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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: michael arvilla on September 13, 2008, 07:31:40 PM
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something was "off" (Luke looked crazy in those "weeks -out" pics)
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not good. not good in any way
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Hey Mike, does it look to you like he lost muscle all over? His conditioning was pretty bad too, but he looks very stringy.
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WOW! He lost alot of size from what he used to compete at, I wonder what happened. He looked massive a few weeks ago. Thats too bad.
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not good. not good in any way
Definitely, he should not have walked out on stage looking like that after we all saw his weeks out pics
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Hey Mike, does it look to you like he lost muscle all over? His conditioning was pretty bad too, but he looks very stringy.
yea i mean look at these pics from 8 weeks out!!!
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does a pro have to compete if they sign up for a show, i mean can they back out for no reason and have no consequences?....Tryin to figure out why he just didnt pass on this show.
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damn what the hell happened to him? :o
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woah...what happened ??? :o
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wtf... lol
all drugs
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Thats a shame for Luke. His pics from a few weeks ago were awesome. He looked massive. I wonder what happened...
Either way i feel sorry for Luke. All that hard work for something to go wrong right at the last stage.
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still bigger than 99.99 percent of getbig
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How do you go from looking like Olympia material to looking like you wouldn't even win a local show, this is hard to believe, I mean Levrone the actor doesn't even look this bad.
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yea i mean look at these pics from 8 weeks out!!!
Yeah i've seen those. He looked so full there. Maybe somebody hit the t3 and treadmill too hard.
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still bigger than 99.99 percent of getbig
VERY TRUE.
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:o
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Weird... :(
Looks like he lost 20lbs of muscle...
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Looks like the bodyfat stayed the same, and the muscle went.
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:o
Those are not photos from 8 weeks out of this show, maybe a previous show, but certainly not this one.
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even the tanning is fucked up
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Those are not photos from 8 weeks out of this show, maybe a previous show, but certainly not this one.
i got em from Milo's board ( i like Luke not trying to knock him/just wondering what happened)
pics said "8 weeks out" they were posted in the "Atlantic City Pro Show board
ill get a link
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Those are not photos from 8 weeks out of this show, maybe a previous show, but certainly not this one.
THe thread is called " 8 WEEKS OUT FROM ATLANTIC CITY PRO SHOW"
http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?topic=10998.240
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Looks bad in the before pics. Looks real bad in the after pics.
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Looks bad in the before pics. Looks real bad in the after pics.
looks bad on-stage.....................looks great (imo) at 8 weeks out!!
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THe thread is called " 8 WEEKS OUT FROM ATLANTIC CITY PRO SHOW"
http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?topic=10998.240
So you are dead serious? HOWHOW HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW HOWHOWHOW HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW?
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So you are dead serious? HOWHOW HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW HOWHOWHOW HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW?
I don't have an answer for this.................... ..........Milos???? Luke?
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I don't have an answer for this.................... ..........Milos???? Luke?
The thread title is '8 weeks out' but those pics are like a couple of weeks back or so.
Too many diuretics probably.
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I'll take Luke 8 weeks out! Bay likey! :P
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The thread title is '8 weeks out' but those pics are like a couple of weeks back or so.
Too many diuretics probably.
All the diuretics in the world would cause this, this so confusing.
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The thread title is '8 weeks out' but those pics are like a couple of weeks back or so.
Too many diuretics probably.
that's even worse tho...................he looked like a freak at 2 weeks out then lost it all!?
8 weeks out i can kinna see/he peaked too early and couldn't hold on to it (still don't explain that dramatic loss tho)
strange
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Wow, what happened to him? :-\
I feel bad for him. He seems like a good dude from the boards.
But maybe this just aint his thing. :'(
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All the diuretics in the world would cause this, this so confusing.
If you drop 20lbs with Lasix for example it will look like you just lost 20lbs of muscle if you are already dry and extremely lean like Luke was. Muscle = mostly water.
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that's even worse tho...................he looked like a freak at 2 weeks out then lost it all!?
8 weeks out i can kinna see/he peaked too early and couldn't hold on to it (still don't explain that dramatic loss tho)
strange
Maybe he got the usual stomach virus (read: shitting and puking your brains out due to diuretics)? :D
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Laura did what she did (im computer illiterate)
she says those "8 weeks out pics" were taken August 31 2008 with a Nikkon camera
so luke looked incredible at 2 weeks out then lost it all?!?!??!??!?!?!
doesn't make sense to me
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Laura did what she did (im computer illiterate)
she says those "8 weeks out pics" were taken August 31 2008 with a Nikkon camera
Please ask Laura how you look up the info found in the pic (camera, date, etc). Haven't figured out that either.
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If you drop 20lbs with Lasix for example it will look like you just lost 20lbs of muscle if you are already dry and extremely lean like Luke was. Muscle = mostly water.
Bro dropping 20 pounds of water and looking flat is one thing, but dropping water wouldn't cause you to look like you put on fat, I mean diuretics still should make you look leaner even if you overdo them.
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Please ask Laura how you look up the info found in the pic (camera, date, etc). Haven't figured out that either.
she was right clicking on the picture/then going to properties
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she was right clicking on the picture/then going to properties
I can't find all that info doing that, either in Firefox or Explorer. All I get is location, size, type.
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Bro dropping 20 pounds of water and looking flat is one thing, but dropping water wouldn't cause you to look like you put on fat, I mean diuretics still should make you look leaner even if you overdo them.
Do you think he put on fat and/or lost muscle tissue (not just water)? What do you think happened here?
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Do you think he put on fat and/or lost muscle tissue (not just water)? What do you think happened here?
Your probably right, but I just can't get over this, this is so disturbing, unbelievable. I am in the middle of my diet and I already have everything mapped out like clockwork on how everything is going to go and seeing this just makes me want to hang it all up.
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I saw Luke in the gym two weeks out, he was in insane condition, he peaked way too early for this show and couldn't hold it.
Plain and simple, a bad miscalculation. Too bad because he was huge and ripped like crazy.
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Laura did what she did (im computer illiterate)
she says those "8 weeks out pics" were taken August 31 2008 with a Nikkon camera
http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?topic=10998.msg139941#msg139941
Milos posted those pics on that day and as you can see here, he says: TODAY
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I really don't want to bash Luke, but I can feel the excuses coming on of mystery viruses etc. Maybe Hank Wood was right regarding Luke.
Luke really needs to work on his weakness. His physique has little flow. The fdb is the most telling of all shots. And the pointy rear delts are a bad look. All the best to him, but needs to take some time off.
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I really don't want to bash Luke, but I can feel the excuses coming on of mystery viruses etc. Maybe Hank Wood was right regarding Luke.
Luke really needs to work on his weakness. His physique has little flow. The fdb is the most telling of all shots. And the pointy rear delts are a bad look. All the best to him, but needs to take some time off.
