous phrase in a variety of ways, including one that mirrored Palin’s disputed explanation.
Gibson and his colleagues have been all over the map in defining the Bush Doctrine over the last seven years. In 2001, Gibson himself defined it as “a promise that all terrorists organizations with global reach will be found, stopped and defeated.”
But when Palin tried to give a similar definition on Thursday, Gibson corrected her.
“I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell bent on destroying our nation,” Palin said in her first interview since being nominated as the GOP’s vice presidential candidate.
Gibson countered: “The Bush doctrine, as I understand it, is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense, that we have the right to a preemptive strike against any other country that we think is going to attack us.”
Much has been made of the fact that Palin had to ask for clarification when Gibson inquired: “Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?”
“In what respect, Charlie?” the Alaska governor said.
“The Bush — well, what do you — what do you interpret it to be?” Gibson challenged.
“His world view?” Palin queried.
“No, the Bush doctrine, enunciated September 2002, before the Iraq war,” Gibson said.
That’s when Palin talked of ridding the world of “Islamic extremism,” prompting Gibson to define the Bush Doctrine instead as preemption.
The term “Bush Doctrine” was first coined by columnist Charles Krauthammer three months before the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 and has undergone profound changes as the war against terror has evolved.
“There is no single meaning of the Bush Doctrine,” Krauthammer noted in a forthcoming column. “In fact, there have been four distinct meanings, each one succeeding another over the eight years of this administration — and the one Charlie Gibson cited is not the one in common usage today. It is utterly different.”
Richard Starr, managing editor of the Weekly Standard, agreed.
“Gibson should of course have said in the first place what he understood the Bush Doctrine to be–and specified that he was asking a question about preemption,” Starr observed. “Palin was well within bounds to have asked him to be more specific. Because, as it happens, the doctrine has no universally acknowledged single meaning.”
Starr pointed out that other ABC journalists, including George Stephanolous, George Will and the late Peter Jennings, have defined the Bush Doctrine on the air in a variety of ways.
Ben Smith of the Politico said the Bush Doctrine exchange was “not a great moment” for Palin. But he conceded that critics are unfairly “pouncing on Sarah Palin’s apparent unfamiliarity with the Bush Doctrine as last night’s gaffe.”
“This isn’t an easy question,” Smith noted. “Commentators have offered a range of meanings for the phrase, from the principle that countries that harbor terrorists are responsible for their actions to broader statements about the spread of freedom.”
Starr added: “Preemptive war; American unilateralism; the overthrow of regimes that harbor and abet terrorists–all of these things and more have been described as the ‘Bush Doctrine.’ It was a bit of a sham on Gibson’s part to have pretended that there’s such a thing as ‘the’ Bush Doctrine, much less that it was enunciated in September 2002.”
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Isn't Gibson that douchebag that thought tax cuts pay for themselves? I know he is. He pulled that rightwing nonsense when he was moderating a democratic debate.
I suppose he could have dumbed down the interview to accomodate Palin. He could have asked her about her favorite ice cream or how it feels to be a VP candidate or something of the like.
But one would think that a VP candidate would know the nuances of Bush's criminal foreign policy. Not Palin. Ask her a question that she does not know how to answer intelligently and it's a game of gotcha.
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Decker. How old are you?
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For all her talk of reform and change blah blah blah... she's like any other fraking politician - totally incapable of giving a straight answer.
If you don't know the answer to a question just say so or ask for clarification. Instead she rambles on like a bumbling twit.
In the end she's a lot hotter when she doesn't talk.
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http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nss/2002/
Go to that link and you'll find where the Bush Doctrine started.
How can you support the president when you don't know his own policy?
The Battle with terrorists is to the death...you're with us or against us, anyone helping terrorists is a terrorist, preventive military force against any terrorist sympathizers, torture etc.
Thanks. I looked at the link. How in the world was Palin, or anyone, supposed to know that the "Bush doctrine" was something from a 2002 speech and/or website?
But I do agree we are in a battle with terrorists.
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“Gibson should of course have said in the first place what he understood the Bush Doctrine to be–and specified that he was asking a question about preemption,” Starr observed. “Palin was well within bounds to have asked him to be more specific. Because, as it happens, the doctrine has no universally acknowledged single meaning.”
Ding! Good find. I was thinking the same thing.
