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Title: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: Permabulker on September 22, 2008, 09:54:35 AM
Propper form, full range of motion, etc.......  "its not the weight thats important!"

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Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: Mars on September 22, 2008, 09:55:42 AM
depends on the period.
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: Bluto on September 22, 2008, 09:56:53 AM
not me

it pisses people off
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: polychronopolous on September 22, 2008, 09:57:45 AM
in those old magazines, Robert Kennedy would say "go as heavy as you can, with perfect form and a full range of movement"

I think there is a few nuggets of i valuable info in this quote
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: Permabulker on September 22, 2008, 09:58:42 AM
Typical "personal trainer" preaching this shit.  Dont get me wrong, im NOT saying to throw the weight around but all the strict form crap is stupid.  Unless your goal is to look like this guy.  That said, I do think its important for a beginer to learn it so they dont kill themselves.
(http://www.danmelita.com/images/san-diego-personal-trainer.jpg)
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: dr.chimps on September 22, 2008, 10:06:33 AM
Some exercises - yes; some - no. 
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: philborg on September 22, 2008, 10:11:49 AM
On pulling movements (rows, curls, chins) YES
On pressing movements (bench, military, skullcrushers, squats) NO
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: Earl1972 on September 22, 2008, 11:12:48 AM
Typical "personal trainer" preaching this shit.  Dont get me wrong, im NOT saying to throw the weight around but all the strict form crap is stupid.  Unless your goal is to look like this guy.  That said, I do think its important for a beginer to learn it so they dont kill themselves.
(http://www.danmelita.com/images/san-diego-personal-trainer.jpg)

seriously why do gyms hire these guys?

are they less intimidating to the average fatass that hires a trainer?

the trainers at my gym prove that you can judge a book by its cover, they don't know what they're doing and it shows in their appearance

E
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: Mars on September 22, 2008, 11:14:07 AM
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: polychronopolous on September 22, 2008, 11:15:27 AM
I promise you when that trainer takes his shirt off, it is not the look most guys who lift weights is going for!
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: _bruce_ on September 22, 2008, 11:15:40 AM
I try to, as long as it feels right.
Depends on what you're training for.
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: dyslexic on September 22, 2008, 11:22:37 AM
seriously why do gyms hire these guys?


Cuz fat people like em...
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: Mars on September 22, 2008, 11:23:50 AM
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: RC Money on September 22, 2008, 11:59:23 AM
I think that it's important on everything except presses cause locking out uses a lot of tris taking tension off the desired muscle and it's really not easier because if you go just shy of lock out you got the hard part over with and you dont have that little rest that comes with locking out either. I think you should always go faily slow(unless doiung a 225 rep out :D) and always go down(hate those fags that bench 6 inches above their chest) all the way and get the full strech. But hey everybody is different and you should do what allows you to get then muscle working best and not what allows you to get the most weight up.
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: Mars on September 22, 2008, 12:01:51 PM
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: HTexan on September 22, 2008, 12:14:55 PM
i do. Strict form gives me a better pump.
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: Team Diver on September 22, 2008, 12:16:04 PM
Typical "personal trainer" preaching this shit.  Dont get me wrong, im NOT saying to throw the weight around but all the strict form crap is stupid.  Unless your goal is to look like this guy.  That said, I do think its important for a beginer to learn it so they dont kill themselves.
(http://www.danmelita.com/images/san-diego-personal-trainer.jpg)

Sevastate looks bad!
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: burn2live on September 22, 2008, 12:16:37 PM
I do
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: PANDAEMONIUM on September 22, 2008, 03:05:41 PM
I think that it's important on everything except presses cause locking out uses a lot of tris taking tension off the desired muscle and it's really not easier because if you go just shy of lock out you got the hard part over with and you dont have that little rest that comes with locking out either. I think you should always go faily slow(unless doiung a 225 rep out :D) and always go down(hate those fags that bench 6 inches above their chest) all the way and get the full strech. But hey everybody is different and you should do what allows you to get then muscle working best and not what allows you to get the most weight up.