He already did... :-\
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Milos fucked him up
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He already did... :-\
Well something aint doing right. There is something wrong when you are in great condition at x weeks out, and then decide that you have to change your strategy. If it is working, stick with it. Stop messing around with stuff. Luke is seriously in need of some ab training also. Even when ripped his abs are incredibly flat.
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i thought i was the only one that fucked up my prep that bad.
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Luke really needs to work on his weakness. His physique has little flow. The fdb is the most telling of all shots. And the pointy rear delts are a bad look. All the best to him, but needs to take some time off.
That's what he did - he recently took some time off and downsized for a while.
"Working on his weaknesses" won't change anything. No pro changes their proportions. It's genetics.
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That's what he did - he recently took some time off and downsized for a while.
"Working on his weaknesses" won't change anything. No pro changes their proportions. It's genetics.
Well then he is screwed. Well he should work on his mental state, no reason to do all this extreme sodium/carb/diruetics shit at the last minute to fuck everything up.
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If I were Luke, I'd be parting company with Milos. He looked good prior to arriving in California, since arriving he's not improved.
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poor guy he seems like a good dude. killing himself over a 'sport' which gives little back for what he is putting himself through
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They always look better in the "X weeks out" pictures. All lighting and angles.
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Please ask Laura how you look up the info found in the pic (camera, date, etc). Haven't figured out that either.
I looked up the EXIF data. The picture was taken August 31st, 2008 at 11:25AM.... 13 Days ago. :-\
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Milos fucked him up
agreed...
I mean most of the pros that Milos train were either:
going down in places
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gone up after severing the relationship with Milos
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Maybe he "encountered" some health problems?
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From Palumbo's Prejudging play-by-play:
LUKE WOOD: looks like he lost muscle........ he's shaking onstage.......... he's hard but completely flat and undersized..
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Those gym shots Luke posted a month or so ago were simply freaky. Maybe he had to go off the drugs for some reason, or couldn't train.
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Did luke have to fly over to Atlantic city from Aus, or was he already over in the states?
There have been a few pros who have had difficuilties trying to balance the last few days of contest prep with a big international flight...
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sucks for him cause he looks great in gym pics.
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Like others have said ----> WOW
that incredible grainy, old man look 8 weeks out was concerning in itself......now this.....this is not the Luke of old....
someone screwed up big time
I'm pointing the finger at Milos....
Luke should forget about the downsizing rubbish.....it doesn't work for these top flight bber's.....you can't go from being massive, back to a point in size that you passed on the way up....that you passed 2-3-4 years ago on the way up.....it doesnt work like that....Ronnie 2007 perfect example....the muscles lose their fullness and lines and start to blend into each other......the projectory for all these IFBB guys is forwards and onwards.......you want the huge aesthetic look, fine, but you should have thought about it on the way UP.....
come on Luke, dont fall for the Milos shit.....lift big, get huge and shredded...someone like Charles Glass' approach.......piss Milos off and his witches broths....and I've seen that ridiculous super-setting bullshit he promotes....nothing but pump........and then it becomes the illusion of the pump....I can hear Milos after a w/o "see guys, see the blood, this is the way".....oh yeahhhhhhhhh, and that chemical soft-drink you get them to take.....WANKER!.....these guys did perfectly well for several or more years lifting weights before they met Milos....they need refinement, they dont need a radical change from what works best for the them.....
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I like Milos and think he is quite a smart guy, but maybe it's best if Luke and Milos go they're seperate ways. Thats 2 years in a row Luke has fucked it up come show time. He needs to try a whole other approach...
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I like Milos and think he is quite a smart guy, but maybe it's best if Luke and Milos go they're seperate ways. Thats 2 years in a row Luke has fucked it up come show time. He needs to try a whole other approach...
yeah give up. his receptors are fubar
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luke was a standup comedian before he starting in bodybuilding.
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yeah give up. his receptors are fubar
If he could hold his size and conditioning that he had in the 8 weeks out pics, he could be a force. But whenever it gets near showtime, something goes "off"
He doesn't have to hang up the trunks yet, just needs to part ways with Milos and try another approach.
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From Palumbo's Prejudging play-by-play:
LUKE WOOD: looks like he lost muscle........ he's shaking onstage.......... he's hard but completely flat and undersized..
P.I.P.
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He's a lot like King Kamali, doens't have the balance and flow to really be a top contender, besides that they both have issues timing their peak. They may look good in the gym, but on stage it all falls apart. Amazing decline in Luke...did he stop eating??
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All Milos.
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this is the the worst deterioration of a pro in such a short time i have seen in 2 decades
he looks like he didnt train for weeks, had to go off the juice and then hitting the diuretics like no tomoro
i mean it looks like he lost almost 50 pounds
on the other hand its all bad lightning ;)
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Luke should get clean, starting working at the door of an illegal gambling casino, headbutt some people, and maybe enter the Mr Getbig 4.
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Hi,mates
enough is enough
Have a little compassion for him ;)
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Hi,mates
enough is enough
Have a little compassion for him ;)
Good call senor wonton, Luke is in a deep state of mourning after the death of his pet iguana.
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He truly looks like a natural in this show.
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CORTISOL EXPLOSION caused by insulin loading and excessive diuretics, Luke more than likely dropped around 15 to 20 unneccesary pounds, overnight, why, because he would have overdone his loading with insulin and carbs, its a hit miss, and why when you are in better condition than nearly all of the top 5 show day, 8 weeks out would you do it.
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bump
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Crazy change in so few days!
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I was there and was pretty shocked when I saw him on stage. He did look like he stopped his "suppliment regimine" all together. You never know what goes on in these peoples private lives, may have gotten sick or something and had to stop everything, at least he followed through with the show.
Who knows..
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I was there and was pretty shocked when I saw him on stage. He did look like he stopped his "suppliment regimine" all together. You never know what goes on in these peoples private lives, may have gotten sick or something and had to stop everything, at least he followed through with the show.
Who knows..
Um no, probably nothing in his "private life"...just a big bit of a mess up (if you know what i mean) the few days prior...maybe too much (or too little for that matter) of something.
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Um no, probably nothing in his "private life"...just a big bit of a mess up (if you know what i mean) the few days prior...maybe too much (or too little for that matter) of something.
Like I said, you dont know what goes on in their private lives.. Could of been a variety of different things, I still give him props for following through...
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Like I said, you dont know what goes on in their private lives.. Could of been a variety of different things, I still give him props for following through...
You are right, I do not know exactly what goes on in Luke's (he wasn't "around" when i was) life but i do "know" quite a bit of what goes on in some "pro's" lives and mostly some that goes on in the those that work with Milos.
