Its now Obama 47% to McSame 45%.. And Obamas lead in the electoral map has increased, its now Obama 286 to McSame 252 :D
http://pollster.com/ has obama making gains by 20 electoral this week.
Intrade has mccain 49.8, and Obama at 48.9
Tis close. Methinks Mccain peaked last week though. it's 1984 all over agian.
In light of what happened to the Democratic nominee in 1984, you better hope that's not actually true.
I was referring to a guy being 16 or 18 points down, choosing a woman, and being tied in less than a week...
Only to have that woman's credentials become examined and America realizing she was a gimmic, and giving the other party a landslide of 49 states.
Obviously it'll be closer than that, but I think the more people learn about her, the less supporters she'll have. Just about NOBODY learns more about her and decides "Hey, I'll vote for her!". It's usually them learning about her and deciding she's a very hot version of George W. bush...
Gallup: 47-45
http://www.gallup.com/poll/110446/Gallup-Daily-Obama-47...
Reuters: 47-45
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN16428542200...
Research 2000 / Daily Kos: 48-44
http://www.dailykos.com/dailypoll/2008/9/17
McCain’s Palin bounce is over. Obama’s campaign has taken him back into the lead.
They have worked both hard and smart and they have turned things back around.
The EV's still need work, but there is always a 1-week lag in the EV data. I expect things to turn around there by next week if the momentum continues.
Its now Obama 47% to McSame 45%.. And Obamas lead in the electoral map has increased, its now Obama 286 to McSame 252 :D
“A national poll we can believe in!” or just good business?
snip
Consider these numbers: Obama’s up just 5 in New York, 3 in New Jersey and 2 in Washington. Does ‘thisclose’ in deep blue states add up to “A national poll we can believe in!”?
Obama’s losing ground everywhere, not by a little, but by a lot.
His numbers are crumbling among White men, White women, Catholics, Evangelicals, Independents and his base.
So where are pollsters finding Obama supporters to talk to and report a tied race?
Obama is -12 with White women, a group he desperately has to win by at least double digits. Among White males, even the 36% Al Gore and John Kerry got now looks way out of reach.
Catholics, who will be 26% of voters, are running away from him. He is down 59/36 fully 10 points below what Kerry got.
Evangelicals gave George Bush 71% in 2004, showing what they will do when they support a candidate. This year they have a chance to vote for an Evangelical Christian they are wild about. A 75% support is not out of reach.
With Independents Obama is losing 52/37.
The most telling number for Obama is his disappearing Democratic base support which runs from 86% down to 81%. A new poll from Ohio puts it at just 82%
http://www.collinsreport.net/
If Obama were to ever agree to a debate in an open forum style with no teleprompters, McCain would win by a landslide. But, alas, the great fake Barack doesn't want that.
There will be no teleprompters for the 3 major debates this month and next.
There will be questions asked, with 90, 60, or 30 second responses and rebuttals.
Obama will be about 5 inches taller than Obama, so I think for the first time we're going to see - visually - a major contrast between the men. Will Obama look tall, athletic, young, and energetic? Will 90 minutes of standing leave mccain looking irritated or weak?
Mccain is very personable in sit-down conversations, but he does get pissy when someone directly disagrees with him. I think there will be a few famous moments from these debates that'll sway some people bigtime, one way or another.
Meanwhile, Palin is reading up on Wikipedia for her upcoming trip to the UN ... ::) that bitch is a fraud and McCain (head of the COMMERCE COMMITTEE) could of stopped all this finanical shit from happening ...hahahah
For the first time you have made a well informed post.
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to fix Social Security
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to fix Medicare
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to provide health care to ALL Americans
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to help out Americans losing their homes
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to help all our veterans returning from war
BUT
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out Bears Stearns
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out AIG
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to pay for an unnecessary TRILLION DOLLAR war
More then likely that will happen. He is tall and athletic. But hopefully the public will see past that listen to what is being said.
http://pollster.com/ has obama making gains by 20 electoral this week.