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For all her talk of reform and change blah blah blah... she's like any other fraking politician - totally incapable of giving a straight answer.
If you don't know the answer to a question just say so or ask for clarification. Instead she rambles on like a bumbling twit.
In the end she's a lot hotter when she doesn't talk.
What he said^^
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They're scared. Let them run around and hug a tree or some sh*t.
What do you have against trees? ???
Why don't you go out and hug a tree tomorrow. You'll feel much better if you do... :)
(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/Money_Tree.jpg)
pssst: It really DOES grow on trees, ...so long as you have the right tree. ;)
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I had never heard of it either.
(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/em/roll_eyes.gif)
Why is that so not surprising? How about Sam Walton, ...have you ever heard of him?
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Jag send pics so I can clarify whether or not I should shamelessly attack every point you make or graciously commend you for your intelligence and wit.
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I am shocked that some folks who debate as much as we do here, have no clue about the bush doctrine. we've had some serious discussions - it was right on par with the marshall plan with its innovate nature when it came out in 2002. "hit them if they may ever pose a threat to you" was revolutionary thinking, and violated religious doctrine.
more pathetic than her not knowing - was her trying to BS her way thru it... "in what respect, charlie?"
Palin tried to bullshit you, kids.
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I am shocked that some folks who debate as much as we do here, have no clue about the bush doctrine. we've had some serious discussions - it was right on par with the marshall plan with its innovate nature when it came out in 2002. "hit them if they may ever pose a threat to you" was revolutionary thinking, and violated religious doctrine.
more pathetic than her not knowing - was her trying to BS her way thru it... "in what respect, charlie?"
Palin tried to bullshit you, kids.
I saw a woman extremely scared. I don't blame her. With the intense spotlight glared on her the way it has been, she was under INTENSE scrutiny, ...but just the same, the entire studio must have stank like lemons. She was shaking like a leaf and it showed. She's NOT ready. With time, I'm sure she'll become an old pro at giving interviews and being put in the hot seat, ...but she needs way more practice. The type of practice that comes before assuming a position.
She didn't come off to me as tough, ...just a loud mouth. And worse, ...and ignorant dangerous loudmouth. :'(
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I saw a woman extremely scared. I don't blsme her. With the intense spotlight glred on her the way it has been, she was under INTENSE scrutiny, ...but just the same, the entire studio must have stank like lemons. She was shaking like a leaf and it showed. She's NOT ready. With time, I'm sure she'll be come an old pro at giving interviews and being put in the hot seat, ...but she needs way more practice. The type of practice that comes before assuming a position.
She didn't come off to me as tough, ...just a loud mouth. And worse, ...and ignorant dangerous loudmouth. :'(
Well Jag, that's the thing with loudmouths... once you discover and make public that half of their tirades are pure bluff (lies) the deception turns into violence. That is how Bush (via Cheney) became such a mass-murderer and how Palin's solutions to a simple problem are of the "well, shoot it!" caliber (no pun intended). The people are IGNORANT beyond belief and a danger to human existence as a whole, be it Gringos or Mexicans or Ugandans.
And if the decision turns out to be a bad one they publicly shrug it off with a "the Lord told me so" speech and the simpleminded, church going, twinky-addict American goes back to cleaning the crumbs off of his/her overdeveloped abdomen while seating in his/her $ 5,000 Abkhasian leather seat in their two million dollar house feeling like the country is going in the right direction.
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I forgot 240 is at the Zenith of American political knowledge. ::)
I mean afterall, why wouldnt every single politician know what a doctrine created by a columnist that is open to interpretation means? Getbigs 240 or bust knows what it is- I mean Palin obviously is unqualified to be VP. 240 you should try to establish a fourth party and run as VP- The 240 or bust socialist minority coalition freedom for pedophiles and terrorists ticket-- Maybe you can get Tim Robbins to run as prez?
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I guarantee you, and I say this after reading many opinions from many REAL EXPERTS on foreign policy matters, if any one of these two fucking idiots (McCain or Palin) make it to the White House and actually carry out another invasion, NO INTELLIGENCE AGENCY (apart from the Mossad and the Brits) around the world will cooperate with us, which basically means that the extreme violence that we now see around the world (including ours) being carried out by extremists will be pointed toward the US 24/7. When will we realise that our tough foreign policy stance is a mistake? When a nuke goes off in 1, 2 or 5 American cities? Will it be then that we will pressure our representatives to fucking work FOR The People and not carry out acts against other nations that it wouldn't want carried out against ours?
