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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: kyomu on September 15, 2008, 03:31:22 AM
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IFBB judging criteria is going toward gay taste recently.
I miss real bbing.
HUGE, CUT powerful MUSCLE should be rewarded at first always.
Proportion and gay dance should be at last.
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yuck and yuck.
palumbo is pretty muscular.
so is art atwood.
bb is not about muscle...its about putting together a pleasing physique.
its gone so far off track coz the behemoths figured that in order to compensate for imbalance they had to put muscle on in the other areas...so they slam the drugs and the waist grows..amongst other things...so they need even more size to compensate and so on...
you end up with a massive, ugly stack of muscle.
its not what bb started as- or ever intended to become.
the whole bb circuit is a mess. Marcos is a product of it.
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the whole bb circuit is a mess. Marcos is a product of it.
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true that guy isnt the picture of symmetry
but he is miles better than king kamali
....king should have never placed before him
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yuck and yuck.
palumbo is pretty muscular.
so is art atwood.
bb is not about muscle...its about putting together a pleasing physique.
its gone so far off track coz the behemoths figured that in order to compensate for imbalance they had to put muscle on in the other areas...so they slam the drugs and the waist grows..amongst other things...so they need even more size to compensate and so on...
you end up with a massive, ugly stack of muscle.
its not what bb started as- or ever intended to become.
the whole bb circuit is a mess. Marcos is a product of it.
Yes. You are right.
But the tendency of now is extreme too.
How come tiny Darrem charse could kick his ass?
I understand that Melvin was good and he deserved to win the title.
But, Darrem beating Marcos was pure joke for me.
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true that guy isnt the picture of symmetry
but he is miles better than king kamali
....king should have never placed before him
Hahahaha. Forget about king.
He climbed to that place with his gay dance. ;)
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Yes. You are right.
But the tendency of now is extreme too.
How come tiny Darrem charse could kick his ass?
I understand that Melvin was good and he deserved to win the title.
But, Darrem beating Marcos was pure joke for me.
well darrem has been around longer and more well known not saying its a right way to judge but thats a trend thats been going on for a while
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well darrem has been around longer and more well known not saying its a right way to judge but thats a trend thats been going on for a while
Thats what I am saying. I am saying "enough" to that trend.
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He looked much better than Kamali and should have placed at least ahead of him.
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Almost all these guys should have placed ahead of Kamali. Freeman is a real disappointment though. He looks great on certain pics but overall he never quite gets the job done.
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andreas munzer placed ahead of this marcos fella....
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andreas munzer placed ahead of this marcos fella....
Intersting.
I wish he still alived and we could see them battling out....That would be exciting.
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Yes. You are right.
But the tendency of now is extreme too.
How come tiny Darrem charse could kick his ass?
I understand that Melvin was good and he deserved to win the title.
But, Darrem beating Marcos was pure joke for me.
Looking at the pics above, Marcos is definitely bigger. But better conditioned, no. Better symmetry, no. He does not look as good as Darrem does. He is just bigger. This does not win contests, or allow you to place well in them. Big guy, but great bodybuilder, I don't think so.
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Intersting.
I wish he still alived and we could see them battling out....That would be exciting.
Andreas would smoke Marcos and most top pros.
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Andreas would smoke Marcos and most top pros.
Most probably. Competition was definitely stronger back then. Yates, prime-time Levrone, prime-time Flex, Labrada, Dillett, Ray, Clairmonte, etc...Different times.
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why doesnt jay cutler goes to this show?
imagine if jay cutler would go to every bodybuild show all over the world. he would be a fucking billionair
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Andreas would smoke Marcos and most top pros.
I am a big fan of Andreas but I doubt that he was that good.
His abs were weak and his proportion was not good at all.
Even Marcos has better V-shape than Andreas.
If you dont believe me, post some pic of Andreas double bis.
Plus, Marcos carry way more mass.
But when it comes to condition, of course, andreas.
I dont know who is better.
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Most probably. Competition was definitely stronger back then. Yates, prime-time Levrone, prime-time Flex, Labrada, Dillett, Ray, Clairmonte, etc...Different times.
I've said this for a while now, that we're approaching a re-birth of these types of physiques. The guts are slowly going and the aesthetic physiques are getting more props in the smaller shows. Phil Heath, Dexter, Melvin (when he's on), Victor, Wolf, and so on. Jay doesn't even compare to any of those names, or names you didn't mention. In a few years, the competition will be as strong as the early-to-late 90's across the board.