Intrade has mccain 49.8, and Obama at 48.9
Tis close. Methinks Mccain peaked last week though. it's 1984 all over agian.
Again you are right. As a Independent conservative I dont believe anyone should ever be bailed out. You get what you have coming to you.
The only way we can heal is to let the injury run its course learn from it and improve.
The fucking dems caused ALL this.Fanny and Freddy were democrat controlled.THEY wanted to give loans for housing to minorities and those who couldnt afford it.Now they are reaping what they sowed.Once again,libs love to give shit away to those who dont deserve it and cant pay for it.
we probably agree on 98% of issues, my friend.
The problem is that some of these banks are too big to fail. If we're going to guarantee their monies, we need to require them to have some kind of tougher lending standards. People making 25k a year were getting house loans for $250 or $300k. The company knew they would get into troble eventually, but they just wanted to get those heavy fees in 2002, 03, 04, while the gettin was good.
Yes, those people deserve to lose the homes. But if you're going to guarantee the bank loans, then you need to have influence on how they lend.
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to fix Social Security
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to fix Medicare
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to provide health care to ALL Americans
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to help out Americans losing their homes
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to help all our veterans returning from war
BUT
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out Bears Stearns
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out AIG
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to pay for an unnecessary TRILLION DOLLAR war
The fucking dems caused ALL this.Fanny and Freddy were democrat controlled.THEY wanted to give loans for housing to minorities and those who couldnt afford it.Now they are reaping what they sowed.Once again,libs love to give shit away to those who dont deserve it and cant pay for it.
Its now Obama 47% to McSame 45%.. And Obamas lead in the electoral map has increased, its now Obama 286 to McSame 252 :D
“A national poll we can believe in!” or just good business?
snip
Consider these numbers: Obama’s up just 5 in New York, 3 in New Jersey and 2 in Washington. Does ‘thisclose’ in deep blue states add up to “A national poll we can believe in!”?
Obama’s losing ground everywhere, not by a little, but by a lot.
His numbers are crumbling among White men, White women, Catholics, Evangelicals, Independents and his base.
So where are pollsters finding Obama supporters to talk to and report a tied race?
Obama is -12 with White women, a group he desperately has to win by at least double digits. Among White males, even the 36% Al Gore and John Kerry got now looks way out of reach.
Catholics, who will be 26% of voters, are running away from him. He is down 59/36 fully 10 points below what Kerry got.
Evangelicals gave George Bush 71% in 2004, showing what they will do when they support a candidate. This year they have a chance to vote for an Evangelical Christian they are wild about. A 75% support is not out of reach.
With Independents Obama is losing 52/37.
The most telling number for Obama is his disappearing Democratic base support which runs from 86% down to 81%. A new poll from Ohio puts it at just 82%
http://www.collinsreport.net/
Wishful thinking. HEHEHEH!!
If Obama were to ever agree to a debate in an open forum style with no teleprompters, McCain would win by a landslide. But, alas, the great fake Barack doesn't want that.
Its now Obama 47% to McSame 45%.. And Obamas lead in the electoral map has increased, its now Obama 286 to McSame 252 :D
There will be no teleprompters for the 3 major debates this month and next.
There will be questions asked, with 90, 60, or 30 second responses and rebuttals.Obama will be about 5 inches taller than Obama, so I think for the first time we're going to see - visually - a major contrast between the men. Will Obama look tall, athletic, young, and energetic? Will 90 minutes of standing leave mccain looking irritated or weak?
Mccain is very personable in sit-down conversations, but he does get pissy when someone directly disagrees with him. I think there will be a few famous moments from these debates that'll sway some people bigtime, one way or another.
The fucking dems caused ALL this.Fanny and Freddy were democrat controlled.THEY wanted to give loans for housing to minorities and those who couldnt afford it.Now they are reaping what they sowed.Once again,libs love to give shit away to those who dont deserve it and cant pay for it.clinton repealed the fair banking act of 1933 (steigle-glass act of 1933) on nov 12 1999. there you go.
