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We dealt with one administration that ignored our laws.... Palin and her Husband and their staff must be different? I hope when the state Congress starts up again in January they all get held in contempt of court and Jailed.
ANCHORAGE, Alaska - The Alaska lawmaker directing an abuse-of-power investigation of Gov. Sarah Palin promised Friday the probe will be finished before the election, despite refusals by key witnesses to testify, including the governor's husband.
After waiting 35 minutes for Todd Palin and two state administrative employees to appear under subpoena before the state Senate Judiciary Committee, Sen. Hollis French condemned their refusal to testify and the attorney general's broken promise that seven other witnesses would testify who were not subpoenaed.
French said the retired prosecutor hired by the Alaska Legislature to investigate Palin, Stephen Branchflower, will conclude his investigation by Oct. 10. Still, that report will not include testimony from the Republican vice presidential nominee, her husband or most of the top aides Branchflower hoped to interview.
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Sarah Palin's allies hoped the investigation would be delayed past the election to spare her any troublesome revelations — or at least the distraction — before voters have made their choice. Palin's reputation as clean-government advocate who takes on entrenched interests is central to her appeal as Republican John McCain's running mate, and possibly at risk in the probe.
Palin initially promised to cooperate in the investigation, telling the Legislature to "hold me accountable." Lawmakers were investigating accusations she dismissed the state's public safety commissioner because he refused to fire her ex-brother-in-law, a state trooper. She now opposes the investigation.
Palin spokesman Bill McAllister declined to comment Friday. The McCain campaign said there are concerns about the effect of political influence on the Legislature's inquiry and Palin will provide any information needed to a separate investigation by the Alaska State Personnel Board.
The committee subpoenaed six people to appear Friday to testify or meet for private interviews with Branchflower. French said three of those six had complied. Todd Palin, special assistant Ivy Frye and Randy Ruaro, who is the governor's deputy chief of staff, did not.
Todd Palin's attorney sent French a letter Thursday listing Palin's objections to the Legislature's investigation of his wife. Among them, the attorney said, were jurisdiction questions, separation of power issues and an inconvenient travel schedule.
Subpoenas were approved on seven other government employees, but not served because the state attorney general's office had agreed to cooperate, French said. But Attorney General Talis Colberg earlier this week reversed himself, saying the governor declined to participate and that Palin administration employees would not appear.
French said subpoenas will be issued for those seven people, ordering them to testify on Sept. 26.
Witnesses who refuse to testify can be found in contempt under Alaska law. But the full Legislature must be in session, which won't happen until January. That means witnesses can stonewall without penalty beyond the Nov. 4 election, lawmakers said.
One of them, Sen. Gene Therriault, opposed the subpoenas. He said Friday the investigation was intended to uncover whether the governor was justified in firing Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan, and he believes she was.
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Can't wait to get home and crack open a cold one.
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Team Obama ;D
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This stuff doesnt matter. Women are voting for her because she looks good and is a woman.
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This stuff doesnt matter. Women are voting for her because she looks good and is a woman.
Actually the polls are starting to show women are happy a woman is nominated, but she has extreme views and they wont be voting for her
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Bill Clinton - as PRESIDENT - actually had to show up and testify in a civil suit.
Odd that she and her husband believe they are above the law.
Just so you know, they'll do what the republicans have done for 8 years - simply IGNORE investigations.
it might be funny to you repubs, but wait til President Obama decides he doesn't have to answer to anyone...
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240 how do you see November's outcome?
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240 how do you see November's outcome?
If it's close, Mccain wins it.
Personally - I have a few off-the-wall predictions. I think Bin Laden will be found in October. Wraps up the whole Bush Presidency neatly and give McCain a huge boost.
I think Obama will react by pulling Biden from the ticket and adding hilary last minute.
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If it's close, Mccain wins it.
Personally - I have a few off-the-wall predictions. I think Bin Laden will be found in October. Wraps up the whole Bush Presidency neatly and give McCain a huge boost.
I think Obama will react by pulling Biden from the ticket and adding hilary last minute.
Honestley they arent that off the wall. It truly wouldnt suprise me if Bin Laden was sippin mojitos and mai tai's with Carl Winslow, Tupac, Elvis and Dave Thomas at some club med in the carribean
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If it's close, Mccain wins it.
Personally - I have a few off-the-wall predictions. I think Bin Laden will be found in October. Wraps up the whole Bush Presidency neatly and give McCain a huge boost.
I think Obama will react by pulling Biden from the ticket and adding hilary last minute.
Dude, he's been dead for years.
Or maybe they have him "on ice"
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If it's close, Mccain wins it.
