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Mccain is using the discussion over the financial bailout to get out of facing Obama in Friday's Presidential debate in Mississippi.
McCain:
'I'm suspending my campaign' because of financial crisis, and want to delay the debate.
Obama:
"I'm preparing to debate on Friday.'
"My general view is that the american people need to know what we intend to do in moving the economy forward."
"It's more imporant than ever to debate these topics for the American people."
Obama went on to explain he will work hard on the bill, then fly to Miss. for the debate as planned. After all, a President should be able to multi-task.
NOTE:
Keep in mind - Mccain fell from 2 points up, to NINE POINTS DOWN, from Sept 7th until today. He hasn't let his VP selection Sarah palin take a single press conference in 4 weeks since announcing, and his campaign is running out of money. He's now behind in Ohio, and the poll aggregates at www.pollster.com have him losing. On top of all that, he's going to look very old and fragile next to a younger Obama at the debate, and he didn't want that.
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I hope you guys elect Obama.
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Mccain is using the discussion over the financial bailout to get out of facing Obama in Friday's Presidential debate in Mississippi.
McCain:
'I'm suspending my campaign' because of financial crisis, and want to delay the debate.
Obama:
"I'm preparing to debate on Friday.'
"My general view is that the american people need to know what we intend to do in moving the economy forward."
"It's more imporant than ever to debate these topics for the American people."
Obama went on to explain he will work hard on the bill, then fly to Miss. for the debate as planned. After all, a President should be able to multi-task.
NOTE:
Keep in mind - Mccain fell from 2 points up, to NINE POINTS DOWN, from Sept 7th until today. He hasn't let his VP selection Sarah palin take a single press conference in 4 weeks since announcing, and his campaign is running out of money. He's now behind in Ohio, and the poll aggregates at www.pollster.com have him losing. On top of all that, he's going to look very old and fragile next to a younger Obama at the debate, and he didn't want that.
That doesn't look good for him.
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Obama = Politics before country.
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Obama doesn't need to be anywhere near fixing the financial bailout, they need to bring out the true legislative heavyweights to fix that mess.
He'd just vote "present" anyway.
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Ari Flescher just said McCain is doing the right thing. Wasn't he a Clinton advisor? (Bill Clinton)
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Obama = Politics before country.
McCain choosing Sarah Palin as his VP = Politics before country
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I'm honestly with whoever 240's with in the political realm from now on.
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President Bush is going to address the nation tonight, to try to help McCain on this issue. Saying it's important for everyone to come to D.C. and talk about it.
In reality, the debate is 90 minutes, and is VERY important for all Americans, to see what these men really think about the issues. McCain is getting beaten in the polls solidly. Sarah Palin refuses to talk to anyone, and even lifetime conservative stalwarts such as George Will are saying she is a disaster and not prepared for the job. He knows that he's about to stand on television and be the face of deregulation, which caused this mess.
This is unprecedented. Cancelling a debate. Using the economy as an excuse.
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Obama doesn't need to be anywhere near fixing the financial bailout, they need to bring out the true legislative heavyweights to fix that mess.
He'd just vote "present" anyway.
LOL!
He'll probably be President though. Hope he does a 180 on energy policy. This country doesn't need a "hopeychange" windmill and butterflies plan.
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Ari Flescher just said McCain is doing the right thing. Wasn't he a Clinton advisor? (Bill Clinton)
No sir. Ari has worked for Bush I and Bush 2. He is a lifetime Republican employee.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ari_Fleischer
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the obama campaign needs to take full advantage of this opportunity.
oh and if obama wanted to put 'politics first', he would have left his wife and kids for a younger, richer, politically connected woman like John McCain did.
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I just read that warren buffett is one of obama's economic advisors...
mccain is pulling a serious chickenshit move here, he suddenly cares about getting back to his work instead of campaigning, but he hasn't voted on a single bill since april... convenient timing... especially by his own admission that he doesn't exactly have a clue personally about economics. what difference could he possibly make?
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He is putting an American crisis before the campaign. If Obama suggested this you would all be talking how great he is.
Does it bother me? A little bit it does cause we can finally see Obama without a prompter, but at the same time I understand why McCain is doing it.
When it comes to the polls it is without a doubt not a smart move.
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Obama = Politics before country.
Can you name one president who was any different?
8)
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President Bush is going to address the nation tonight, to try to help McCain on this issue. Saying it's important for everyone to come to D.C. and talk about it.
In reality, the debate is 90 minutes, and is VERY important for all Americans, to see what these men really think about the issues. McCain is getting beaten in the polls solidly. Sarah Palin refuses to talk to anyone, and even lifetime conservative stalwarts such as George Will are saying she is a disaster and not prepared for the job. He knows that he's about to stand on television and be the face of deregulation, which caused this mess.
This is unprecedented. Cancelling a debate. Using the economy as an excuse.
I believe that Friday's debate is scheduled to be a foreign policy only debate. With a domestic policy debate coming in a few weeks. They should obviously switch the theme of Friday's debate to the economy.