By the way, hi Milos ;)
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He's always looked like shit. He should just concentrate on the gay porn and forget competitive BBing
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You are right, I do not know exactly what goes on in Luke's (he wasn't "around" when i was) life but i do "know" quite a bit of what goes on in some "pro's" lives and mostly some that goes on in the those that work with Milos.
By the way, hi Milos ;)
IM NOT MILOS, IM KING DAMMIT GET IT RIGHT! :P
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IM NOT MILOS, IM KING DAMMIT GET IT RIGHT! :P
HA! HA! HA! Too funny!!!! I was just saying that because i know for a fact he reads GetBig (just no longer posts here) and i never want to disrespect him ;)
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dont tell me another stomach flu
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The difference in his chest is unreal
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That cat is a shadow of his former self.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=234090.0;attach=273892;image)
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That cat is a shadow of his former self.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=234090.0;attach=273892;image)
doesn't look healthy at all in both pics.
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looks like he dropped all gear, but kept on taking t3.
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Damn.
He looks like he is just about competition ready in the 8 week out pics and looks amazing!
Sorry mate. Rest, adjust things and move on to the next show.
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lukes a cool guy, he will probably log on here in a day or so and tell us all what happened. 8)
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He should keep trying, he obviously looks insane a few weeks out and just stuffs up at the last minute.
Maybe he should do the group of shows early next year and plan to come into the Ironman a little heavy.
I don't think he's ever shown up 'off' to a show, just flat, maybe plan to compete a few in a row and the first one in the middle of dieting.
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Damn.
He looks like he is just about competition ready in the 8 week out pics and looks amazing!
Sorry mate. Rest, adjust things and move on to the next show.
Just to reiterate, the "8 Weeks out" pics were taken 2 Weeks ago. :o
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Just to reiterate, the "8 Weeks out" pics were taken 2 Weeks ago. :o
that's nuts! (so he looked insane just 2 weeks ago/wtf happpened in just 2 weeks?!?!?!?)
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that's nuts! (so he looked insane just 2 weeks ago/wtf happpened in just 2 weeks?!?!?!?)
I don't know, but I do know I saw him the day the day those pics were taken, he was huge and ripped, IMO he just peaked too early and couldn't hold it...
But he is a hell of a nice guy, so good luck to him in the future.
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Luke speak on this.
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Honestly man................if he didn't eat,didn't train and stopped all supplements i would not have believed in 2 weeks he could go from big,freaky,full,grainy ripped to...................... .
what he displayed on stage
very strange
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Honestly man................if he didn't eat,didn't train and stopped all supplements i would not have believed in 2 weeks he could go from big,freaky,full,grainy ripped to...................... .
what he displayed on stage
very strange
Yes it is, we'll have to wait for someone to speak on what happened.
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Honestly man................if he didn't eat,didn't train and stopped all supplements i would not have believed in 2 weeks he could go from big,freaky,full,grainy ripped to...................... .
what he displayed on stage
very strange
i've gone from a shredded 237lb. on wednesday to a flat drained 212 on saturday, so i know how he must feel.
rik
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i've gone from a shredded 237lb. on wednesday to a flat drained 212 on saturday, so i know how he must feel.
rik
was the loss this drastic/dramatic????
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was the loss this drastic/dramatic????
pretty drastic, very humiliating. ya feel like handing the judges pictures from 3 days before. trouble is i would do it more often than not. normal dehydration techniques would deplete my intramuscular water, leaving me small and flat.
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haz................you lost 25 lbs in 3 days?!?!?
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Luke must be feeling sad :(
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haz................you lost 25 lbs in 3 days?!?!?
yeah, at more than one show. never did look right on stage.
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Maybe he was working on one of those reverse before after scenarios, so he could land a big MuscleTech sponsorship :-\.
Smart man thinking beyond the contest prize money :D.
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this has nothing to do with wood,and of respect for him i will not comment,but lets take lee labrada yes he was way smaller than luke but was a fantastic pro bber ,how come he never ,ever had this problem with peaking and placing top 5 more times than one can count,yes the drug regimine has surpassed the norm but what else?
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From Milos:
I will gladly share with all of you what happened - and I am sure Luke will be glad to tell everyone what really happened...
Needless to say - it was devastating to even watch him...and what photos can't show - all of us that had a chance to be around him - witnessed how Luke was really feeling each and every day in his last two weeks of preparation...
If I would tell you guys that he was EATING LIKE FOOD IS GETTING OUT OF STYLE...that he didn't do any cardio in last 10 days...hadly trained...and also DID NOT TOUCH ANY KIND OF DIURETICS - would you believe me?
While I can't go into great detail at this point (I just returned from my trip and have soooooo much to do...) I will share with you this much:
Many bodybuilders (majority of competitors that I know...me included...) in their contest preparation use specific THYROID medication protocol...(namely: T3 - CYTOMEL or TRIACANA...+ T4 - SYNTHROID, TEVOTHYROXINE) to pharmacologicaly enhance metabolism - in effort to get leaner and loose some body fat...
So, that is something that everyone considers pretty much normal...
However, IF anyone attempts to abuse thyroid - results could be devastating...
What I've learned from Luke - upon his arrival to California is that he feels some strange exhaustion lately and that he is running out of breath quite easily...
Also, he was always hot, sweating just way too much and way more than ever before...and certainly much more than ordinary...
First thing I asked him was to hit few posses - so I could asses his condition...and when he did that - I was speechless...Luke was in THE MOST INCREDIBLE CONDITION I have ever witnessed...Absolutely "skinless" yet - big, full and hard...Winning combination any which way you look at it...The only problem was: he could not hit any pose without shaking uncontrollably...
When I asked him "how come you are shaking so much?" - he answered - " I really don't know what is happening to me...but last few days I am running out of breath doing simplest things...and I have no energy for the life of me..."
I asked him: "Well, are you doing anything different?"...thinking our usual stuff...and he told me - NO....
Than why would you shake like a leaf? I asked....
"Mate - I have no idea...but this has to stop - as I don't know how would I last during the prejudging?"
OK Luke - how much thyroid are you taking?
Not much...just 2 + 2 / that means in "our terminology" 2 tablets of T3 and 2 tablets of T4 daily...(T3 or "cytomel" comes in 25 mgc per tablet and T4 or "synthroid" comes in 50 or 100 mcg per tablet...
Well, that is OK I guess...so what's next?...
By process of elimination I would have analyze everything he was doing/taking just to find out WHAT in the world is doing "IT" to Luke...until I realized - CATASTROPHIC NEWS...
Compounded pharmaceuticals Luke got a hold of as his substitute for CYTOMEL and SYNTHROID... had 2.5 and 10 per tablet...ONLY PROBLEM IS:
NOT mcg (micrograms) but mg (milligrams)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now to understand this - you must calculate:
2 tablets of 2.5 mg of T3 = 5 mg of T3 (which is: 5000 mcg of T3 - equivalent to 200 tablets of CYTOMEL per day!!!!!)