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I forgot 240 is at the Zenith of American political knowledge. ::)
I mean afterall, why wouldnt every single politician know what a doctrine created by a columnist that is open to interpretation means? Getbigs 240 or bust knows what it is- I mean Palin obviously is unqualified to be VP. 240 you should try to establish a fourth party and run as VP- The 240 or bust socialist minority coalition freedom for pedophiles and terrorists ticket-- Maybe you can get Tim Robbins to run as prez?
i give my opinion, but it's worth about as much as the rest of ours, not much.
Now, as far as the Bush Doctrine goes, it's a very real thing, and has been widely discussed in the American media, and defended vigorously by the republicans running the nation. It's Bush's policy. I understand she was too busy raising small kids and being governor to keep up on these things, this particular vernacular for it.
But she wants to run the world. When Putin asks her about her position on it during talks, if she tries "in what respect, Vladdie?", it'll be a very bad thing.
I notice you're trying to divert discussion from Palin onto me and tim robbins. I'd probably do that as well, if i had an absolutely indefensible position on this one. She didn't know common terminology for the bush plan. It's that simple. And she tried to bullshit Charlie Gibson on it.
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I forgot 240 is at the Zenith of American political knowledge. ::)
I mean afterall, why wouldnt every single politician know what a doctrine created by a columnist[...]
And what journalist said "you're either with us or with the enemy"? George Walker Bush.
What journalist formulated the 1% doctrine? Dick cheney.
Oh, wait! They're not journalists! They're the president and vice-president...
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Decker. How old are you?
I'm old enough to have known this man personally:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Nietzsche187a.jpg)
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i give my opinion, but it's worth about as much as the rest of ours, not much.
Now, as far as the Bush Doctrine goes, it's a very real thing, and has been widely discussed in the American media, and defended vigorously by the republicans running the nation. It's Bush's policy. I understand she was too busy raising small kids and being governor to keep up on these things, this particular vernacular for it.
But she wants to run the world. When Putin asks her about her position on it during talks, if she tries "in what respect, Vladdie?", it'll be a very bad thing.
I notice you're trying to divert discussion from Palin onto me and tim robbins. I'd probably do that as well, if i had an absolutely indefensible position on this one. She didn't know common terminology for the bush plan. It's that simple. And she tried to bullshit Charlie Gibson on it.
I seriously suggest you read Krauthammer's article http://townhall.com/columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2008/09/13/charlie_gibsons_gaffee (http://townhall.com/columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2008/09/13/charlie_gibsons_gaffee)
He is the first person who is credited with creating the phrase the "Bush Doctrine" and his point is that the meaning of that phrase has changed and means many different things, and that Charlie Gibson's version of it is an obsolete interpretation of the doctrine that is not used anymore.
This is a losing issue for the anti-Palin people, I'd back away slowly from it if I were you.
Another thing is that ABC has shown itself to be horribly biased here. Just look at George Stephanopoulos's softball interview with Obama he did a few days ago. Remember the "muslim faith" thing? Stephanopoulos CORRECTED Obama when he made an error. You do not correct someone your interviewing in order to save them from making a gaffe. Do you see Charlie Gibson doing this for Sarah Palin? Not a chance.
Look I'm not against reporters grilling a candidate, that's what they are suppose to do, but if your only grilling one side and making sure the other side doesn't make a mistake in your interview, you have a serious credibility problem.
The media also seems incredibly curious about Sarah Palin's past, they're going through her past with a fine toothed comb. Which is fine, but please do the same thing with the other guy. I wish the media had 1/2 of the curiosity about Barry Obama as they do about Sarah Palin.
I mean I follow politics closely but I know very little about Obama. What did he accomplish as a community organizer? Why did he stay in a church run by an America hating racist for 20 years? What exactly are his connections with Bill Ayres? Why did he use lawyer disqualify his major opponents when running for the state senate? Why did he vote "present" so often in the senate? What was he taught when he was attending a Madrassa in the Philippines? Did he every worship Allah and Muhammed? Why does he think he can win a national election when he won his Senate seat pretty much unopposed (see the Jack Ryan scandal)? Why does he claim he is going to drastically cut taxes for the bottom earners when they have virtually no tax burden to begin with? What are his connections to the notorious racists and anti-semite Louis Farrakan?
