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It's entirely possibly to both have the debate, and solve the economy problem. Neither Obama nor McCain are financial experts - they'll just be nodding their heads in meetings while Dodd and others who know what they're tlaking about, are doing the decision making.
This lets McCain bail out of a debate. After all the talk of "why won't obama have a town hall meeting?"
Maybe when he's president, McCain will learn to balance 2 things at once?
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Dodd knowing what he is doing.
HAHAHAHHA
Most economic experts saw this coming for the last 3 years.
Dodd did noting except take his money from Freddie Mae and Fannie Mac.
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It's entirely possibly to both have the debate, and solve the economy problem. Neither Obama nor McCain are financial experts - they'll just be nodding their heads in meetings while Dodd and others who know what they're tlaking about, are doing the decision making.
This lets McCain bail out of a debate. After all the talk of "why won't obama have a town hall meeting?"
Maybe when he's president, McCain will learn to balance 2 things at once?
I guess you forgot the part where Obama claimed that he'd be willing to have a debate with Obama about national security "Anytime, anywhere".
This would be the last debate that McCain would want to postpone, as it's viewed as one of his strengths. He's putting this issue ahead of his own campaign (for the moment, at least).
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I guess you forgot the part where Obama claimed that he'd be willing to have a debate with Obama about national security "Anytime, anywhere".
This would be the last debate that McCain would want to postpone, as it's viewed as one of his strengths. He's putting this issue ahead of his own campaign (for the moment, at least).
It is a double-edged sword as this is also an oportunity for Obama to expose McCain's weakness in what is considered his core 'strength'. The best move is for his camp to avoid this debate all together.
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I guess you forgot the part where Obama claimed that he'd be willing to have a debate with Obama about national security "Anytime, anywhere".
This would be the last debate that McCain would want to postpone, as it's viewed as one of his strengths. He's putting this issue ahead of his own campaign (for the moment, at least).
I wonder if you'd feel the same way if Obama cancelled the foreign policy debate 48 hours beforehand.
Also, I wonder what crisis will cancel the VP debate to save Palin's ass ;)
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No Rob, McCain is doing the right thing. Unlike Obama, he's putting the country first. Something liberals dont understand.
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No Rob, McCain is doing the right thing. Unlike Obama, he's putting the country first. Something liberals dont understand.
Obama is agreeing to the pause.
What do liberals put first, by the way?
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Funny, Im watching the news right now and nothing has been mentioned.
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It's on drudge and cnn.com.
It should be a minute before it reaches broadcast news
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This is an economic crisis that cannot drag on so I'm glad its taking precidence. Plus, Friday is an odd day for a televised debate anyway.
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Wrong again.....Obama put his politics before the countries needs.
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Wrong again.....Obama put his politics before the countries needs.
why, becuase McCain was the first to pull out?
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Hahaha....I knew that was coming. You really think Obama would win a debate on foreign policy with McCain? Just go back to the Saddleback debate where McCain totally rolled Obama.
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Funny, Im watching the news right now and nothing has been mentioned.
What news are you watching? It's been on for over an hour now. if your network isn't covering the debate, you should question their ability to deliver the news.
Hahaha....I knew that was coming. You really think Obama would win a debate on foreign policy with McCain?
Remember 1960? nixon did better in the debate but looked like shit on camera, and lost the eleciton by 100k votes as a result. That could easily happen again. mccain might have all the answers, but if he looks 80 years old and crippled next to a dignified michael jordan, he'll lose swing votes. It's reality.
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mccain says its not the time for partisan politics... LOL
i think a retarded llmama can see that mccain is the under-dog and will have his back against the wall on friday but he decided to pussy out anyway....100% politics as usual
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Mccain has dropped from 2 points up - to 9 points down - since Sept 7 in general election polls.
(Wash Post)
Obama isn't taking the bait on the 'backing out' thing.
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mccain says its not the time for partisan politics... LOL
i think a retarded llama can see that mccain is the under-dog and will have his back against the wall on friday but he decided to pussy out anyway....100% politics as usual
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Funny, Im watching the news right now and nothing has been mentioned.
You watch fox news, they only report things right wingers care about
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No Rob, McCain is doing the right thing. Unlike Obama, he's putting the country first. Something liberals dont understand.
was he putting the country first when he picked sara palin? why dont you put 'country first' and hang yourself
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was he putting the country first when he picked sara palin? why dont you put 'country first' and hang yourself
:D
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Who is Obama going to debate, himself, sorta defeats the purpose. McCain is not in an way afraid of Obama. This is a major crisis an needs to be addressed. 3-4 days will not make any difference. Obama had a chance to lead and McCain trumped him. Now McCain is going back to his job...his job and try and make sure we don't get screwed by this bill.....Obama said he'd be on call....good job asshole.