Add to this 2 tablets of 10 mg of T4 (or 20000 mcg of T4)...and you'll understand WHAT WAS GOING ON...
What is worse -- it is still NOT OVER...
Luke is trying his hardest to re-establish NORMAL levels of thyroid...but that will take some time...
I will wait for him to jump in and explain few things - but for the time being - I wanted to inform all of you - before rumors reach "epic proportions"...
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If you think about that, Luke probably lucky to be alive
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oh... u mean thyroid stimulation can be dangerous? u all get pissed at me when i bring up major health issues with exotic chemicals, but Luke is living proof of what i mean. fucking idiot dont even respect his own health
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The thread.......
http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?topic=11283.0
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oh... u mean thyroid stimulation can be dangerous? u all get pissed at me when i bring up major health issues with exotic chemicals, but Luke is living proof of what i mean. fucking idiot dont even respect his own health
Dam I know bodybuilders aren't the smartest people going around, but that is down right stupid getting that shit mixed up. If you going to fuck with your body like that, at least pay attention to what you are taking.
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Mistaking mcg's for mg's? I suppose...
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From Milos:
I will gladly share with all of you what happened - and I am sure Luke will be glad to tell everyone what really happened...
Needless to say - it was devastating to even watch him...and what photos can't show - all of us that had a chance to be around him - witnessed how Luke was really feeling each and every day in his last two weeks of preparation...
If I would tell you guys that he was EATING LIKE FOOD IS GETTING OUT OF STYLE...that he didn't do any cardio in last 10 days...hadly trained...and also DID NOT TOUCH ANY KIND OF DIURETICS - would you believe me?
While I can't go into great detail at this point (I just returned from my trip and have soooooo much to do...) I will share with you this much:
Many bodybuilders (majority of competitors that I know...me included...) in their contest preparation use specific THYROID medication protocol...(namely: T3 - CYTOMEL or TRIACANA...+ T4 - SYNTHROID, TEVOTHYROXINE) to pharmacologicaly enhance metabolism - in effort to get leaner and loose some body fat...
So, that is something that everyone considers pretty much normal...
However, IF anyone attempts to abuse thyroid - results could be devastating...
What I've learned from Luke - upon his arrival to California is that he feels some strange exhaustion lately and that he is running out of breath quite easily...
Also, he was always hot, sweating just way too much and way more than ever before...and certainly much more than ordinary...
First thing I asked him was to hit few posses - so I could asses his condition...and when he did that - I was speechless...Luke was in THE MOST INCREDIBLE CONDITION I have ever witnessed...Absolutely "skinless" yet - big, full and hard...Winning combination any which way you look at it...The only problem was: he could not hit any pose without shaking uncontrollably...
When I asked him "how come you are shaking so much?" - he answered - " I really don't know what is happening to me...but last few days I am running out of breath doing simplest things...and I have no energy for the life of me..."
I asked him: "Well, are you doing anything different?"...thinking our usual stuff...and he told me - NO....
Than why would you shake like a leaf? I asked....
"Mate - I have no idea...but this has to stop - as I don't know how would I last during the prejudging?"
OK Luke - how much thyroid are you taking?
Not much...just 2 + 2 / that means in "our terminology" 2 tablets of T3 and 2 tablets of T4 daily...(T3 or "cytomel" comes in 25 mgc per tablet and T4 or "synthroid" comes in 50 or 100 mcg per tablet...
Well, that is OK I guess...so what's next?...
By process of elimination I would have analyze everything he was doing/taking just to find out WHAT in the world is doing "IT" to Luke...until I realized - CATASTROPHIC NEWS...
Compounded pharmaceuticals Luke got a hold of as his substitute for CYTOMEL and SYNTHROID... had 2.5 and 10 per tablet...ONLY PROBLEM IS:
NOT mcg (micrograms) but mg (milligrams)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now to understand this - you must calculate:
2 tablets of 2.5 mg of T3 = 5 mg of T3 (which is: 5000 mcg of T3 - equivalent to 200 tablets of CYTOMEL per day!!!!!)
Add to this 2 tablets of 10 mg of T4 (or 20000 mcg of T4)...and you'll understand WHAT WAS GOING ON...
What is worse -- it is still NOT OVER...
Luke is trying his hardest to re-establish NORMAL levels of thyroid...but that will take some time...
I will wait for him to jump in and explain few things - but for the time being - I wanted to inform all of you - before rumors reach "epic proportions"...
jesus...Hope everything comes back within normal ranges...It was obvious that something wasn't right...Best wishes to Luke
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Mistaking mcg's for mg's? I suppose...
I wonder who helped him open the child-proof containers.
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Why in the world is that type of pill produced in such massive dosage per pill?
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Why in the world is that type of pill produced in such massive dosage per pill?
On rereading Milso's post it appears that Luke was happily ingesting some unmarked shit he knew nothing about.
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serious fuck up. he is lucky to be alive. thyroid overdose is a very bad feeling.
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On rereading Milso's post it appears that Luke was happily ingesting some unmarked shit he knew nothing about.
Ya I know but that pill serves a purpose and I want to know what its made for in that massive amounts, like what type a person would you have to be for that pill to serve a purpose for you.
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wow, hope his levels get back to normal in a hurry.
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Ya I know but that pill serves a purpose and I want to know what its made for in that massive amounts, like what type a person would you have to be for that pill to serve a purpose for you.
Milos said "compounded pharmaceutical ... substitute"... sounds like luke got some raw shit that was not processed for human consumption and happily ingested it. Although why it would be in pill form is beyond me. Seems like there's more to this story than meets the eye. I guess Milos doesn't want to portray Luke as having the intelligence of a five year old.
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Milos said "compounded pharmaceutical ... substitute"... sounds like luke got some raw shit that was not processed for human consumption and happily ingested it. Although why it would be in pill form is beyond me. Seems like there's more to this story than meets the eye. I guess Milos doesn't want to portray Luke as having the intelligence of a five year old.
Compounded?...oh got it, what a mess.
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that is one of the most fucked up "transformations" along with the explanation for it I think I have ever heard of... just when you thought you had seen/heard it all.. crazy shit.
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Ya I know but that pill serves a purpose and I want to know what its made for in that massive amounts, like what type a person would you have to be for that pill to serve a purpose for you.
Agreed. I'd guess it was actually lose powder and not an actual pill (as mentioned above).
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how the hell do you confuse mg's and mcg's? You take a thousand pills per day instead of one? You take 1000 ml of injectables instead of 1 ml? Not to mention the cost of upping your dose thousand fold.