These are questions that a lot of people want to know but are never asked of him. You have to do major research in order to get any idea about this guy but there are straight up lies about Sarah Palin plastered on every major media source in the country, and she's only the VICE Presidential candidate.
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I'm old enough to have known this man personally:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Nietzsche187a.jpg)
That stache is magnificent :o
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(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/em/roll_eyes.gif)
Why is that so not surprising? How about Sam Walton, ...have you ever heard of him?
What's your IQ grandma? :)
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Jag send pics so I can clarify whether or not I should shamelessly attack every point you make or graciously commend you for your intelligence and wit.
Did you know she has a 160 (or 140) or 160 IQ?
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I seriously suggest you read Krauthammer's article http://townhall.com/columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2008/09/13/charlie_gibsons_gaffee (http://townhall.com/columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2008/09/13/charlie_gibsons_gaffee)
He is the first person who is credited with creating the phrase the "Bush Doctrine" and his point is that the meaning of that phrase has changed and means many different things, and that Charlie Gibson's version of it is an obsolete interpretation of the doctrine that is not used anymore.
This is a losing issue for the anti-Palin people, I'd back away slowly from it if I were you.
Another thing is that ABC has shown itself to be horribly biased here. Just look at George Stephanopoulos's softball interview with Obama he did a few days ago. Remember the "muslim faith" thing? Stephanopoulos CORRECTED Obama when he made an error. You do not correct someone your interviewing in order to save them from making a gaffe. Do you see Charlie Gibson doing this for Sarah Palin? Not a chance.
Look I'm not against reporters grilling a candidate, that's what they are suppose to do, but if your only grilling one side and making sure the other side doesn't make a mistake in your interview, you have a serious credibility problem.
The media also seems incredibly curious about Sarah Palin's past, they're going through her past with a fine toothed comb. Which is fine, but please do the same thing with the other guy. I wish the media had 1/2 of the curiosity about Barry Obama as they do about Sarah Palin.
I mean I follow politics closely but I know very little about Obama. What did he accomplish as a community organizer? Why did he stay in a church run by an America hating racist for 20 years? What exactly are his connections with Bill Ayres? Why did he use lawyer disqualify his major opponents when running for the state senate? Why did he vote "present" so often in the senate? What was he taught when he was attending a Madrassa in the Philippines? Did he every worship Allah and Muhammed? Why does he think he can win a national election when he won his Senate seat pretty much unopposed (see the Jack Ryan scandal)? Why does he claim he is going to drastically cut taxes for the bottom earners when they have virtually no tax burden to begin with? What are his connections to the notorious racists and anti-semite Louis Farrakan?
These are questions that a lot of people want to know but are never asked of him. You have to do major research in order to get any idea about this guy but there are straight up lies about Sarah Palin plastered on every major media source in the country, and she's only the VICE Presidential candidate.
Good post. Good points. The media has been infatuated with Obama.
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I seriously suggest you read Krauthammer's article http://townhall.com/columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2008/09/13/charlie_gibsons_gaffee (http://townhall.com/columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2008/09/13/charlie_gibsons_gaffee)
He is the first person who is credited with creating the phrase the "Bush Doctrine" and his point is that the meaning of that phrase has changed and means many different things, and that Charlie Gibson's version of it is an obsolete interpretation of the doctrine that is not used anymore.
This is a losing issue for the anti-Palin people, I'd back away slowly from it if I were you.
Another thing is that ABC has shown itself to be horribly biased here. Just look at George Stephanopoulos's softball interview with Obama he did a few days ago. Remember the "muslim faith" thing? Stephanopoulos CORRECTED Obama when he made an error. You do not correct someone your interviewing in order to save them from making a gaffe. Do you see Charlie Gibson doing this for Sarah Palin? Not a chance.
Look I'm not against reporters grilling a candidate, that's what they are suppose to do, but if your only grilling one side and making sure the other side doesn't make a mistake in your interview, you have a serious credibility problem.
The media also seems incredibly curious about Sarah Palin's past, they're going through her past with a fine toothed comb. Which is fine, but please do the same thing with the other guy. I wish the media had 1/2 of the curiosity about Barry Obama as they do about Sarah Palin.