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Obama without a doubt put politics before the country and the lives or our troops.
http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/obama_iraq_troop_withdraw/2008/09/16/131238.html
Despite his insistent demands for a rapid withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama secretly urged Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement that would lead to a draw down in troop numbers.
A blockbuster expose in Monday's New York Post by Amir Tahiri revealed that Obama made his demand for the delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July, Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari told The Post.
"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the U.S. elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview with The Post.
Zabari recalled that Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of U.S. troops, and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."
"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open," Zebari said.
Obama says he wants U.S. troops out of Iraq by 2010, a development that would be impossible if the status of forces agreement were delayed as he asked the Iraqis.
In addition to his backdoor approach to the Iraqis, The Post said Obama also sought to persuade U.S. commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date," a request they refused.
The Post noted that, "to be credible, Obma's foreign-policy philosophy requires Iraq to be seen as a failure, a disaster, a quagmire, a pig with lipstick or any of the other apocalyptic adjectives used by the American defeat industry in the past five years."
"Yet Iraq is doing much better than its friends hoped and its enemies feared," The Post stated, adding that "the United Nations mandate will be extended in December, and we may yet get an agreement on the status of forces before President Bush leaves the White House in January."
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Ari Flescher just said McCain is doing the right thing. Wasn't he a Clinton advisor? (Bill Clinton)
You, sir, are clueless. :(
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McCain choosing Sarah Palin as his VP = Politics before country
Absolutely.
McCain: "Palin knows more about energy than anyone else in the United States".
You look at that statement. Think about it. She knows more than every nuclear physicist? Every PhD form MIT? Those guys who run the nation's electricity grid?
He also said she's the best qualified candidate. That's laughable. There are men and women FAR more qualified than her, with more years experience in every field. She has 18 months as governor. There are people with far stronger resumes.
McCain is dropping in the polls, and he knows that a poor performance would cement it for many voters. A fluff VP choice, calling himself "The Deregulator" when deregulation caused this mess... if you top it off with him looking tired and old next to an exciting and young Obama, I can see why he'd back out.
But one question. What happens when Iran, Russia, and Venezuela start conflicts with us?
Will McCain back out of those challenges too?
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No, just couldn't remember.
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Mccain is using the discussion over the financial bailout to get out of facing Obama in Friday's Presidential debate in Mississippi.
McCain:
'I'm suspending my campaign' because of financial crisis, and want to delay the debate.
Obama:
"I'm preparing to debate on Friday.'
"My general view is that the american people need to know what we intend to do in moving the economy forward."
"It's more imporant than ever to debate these topics for the American people."
Obama went on to explain he will work hard on the bill, then fly to Miss. for the debate as planned. After all, a President should be able to multi-task.
NOTE:
Keep in mind - Mccain fell from 2 points up, to NINE POINTS DOWN, from Sept 7th until today. He hasn't let his VP selection Sarah palin take a single press conference in 4 weeks since announcing, and his campaign is running out of money. He's now behind in Ohio, and the poll aggregates at www.pollster.com have him losing. On top of all that, he's going to look very old and fragile next to a younger Obama at the debate, and he didn't want that.
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Stick to being a stay at home father ;)
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How about the two debate just the financial crisis from a venue in D.C.? What better way to show which one of the two is better suited to be President than to debate one of the biggest economic trials to confront the U.S. Government since the great depression. If the debate is in D.C., the two candidates won't have to spend much time away from congressional debates on the bailout.
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He is putting an American crisis before the campaign. If Obama suggested this you would all be talking how great he is.
Does it bother me? A little bit it does cause we can finally see Obama without a prompter, but at the same time I understand why McCain is doing it.
When it comes to the polls it is without a doubt not a smart move.
These men have a chance to stand in front of 100 million Americans in this time of crisis, and deliver their solutions to the American people.
The debate can be flexible - move it to DC as offered, so it only takes 90 minutes out of their schedule to step into a room and share their thoughts with America.
McCain doesn't want to face Obama, and he's using this as an excuse. It is VERY possible to take 90 minutes out, from 9 pm until 1030 pm, on a Friday night. They can work 15 hours on Friday, and at 8:30, head for make-up and a Coke before 90 minutes for the American people.
Mccain doesn't want to face Obama. It's that simple.
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President Bush is going to address the nation tonight, to try to help McCain on this issue. Saying it's important for everyone to come to D.C. and talk about it.
In reality, the debate is 90 minutes, and is VERY important for all Americans, to see what these men really think about the issues. McCain is getting beaten in the polls solidly. Sarah Palin refuses to talk to anyone, and even lifetime conservative stalwarts such as George Will are saying she is a disaster and not prepared for the job. He knows that he's about to stand on television and be the face of deregulation, which caused this mess.
This is unprecedented. Cancelling a debate. Using the economy as an excuse.
Everything going on right now in the US is unprecedented 240. We're crumbling down to nothing at a very fast rate.
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Mccain is using the discussion over the financial bailout to get out of facing Obama in Friday's Presidential debate in Mississippi.