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I am a big fan of Andreas but I doubt that he was that good.
His abs were weak and his proportion was not good at all.
Even Marcos has better V-shape than Andreas.
If you dont believe me, post some pic of Andreas double bis.
Plus, Marcos carry way more mass.
But when it comes to condition, of course, andreas.
I dont know who is better.
Andreas was incredible at his best. 1994 Arnold Classic was a prime example. His front was near flawless, besides the small chest. He posed the FDB strangely, but still beats Chacon.
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How big are his arms?, I'd say 25''
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Marcos is like a more refined version/modern day version of JP Fux, with better lines and less gut.
I can only criticize marcos on the color of his tan during the prejudging. pics i saw showed him being much lighter than the others.
other than this, the guy is fantastic!
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yuck and yuck.
palumbo is pretty muscular.
so is art atwood.
bb is not about muscle...its about putting together a pleasing physique.
its gone so far off track coz the behemoths figured that in order to compensate for imbalance they had to put muscle on in the other areas...so they slam the drugs and the waist grows..amongst other things...so they need even more size to compensate and so on...
you end up with a massive, ugly stack of muscle.
its not what bb started as- or ever intended to become.
the whole bb circuit is a mess. Marcos is a product of it.
you can't put Chacon in the same category with those two guys, Chacon actually looks like a bodybuilder as opposed to those two clowns.
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if he was as dry as when he turned pro, he would have won the show
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Is it me, or does anyone else see what looks to be an injection mark on Marcos' left bicep when viewed from the front?
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Is it me, or does anyone else see what looks to be an injection mark on Marcos' left bicep when viewed from the front?
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This guy, with a few tweaks here and there, could be a real threat.
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Yes. You are right.
But the tendency of now is extreme too.
How come tiny Darrem charse could kick his ass?
I understand that Melvin was good and he deserved to win the title.
But, Darrem beating Marcos was pure joke for me.
from what ive seen i cant see why darrem didnt win. sure he's smaller than the others but he holds his own in all the poses and shows a much more pleasing, balanced physique than them in certain others.
we've got to get back to the "best physique"...
yes, the best can be the biggest, but it could also be the smallest. this approach where a competitor gets awarded for muscle mass is completely missing the point.
you put mass on in certain areas to balance the package.
where there are several guys scoring the same on all other aspects, the biggest guy wins. ONLY THEN.
thats why for me, dex jackson is the best BB currently...perhaps ever. Levrone was best in his day. Labrada and Haney went neck and neck.
guys like flex wheeler, nasser, king, freeman etc dont rate in my book as they used implants, synthol or have glaring injuries. Thats why marcos to me shouldnt or cant win because he is lacking one calf- amongst other issues.
but hey, thats why we like GB.com everyone has an opinion, right?
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Is it me, or does anyone else see what looks to be an injection mark on Marcos' left bicep when viewed from the front?
No. It's his tan. Whoever did his color did a really bad job. His conditioning would've been showed off more had he been darker. And I agree, top 3.
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from what ive seen i cant see why darrem didnt win. sure he's smaller than the others but he holds his own in all the poses and shows a much more pleasing, balanced physique than them in certain others.
we've got to get back to the "best physique"...
yes, the best can be the biggest, but it could also be the smallest. this approach where a competitor gets awarded for muscle mass is completely missing the point.
Darrem beating Melvin? No way. Melvin clearly had the best package that night. Also, Darrem won the master's division over bigger guys like Freeman and Stubbs. The top 5 of this show was judged well.
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IFBB judging criteria is going toward gay taste recently.
I miss real bbing.
HUGE, CUT powerful MUSCLE should be rewarded at first always.
Proportion and gay dance should be at last.
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_W5Q6519_RGOSVGWKKQ.jpg)
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_W5Q5101_PVTASPDDXB.jpg)
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_W5Q6517_WGBFMVPMMB.jpg)
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_W5Q6523_LBPPTCRYHU.jpg)
FUGHETTAHBOUTIT...THE GUYS A SHMOE... HE'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE IN THE SPORT...
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american judges need to respect more european bodybuilders
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Marcos will be at the Olympia fair (he is an BSN Athlete), so if you want to see him between big boys you can do it next week
Here you can see two pics from 2007 in his debut in Santa Susana - Espaņa
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