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Who is Obama going to debate, himself, sorta defeats the purpose. McCain is not in an way afraid of Obama. This is a major crisis an needs to be addressed. 3-4 days will not make any difference. Obama had a chance to lead and McCain trumped him. Now McCain is going back to his job...his job and try and make sure we don't get screwed by this bill.....Obama said he'd be on call....good job asshole.
I shouldn't expect much more from a Pats bandwagon fan but hey you trump your stupidity with every post. McCain isn't NEEDED and neither is obama, those two aren't going to do any good, obama did the right thing he said if he's needed he's there, if not then fine. The last thing congress needs to two presidential candidates trying to score political points and photo ops as if anything either of them do will be the 'saving grace' obama realises this, mccain is just too retarded to realise he's not needed and smells an opportunity to score political points. Your delusion is on par with Coach.
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What exactly does McCain think he can do anyway?
Isn't he the guy who said he doesn't understand economics and also said the the fundamentals of our economy are strong?
What could be more fundamental to our economy that the banking system?
McCain is next deep in the shit that caused this disaster and he knows it.
I agree with Obama that the debates should go on as planned:
Obama quote from CNN:
"It's my belief that this is exactly the time when the American people need to hear from the person will be the next president," Obama said. "It is going to be part of the president's job to deal with more than one thing at once. It's more important than ever to present ourselves to the American people."
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I shouldn't expect much more from a Pats bandwagon fan but hey you trump your stupidity with every post. McCain isn't NEEDED and neither is obama, those two aren't going to do any good, obama did the right thing he said if he's needed he's there, if not then fine. The last thing congress needs to two presidential candidates trying to score political points and photo ops as if anything either of them do will be the 'saving grace' obama realises this, mccain is just too retarded to realise he's not needed and smells an opportunity to score political points. Your delusion is on par with Coach.
Bandwagon..yeah ok..welcome to the board dipshit. Its McCains job, unlike ur candidate who thinks his job is to run for office, McCain knows he has to actually do his from time to time. Since the rest of post is worthless I would point u to my oldschool Pats logo....are u actually in KC.
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McCain won't debate. Palin won't speak.
this is a great presidential ticket ! ::)
NT
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If I were about to, or could be, running the country and had a chance to influence a bill that was going to suck down 700 Billion, I'd be on the first plane to DC.
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Shame on McCain to think of putting the financial crisis that is/will hurting tens of millions Americans while delaying a near worthless debate.
Obama supporters have every reason to be upset. For one, McCain has out foxed Obama again, proving his leadership role in the senate and leaving Hussein again looking up at McCain, "why are doing this to me"?
This again shows Barack is all talk and no action.
Obama can't go back to Washington, who the hell is going to listen to the junior Senator with no experience?
Obama again mis-steps and declines to join McCain for fear of showing voters he is a follower and boosting McCain's image as a real leader.
Instead Obama is put into a no win situation and shows the people that Obama want politics before people...not much of a change is it?
Seminal post on this topic TP..perfect.
The only wiggle room on this is if Obama agrees to delay the debate 3-4 days and changes the debate to economics. I would assume that there is one like that planned, flip-flop em. The Republicans are not going to pass this bill as stated, so McCain wants some say.
McCain invited Obama, as both guys have a major stake in this. All Barry had to do was say yes, ur right, suck down about 20 min of bad press, and show he's helping and doing his job.
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lol @ the obviously liberally biased title of this thread.
McCain Suspends Campaign to Help With Bailout
by FOXNews.com
Wednesday, September 24, 2008
John McCain will suspend his presidential campaign Thursday so that he can return to Washington to help negotiate a Wall Street bailout, and he is urging Barack Obama to do the same.
The Republican presidential candidate also asked the Presidential Debate Commission to postpone his first debate with Obama, which is scheduled to take place Friday night at the University of Mississippi in Oxford.
“America this week faces an historic crisis in our financial system,” Sen. McCain said in mid-afternoon remarks to reporters in New York. “If we do not act, every corner of our country will be impacted. We cannot allow this to happen.”
McCain’s call to suspend campaigning and postpone the first debate was rejected by Obama, who spoke in response less than two hours later.
“Presidents are going to have to deal with more than one thing at a time,” Sen. Obama said. “It’s not necessary for us to think that we can only do one thing and suspend everything else.” He said that he and McCain have large campaign planes that can get them out of Mississippi and back to Washington quickly.
Obama said he spoke earlier in the day with McCain, who suggested that they suspend the debate.
“I thought this was something that he was mulling over. Apparently this was something he was more decisive about in his own mind,” Obama said in a press conference in Florida, where he has been preparing for the debate.
Obama said the scrutiny of the bailout plan is nonpartisan and he would not allow it to become welfare for Wall Street executives or an opportunity for political ploys.
“There are times for politics and there are times to rise above them, do what is right for the country. This is one of those times,” he said.