McCain:
'I'm suspending my campaign' because of financial crisis, and want to delay the debate.
Obama:
"I'm preparing to debate on Friday.'
"My general view is that the american people need to know what we intend to do in moving the economy forward."
"It's more imporant than ever to debate these topics for the American people."
Obama went on to explain he will work hard on the bill, then fly to Miss. for the debate as planned. After all, a President should be able to multi-task.
NOTE:
Keep in mind - Mccain fell from 2 points up, to NINE POINTS DOWN, from Sept 7th until today. He hasn't let his VP selection Sarah palin take a single press conference in 4 weeks since announcing, and his campaign is running out of money. He's now behind in Ohio, and the poll aggregates at www.pollster.com have him losing. On top of all that, he's going to look very old and fragile next to a younger Obama at the debate, and he didn't want that.
That poll was skewed.The poll said it polled democrats 3-2 over republicans.Please,get your facts straight.By the way,in case you once again say "prove it",its right on the poll itself.
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Stick to being a stay at home father ;)
Everything I stated was fact. Everything in that statement:
Mccain is using the discussion over the financial bailout to get out of facing Obama in Friday's Presidential debate in Mississippi.
McCain:
'I'm suspending my campaign' because of financial crisis, and want to delay the debate.
Obama:
"I'm preparing to debate on Friday.'
"My general view is that the american people need to know what we intend to do in moving the economy forward."
"It's more imporant than ever to debate these topics for the American people."
Obama went on to explain he will work hard on the bill, then fly to Miss. for the debate as planned. After all, a President should be able to multi-task.
NOTE:
Keep in mind - Mccain fell from 2 points up, to NINE POINTS DOWN, from Sept 7th until today. He hasn't let his VP selection Sarah palin take a single press conference in 4 weeks since announcing, and his campaign is running out of money. He's now behind in Ohio, and the poll aggregates at www.pollster.com have him losing. On top of all that, he's going to look very old and fragile next to a younger Obama at the debate, and he didn't want that.
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That poll was skewed.The poll said it polled democrats 3-2 over republicans.Please,get your facts straight.By the way,in case you once again say "prove it",its right on the poll itself.
Sorry. FOX news has Obama up by 5 points right now. ABC has Obama up by ten.
These men who conduct the polls are statisticians and mathematitians who do this for a living. There are currently NO polls which have Mccain leading.
in fact, it's probably skewed FOR mccain, since cell phone users (younger obama voters) aren't polled, while lanedline users (old people- vote repub) are polled.
www.pollster.com has the collections of many polls. Obama is leading. Nobody denies this, at this point.
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Obama without a doubt put politics before the country and the lives or our troops.
http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/obama_iraq_troop_withdraw/2008/09/16/131238.html
Despite his insistent demands for a rapid withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama secretly urged Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement that would lead to a draw down in troop numbers.
A blockbuster expose in Monday's New York Post by Amir Tahiri revealed that Obama made his demand for the delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July, Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari told The Post.
Not this s**t again. Look at the source. Tahiri's claims are an editorial in the NY Post (that bastion of journalistic integrity ::)). He doesn't have any proof to back up his claims.
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Also, OBAMA called McCain and asked him to join in a JOINT statement about unity, non-partisanship and trying to find a good solution to the problem. McCain then spent the next siz hours working on a statement to upstage Obama, then called him back and AGREED to a JOINT statement (McCain's senior advisor confirmed this). Then just a few minutes after they got off the phone with Obama, they went ALONE on air and claimed they were asking Obama to join them. What a joke. So much for joint, non-partisanship. McCain doesn't give a crap about the issue, he just wants to win.
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Rob, your completely delusional if you think that McCain is purposly backing out of a FORIEGN POLICY debate especially since Obama is clueless on foreign policy. Get real dude....seriously your smarter than that.
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Everything going on right now in the US is unprecedented 240. We're crumbling down to nothing at a very fast rate.
Nope. Research "Savings and Loan crises" and "The Keating Five" to see how this happened before and also right before an election. You'll find McCain with some nice ties to that scandal as well. :)
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Rob, your completely delusional if you think that McCain is purposly backing out of a FORIEGN POLICY debate especially since Obama is clueless on foreign policy. Get real dude....seriously your smarter than that.
As I've said before... in 1960, nixon handily defeated JFK in the debate - on the radio. In person, Nixon looked like shit and JFK was a stud. And, JFK won the election because of it. Mccain knows he'll look 6 inches shorter, and 40 years older, than Obama at the debates. He doesn't want to stand next to him.
Aside from that, think about this. Obama said we should put forces into pakistan, and mccain didn't. bush listened to Obama, and got the #3 al-Q man with a missile. Obama wants to put more men and missiles into afghanistan to finish the job... mccain's fine with bush's plan, which has us there SEVEN years now with no victory in sight.
Obama will handle himself fine against mccain - and besides, mccain has his own foreign policy problems. Mayor palin at VP got her passport in 2007.