I find that hard to believe
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I was in Australia in early 2001 & 2002. he is one of the biggest drug dealers there. He use to be on over 10g of steroids a week. Testosterone dosage was over 5 grams per week. And now he looks like shit. So I guess he drop the test to grand a week
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Milos said "compounded pharmaceutical ... substitute"... sounds like luke got some raw shit that was not processed for human consumption and happily ingested it. Although why it would be in pill form is beyond me. Seems like there's more to this story than meets the eye. I guess Milos doesn't want to portray Luke as having the intelligence of a five year old.
Bingo, plus with bodybuilders propensity to exaggerate numbers, likely that Luke perhaps didn't just take 2 + 2, but took more.
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so when he was in thailand he took normal T3 and then when he came to the states he took the compound shit, and thats stuffed him up, thats ridiculous, were supposed to believe that theres no standard t3 in Fullerton he could have taken, ive seen t3 eat guys up pre comp when they drop off the hgh, hgh seems to be very anti catabolic and allow you to use more thyroid without losing muscle, but when you drop it, it just eats you up, no matter what your mgs are, the explanation fits the photos.
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sarcev's explanation is BS
if Wood was taking 2x 10mg of T4/day for weeks that is 20000 micrograms/day , let alone T3
normal dose for person with hypothyroidism is anywhere from 50 to 250 micrograms/day
so if u believe sarcevs story Wood shld be dead or close to death
and yes, i too have heard stories of Wood's mega dosing and being one of the biggest dealers in australia
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I was in Australia in early 2001 & 2002. he is one of the biggest drug dealers there. He use to be on over 10g of steroids a week. Testosterone dosage was over 5 grams per week. And now he looks like shit. So I guess he drop the test to grand a week
WOW......awesome gossip.....you're the man
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Luke posted this on Anabolex Aussie corner forum
http://www.anabolex.com/forums/aussie-corner/41161-lukes-explaination-milos.html
Firstly thankyou so much Milos for explaining this! Guys for those who do not buy it or think its a BS story than i don't really care! No one is more gutted or more upset than me! 3 weeks out of this show i was in the shape of my life and very confident of not nly being at my all time best but actually qualifying for the Olympia! BUT!! I knew about 4-5 weeks out that something was not right! I got some Thyroid from a sorce i will not disclose! (no one would know them anyway) Yes it was dumb and i am only human! I had some bad exprience sometime back with thyroid and (2004 Aussie GP) and it ate me alive as i was taking stupid amounts. Since than i use very, very little of it. I hate the stuff but sometime when we want something so bad we turn a blind eye and do DUMB thngs!
While i was in Thailand i was using a small does of pharmacetical grade t4 (150mcg/day). I had this other home made stuff and i thought why not just add a little. This was about 6 weeks out. I was all ready way ahead and for the life of my i have no idea when i took it but thats the devil on your shoulder telling you that can be harder and harder..... Me thinking that i was taking 25mcg /day was so far from the truth!! The thing is that for the first 2 weeks i just got so shredded and my energy was ok!!! and i was eating 1,000g carbs /day as i was getting harder and harder. Abiut 4 weeks out of the show i was getting very, very tired!!! by the time i got to Cali to see Milos i was more than ready to get one stage!!! Milos said and i qoute, "You are as dry as dorian"!!! We were both confident of top 3! I was receiving emails daily from people all just amazed at my condition. The thing is when i would pose for Milos it was like i was breathing through a needle! I coudld'nt catch my breath and could not stop shaking! I thought it was maybe the clen, so i stopped it completely but i was getting worst! The more food Milos gave me the more i was going catabolic!
I cannot even explain to you how bad i felt! i was looking amazing and was just trying to ignore the symptoms but when i was falling asleep between sets and just so out of it, we knew that something i was doing was not aggreeing and possibly doing damage!
Milos never ever tells BS so what he posted is 1000% true! By the time we found out (milos took me to a specialist who deals with this) the massive, massive doses it was too late! you cannot just stop thyroid cold turkey!! it has to be graudule. The horse had bolted by than as they say and with one week to go i just could'nt hold my weight for the life of me. Even mcdonalds 2-3 times/day!!
I had to come off slowly and i still am with also special medication! When my thyroid was tested 10 days out it was through the roof and resting pulse rate was almost 100! but to the specialist amazement my thyroid was still in good condition when they test for certian damage and they is no permantly damage!! what they call THYROID STORM or THYROID SHOCK! im lucky! VERY LUCKY! I had more blood work done 5 days out and it was a little better reading but still at a ridiculos level to really be able to compete. But i did'nt care i wanted so bad to get on stage! I had so many people supporting me and man i feel so terrible about letting them down! Beleive me guys that if i knew...... i can 100% honeslty say that this is the safest i have ever been for a show! i was so cautious with everything it did except one major thing and really i am lucky to be here!
To all my mates, family, fans and Milos, i am SO VERY SORRY!! i feel very embarrassed and i feel i have let you all down!
I know the main thing is that my health will be ok and it a the near future my thyroid will be back to normal but it does not take the pain away that i worked soooooooo damn hard for this show and all the time i took off and money spend was and feels like a waste! Again i feel let down all you people!
I did prove though that i can come back and show that i can still be a force and can still get on that olympia stage!
There will be no backyard vitamin crap for the Australia Grand Prix and i will be back!
Thankyou all so very much! the support i got and still get really does bring a lump to my throat!
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Lee Preist said this about it:
http://www.anabolex.com/forums/aussie-corner/41161-lukes-explaination-milos.html
Why does luke or anybody need someone.....arent they pros...they should know what to do.....all he had to do 2 weeks out was tan and drop water 24 hours before....all this last minute crap..when will guys learn its all shit......if you look great 3-2 weeks out why change anything..but no ..for some reason you all think you must do some little magic fu ckin trick to look that little bit better ..and pow..look what happens you fuck up.....job well done..........months of dieting and crap ruined.....now i like luke hes a great guy..i just hate seeing people fuck up like that when he looked so good weeks out..he needs to trust in himself and not listen to other dumb girls........just glad your ok luke.......sucks going through all that prep to end up like that.....
Remember its more mental when gettign ready for shows..yes it's hard physically with training ..cardio etc..but the mind is your worst enemy always thinking you must do more or something extra....not the case..i just alwasy keep in simple and dont change anything..if you look good...good smooth sailing from that point on.......i dont carb load or anything just cut water like 17 hours before show is all anyone should do.........just tried of seeing guys looking so great 2 weeks out or 1 week out ...then day of show.. Your like what the f uck happened
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Lee, train luke....
bring the Olympia back to Australia
doing something ridgy didge and help a mate out
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IT's impossible to take this amount of T3-T4 IMPOSSIBLE !!! Except if he takes some other shit to feel better but even that that's crazy.