I mean I follow politics closely but I know very little about Obama. What did he accomplish as a community organizer? Why did he stay in a church run by an America hating racist for 20 years? What exactly are his connections with Bill Ayres? Why did he use lawyer disqualify his major opponents when running for the state senate? Why did he vote "present" so often in the senate? What was he taught when he was attending a Madrassa in the Philippines? Did he every worship Allah and Muhammed? Why does he think he can win a national election when he won his Senate seat pretty much unopposed (see the Jack Ryan scandal)? Why does he claim he is going to drastically cut taxes for the bottom earners when they have virtually no tax burden to begin with? What are his connections to the notorious racists and anti-semite Louis Farrakan?
These are questions that a lot of people want to know but are never asked of him. You have to do major research in order to get any idea about this guy but there are straight up lies about Sarah Palin plastered on every major media source in the country, and she's only the VICE Presidential candidate.
Unless I missed it, the only guy that has really “grilled” Obama was Bill O’Reilly. And, if Palin goes on his show, she'll get the barbecue treatment as well.
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Did you know she has a 160 (or 140) or 160 IQ?
Certainly higher than yours. :)
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Certainly higher than yours. :)
Why a law school flunky would say anything about a person's IQ is beyond me? :)
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Why a law school flunky would say anything about a person's IQ is beyond me? :)
A personal training special-ed teacher like BB mocking someone who at least got to law school? Ironic!
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Why a law school flunky would say anything about a person's IQ is beyond me? :)
Jesus, you think someone so obsessed with law school would take the LSAT already.
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Even an ed psych guy like you can go to law school, Douche bro.
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Jesus, you think someone so obsessed with law school would take the LSAT already.
So did you get fired when you couldn't pass the bar?
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So did you get fired when you couldn't pass the bar?
I really should have looked for a job, but I couldn't bring myself to do it. So I didn't get fired.
PS, contact LSAT admin and you can live your dream.
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I really should have looked for a job, but I couldn't bring myself to do it. So I didn't get fired.
PS, contact LSAT admin and you can live your dream.
Nah. I'll just continue to mock the arrogant pissant who ironically likes to make fun of other people. :)
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Nah. I'll just continue to mock the arrogant pissant who ironically likes to make fun of other people. :)
What's the irony? I've got some lovely degrees for my parents to frame, and I get to come on her and mock dreamers like you...
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What's the irony? I've got some lovely degrees for my parents to frame, and I get to come on her and mock dreamers like you...
The irony is you're a little dummy, but constantly ridicule people. But you're starting to bore me . . . .
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The irony is you're a little dummy, but constantly ridicule people. But you're starting to bore me . . . .
you can be bored.
but you can't shit on his achievement to get that far.
Fake Palin on SNL tonight, right now...
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but you can't shit on his achievement to get that far.
to be fair, I never did go to law school, but I do have some swanky degrees. :)
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Unless I missed it, the only guy that has really “grilled” Obama was Bill O’Reilly. And, if Palin goes on his show, she'll get the barbecue treatment as well.
Honesty I didn't watch that interview. I can't stand O'Reilly. The guy's a pompous ass and the ambush journalism thing he does is fucking disgusting.
But I even think that windbag would me much more fair towards the Republican and Democrat candidates than the mainstream media people. It's that bad! Bill O'Reilly is one of the most objective guys in media now. Think about that.
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Bill O'Reilly is one of the most objective guys in media now. Think about that.
sad, but i'm starting to agree. Good to have you and your numbers here.
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sad, but i'm starting to agree. Good to have you and your numbers here.
Haha, I see somebody is paying attention to that little tiff The Luke and I are having on that other thread.
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Haha, I see somebody is paying attention to that little tiff The Luke and I are having on that other thread.
That was a pretty solid ass whoopin' you gave out on that thread.
Hard to argue with solid numbers. Especially when they come from multiple sources.
People still try to though. :-\
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sad, but i'm starting to agree. Good to have you and your numbers here.
Oh brother. What nos? Can I get something brief? I'm drinking and trying to figure out if it's worth trying to bang my neighbor before the boss lady gets back... I don't have time to look at his nos, lol, but a summary would be nice.
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i saw he had a ton of stats on the other thread. I didn't read them, was watching ohio state lose. I was happy to see some stats here.