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If Americans elect McCain over Obama it will confirm to the world what everyone already thinks: American foreign policy is a complete and utter joke.
Go Canada !!!
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Nope. Research "Savings and Loan crises" and "The Keating Five" to see how this happened before and also right before an election. You'll find McCain with some nice ties to that scandal as well. :)
Uhhh, nah, I don't think so. You're taking a couple of similar situations and operating within that context completely. All of the conflicts around the world combined with the entire globe relying on our financial system hasn't happened on this scale in modern history. We're in much worse shape than those two events you just mentioned.
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Uhhh, nah, I don't think so. You're taking a couple of similar situations and operating within that context completely. All of the conflicts around the world combined with the entire globe relying on our financial system hasn't happened on this scale in modern history. We're in much worse shape than those two events you just mentioned.
Actually, there's plenty of evidence that the world is less dependent on the US than it was back then. But that aside, there are a ton of similarities, not least of which is that the same deregulation McCain argued in favor of led us to BOTH crises.
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As I've said before... in 1960, nixon handily defeated JFK in the debate - on the radio. In person, Nixon looked like shit and JFK was a stud. And, JFK won the election because of it. Mccain knows he'll look 6 inches shorter, and 40 years older, than Obama at the debates. He doesn't want to stand next to him.
Aside from that, think about this. Obama said we should put forces into pakistan, and mccain didn't. bush listened to Obama, and got the #3 al-Q man with a missile. Obama wants to put more men and missiles into afghanistan to finish the job... mccain's fine with bush's plan, which has us there SEVEN years now with no victory in sight.
Obama will handle himself fine against mccain - and besides, mccain has his own foreign policy problems. Mayor palin at VP got her passport in 2007.
Dude, no victory in sight? Bush listening to Obama? Are you just trying to push peoples buttons?
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I think you mean Governor Palin as opposed to Jr. Senator Obama
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Actually, there's plenty of evidence that the world is less dependent on the US than it was back then. But that aside, there are a ton of similarities, not least of which is that the same deregulation McCain argued in favor of led us to BOTH crises.
Both candidates have their hands dirty with this whole mess. Obama was taking money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, even when he knew the company was in huge financial trouble. And I think things are much worse off than back in 1987 in the Savings and Loan crisis. I could go on and on listing why this situation is worse, but I would end up writing a novel.
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Mccain hasn't been to Washington for votes since APRIL? (Repub Senator Orrin Hatch just admitted it)
FACTS: McCain most absent-missed 412 out of 643 votes of current session, 109 of 110 since March
There isn't even a vote on Friday. Just an ongoing discussion.
A President should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time!
If he can't work on economic legislation during the day, and head to a debate that evening, then I don't think he has the advanced capacity to be President.
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Canada supports Obama!!! Oh, and we have universal healthcare that works wonderfully. And, our economy is not ruined. I plan on hiring an American to do some landscaping in the near future. :)
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http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/whos-ahead/polling/index.html
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Canada supports Obama!!! Oh, and we have universal healthcare that works wonderfully. And, our economy is not ruined. I plan on hiring an American to do some landscaping in the near future. :)
Ouch! :(
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MIDDLEBURG HEIGHTS -- Senator John McCain says he has not decided whether or not to support the Wall Street bailout package now being reviewed by Congress.
The price tag is $700 billion, but could run higher.
In an exclusive interview he told Tom Beres,"I have not had a chance to see it in writing. I have to examine it."
It's only 3 pages!
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Simple question for McCain: If so urgent, why not fly back to DC immediately?
It's my understanding that McCain has been chaperoning Palin through her UN speed-dating circuit and is keeping his schedule to speak at the Clinton Global Initiative on Thursday, and is only flying back to DC after his speech.
If the situation in DC is so critical and urgent, then why isn't McCain flying back to DC today, right now?!?
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Obama = Politics before country.
I'm calling you out on being full of shit
If Obama backed out you'd call him a pussy and weak for the nation
when McCain does it, he's doing it "for the good of the nation"
Baa Baa goes coach the republican sheep
post again when you take a brief second to think about anything remotely political at all
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Rob, your completely delusional if you think that McCain is purposly backing out of a FORIEGN POLICY debate especially since Obama is clueless on foreign policy. Get real dude....seriously your smarter than that.
why not just tell us that you suck McCain's dick? you're ridiculous
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Hahaha...of course Canada supports a socialist/communist. They support their own!
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Rob you're starting to sound like the Jenneane (sp?) Garrofalo of Getbig with the Democratic nuthuggin'. You're usually alot funnier. (Please don't ruin it with "Well this is not a laughing matter." cause that doesn't fly once you've established yourself as funny[re: Chevy Chase] Bring it with teh funny and I promise you'll make Obama more palatable to the great-unwashed-uninitiated-getbig-masses.
For me "Doozejooze" b ring teh funny.
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Obama = Politics before country.
A good president can do more than 1 thing at a time... Just becasue there is a financial crisis doesnt mean the rest of the country stops...