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bodybuilders are losers.
Yet, you come here every day, post in numerous BBing topics, and seem to know most of the IFBB pros.
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He thought he could make top 3. LMAO What a joke.
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They're not losers if they're doing something they enjoy and getting intrinsic rewards from it. Some pros even make a living out of the sport.
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Something is fishy with this story. Sure it's very possible a UG lab would make such a mistake but from Milos' explanation it sounds like the tabs were dosed like that intentionally. Compounded, as in compounding pharmacy tabs? No way.
If it's true how come he was onstage and not in the hospital on beta blockers etc? A doc would have immediately admitted him instead of letting him compete. Thyroid storm is a life threatening situation, especially at those insane doses!
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i feel bad for luke, heading into the final weeks of the Mr. getbig, i was looking out of this world, then all the sudden i became catabolic ...
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not good. not good in any way
almost looks like a bad natural physique. Especially the upperbody.
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The thing I find strange is why take any compounded T3 or T4 at all? Pharmacy grade T4 and T3 are both very easy to get and cheap "not to mention properly dosed."
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FWIW
What is compounding?
Compounding is any manipulation of a drug beyond that stipulated on the drug label. Compounding should be implemented based on a licensed practitioner's prescription, to meet the medical needs of a specific patient.
Manipulation might include mixing, diluting, concentrating, flavoring, or changing a drug's dosage form to accommodate a specific patient's needs.
Examples of compounding would include:
*mixing two injectable drugs;
*creating an oral suspension from crushed tablets or an injectable solution;
*or adding flavoring to a commercially available drug.
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bodybuilders are losers.
Luke described himself as "lucky"about his thyroid....geez. We should all wish we were so lucky.
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Even Arnold says in his encyclopedia how idiotic it is to manipulate your natural thyroid levels... given T3 will get u results, it is also a double edged sword, as i would say is quite apparent now. Isnt test and winny ever enough? ::)
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There's a new trend out there to "base" with T4 and add a smaller amount of T3 on top of it. The logic being that with T3 you need a little more T4 than you do T3 for them both to work optimally. It's like a 2-stage fat burning. You're burning up everything you put in that way. Just need alot of the other stuff for it to work optimally.
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There's a new trend out there to "base" with T4 and add a smaller amount of T3 on top of it. The logic being that with T3 you need a little more T4 than you do T3 for them both to work optimally. It's like a 2-stage fat burning.
WOOSSHHHH....GUYS BACK 90/80 ERA CAME IN PEELED SMALLER BUT PEELED,TODAY SMALLER AND PEELED GETS BURNED BY LARGE,SYNTHOL,AND FULL .
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Thyroid is something I suggest to never mess with. Even in medically prescribed dosages to patients with thyroid deficiencies, we can see significant side effects when the dose is too high. These dosages are crazy. Guys, don't screw around with your thyroid. In addition to the potential side effects, you can shut down your thyroid production, which can an absolute disaster.
IMO, Luke looked magnificent in 2005 NY Pro...before manipulating so many variables. Back to basics is my amateur and humble opinion.
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I do know them, thats why I'm qualified to call them losers...do you think
ifbb pro's are winners?
Well the ones that win shows...Yes.
The other 99% could be considered this in some aspects.
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guys this kind of mistake is quite common amoung those playing with raw powders. he must have mixed it into a suspention, then forget the amount he used. :-\
i'm sure he wont make that mistake ever again, and look on the bright side - at least it wasn't the insulin he fvcked up or dnp
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From Luke
Yeah ok mate!! i made this shit up! I had a resting pulse rate of 100 plus but i was just making this up!! I could have easily said i took some injectable lasix or massive dosages of DNP or some other excuse but ive ALWAYS told the truth and this the TRUTH! how im still here is beyond me but bottom line i will be back and my true friends know im telling the truth. I dont give 2 shits what you think or anyone else! Im used to having people think the complete opposite so its no skin off my nose
http://www.anabolex.com/forums/aussie-corner/41161-lukes-explaination-milos-2.html#post634744
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From Luke
Yeah ok mate!! i made this shit up! I had a resting pulse rate of 100 plus but i was just making this up!! I could have easily said i took some injectable lasix or massive dosages of DNP or some other excuse but ive ALWAYS told the truth and this the TRUTH! how im still here is beyond me but bottom line i will be back and my true friends know im telling the truth. I dont give 2 shits what you think or anyone else! Im used to having people think the complete opposite so its no skin off my nose
http://www.anabolex.com/forums/aussie-corner/41161-lukes-explaination-milos-2.html#post634744
If you don't give two shits about what anyone thinks then why bother posting it on getbig. Obviously you are going to get carved...at least on this board.
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From Luke
Yeah ok mate!! i made this shit up! I had a resting pulse rate of 100 plus but i was just making this up!! I could have easily said i took some injectable lasix or massive dosages of DNP or some other excuse but ive ALWAYS told the truth and this the TRUTH! how im still here is beyond me but bottom line i will be back and my true friends know im telling the truth. I dont give 2 shits what you think or anyone else! Im used to having people think the complete opposite so its no skin off my nose
http://www.anabolex.com/forums/aussie-corner/41161-lukes-explaination-milos-2.html#post634744
Sorry, but if you feel the need to post pre-contest pics and then go stand on a stage in a thong then obviously you give a shit about what people think. Nothing wrong with it, but to say he doesn't care what anyone thinks is BS. Who the fuck cares about his excuses, he looked like Mike Morris up there, and he and Kamali should get together and talk about how they were in top 3, top 4 whatever...its funny only the C-level pros feel the need to make excuses for their shitty showings, I don't see Freeman bitching about being off for this show.
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He could have saved himself so much pain dieting and cardio the past 8 weeks. He was ready 8 weeks ago. You'd think he would know by now....he's been a pro a long time Very Poor Planning.
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Thyroid is something I suggest to never mess with. Even in medically prescribed dosages to patients with thyroid deficiencies, we can see significant side effects when the dose is too high. These dosages written here are crazy. Guys, don't screw around with your thyroid. In addition to the potential side effects, you can shut down your thyroid production, which can an absolute disaster.
IMO, Luke looked magnificent in 2005 NY Pro...before manipulating so many variables. Back to basics is my amateur and humble opinion.
shootfighter,
I agree with you here. Im sure even friggin dr's that truly KNOW THEIR SHIT wouldnt recommend it even if completely "monitored" for safety purposes.. it may work fine and no probs, but it only takes 1 time to do damage. Do u think the reason thyroid stimulation is so prevelant in bb'ing is due to the "extreme results" u get and totally disregarding the safety of it? Like "well, if Milos says its ok.... its ok".. ::) Personally id stay as far away as possible from it.
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He needs to move forward/concentrate on redemption!