What you're saying is mostly true, but the point is: I didn't ask for your two cents.
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: io856 on September 22, 2008, 03:10:10 PM
Why wouldn't you use a full ROM?

When you get strong it will be dismissed "he only does half the movement". Also you increase the chance of injury using less than full ROM because you have to increase the load to compensate for the lack of movement.
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: Bluto on September 22, 2008, 03:15:49 PM
i use a full range of emotions

Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: Earl1972 on September 22, 2008, 03:26:04 PM
What you're saying is mostly true, but the point is: I didn't ask for your two cents.

your bullying newbies shtick is old and wasn't funny to begin with

E
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: 240 is Back on September 22, 2008, 03:33:22 PM
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Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: JOCKTHEGLIDE on September 22, 2008, 05:34:15 PM
I think that it's important on everything except presses cause locking out uses a lot of tris taking tension off the desired muscle and it's really not easier because if you go just shy of lock out you got the hard part over with and you dont have that little rest that comes with locking out either. I think you should always go faily slow(unless doiung a 225 rep out :D) and always go down(hate those fags that bench 6 inches above their chest) all the way and get the full strech. But hey everybody is different and you should do what allows you to get then muscle working best and not what allows you to get the most weight up.
OK CANDIZZLE....next your gonna tell me to isolate the inner triceps only movement using the bench press and then ask me how many times we bench press 275.8lbs.
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: Ursus on September 22, 2008, 05:38:17 PM
I use full ROM with a decent weight for me.
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: CARTEL on September 22, 2008, 05:41:22 PM
On pressing movements (bench, military, skullcrushers, squats) NO

I think people should go deep as possible for squats.

Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: philborg on September 22, 2008, 05:48:47 PM
I think people should go deep as possible for squats.



I meant I go all the way down and get a full stretch of the muscle and then come back up about 95% of the way to keep pressure off of the joints and on the muscle I am trying to stimulate
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: Palpatine Q on September 22, 2008, 06:01:23 PM
 A guy asked me about his form one time and I told him "Fuck form.....go heavy as a ni66ers cock until you put some size on, THEN worry about form and shit "
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: GoneAway on September 22, 2008, 06:05:54 PM
By using proper form and full ROM, you're (theoretically) stressing the muscle to its fullest capacity.

By limiting the ROM and using improper form, you're asking other muscles to take over from the targeted muscle, and stressing less fibres of the targeted muscle group.
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: Ursus on September 22, 2008, 06:09:06 PM
partial range partial development
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: JOCKTHEGLIDE on September 22, 2008, 06:12:32 PM
partial range partial development
X2 look at all the pro bbers vs the regular gym rats....gym rats are top notch.
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: Palpatine Q on September 22, 2008, 06:12:58 PM

By limiting the ROM and using improper form, you're asking other muscles to take over from the targeted muscle, and stressing less fibres of the targeted muscle group.

What does the targeted muscle do.....take a break?

If you are going heavy enough for ancillary muscle groups to be taxed it would stand to reason the primary muscle group is getting worked pretty hard
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: Ursus on September 22, 2008, 06:15:38 PM
X2 look at all the pro bbers vs the regular gym rats....gym rats are top notch.

on copious amounts of juice...doing pushups would make them grow
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: GoneAway on September 22, 2008, 06:19:58 PM
What does the targeted muscle do.....take a break?

If you are going heavy enough for ancillary muscle groups to be taxed it would stand to reason the primary muscle group is getting worked pretty hard

I didn't say the ancillary muscle groups would be taxed; just that they would take over. In a cheat barbell curl with the elbows swinging back and forth, gravity isn't as strong with your upper arms parallel to the ground at the finishing point, nor with the momentum and the help of your anterior deltoids swinging them up to help move the bar. The biceps are handling more weight for about 1/4 of the ROM, when they could handle just a bit less for the entire ROM.
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: pumpster on September 22, 2008, 06:27:12 PM
By using proper form and full ROM, you're (theoretically) stressing the muscle to its fullest capacity.