Putting your country first would ahve been McCain putting Mit Romney on the bill not a woman that he has to keep hidden from the press...
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Obama = Politics before country.
Coach = Pathetic
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No sir. Ari has worked for Bush I and Bush 2. He is a lifetime Republican employee.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ari_Fleischer
Coach kicked in the Nuts once again... he would have went on and on how Bill Clinton's guy said McCain did the right thing... Once again Coach gets OWNED
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Sorry. FOX news has Obama up by 5 points right now. ABC has Obama up by ten.
These men who conduct the polls are statisticians and mathematitians who do this for a living. There are currently NO polls which have Mccain leading.
in fact, it's probably skewed FOR mccain, since cell phone users (younger obama voters) aren't polled, while lanedline users (old people- vote repub) are polled.
www.pollster.com has the collections of many polls. Obama is leading. Nobody denies this, at this point.
Iv never been called by a Pollster in my life... I know 1 person, my uncle who's had the same home phone number for 35 years.
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No matter the polls, still looks like this race is neck and neck. CNN's electoral map shows Obama with an expected 223 electoral votes and McCain with 200, with an additional 115 up for grabs. Sure wish we could come up with a candidate, Democrat or Republican, that the nation as a whole could back and who would win by a landslide.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/calculator/ (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/calculator/)
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Obama = Politics before country.
McCain = Can't remember/do more then one thing at once. ;D
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Absolutely.
McCain: "Palin knows more about energy than anyone else in the United States".
You look at that statement. Think about it. She knows more than every nuclear physicist? Every PhD form MIT? Those guys who run the nation's electricity grid?
Of course not.
You know he meant other politicians, Rob. And even then it's hyperbole.
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Rob, your completely delusional if you think that McCain is purposly backing out of a FORIEGN POLICY debate especially since Obama is clueless on foreign policy. Get real dude....seriously your smarter than that.
LOL! How much contribution to our economy is McCain going to make by spending an extra 90 minutes on it ::) He committed to this debate weeks ago. He should stick to his commitments. Instead he is running scared...lol.
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McCain = Can't remember/do more then one thing at once. ;D
:D
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Rob, your completely delusional if you think that McCain is purposly backing out of a FORIEGN POLICY debate especially since Obama is clueless on foreign policy. Get real dude....seriously your smarter than that.
Just becasue you are a POW and a been in Congress for 26 years doesnt make you a expert on forign policy. He was wrong with Iraq, so there goes that argument...
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LEFT AND RIGHT PUT US HERE. THEY ARE BOTH EVIL.
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I think you mean Governor Palin as opposed to Jr. Senator Obama
Palin Part time news anchor..... Obama Contitutional law Professor / Civil rights Attorney 12 years
Palin 8 years Mayor of town of 5600..... Obama 8 years State senator in a district of 800,000
Palin 18 months Gov Of Alaska 650,000 people Obama 3.5 years Senator for 13 millione
(in palins 18 months she has a scandal that most likely will remove her from office, and her husband and her have ignored state laws ignoring subpoenas issued from a unanimous 14/0 8 Rep 6 dems OUCH your OWN party knows you broke the law)
Palin Bachelors degree from Idaho in Journalism.... Obama JD from Harvard law (top of his class).
Palin Reads good speaches from bush Speech writers.... Obama writes his own speeches...
Do you REALLY think she is in his league? Ahhhh Think again
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This reminds me of the time someone was going to post a video of deadlifting 225 for 112 reps, but then backed out. :)
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Coach-is a complete Moron !! My name is Barack Obama and I approve this message! I'd debate this with Coach but I understand that Republicans are not big on debates. Coach you just got my landscaping business!!!
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This reminds me of the time someone was going to post a video of deadlifting 225 for 112 reps, but then backed out. :)
That doesn't ring a bell? ;)
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This reminds me of the time someone was going to post a video of deadlifting 225 for 112 reps, but then backed out. :)
F*ck that noise. I want my anti-gravity suit! >:(
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Ari Flescher just said McCain is doing the right thing. Wasn't he a Clinton advisor? (Bill Clinton)
mrs dole's press secretary before president bush
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McCain unlike Obama has a history of getting things done. We are facing a decision that could send us into an economic tailspin that could end up worse than any of us have ever seen. These guys are United States Senators. McCain can actually have an impact on getting a bill passed while Obama who hasnt done anything nor is afraid to take a stance on anything has nothing but the Campain.
You are fooling yourself if you dont think this is one of the biggest issues we have ever faced. We are going to have to eat it either way, but if this is done wrong our economy could end up fubared.
I seriously doubt McCain is afraid of Debating Obama on foreign policy. The idea that he is trying to hide is just rediculous. Are you guys serious? lol
Is it even remotely possible that he sees what is happening as critically important and feels he could possibly help?
How is "Talking" about what you are going to do better than actually doing something about the situation?
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Buffgeek and Coach are officially complete fucking morons ;D Titus would slay you both!!!