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In addition to the potential side effects, you can shut down your thyroid production, which can an absolute disaster.
Aren't you a doc? You know that comment isn't medically supported. Do you know a lot of patients who shut down their thyroid for life?
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Even Arnold says in his encyclopedia how idiotic it is to manipulate your natural thyroid levels... given T3 will get u results, it is also a double edged sword, as i would say is quite apparent now. Isnt test and winny ever enough? ::)
shootfighter,
I agree with you here. Im sure even friggin dr's that truly KNOW THEIR SHIT wouldnt recommend it even if completely "monitored" for safety purposes.. it may work fine and no probs, but it only takes 1 time to do damage. Do u think the reason thyroid stimulation is so prevelant in bb'ing is due to the "extreme results" u get and totally disregarding the safety of it? Like "well, if Milos says its ok.... its ok".. ::) Personally id stay as far away as possible from it.
Arnold used thyroid hormones. Fact. There are some here who have talked about one doc who "treated" Arnold. He put everyone on thyroid.
Overdosing thyroid is very dangerous. Thyroid gland damage is not common at all.
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Aren't you a doc? You know that comment isn't medically supported. Do you know a lot of patients who shut down their thyroid for life?
i agree, it is not medically supported, in even the most extreme long term usage of thyroid, the ntural production kicked back in within 2 weeks.
however no one has ever experimented with such a massive doseage before.
it wil be interesting if luke's thyroid recovers fully or not, if it does it should put the final nail in the coffin of these thyroid drug doom mongers. :)
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i agree, it is not medically supported, in even the most extreme long term usage of thyroid, the ntural production kicked back in within 2 weeks.
however no one has ever experimented with such a massive doseage before.
it wil be interesting if luke's thyroid recovers fully or not, if it does it should put the final nail in the coffin of these thyroid drug doom mongers. :)
Sure, this is an extreme case... if true this should go in the history books. I doubt anyone took this much thyroid ever, even in suicide attempt. My guess is the thyroid will be fine. There could be some other problems... with the heart etc. But a resting pulse of 100 is nothing. I would've guessed it much higher ODing this much.
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First & foremost, I worry about my friend and am so glad he didn't have a worse issue.
When we adjust thyroid dosages, we wait at least 6 weeks between serum testing...my point is that the half life is longer than many other meds & hormones. I knew two people who had a thyroid crash. 1 went into a myxedema coma (Look it up).
Thyrotoxicosis can be deadly, causing various arrythmias. I've also seen that. At these doses, thats what I'd be worried about.
Bullshit its not medically supported....your used to seeing thyroid abnormalities that have been treated. It can be serious.
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First & foremost, I worry about my friend and am so glad he didn't have a worse issue.
When we adjust thyroid dosages, we wait at least 6 weeks between serum testing...my point is that the half life is longer than many other meds & hormones. I knew two people who had a thyroid crash. 1 went into a myxedema coma (Look it up).
Thyrotoxicosis can be deadly, causing various arrythmias. I've also seen that. At these doses, thats what I'd be worried about.
Bullshit its not medically supported....your used to seeing thyroid abnormalities that have been treated. It can be serious.
Was the myxedema coma a result of thyroid hormone use in previously healthy people (healthy thyroid)? Thyroid hormone use can have severe sides - I'm just commenting on shutting down the thyroid permanently after using it for bb purposes. Do you know of that happening?
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Triacana and Cytomel seem to be the "main two".. but isnt their a disparity between the effects of the two? Even if mild...
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Most of the people that shut their thyroid down for a long period of time are treated with thyroid medicine and then monitored so I don't know how long is average. I suppose it would depend on dose, duration of use, and individual suceptibility. I'd have to do a lit search to answer better.
My basic point is that I've seen some bad cases so I would treat thyroid with great caution.
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In my opinion, he def looks like he dropped his gear completely for some reason.
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Can't wait to see this guy completely off gear. Another "iron warrior". ::)
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Can't wait to see this guy completely off gear. Another "iron warrior". ::)
He was pretty darn close...
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In my opinion, he def looks like he dropped his gear completely for some reason.
In 2 weeks time tho could it really have this much effect?!?!??! (still should be in your system/doing what it does)
look at how full n freaky he is at 2 weeks out!
(even if he laid in bed for 2 weeks until the show he shouldn't look like he did on stage)
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No offence luke but next time the same shit will happen and there will be a different excuse.
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For those reading this thread the last few pages, Van Bilderass is the guy with the accurate info. :)
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I just took a look at the video and although Luke was a mess on stage, I still having him beating Kamali by a single point...
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For those reading this thread the last few pages, Van Bilderass is the guy with the accurate info. :)
He always is.
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I just took a look at the video and although Luke was a mess on stage, I still having him beating Kamali by a single point...
where is there a video of the show?
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I assume it would be very uncommon to have permanent thyroid shut down, typically we see problems for 4-8 weeks...but with thyroid abnormalities, that can seem like a long time and the medical risks are increased compared to altering some of the other hormones. There was one person I knew who had to stay on thyroid medicine after using high doses without medical monitoring. Again, the point is that it can be dangerous.
Take for instance the HTPA. After exogenous androgens, particularly high doses and long duration...you can see some degree of HTPA dowregulation for 3-9 months. I had to look this up in an endocrinology book & worked with an endocrine specialist for a patient with major problems after a prolonged cycle. Of course, we told him to stay away from all anabolics!
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let's say he's telling the truth about fucking up the dosages, but do you think this fool will stay away from that stuff from now on? i say hell no
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In 2 weeks time tho could it really have this much effect?!?!??! (still should be in your system/doing what it does)
look at how full n freaky he is at 2 weeks out!
(even if he laid in bed for 2 weeks until the show he shouldn't look like he did on stage)
You'd be surprised Mike, I've seen guys come completly "off" and in a month they looked like they popped like a balloon.
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You'd be surprised Mike, I've seen guys come completly "off" and in a month they looked like they popped like a balloon.
For a few months after my show i barely trained and ate like shit/everything in sight!,no cardio and i stayed ripped (maybe because it was my first show? and i was so depleted)
2 weeks wouldn't /didn't make much of a difference in my condition (picture was taken months after my show still shredded)
that's why i questioned what happened to Luke
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For a few months after my show i barely trained and ate like shit/everything in sight!,no cardio and i stayed ripped (maybe because it was my first show? and i was so depleted)
2 weeks wouldn't /didn't make much of a difference in my condition (picture was taken months after my show still shredded)
that's why i questioned what happened to Luke
Who knows Mike, all I could say is that I was shocked when i saw him walk out. I couldn't believe that was the same person after seeing the 8 weeks out pics.
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Who knows Mike, all I could say is that I was shocked when i saw him walk out. I couldn't believe that was the same person after seeing the 8 weeks out pics.
me either..................