Personally - I have a few off-the-wall predictions. I think Bin Laden will be found in October. Wraps up the whole Bush Presidency neatly and give McCain a huge boost.
I think Obama will react by pulling Biden from the ticket and adding hilary last minute.
I have those exact same thoughts... I was thinking Biden would have a heart attack or something and have to with drawl... and Hillary is Named VP...
But I dont think it will be close. I think obama will win pretty easy... after the debates and people REALLY start researching them, people will see McCain is starting to become senile and palin is a disaster of a pick.
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Or maybe they have him "on ice"
We'll see some BS vague photos, claim an airstrike did it. yeah, I think he checked out in Egypt in 2002 as reported at the time - nobody with shot kidneys lives in a cave that long. As soon as he's dead, we lose the green light to bomb anyone we want.
Obama's gaining a lot of momentum this week - see what has happened to palin's approval rating in the last week. Honeymoon's over...
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Biden had a brain aneurism about 20 years ago. So he's always got that card to play. He'd continue being a top senator, but step down to the ticket has the 'grrrrrl power' which has drawl so many shallow voters to Mayor Palin.
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It's nothing more than a political witch hunt. She was wise not to show. Maybe Obama should be subpoened for his relationship with the disgraced former head of Fannie Mae, who donated tons of $ to his campain. The dems will try everything to discredit Gov. Palin.
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It's nothing more than a political witch hunt. She was wise not to show. Maybe Obama should be subpoened for his relationship with the disgraced former head of Fannie Mae, who donated tons of $ to his campain. The dems will try everything to discredit Gov. Palin.
It's actually repubs in alaska that started this investigation long before she was chosen vp.
The case was closed against this state trooper. But he "did her sister wrong", so Palin became governor and tried to re-open his case. When told that's illegal, she and her staff all called local police HQ to pressure him getting fired.
That's illegal.
Plus, she initially said she had nothing to hide, and she wants to face the charges asap and clear her good name. She said that 5 weeks ago. Suddenly, she AND her hubby refuse to testify? You can't fight a supoena, even if it's BS. You HAVE To go. If you or I just "no-show" for a supoena, we go to jail, ya know?
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Actually the polls are starting to show women are happy a woman is nominated, but she has extreme views and they wont be voting for her
I hope you are right.....
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Honestley they arent that off the wall. It truly wouldnt suprise me if Bin Laden was sippin mojitos and mai tai's with Carl Winslow, Tupac, Elvis and Dave Thomas at some club med in the carribean
hahaha carl winslow and dave thomas hahaha.
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It's nothing more than a political witch hunt. She was wise not to show. Maybe Obama should be subpoened for his relationship with the disgraced former head of Fannie Mae, who donated tons of $ to his campain. The dems will try everything to discredit Gov. Palin.
Ding Ding Ding...
14 of the people on the first committee that voted to investigage... 10 rep 4 democratic... all 14 voted for it
Senate Judiciary committee... 3 rep 2 democratic... 3 of 5 voted for it...
Another ignorant ass rep OWNED for not knowing facts..
Were is the Political Witch hunt????
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gymguy,
Busted has his facts right on this one. Republican judges believe she broke the law. This was long before mccain picked her - don't believe Karl Rove that "it's all the dems and a witch hunt". She was getting heat for this case from her own party, months ago.
She broke the law, and they have her goose cooked. They have calls, witnesses, and email. Once they get her and hubby in stand, she will be impeached. That is, unless she becomes VP.
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gymguy,
Busted has his facts right on this one. Republican judges believe she broke the law. This was long before mccain picked her - don't believe Karl Rove that "it's all the dems and a witch hunt". She was getting heat for this case from her own party, months ago.
She broke the law, and they have her goose cooked. They have calls, witnesses, and email. Once they get her and hubby in stand, she will be impeached. That is, unless she becomes VP.
Funny thing, if she DOESNT get elected VP, She will get removed from office, Hubby and her staff members will be facing the Senate with contempt for ignoring their subpoenas....
Emails, Phone calls, Phone calls recorded, his entire staff was receiving calls from them.... BUSTED
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i hope the whole family ends up in prison and gets raped by huge sweaty arabs.
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Funny thing, if she DOESNT get elected VP, She will get removed from office, Hubby and her staff members will be facing the Senate with contempt for ignoring their subpoenas....
She'll be able to plead - she won't be facing any time - but yes, there is more than ample ground to impeach her. Her husband faces more serious charges, as he has ZERO legal ground to avoid the supoena. He HAS to go, and he doesn't want to.
It doesn't work like that.