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McCain unlike Obama has a history of getting things done. We are facing a decision that could send us into an economic tailspin that could end up worse than any of us have ever seen. These guys are United States Senators. McCain can actually have an impact on getting a bill passed while Obama who hasnt done anything nor is afraid to take a stance on anything has nothing but the Campain.
You are fooling yourself if you dont think this is one of the biggest issues we have ever faced. We are going to have to eat it either way, but if this is done wrong our economy could end up fubared.
I seriously doubt McCain is afraid of Debating Obama on foreign policy. The idea that he is trying to hide is just rediculous. Are you guys serious? lol
Is it even remotely possible that he sees what is happening as critically important and feels he could possibly help?
How is "Talking" about what you are going to do better than actually doing something about the situation?
Remotely, yes. Probable, no.
Wall Street is held together by faith in the trading system and financial markets. If Obama and McCain debate and give Wall Street and Main Street some confidence that one or the other might actually be able to govern the US well during this financial crisis, it will bolster Wall Street, Main Street and Bank confidence, helping the financial markets and the economy.
What is so tough about giving up 90 minutes or so of their time for the debate and spending the rest of their time working on the bailout plan?
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McCain unlike Obama has a history of getting things done. We are facing a decision that could send us into an economic tailspin that could end up worse than any of us have ever seen. These guys are United States Senators. McCain can actually have an impact on getting a bill passed while Obama who hasnt done anything nor is afraid to take a stance on anything has nothing but the Campain.
You are fooling yourself if you dont think this is one of the biggest issues we have ever faced. We are going to have to eat it either way, but if this is done wrong our economy could end up fubared.
I seriously doubt McCain is afraid of Debating Obama on foreign policy. The idea that he is trying to hide is just rediculous. Are you guys serious? lol
Is it even remotely possible that he sees what is happening as critically important and feels he could possibly help?
How is "Talking" about what you are going to do better than actually doing something about the situation?
Name things he has done... FACTUAL...
Also, McCain was wrong on the biggest forign policy decision of his life... since then, he has hinted "bombing Iran" as a Joke... Went on and On about a "Surge" that part of it worked by bringing down the voilence, but the 2nd half which was iraqis taking responsibility never happened... you cant claim Victory when only 50 percent worked...
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Remotely, yes. Probable, no.
Wall Street is held together by faith in the trading system and financial markets. If Obama and McCain debate and give Wall Street and Main Street some confidence that one or the other might actually be able to govern the US well during this financial crisis, it will bolster Wall Street, Main Street and Bank confidence, helping the financial markets and the economy.
What is so tough about giving up 90 minutes or so of their time for the debate and spending the rest of their time working on the bailout plan?
I agree with what you said about the market bieng held together by perceptions, but honestly at this point dollars are dollars. What is going to help the economy and Wallstreet. A debate about what you would possibly do in a few months, or taking action right now to get something done that will have an immiedate impact on the market and consumer confidience.
And seriously, do you think McCain can instantly beam in and debate for 90 min and be done? Dont you think it takes hours upon hours of prep, travel time etc, to get ready for these things?
If McCain was smart he would not suspend his campain and just make Sarah Palin go debate Obama as they have about the same amount of experience. He would look like a tool debating a VP while McCain was trying to do something to actually impact the economy.
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Name things he has done... FACTUAL...
Also, McCain was wrong on the biggest forign policy decision of his life... since then, he has hinted "bombing Iran" as a Joke... Went on and On about a "Surge" that part of it worked by bringing down the voilence, but the 2nd half which was iraqis taking responsibility never happened... you cant claim Victory when only 50 percent worked...
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=53270
http://eforum.reviewjournal.com/lv/showthread.php?t=22019
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This is all a diversion tactic to try and take the attention off the economy and keep it on mcsame. He thought he would look good going back to washington, but now he looks like a pussy that is afraid to debate with Obama. www.intrade.com now has Obama up by 13% to win the election. Mcsame is in panic mode and had to do something shocking to change the subject away from this $700Billion bailout. Its not going to work, as this is to big of a deal, and it effects so many people. Rick Davis needs to resign, the fact that he was accepting $15K from Freddie mack just 4 weeks ago is not right and he needs to step down.
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There may be a reason that he cancelled, which is completely unrelated to the economy.
Pics from today. Left side of face. You do the math.
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Breaking news: George Bush just invited Obama & McSame to meet with him to talk about the financial crisis. Should Obama go? I don't think he should, is a desperate move by republicans
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Pics from earlier this week.
People are saying Botox. Or worse...
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http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=53270
http://eforum.reviewjournal.com/lv/showthread.php?t=22019
Those are things he voted on not things HE DID.....
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Pics from earlier this week.
People are saying Botox. Or worse...
What a mess.
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What a mess.
I dont think Obama will go, he needs to snub bush and not go.
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I dont think Obama will go, he needs to snub bush and not go.
Obama agreed to attend.
Then he'll attend the debate on Friday night and so will Mccain.
240 predicts Mccain will flip-flop and show up at the debate.
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Obama agreed to attend.