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Here's something interesting I ran across: http://marklevinshow.com/gibson-interview/ (http://marklevinshow.com/gibson-interview/)
This is supposedly the transcript of the Gibson Palin interview, including the stuff they edited out.
Keep in mind this is off of Mark Levin's website, who is a hardcore right winger. BUT, if this information he came across is accurate, then ABC is looking pretty damn bad right now. The stuff that is edited out makes Palin come across as much more informed than she did in the actual interview.
Like I said it's from Levin's website so I'm not going to vouch for its authenticity. But they way things are going these days I wouldn't put this past ABC at all.
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Everybody's got stats (like Douche Bum posting flash polls as if they meant something), but good stats are worth their weight in gold.
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Here's something interesting I ran across: http://marklevinshow.com/gibson-interview/ (http://marklevinshow.com/gibson-interview/)
This is supposedly the transcript of the Gibson Palin interview, including the stuff they edited out.
Keep in mind this is off of Mark Levin's website, who is a hardcore right winger. BUT, if this information he came across is accurate, then ABC is looking pretty damn bad right now. The stuff that is edited out makes Palin come across as much more informed than she did in the actual interview.
Like I said it's from Levin's website so I'm not going to vouch for its authenticity. But they way things are going these days I wouldn't put this past ABC at all.
ANY candidate doing such an interview would have their own recording going the whole time, to keep ABC honest.
If it was skewed/changed, then team mccain should put their transcript and recording online for the world to see and PROVE the media bias. Instead we have one neocon wingnut trying to defend it - when they already defend EVERYTHING mccain does and attack everything obama does.
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What's your IQ grandma? :)
It's high enough to get me into MENSA 8)
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Good post. Good points. The media has been infatuated with Obama.
What do you expect? Look at the alternative. (http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/em/vomit.gif)
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It's high enough to get me into MENSA 8)
Beach Bum = powned ! ;D
NT
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It's high enough to get me into MENSA 8)
Hahahahahahah! And I'm Sean Connery. :) You can't even get your lies about your IQ straight, Einstein. I don't think anyone will ever confuse you with a genius and you definitely are not on par with Einstein. lol . . . Since you forgot you had a 160 IQ, here is a refresher. :)
No... I said my IQ is 160, ...although after reading many of the posters like Nordic,
...I wouldn't be suprised if it has dropped a few points. HA! ;D
Are you seriously saying you have the IQ of Albert Einstein?
"Einstein was considered to 'only' have an IQ of about 160."
http://wilderdom.com/intelligence/IQWhatScoresMean.html
:o wtf?!
{blush} :-[ oh poop! ...I made a mistake. :-[ It's actually 140, not 160.
My mistake. It's only 140. I knew it was a number that just barely squeeked me into the category of "genius", but I'm not claiming to be on the same level as Einstein. It's no big deal, it's just a number that represents potential.
Thanks for posting that link BB.
{blush} :-[ Oh man, ...I can just see this now. You'all are never gonna let me live this down are you? {lol}
1st of all, IQ really means nothing to me. If it did, I probably would have remembered it.
2nd I had no idea Einstein's IQ was 160. When I read that, I realized there was no way I was on par with Einstein.
3rd I know my IQ is the bare minimum that places me in the 'genius' category by the skin of my teeth. When I saw the link BB posted, I realized the number was infact 140 and not 160. It was an error on my part. Even a genius like me can make the occasional error. ;)
I pulled it because I thought that was what it was.
Dah YA!
When I saw that that was the same as Einstein's I thought to myself "That can't be right". When I clicked the link that BB posted, I realized the 'genius' category is 140, not 160. that was when I realized I had made an error.
Twas a simple error ...no more. But I can see you're going to try to milk it as long as you can.
If your life is that boring that you can derive some type of pleasure from this, ...who am I to deprive you?
What a mundane existence you must enjoy ;)
I might just take your advice on this, ...but first, I'll self pwn myself even further.
Seems the number 160 was in my mind for a reason. It was indeed my IQ score, not 140 afterall. {blush} :-[
it could be that different tests have different scoring systems? I don't know.
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Hahahahahahah! And I'm Sean Connery. :) You can't even get your lies about your IQ straight, Einstein. I don't think anyone will ever confuse you with a genius and you definitely are not on par with Einstein. lol . . . Since you forgot you had a 160 IQ, here is a refresher. :)
Jesus Stalker Christ!
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Good thing jag's in Canada.