Which electoral map are you tracking?
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to fix Social Security
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to fix Medicare
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to provide health care to ALL Americans
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to help out Americans losing their homes
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to help all our veterans returning from war
BUT
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out Bears Stearns
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out AIG
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to pay for an unnecessary TRILLION DOLLAR war
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to fix Social SecurityYou left out the billion going to the country of Georgia.
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to fix Medicare
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to provide health care to ALL Americans
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to help out Americans losing their homes
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to help all our veterans returning from war
BUT
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out Bears Stearns
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out AIG
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to pay for an unnecessary TRILLION DOLLAR war
Its now Obama 47% to McSame 45%.. And Obamas lead in the electoral map has increased, its now Obama 286 to McSame 252 :D
CNN takes the average of all the electoral polls so they're most accurate
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/10/electoral.map/index.html
and Obama leads 233 to 189 ;)
http://www.politico.com/
its changed to 273 to 265 for Obama.
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to fix Social Security
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to fix Medicare
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to provide health care to ALL Americans
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to help out Americans losing their homes
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to help all our veterans returning from war
BUT
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out Bears Stearns
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out AIG
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to pay for an unnecessary TRILLION DOLLAR war
This shit belongs on the political board but since it's here I will say this:
In order for Obama to win he will need a huge huge lead in the polls. Not just a couple points. Two reasons for this. 1) A lot of white people who support Obama when they get behind the curtain in the polling booth will not be able to pull the lever for a black man. 2) A large portion of Obama supporters are young people, which is great, but they tend not to get out and vote.
Next president of the United States=John McCain.
A few thoughts...
Polls ignore cell phones. Guess who has cell phones? Young people. Old people answer their landlines during the day. They vote mccain.
Mccain's Palin bounce is ending. Obama now leads among white women by 2 points. That's HUGE - the clinton girls are coming back once they found out Palin has nothing in common with Hilary beside boobies.
Florida is currently tied at 48 in polls... BUT... When voters have the ability to also choose Nader, barr, or Mckinney, then Obama leads 48 to 44 (CNN today). There are a lot of people that pick mccain when only given those 2 options, but once they get in the ballot they're picking Barr. LOTS of liberatrians in South Florida.
Also Obama is only down 2 points in N Carolina, a state that Bush won by 12 despite NC's own John Edwards being on the Dem ticket. He's now outspending Mccain 10-to-1 in NC, and chances are he'll snatch it away.
You cited the CNN Poll about Florida. RCP has McCain up by 5 in Florida, which average several polls, INCLUDING the CNN one that has them tied. RCP has McCain up by 9 in North Carolina.
RCP averages?
CNN's was today as the Palin surge goes down. RCP has averages that are over 1 week old?
Coach do you have any original thoughts, or do you just cut and paste from conservative websites?
The fucking dems caused ALL this.Fanny and Freddy were democrat controlled.THEY wanted to give loans for housing to minorities and those who couldnt afford it.Now they are reaping what they sowed.Once again,libs love to give shit away to those who dont deserve it and cant pay for it.It was caused by a complete roll back of the investment banking regulations from 6-7 yrs ago when congress was all republican.
CNN is ONE source; RCP has several sources, many of which are less than a week old.
As it stands now, Colorado is the difference between who wins this election. Obama's ahead by 0.6. That's the difference between a 273-265 Obama edge and a 274-264 McCain edge.
LOL @ blaming Clinton for the uncontrolled borrowing from 02 thru 05.LOL, so true! next they will blame Clinton for staying in Iraq.
Repubs owned white house and the congress. They could do anything they wanted.
yeah I agree that was me. Now that I'm older 26, my views are more conservative. No way I could stand going to college today and getting fed all the liberal crap by most of the professors. When I was younger I didn't know better I thought they were being objective and actually giving us the education we were paying for. But looking back I can't believe how unprofessional and unethical a lot of them were with their liberal bias.