Then he'll attend the debate on Friday night and so will Mccain.
240 predicts Mccain will flip-flop and show up at the debate.
Mccain is done for. EVERYONE is pissed at Mccain. Republicans are leaving him in droves.
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Obama agreed to attend.
Then he'll attend the debate on Friday night and so will Mccain.
240 predicts Mccain will flip-flop and show up at the debate.
Oh of course mcsame will go to the debate, if he didnt he would surely look like a loser and punk ass thats afraid to debate Obama.
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Obama agreed to attend.
Then he'll attend the debate on Friday night and so will Mccain.
240 predicts Mccain will flip-flop and show up at the debate.
He will show up... that would be the end of his chances if he was a no show...
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HA mcsame is NOT afraid of obama. don't be rediculous. this is showing obama to be a corporate welfare queen without a doubt.
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Is'nt McCain the leader in missing senate hearings :-\
Why is it so important now but not before?
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Is'nt McCain the leader in missing senate hearings :-\
Why is it so important now but not before?
YEP numero UNO!!!!!!!!! He hasnt stepped foot in Congress since April...
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Hahaha...of course Canada supports a socialist/communist. They support their own!
You certainly enjoy talking about subjects you know nothing about. If you think we are a communist nation, I suggest you spend a little bit of time reading a little more about our Country(or stop speaking of things you are clueless on) . We in fact have a conservative government currently, and it is likely that they will still be in power after our up coming election.
You shouldn't be allowed to vote. WHen you hear people talking about how there are too many ignorant, close minded people who will make up their minds based on irrational thinking and ignore any other idea simply for the sole reason of belonging, they are talking about people like you.
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McCain Gambles In Effort To Regain The Offensive
John McCain, losing ground as the economic crisis deepens, sought today to beat Barack Obama to the punch by suspending his campaign, postponing Friday's presidential debate, and calling for an emergency meeting between the President, congressional leaders and both nominees to produce legislation addressing the threat of a Wall Street collapse and a dangerous recession.
McCain's abrupt announcement, in an email sent out at 2:56 PM Wednesday, appeared designed to pre-empt Obama, who, according to aides, had already initiated efforts to seek a bipartisan solution. At 3:09 PM, just 14 minutes after the McCain email, Bill Burton of the Obama campaign sent out the following statement:
"At 8:30 this morning, Senator Obama called Senator McCain to ask him if he would join in issuing a joint statement outlining their shared principles and conditions for the Treasury proposal and urging Congress and the White House to act in a bipartisan manner to pass such a proposal. At 2:30 this afternoon, Senator McCain returned Senator Obama's call and agreed to join him in issuing such a statement. The two campaigns are currently working together on the details."
Later in the day, Obama rejected McCain's proposal to postpone the first debate. "This is exactly the time the American people need to hear from the person who in approximately 40 days will be responsible for dealing with this mess," Obama said. "What I've told the leadership in Congress is that if I can be helpful, then I am prepared to be anywhere, anytime. What I think is important is that we don't suddenly infuse Capitol Hill with presidential politics."
The contest to stand out as the stronger and more competent figure reflects the political imperative to appear equipped to grapple with the crisis facing the country. McCain's sudden pivot to a more sophisticated, statesman-like position demonstrates the Republican's awareness that his evident lack of intellectual comprehension over the past week, as well as his attempts to project 'populist' anger, were diminishing his stature.
In his statement, McCain suggested that he had initiated the emergency process: "I have spoken to Senator Obama and informed him of my decision and have asked him to join me."
Colby political scientist Sandy Maisel observes that, "If Obama in fact reached out first, as he claims, and then McCain turned it into a political issue, I cannot imagine how the people will not react negatively to McCain. If, on the other hand, McCain were to refute Obama's claim of an 8:30 phone call this morning, then McCain could look like a leader and presidential. My instinct is that this was a desperate move by McCain's staff to gain some traction from a situation in which he has clearly been slipping--and desperate moves rarely work."
Along similar lines, Sam Popkin, a political scientist at the University of California at San Diego, noted that canceling a presidential debate, as McCain is trying to do, can be seen as a sign of weakness. Popkin cited Jimmy Carter's cancellation of his debate against Teddy Kennedy in 1980, during the Iranian hostage crisis, as an example of a candidate
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Mccain flipflopping and doing the debate after alll..
It's like telling your girlfriend you are the MAN, and that yall aren't going to the club.
So she says "fck you then, I'm going to the club without you."
So you say "Sorry dear. We can go to the club".
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Mccain flipflopping and doing the debate after alll..
It's like telling your girlfriend you are the MAN, and that yall aren't going to the club.
So she says "fck you then, I'm going to the club without you."
So you say "Sorry dear. We can go to the club".
Obama has done his share of "flipflopping" as well, 240
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Obama has done his share of "flipflopping" as well, 240
This is true. Mccain had far more. In 2000, he was the world's best candidate - all moderate and common sense. in 2007, to win the nomination, he changed to all far-right positions. Google "mccain flip flop" and read them all. Then google "Obama flip flop". Look at the differences in the lists. Obama started, and stayed, fairly liberal yet strong on national defense. He's still to the left on most things.