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Ok, so we are all saying that it was "something else" that was changed on that final day that brought this conditioning to Luke.
Truth is (as explained below by Milos recently) is that the condition you see Luke in on stage at the Atlantic was the EXACT same condition he was in the week out pictures from 3-2 weeks out onwards ONLY the "disaster" of his physiqe was covered up to the world of bodybuilding by first eating a huge calorie meal to fill him up plus photos to be taken with a pump after a workout.
I believe it was soley the T3 and T4 but it was disguised to the fans as to the real effects it was having on Luke.
It just ate him up as explained here by Milos:
After i had asked this question:
How did this effect his condition though?
We understand the overdose, but this was something he was already going through in his "week out" pics but still he looked ripped and conditioned to hell in those pics while going through all this.
What was it that gave the change to his physique - nothing like the week out pictures?
This seems to happen only in the last few hours - why?
...Milos answers:
It was not last few hours - it was EVERY DAY for the last couple of weeks that his body would fluctuate to the point that people would NOT believe it is humanly possible.
Imagine WHAT is happening in the body with 100 times level of ANY MEDICAMENT...let alone 100 times the levels of both THYROID (T3 + T4)?!
I challenge anyone to tell me HOW could someone change so dramatically OTHERWISE...
Luke can give additional details...but I will say this:
Anyone who saw him in last two weeks after two seconds being around would ask him: "Are you OK Luke..?'
Something that started bothering him so much that he actually snapped once and told me - Why is everyone asking me if I am OK...?
Until I would tell him: " Luke, people are genuinely concerned - they see you breathing so hard - it seems like you are being choked continuously - grasping for some little oxygen...You are sweating profusely...and you look like you are going to pass out any moment...Don't be mad at them - many come to me first and ask me with great concern...and all I can tell them is: he'll be OK..."
Photos that I posted along the way were all done after MAJOR Eating + pumping in the gym...and some days he actually looked like he could pull it off...
But, with each passing day he had to add another 1000 calories...and another...and another...and he just had it...
I wouldn't see him for 24 hours and after that time - i would not believe my eyes - he would shrink to nothing...
One day of "loading" would bring some size back...and usually two days would be needed to be back...but just like a balloon - the second he stops eating - he starts deflating...and deflating...and...deflat ing...
For the record:
I had him DOUBLE HIS CALORIES, STOP THE CARDIO COMPLETELY and I would NOT let him take any diuretic, drop the water or sodium...(in case some of the geniuses start speculating that I did "something"...)
I would love to see if ANYONE could screw-up condition, shape and size Luke had 3 weeks out with absolutely ANYTHING - to the point what happened to Luke...
It is impossible even if you try...Even if you do everything WRONG and than some - human body would still have some limitations...However, take 100 times recommended amount of not just ONE thyroid medication but 100 times t3 and 100 times t4 - for prolonged period of time (even short 3 weeks...) and see what happens...You will disappear...in no time!
No power on this world would STOP THE DISASTER - I guarantee it...
I lived it once (to the certain degree...back in 2003...0 and I just saw it for the second time - MOST HORRIFYING EVENT - where physique which could place in top three - in any pro show becomes physique that doesn't belong on that stage...
And the worse thing - it is my close friend...and the athlete...
So, for all of you guys that jump to conclusions - take a moment and think:
How do you think Luke feels about it?
When full years work, incredible sacrifices, strict dieting, crazy workouts...tons of money, time, sweat, blood and tears...go into SINGLE MISTAKE...Taking medication from "underground compounding pharmacy" that made MEDICAMENT intended for suicide - for anyone who would consider taking - without realizing that "genius pharmacist" who should be arrested) made tablets with these amounts of thyroid in them...!
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The post above taken from the "Anabolex Aussie forums"
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When full years work, incredible sacrifices, strict dieting, crazy workouts...tons of money, time, sweat, blood and tears...go into SINGLE MISTAKE...Taking medication from "underground compounding pharmacy" that made MEDICAMENT intended for suicide - for anyone who would consider taking - without realizing that "genius pharmacist" who should be arrested) made tablets with these amounts of thyroid in them...!
Who is necessarily more at fault. The guy that supplies the drugs, or the guy that is taking the drugs. I think in a black market the responsibility is all back on the person taking the drugs. If your willing to take it then its your own fault.
Luke also said something about taking 1000 carbs a day during stages. You think it would trigger that this is not normal.
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Luke at 7 weeks out
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looks like he competed natural this show. mike morris looked also that horrendous in his latest show.
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Proof that extreme carb depleting and loading doesn't work for everybody. He should prep for his next show HIS way 8 weeks late then he'll nail it. Would at least have been in with a shot at the posedown then.
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When you're all drugs, things like this happen. These guys are idiots...period.
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maybe the drugs got fed up and said "hey buddy, we're sick and tired of doing all the work so screw you."
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maybe the drugs got fed up and said "hey buddy, we're sick and tired of doing all the work so screw you."
Brilliant...haha
Yeah, in the end, these guys can barely amass 20lbs on their own. It's honestly fun to watch them run into all kinds of health issue down the road, then go, "But I got my blood work done every month?"
Not the smartest bunch.
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Brilliant...haha
Yeah, in the end, these guys can barely amass 20lbs on their own. It's honestly fun to watch them run into all kinds of health issue down the road, then go, "But I got my blood work done every month?"
Not the smartest bunch.
Luke is 5'11. Do you think that 205 pounds at 8% body fat is realistic if he had trained drug free his entire life?
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Probably Lasix didn't work the "right" way and backfired, among other factors.
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I dont get it he looked so "healthy" ::)
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Luke is 5'11. Do you think that 205 pounds at 8% body fat is realistic if he had trained drug free his entire life?
are you serious? :D
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Luke is 5'11. Do you think that 205 pounds at 8% body fat is realistic if he had trained drug free his entire life?
Of course. It would never happen though. These guys rely on drugs to make it to the gym.
Without them, most wouldn't even train.
True story.
Yes Croatch, only you hold the key in answering this question which countains very specific terms, with a high degree of accuracy
hahah
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what's Luke gunna do now that he's lost the artificial look
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what's Luke gunna do now that he's lost the artificial look
Start searching for new kidneys most likely
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are you serious? :D
Just wondering. ;D
PS - check out this ironage picture of Luke Wood from 1995 just after he turned 19 and compare it to how he looked not even 10 years later! The power of juice. :o
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Just wondering. ;D
PS - check out this ironage picture of Luke Wood from 1995 just after he turned 19 and compare it to how he looked not even 10 years later! The power of juice. :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=234090.0;attach=350869;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=234090.0;attach=350870;image)
Do you guys think Luke was juicing in the 1995 picture?
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My opinion is that he began cycling at around the time that first picture was taken.