By limiting the ROM and using improper form, you're asking other muscles to take over from the targeted muscle, and stressing less fibres of the targeted muscle group.

Cheat curls are better for many than strict, i think someone named Arnold believes this.

As far as injury, sometimes complete ROM are harder on the connective tissues. As far as "stressing the muscle through the entire range" there's not much proof that this is necessary or that it makes a difference.

I think some who favor full ROM just think that it equals harder work and therefore a better workout, which isn't necessarily true.
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: Ursus on September 22, 2008, 06:27:46 PM
also say ppl who bench from chest to half rep...say than can do 315x5...I would be extremely surprised if they could bench 340 properly full ROM...whereas a 315x5 done properly might get 355lbs
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: RC Money on September 22, 2008, 08:22:52 PM
OK CANDIZZLE....next your gonna tell me to isolate the inner triceps only movement using the bench press and then ask me how many times we bench press 275.8lbs.
That made no fucking sense...Take some english courses bud  ;)
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: RC Money on September 22, 2008, 08:24:26 PM
What you're saying is mostly true, but the point is: I didn't ask for your two cents.
No you did not, but the thread starter sort of did  :-\
I appreciate you reading my post though  :D
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: WillGrant on September 22, 2008, 09:21:57 PM
No you did not, but the thread starter sort of did  :-\
I appreciate you reading my post though  :D
Candy,hows your cycle going?
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: RC Money on September 22, 2008, 09:28:07 PM
Candy,hows your cycle going?
Candi??? I have proven I'm a real person, a member of this board even has my "space" page proving my reality  :D
You on the other hand have no proof of non-gimmickry.
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: WillGrant on September 22, 2008, 09:34:11 PM
Candi??? I have proven I'm a real person, a member of this board even has my "space" page proving my reality  :D
You on the other hand have no proof of non-gimmickry.
Settle down Candi..we are all gimmicks its the internet..Are you still running insulin?
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: RC Money on September 22, 2008, 09:41:07 PM
Settle down Candi..we are all gimmicks its the internet..Are you still running insulin?
That's the truth around here.
I've never been part of a board of any kind where peole just make gimmick accounts cause it's cool like they do here.

Oh man, now I'm Candizzle even though we don't remotly look like each other  ::) I was not trying to sound like a know it all like you're implying this candi guy does, simply replying to the thread at hand.
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: TechnoViking on September 22, 2008, 11:21:05 PM
full range and strict form is important when you are first starting out...Not until you understand the contraction should you then swag away from it...Then you will never look back...
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: JOCKTHEGLIDE on September 23, 2008, 12:28:54 AM
I think people should go deep as possible for squats.


I know a guy in the gym at golds in pheonix the personal trainer told him to go low as possible on squats so now what he is a squat, sits down indian style, then comes back up though he does not do much weight, but its intersting to watch him come back up and down from standing to indian sitting BRUTUAL  ::)
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: musclecenter on September 23, 2008, 01:34:59 AM
I use full range of motion over 35 years!
And Milos says"Partial rep, partial development"
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: TechnoViking on September 23, 2008, 02:20:07 AM
I use full range of motion over 35 years!
And Milos says"Partial rep, partial development"


I guess thats why Cutler doesn't train with Milo's
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: JOCKTHEGLIDE on September 23, 2008, 03:18:13 AM
That made no fucking sense...Take some english courses bud  ;)
your a newbie on the board you get a free pass....... ::)
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: Trev on September 23, 2008, 03:19:09 AM
Not Dennis Wolf that's for sure! Great advert for not doing so.
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: Get Rowdy on September 23, 2008, 03:51:52 AM
Partial reps from stretched position are useful.  I like doing full ROM to failure, then finishing with partials.
Title: Re: Who uses full range of motion??
Post by: musclecenter on September 23, 2008, 03:56:50 AM
Partial reps from stretched position are useful.  I like doing full ROM to failure, then finishing with partials.
100% correct !