McCain said he will leave the campaign trail after delivering an address to former President Clinton’s Global Initiative on Thursday morning. He canceled a Wednesday afternoon taping of The Late Show With David Letterman and a Thursday interview with FOX News. His campaign said he will suspend airing all ads and fundraising until Congress passes bailout legislation.
“We must pass legislation to address this crisis,” he said. “If we do not, credit will dry up, with devastating consequences for our economy. People will no longer be able to buy homes and their life savings will be at stake. Businesses will not have enough money to pay their employees.”
McCain will participate in Friday night’s debate if a bill is passed by Friday morning, his adviser Mark Salter said.
By stepping away from the first debate, McCain he is giving up an opportunity to show off his foreign policy credentials. He had negotiated strongly to make foreign policy, his strong suit, the topic of the first of the three debates. On the other hand, McCain has been criticized for being weak on the issue of economy
But McCain has fallen in recent polls — largely attributable to the economic crisis — and rival political analysts suggested McCain’s move was opportunistic and a chance to stem the free-fall.
On Wednesday, the FOX News/Opinion Dynamics poll showed Obama had taken a 45-39 percent lead over McCain, in large part because of independent voters. A Washington Post poll also showed that most voters think Obama has a better approach to dealing with the economy than McCain.
The Obama campaign initially responded to the news that McCain was suspending his campaign by saying Obama earlier had suggested issuing a joint statement on the financial crisis.
“At 8:30 this morning, Senator Obama called Senator McCain to ask him if he would join in issuing a joint statement outlining their shared principles and conditions for the Treasury proposal and urging Congress and the White House to act in a bipartisan manner to pass such a proposal,” spokesman Bill Burton said.
“At 2:30 this afternoon, Senator McCain returned Senator Obama’s call and agreed to join him in issuing such a statement. The two campaigns are currently working together on the details,” Burton continued.
But McCain’s camp said Obama never reached McCain in the morning call because McCain was meeting with economic advisers and talking to leaders in Congress. Afterward, McCain phoned Obama and expressed deep concern that the plan on the table would not pass as it currently stands. He asked Obama to join him in returning to Washington to lead a bipartisan effort to solve this problem.
Obama said the two still plan to issue a joint statement.
“I made the suggestion to him, he agreed to that suggestion and made the suggestion in addition that we need to have a meeting in Washington with congressional leaders and the president,” Obama said, noting that by time he got back to his hotel McCain had made his announcement.
McCain adviser Nancy Pfotenhauer said McCain is just following his belief in putting the country first. She noted that he suspended the Republican National Convention when Hurricane Gustav hit the Gulf Coast and supported the unpopular troop surge in Iraq by saying he would rather win a war than win an election.
“We all watched the [Senate] hearings yesterday. … The bottom line is he did not think we would reach a conclusion and it’s absolutely imperative that we do so. This is vintage John McCain. He is going to put the country first and suspend the campaign,” Pfotenhauer told FOX News.
In his remarks to reporters, McCain said he did not think the Bush administration’s $700 billion bailout plan, being shepherded by Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson, adequately addresses the crisis at hand.
“It has become clear that no consensus has developed to support the administration’s proposal. I do not believe that the plan on the table will pass as it currently stands, and we are running out of time,” he said.
Neither McCain nor Obama has spent much time on Capitol Hill in recent months. The last vote McCain took was in April. Obama last voted in July.
In announcing McCain’s expected return, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell applauded his decision and said Republicans want to see included in the president’s bill limits on executive compensation, debt reduction, congressional oversight and taxpayer protections.
Obama’s closest confidant in the Senate, Majority Whip Dick Durbin of Illinois, took to the floor to say that Obama e-mailed him Tuesday night with the idea of talking to McCain about issuing a joint statement. Durbin said McCain and the bright lights and cameras of the campaign aren’t needed on Capitol Hill and will inject partisanship when it’s not needed. Durbin agreed all the debates should go forward.
McCain announced his decision shortly after the White House said President Bush will deliver an address to the nation Wednesday night. McCain called on Bush to convene a meeting of congressional leadership, in both chambers and parties, including him and Obama.
“It is time for both parties to come together to solve this problem,” he said.
“I am confident that before the markets open on Monday we can achieve consensus on legislation that will stabilize our financial markets, protect taxpayers and homeowners, and earn the confidence of the American people. All we must do to achieve this is temporarily set politics aside, and I am committed to doing so.”
“Obviously we appreciate the seriousness Senator McCain and other leaders — Senator Obama as well — are taking to this issue,” said deputy White House spokesman Tony Fratto said of McCain’s move.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/24/mccain-suspends-campaign-to-help-with-bailout/
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If I were about to, or could be, running the country and had a chance to influence a bill that was going to suck down 700 Billion, I'd be on the first plane to DC.
problem is, he's not going right to DC.
He's waiting until tomorrow afternoon, after a morning speech.
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No Rob, McCain is doing the right thing. Unlike Obama, he's putting the country first. Something liberals dont understand.
So, what was your MOS?