The young and stupid always vote for the liberal. Then when they get older, learn how life works, and come to understand there's no free lunch most of them become conservatives.
The biggest reason the posters on this board are 80+% Obama supporters is that being a bodybuilding board, a disproportionate share of posters here are young.
yeah I agree that was me. Now that I'm older 26, my views are more conservative. No way I could stand going to college today and getting fed all the liberal crap by most of the professors. When I was younger I didn't know better I thought they were being objective and actually giving us the education we were paying for. But looking back I can't believe how unprofessional and unethical a lot of them were with their liberal bias.
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to fix Social Security
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to fix Medicare
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to provide health care to ALL Americans
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to help out Americans losing their homes
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to help all our veterans returning from war
BUT
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out Bears Stearns
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out AIG
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to pay for an unnecessary TRILLION DOLLAR war
I thought election winners were predetermined now.yea, if it's a close election, the republican wins.
Now you're just being stupid, Rob... I expect this kind of sentiment from the kids on here, but you know damn well what happens if we let the financial system melt down. It's not a matter on one bank "failing"... everything's so intertwined these days, that chain reactions are pretty damn easy to start, and that's what we're on the brink of now. Then liquidity dries up, then regular "main street" businesses start to fail because they can't get the capital they need to operate, then people start losing their jobs en mass, then everything snowballs from there and we're back in 1929. Paulson and Bernanke are doing their best to keep that from happening, and media-types who know jack shit about economics who disingenuously present these "bailouts" in the way you just did are not helping the situation.
And while I agree the spending on the war is not helpful, if we'd let Saddam torpedo the dollar or worse threaten oil supplies, we'd have had another problem.
Sure, to most idiots out there, all Mr. Barack "Change but no substance" Obama has to do is wave his magic wand and soon the rivers will all be flowing with milk and honey, there will be a BMW in every driveway, and every high-school dropout will have a $70,000/yr job he doesn't have to work too hard at, but I think you know better than that. We're seeing things threaten our economy and thus our way of life that weren't even on the horizon a decade ago, and hard choices would have to be made no matter who is in office, and we'd be in the current situation even if President Kerry were in the white house.
FL Obama 48% McSame 48%
OH Obama 49% McSame 48%
NC Obama 47% McSame 48%
These are new CNN time research polls just released this evening. McSame had a 5% lead on Obama in FL last week, that is now gone. ;)
Fox just released a poll that has McCain back up by 5 in Florida. And he's ahead by 2 in Colorado.if it stays the same, McSame will win.
More importantly, for both candidates, according to this poll, they are TIED in both Virginia (big concern for McCain) and Pennsylvania (big concern for Obama).
if it stays the same, McSame will win.
Now you're just being stupid, Rob... I expect this kind of sentiment from the kids on here, but you know damn well what happens if we let the financial system melt down. It's not a matter on one bank "failing"... everything's so intertwined these days, that chain reactions are pretty damn easy to start, and that's what we're on the brink of now. Then liquidity dries up, then regular "main street" businesses start to fail because they can't get the capital they need to operate, then people start losing their jobs en mass, then everything snowballs from there and we're back in 1929. Paulson and Bernanke are doing their best to keep that from happening, and media-types who know jack shit about economics who disingenuously present these "bailouts" in the way you just did are not helping the situation.
And while I agree the spending on the war is not helpful, if we'd let Saddam torpedo the dollar or worse threaten oil supplies, we'd have had another problem.
Sure, to most idiots out there, all Mr. Barack "Change but no substance" Obama has to do is wave his magic wand and soon the rivers will all be flowing with milk and honey, there will be a BMW in every driveway, and every high-school dropout will have a $70,000/yr job he doesn't have to work too hard at, but I think you know better than that. We're seeing things threaten our economy and thus our way of life that weren't even on the horizon a decade ago, and hard choices would have to be made no matter who is in office, and we'd be in the current situation even if President Kerry were in the white house.