She abused her power. If you say it's okay - then imagine your ex-girlfriend's sister becomes governor of your state and suddenly you get 5 speeding tickets a week, health department is at your place of business every day, police get "random" tips you're selling drugs and keep harassing you at work, etc.
You wouldn't be cool with it, because it's an abuse of power. Governors cannot abuse power for personal vendettas.
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ABC Exclusive: New Doubts Over Palin's Troopergate Claims = Internal Government Document
Exclusive: New Doubts Over Palin's Troopergate Claims
Internal Government Document Contradicts Sarah Palin, Campaign
By JUSTIN ROOD - Sept. 19, 2008 - http://www.abcnews.go.com/print?id=5844710
An internal government document obtained by ABC News appears to contradict Sarah Palin's most recent explanation for why she fired her public safety chief, the move which prompted the now-contested state probe into "Troopergate."
Fighting back against allegations she may have fired her then-Public Safety Commissioner, Walt Monegan, for refusing to go along with a personal vendetta, Palin on Monday argued in a legal filing that she fired Monegan because he had a "rogue mentality" and was bucking her administration's directives.
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Actually the polls are starting to show women are happy a woman is nominated, but she has extreme views and they wont be voting for her
I said that right away when she was nominated, she isn't the type of female to get the female vote as her views are not one most would consider progressive for women. Doubt many formerly undecided women will be swayed to vote for her once they become more familiar with her views, as the polls are already showing. The rape kit thing was the nail in that coffin.
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Keep bashing, it only makes us look better and people are starting to catch on to liberal spin....personally I"m loving this crap. The more spin, lies and CT's the better we look because you clowns have been caught in so many lies already!
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gymguy,
Busted has his facts right on this one. Republican judges believe she broke the law. This was long before mccain picked her - don't believe Karl Rove that "it's all the dems and a witch hunt". She was getting heat for this case from her own party, months ago.
She broke the law, and they have her goose cooked. They have calls, witnesses, and email. Once they get her and hubby in stand, she will be impeached. That is, unless she becomes VP.
I love how the repubs get owned and then disappear. Happens all the time on this board.
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Bill Clinton - as PRESIDENT - actually had to show up and testify in a civil suit.
Odd that she and her husband believe they are above the law.
Just so you know, they'll do what the republicans have done for 8 years - simply IGNORE investigations.
it might be funny to you repubs, but wait til President Obama decides he doesn't have to answer to anyone...
Close, Rob. What they actually do is slip retroactive immunity into large bills that nobody actually reads. What these clowns have done is reified felonies/ death penalty offenses. When you fight terror with terror - how do you know which is which? ::)
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Owned?? Are you shitting me. Do you guys realize in almost everything you guys bring up and spin and lie about on here, 95% of the time you're PROVEN wrong!!
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Keep bashing, it only makes us look better and people are starting to catch on to liberal spin....personally I"m loving this crap. The more spin, lies and CT's the better we look because you clowns have been caught in so many lies already!
Joe, you call everything lies and spin... yet you never have specific evidence or facts to back it. Heck, last week you called the Associated Press a left-wing liberal organization.
People have become VERY educated on Palin in the last week. See the numbers
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Bill Clinton - as PRESIDENT - actually had to show up and testify in a civil suit.
Odd that she and her husband believe they are above the law.
Just so you know, they'll do what the republicans have done for 8 years - simply IGNORE investigations.
it might be funny to you repubs, but wait til President Obama decides he doesn't have to answer to anyone...
;) Its politically incorrect to make OBAMA held responcible for any of the things he does ! So he doesnt haved to worry ! My bet is if any of the opposition had done just one thing as BIZZAR as attend a race hating church for 20 some odd years they would have been gone by now ! And as stated before we will simply forget about the radicle MUSLEMS in his immediate family and the absolutely abbrasive wife ! ECT ECT ECT !
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My bet is if any of the opposition had done just one thing as BIZZAR as attend a race hating church for 20 some odd years they would have been gone by now !
You just lost that bet:
The pastor whose prayer Sarah Palin says helped her to become governor of Alaska founded his ministry with a witchhunt against a Kenyan woman who he accused of causing car accidents through demonic spells.
http://timesonline.typepad.com/uselections/2008/09/palin-linked-el.html
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Owned?? Are you shitting me. Do you guys realize in almost everything you guys bring up and spin and lie about on here, 95% of the time you're PROVEN wrong!!
I love how the repubs can only regurgitate from the Rush show and cannot think for themselves.
What have you proven to be a lie on here? All you do is link us to videos from conservative shows that holds a bias view. Can you actually link us to real facts that can counter the claims being made?