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There is NOTHING wrong with the so called "flip-flopping".
I would want someone with the ability to change their mind or position as new evidence comes to light.
"flip-flopping" is an ignorant term.
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Christoper Dodd - Senate Banking Committee Chairman:
"I've been working on this bill with the top leaders for 5 straight days, around the clock - and we haven't seen, or heard, from John Mccain."
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The best one ever was on the Hard ball college tour... they ask him if hes for Gay Marriage... he says.... yes we can have ceremonies for them etc...
13 mins later a student asks him "whats your position on gay marriage" he replies "im against it" the crowd boooos him and he shurgs his shoulders and says "thats how I feel"
hahahah in 13 mins he changed his position...
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There is NOTHING wrong with the so called "flip-flopping".
I would want someone with the ability to change their mind or position as new evidence comes to light.
"flip-flopping" is an ignorant term.
You're right, there is nothing wrong with changing your mind when the opposite has been proven to be correct or a better choice. But when you do so just without even an explaination to why you so called "flip-flopped" it just says to the people that you're doingf so to win votes. I would rather hear in a debate "you know what? after careful reconsideration and listening to these fact I have infact changed my mind on this issue" then just hear "Candidate so and so first was against this and then when asked his thought on the same issue 3 days later...he said the total opposite in the following statement...blah blah blah"
They all freakin do it. ::)
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There is NOTHING wrong with the so called "flip-flopping".
I would want someone with the ability to change their mind or position as new evidence comes to light.
"flip-flopping" is an ignorant term.
Sort of.
When you say the economy is strong and then THREE hours later say it's not and is at risk, that's not being open minded, that's being uninformed, pandering and a tool.
When you say you would never vote to bail out AIG and think it's a bad idea and then th next day when your own party leader says he's going to do exactly that and you say we should bail out AIG, that's not being open minded either.
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Warrior Code is dead on. I think Americans should have an IQ test in order to vote.
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Ari Flescher just said McCain is doing the right thing. Wasn't he a Clinton advisor? (Bill Clinton)
Ari Fleisher was a Bush spokesperson
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Rob, your completely delusional if you think that McCain is purposly backing out of a FORIEGN POLICY debate especially since Obama is clueless on foreign policy. Get real dude....seriously your smarter than that.
Coach,
Please state your reasons for claiming Obama and Biden to be clueless on foreign policy, AS WELL AS your reasons for believing McCain AND Palin to be qualified and well versed in foreign policy.
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Obama = Politics before country.
RUSH PARROT
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If Americans elect McCain over Obama it will confirm to the world what everyone already thinks: American foreign policy is a complete and utter joke.
Go Canada !!!
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worse he backed out on letterman.
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Obama = Politics before country.
Do you have any original thoughts? Any ???
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Mccain is using the discussion over the financial bailout to get out of facing Obama in Friday's Presidential debate in Mississippi.
McCain:
'I'm suspending my campaign' because of financial crisis, and want to delay the debate.
Obama:
"I'm preparing to debate on Friday.'
"My general view is that the american people need to know what we intend to do in moving the economy forward."
"It's more imporant than ever to debate these topics for the American people."
Obama went on to explain he will work hard on the bill, then fly to Miss. for the debate as planned. After all, a President should be able to multi-task.
NOTE:
Keep in mind - Mccain fell from 2 points up, to NINE POINTS DOWN, from Sept 7th until today. He hasn't let his VP selection Sarah palin take a single press conference in 4 weeks since announcing, and his campaign is running out of money. He's now behind in Ohio, and the poll aggregates at www.pollster.com have him losing. On top of all that, he's going to look very old and fragile next to a younger Obama at the debate, and he didn't want that.
One, McCain has been asking Obama for months to have town hall meetings with him (before this financial stuff came to the forefront). That's hardly a sign of someone afraid of the IL senator.
Furthermore, the topic scheduled for Friday is FOREIGN POLICY, which most agree is McCain's strongest point. Just days ago, the Obama camp, according to reporters, were basically conceding that McCain would win this debate. They simply wanted Obama to have a good showing.
As for the poll numbers, that all depends on who you ask. A Zogby poll has McCain up 48-46; while, Gallup has them tied at 46.
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The best one ever was on the Hard ball college tour... they ask him if hes for Gay Marriage... he says.... yes we can have ceremonies for them etc...
13 mins later a student asks him "whats your position on gay marriage" he replies "im against it" the crowd boooos him and he shurgs his shoulders and says "thats how I feel"
hahahah in 13 mins he changed his position...
Actually, he flip-flopped in only 11 minutes.
I guess his alzheimer's kicked in and he forgot he was at the same venue, and that only 11 mins had passed.
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They should have kept McCain in a box. Obviously he learned nothing as a POW. His wife is the scariest bitch I've ever seen.
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Republicans think that war is a movie.
They want to give John McCain the lead.