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to fix Social Security
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to fix Medicare
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to provide health care to ALL Americans
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to help out Americans losing their homes
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to help all our veterans returning from war
BUT
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out Bears Stearns
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out AIG
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to pay for an unnecessary TRILLION DOLLAR war
FL Obama 48% McSame 48%
OH Obama 49% McSame 48%
NC Obama 47% McSame 48%
These are new CNN time research polls just released this evening. McSame had a 5% lead on Obama in FL last week, that is now gone. ;)
Nothing like poll analysis from uneducated Canadians. The Republican Party has carried Fl in 3 of the last 4 elections, and NC in all 4. McCain will win Ohio no problem, as well as Virginia, West Virginia, and Colorado.
Can you even identify Florida on a map? We already know that Dubai is a tough one for you. Here's an idea...get a map and use your finger to point to the area in which you have citizenship. Do you see that it's not the United States? You don't even get a friggin vote!
Your fruity man love can now be redirected towards Will Harris.....your Obama pipe dream is dead.
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to fix Social SecurityAll politics come down to values and you've just made a great statement about what republicans value and what democrats value.
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to fix Medicare
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to provide health care to ALL Americans
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to help out Americans losing their homes
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to help all our veterans returning from war
BUT
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out Bears Stearns
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out AIG
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to pay for an unnecessary TRILLION DOLLAR war
Nothing like poll analysis from uneducated Canadians. The Republican Party has carried Fl in 3 of the last 4 elections, and NC in all 4. McCain will win Ohio no problem, as well as Virginia, West Virginia, and Colorado.That all changed on Sept 15 with the financial meltdown.
Can you even identify Florida on a map? We already know that Dubai is a tough one for you. Here's an idea...get a map and use your finger to point to the area in which you have citizenship. Do you see that it's not the United States? You don't even get a friggin vote!
Your fruity man love can now be redirected towards Will Harris.....your Obama pipe dream is dead.
That all changed on Sept 15 with the financial meltdown.
FL is even and NC is within 2 % Ohio went from McCain uo by 4 to now down by 2.
Fair or not McCain was and is the king of deregulation and unrestricted free trade.
Those policies resulted in the unregulated short selling that was the root of the proble
Do you understand what the words has and will mean? I don't care about September 15th, October 15th, or whatever poll you're reading.
Facts:
Republican Party carried FL and CO in 3 of the last 4 elections
Republican Party carried NC and VA in all 4
Republican Party carried OH and WV last election
200 + years and 43 Presidents and they have all shared one common characteristic....they were all white. This country is roughly 80% white and people make a lot of decisions based on race whether they admit it or not. Hate to rain on your parade, but your about forty years too early.
Those policies resulted in the unregulated short selling that was the root of the proble
Our markets are the measure for the entire world.Is that what you tell your kids?
When we sneeze, everyone catches a cold.
We're hated because it took us less that 200 years to rule the Earth.
It is better to be hated and feared than it is to be loved.
Those policies resulted in the unregulated short selling that was the root of the proble
I disagree Howard... The financial blunder of saying that "Every person should own a home" and then giving loans to those unworthy or at the very least unable to pay, and the banks full well knowing they would eventually not be able to is the root of this problem.
Personally, I believe that any business which can not sustain itself should be held accountable and if that means a fire sale because of bankruptcy, so be it.
so your saying the issues don't matter.the winner is predetermined.
I never uttered the word predetermined. I made factual statements. It also happens to be my opinion that McCain will win the election, and it will not be as close as people think. Is race not an issue? If you don't think that a large number of people will be casting their vote based on skin color...then you're living in la la land. I don't know what religion you observe nor do I care, but if you happen to be Catholic, and receive Catholic newspapers, or listen to Catholic radio you'll easily see why Obama is f'd. Catholic politics can accurately be characterized as the passing of the Democratic monolith...the winning candidate is the one who wins the Catholic vote and it's going to McCain. Obama is cooked.
I didn't think catholics had time to pay attention...I mean with all the attention they give little boys and all.