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You just lost that bet:
The pastor whose prayer Sarah Palin says helped her to become governor of Alaska founded his ministry with a witchhunt against a Kenyan woman who he accused of causing car accidents through demonic spells.
http://timesonline.typepad.com/uselections/2008/09/palin-linked-el.html
::) Thats not close to a hate preacher my friend !
Although it is quite bizzar !
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Coach how can you bitch and moan about lies and spin, when the repubs have had that market monopolized for years
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Facts are facts.
Palin's husband was ordered by the State of Alaska to testify.
He is refusing.
You just cannot do this. Nobody is above the law. If you or I blew off a supoena, we'd be issued an arrest warrant.
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Facts are facts.
Palin's husband was ordered by the State of Alaska to testify.
He is refusing.
You just cannot do this. Nobody is above the law. If you or I blew off a supoena, we'd be issued an arrest warrant.
Very true, that the kind of attitude that makes me resentful of politicans and goverment in general.
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Obama's gaining a lot of momentum this week - see what has happened to palin's approval rating in the last week. Honeymoon's over...
regardless of who you're voting for, this election seems pretty historic, and I'm not commenting on the identity politics
strange days...
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Very true, that the kind of attitude that makes me resentful of politicans and goverment in general.
Stop being PC. Just admit that kind of view is what makes you resentful of overrated republicans.
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Owned?? Are you shitting me. Do you guys realize in almost everything you guys bring up and spin and lie about on here, 95% of the time you're PROVEN wrong!!
*Whoosh* There goes Coach with another swipe - only to disappear once facts have been produced. ::)
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Stop being PC. Just admit that kind of view is what makes you resentful of overrated republicans.
The door swings both ways ways but a lot more people (republicans) open the door than close it. Its because conservative are a lot of time arrogant and self centered
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Yes Rob, all you need to do is watch and listen. Unlike you and freaking 75% of this board, I don't have time to spend on a computer researching liberal bullshit sites, finding things like "is Palin waring a earpiece" and come up with bullshit like that....personally it's fucking sickening and truly takes away credibility and intelligence from someone who's supposed to have an MBA. See, liberals can't debate worth a shit because they can't back hardly anything with fact. Ever wonder Rob why Obama won't debate in a townhall venue with McCain? Because the man cannot debate. He was totally humiliated by McCain when they were Interviewed by Rick Warren, same with O'Rielly. Libs are a freaking joke. It was libs son who broke into Palins computer, it was a lib who said Palin looked like a porn star....fuck most libs have no commonsense and none have no sense of morality as Obama has proven by the abortion laws he's written and passed. I've got to stop, my blood pressure is about off the charts right now with lib bullshit!!!!!!!
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Owned?? Are you shitting me. Do you guys realize in almost everything you guys bring up and spin and lie about on here, 95% of the time you're PROVEN wrong!!
Nothing has been proven wrong except mcCains and palins daily lies..
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Forget everything you believe about who the better candidate is...
A man was asked to testify, by the State of Alaska. He is refusing.
He can have any reason he wants. But the law is the law. And if they don't respect the law NOW, wait til they run the country. Todd palin was a "shadow governor" in alaska, spending a lot of time in her office co-wroking the job. it was weird. She fwd'd most emails to him. He was in her office all day long. He took 3 big trips on govt money.
Will this man - who doesn't obey the law now - do the same thing once palin's in office?
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he's a GW in training
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Yes Rob, all you need to do is watch and listen. Unlike you and freaking 75% of this board, I don't have time to spend on a computer researching liberal bullshit sites, finding things like "is Palin waring a earpiece" and come up with bullshit like that....personally it's fucking sickening and truly takes away credibility and intelligence from someone who's supposed to have an MBA. See, liberals can't debate worth a shit because they can't back hardly anything with fact. Ever wonder Rob why Obama won't debate in a townhall venue with McCain? Because the man cannot debate. He was totally humiliated by McCain when they were Interviewed by Rick Warren, same with O'Rielly. Libs are a freaking joke. It was libs son who broke into Palins computer, it was a lib who said Palin looked like a porn star....fuck most libs have no commonsense and none have no sense of morality as Obama has proven by the abortion laws he's written and passed. I've got to stop, my blood pressure is about off the charts right now with lib bullshit!!!!!!!
Joe, have you read the politics board? I post about 25 topics a day, and they all include facts with sources.
I do ask some provacative Qs... we know Bush wore a weird electronic device in the 04 debate, we caught audio of Mitt cheating in this past debate... changing hairstyle to cover ear is something to watch.
I listen to glenn beck, Rush, and hannity's radio show each day. I voted for Bush twice. I do have the MBA and an undergrad in education/history. I understand a great deal about the economy and the mess we're in. Neither party is perfect, neither candidate is correct all the time.
It's only politics. It's history - being played live - before it's sanitized for the textbooks. Enjoy it :)
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240 how old be ya?
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240 how old be ya?
32. Lifelong republican until recently. kinda a man without a party. I like palin's position on many domestic issues, but think she's dangerously underqualified on forien policy and economy. I like mccain big time - he shoulda won in 2000. But, he's a puppet now and just too far past his prime. Too many mistakes now... when he's president, those mistakes will be very costly. he's not 'all there' sometimes... singing songs abotu bombing iran, calling his wife the C-word at age 55... mature, dignified men don't do that.
i'd like a president with dignity.
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32. Lifelong republican until recently. kinda a man without a party. I like palin's position on many domestic issues, but think she's dangerously underqualified on forien policy and economy. I like mccain big time - he shoulda won in 2000. But, he's a puppet now and just too far past his prime. Too many mistakes now... when he's president, those mistakes will be very costly. he's not 'all there' sometimes... singing songs abotu bombing iran, calling his wife the C-word at age 55... mature, dignified men don't do that.
i'd like a president with dignity.
couldnt agree more with ya about 2000, I voted for bush in 04 before the lies and corruption unraveled. I love both McCain and Obama as human beings. But like you said about McCain its not 2000 anymore shit changes
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Yes Rob, all you need to do is watch and listen.Unlike you and freaking 75% of this board, I don't have time to spend on a computer researching liberal bullshit sites, finding things like "is Palin waring a earpiece" and come up with bullshit like that....personally it's fucking sickening and truly takes away credibility and intelligence from someone who's supposed to have an MBA. See, liberals can't debate worth a shit because they can't back hardly anything with fact. Ever wonder Rob why Obama won't debate in a townhall venue with McCain? Because the man cannot debate. He was totally humiliated by McCain when they were Interviewed by Rick Warren, same with O'Rielly. Libs are a freaking joke. It was libs son who broke into Palins computer, it was a lib who said Palin looked like a porn star....fuck most libs have no commonsense and none have no sense of morality as Obama has proven by the abortion laws he's written and passed. I've got to stop, my blood pressure is about off the charts right now with lib bullshit!!!!!!!
You just admitted it yourself. You don't have time to research and refute any arguments. You're shooting blind. All those '95%' numbers you're throwing out are bullshit. If I were you, I would not participate in the political board. You're don't have the facts to properly debate it out.
It's like fighting against an army with a handgun...
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Forget everything you believe about who the better candidate is...
A man was asked to testify, by the State of Alaska. He is refusing.
He can have any reason he wants. But the law is the law. And if they don't respect the law NOW, wait til they run the country. Todd palin was a "shadow governor" in alaska, spending a lot of time in her office co-wroking the job. it was weird. She fwd'd most emails to him. He was in her office all day long. He took 3 big trips on govt money.
Will this man - who doesn't obey the law now - do the same thing once palin's in office?
And he has a High School education helping run a state....
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Yes Rob, all you need to do is watch and listen. Unlike you and freaking 75% of this board, I don't have time to spend on a computer researching liberal bullshit sites, finding things like "is Palin waring a earpiece" and come up with bullshit like that....personally it's fucking sickening and truly takes away credibility and intelligence from someone who's supposed to have an MBA. See, liberals can't debate worth a shit because they can't back hardly anything with fact. Ever wonder Rob why Obama won't debate in a townhall venue with McCain? Because the man cannot debate. He was totally humiliated by McCain when they were Interviewed by Rick Warren, same with O'Rielly. Libs are a freaking joke. It was libs son who broke into Palins computer, it was a lib who said Palin looked like a porn star....fuck most libs have no commonsense and none have no sense of morality as Obama has proven by the abortion laws he's written and passed. I've got to stop, my blood pressure is about off the charts right now with lib bullshit!!!!!!!
The man can not debate... LOL Just because father time demands town hall meetings obama should jump at it?
I think obama (an attorney) wont have much of a problem handing McCain his ass in the debate... Considering McCain will only be able to spew out lies and he will get distroyed when he lies on national tv...
Palin has a BA in Journalism her husband has a High School Diploma.
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ANCHORAGE, Alaska - The Alaska lawmaker directing an abuse-of-power investigation of Gov. Sarah Palin promised Friday the probe will be finished before the election, despite refusals by key witnesses to testify, including the governor's husband.
just more of the "Bush Doctrine".......part 2.
wait a second, Sarah Palin doesn't understand that. ???
NT