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Saul Alinsky
In a revelation tying Barack Obama even closer to radical community organizing, WND has learned that a renowned disciple of the late socialist agitator Saul "The Red" Alinksy wrote a letter of recommendation for Obama when he applied to Harvard Law School.
Obama approached Northwestern University professor John L. McKnight – a loyal student of Alinsky's radical tactics – to pen the Harvard letter in the late 1980s. McKnight serves on the boards of radically anti-American groups in Chicago, including one accused of thuggery.
Obama in his 2006 memoir alludes to McKnight – whom he describes as an "older man who had been active in the civil rights efforts in Chicago in the sixties" – but stops short of identifying him by name. He referred to him only as "my friend."
But McKnight, who enforced affirmative action for Attorney General Robert Kennedy, was far more than that to young Obama. He helped train him in the agitation tactics of Alinsky, who wrote the organizing manual, "Rules for Radicals," which he dedicated to mankind's "very first radical, Lucifer."
The Chicago-based Gamaliel Foundation lists McKnight as a board director. From1985 to 1988, Obama worked for a subsidiary of Gamaliel, where he cut his teeth as a community organizer on Chicago's South Side. McKnight and Gamaliel, which was founded on Alinsky's principles, provided training for the budding radical.
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Before leaving for Harvard, Obama wrote an article published in a journal titled, "After Alinsky: Community Organizing in Illinois," in which he praised McKnight and his organizing strategies. He also decried "institutional racism" and called for more "power" to put in place "a systematic approach to community organization."
Barack Obama teaching Alinsky organizing tactics
While at Harvard, he found time to take advanced training courses at the Industrial Areas Foundation, a group founded by Alinsky and affiliated with Gamaliel. He also would return to Chicago to work as a consultant and trainer for Gamaliel.
Under the tutelage of McKnight and other hardcore students of Alinsky, Obama says he got the "best education I ever had, better than anything I got at Harvard Law School." He made the remark last year while campaigning in Iowa.
His mentor McKnight also sits on the board of a militant leftist group called the National People's Action, the professor's curriculum vita reveals. NPA employs the hardball street tactics of Alinskyite organizing.
NPA claims to be simply a coalition of neighborhood advocacy groups based in Chicago, but conservative analyst Michelle Malkin describes it as a "left-wing goon squad." She says NPA has been known to bus hundreds of angry protestors to the homes of business and government leaders to demand "justice" for inner-city blacks.
While preparing to intimidate the families of officials and trample over their private property, she says NPA picketers belt out the following battle cry:
Who's on your hit list, NPA?
Who's on your hit list for today?
Take no prisoner, take no names.
Kick 'em in the a-- when they play their games.
"NPA's militant tactics cross the bounds of decent political debate," Malkin wrote in 2004.
Obama, in his 1995 memoir, said he wanted to go to Harvard Law School to "learn power's currency in all its intricacy," with the goal of "making large-scale change" as a national politician.
John L. McKnight
Before writing his recommendation, McKnight, a former ACLU director, advised Obama not to "compromise" his principles.
While Obama says he's perhaps more tolerant of compromise than McKnight, he says his views haven't really changed from his days organizing on behalf of radical Alinsky groups like Gamaliel and ACORN in Chicago.
"My views are not so much more refined than they were when I labored in obscurity as a community organizer," he averred in his 2006 autobiography.
Socialist dream
Alinsky, the father of community organizing, dreamed of socialism one day replacing the "jungle" of American capitalism. He wrote that he hoped "for a future where the means of production will be owned by all of the people instead of just a comparative handful."
Alinsky dedicated the first edition of his book, "Rules for Radicals," to Satan: "Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom – Lucifer."
McKnight has advocated for another war on poverty, something Obama is proposing with his "Urban Prosperity" plan.
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Finally, some real issues here. Had Sarah Palin associated with a communist she'd be burned at the stake in the 6:00 news.
Saul Alinsky does not want to be discussed by anyone. The guy taught how to "hide" your radicalism in the form of community organizing in his book "Rules for Radicals."
Some people blame the press/media for not asking the tough questions leading up to the war in Iraq. Believing they, the media, could have some how stopped it.
Now I see the same thing concerning Obama. They are not asking the right questions. And if Obama becomes the president, as in Iraq, the same media members will ask why didn't we ask the right questions.
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If anyone else had the ties to terrorism and racism that Obama does there political careers would be over.
I love how on this board not a single lib has tried to argue on these issues. Classic liberal mind set turn and run lol.
I go to plenty of dem message boards and have intelligent debates. But the libs on this board seem to be the worst informed I have ever come across.
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To think that a person like Obama could be this close to winning the White House is pretty scary.
HAVE YOU SEEN THIS
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4476649n
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Another exmple of how libs dont wanna talk about the subject at hand.
But yes I have seen it.
Was it a bead interview?
Without a doubt it was.
I would like to see Obama go on fox news and answer some real questions..
FOX--- So Obama what are ur ties with Ayers. And why in ur own book do you refer to him as ur friend.
Obama--- Welll ummm ummm ummmmm hmmmm oh yeah HOPE and CHANGE ueah thats it. HOPE and CHANGE. hmmm hmmm
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Saul Alinsky is a respected intellectual.
I must have missed Obama's "workers of the world unite" speech.
We cannot have political radicals questioning and challenging the political status quo.
That's what the founders thought. Oh yeah, they didn't.
It's interesting that 'jungle' is used to characterize capitalism. That's exactly what unmoderated capitalism is.
Thorstein Veblen (great economist) stated that decades ago.
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Another exmple of how libs dont wanna talk about the subject at hand.
But yes I have seen it.
Was it a bead interview?
Without a doubt it was.
I would like to see Obama go on fox news and answer some real questions..
FOX--- So Obama what are ur ties with Ayers. And why in ur own book do you refer to him as ur friend.
Obama--- Welll ummm ummm ummmmm hmmmm oh yeah HOPE and CHANGE ueah thats it. HOPE and CHANGE. hmmm hmmm
fox news...shittin me right
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But the libs on this board seem to be the worst informed I have ever come across.
Hat tip.
Someone give this man a cigar!
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lol again another change in subject.
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lol again another change in subject.
Dude you dont want to talk about change of subject. Your guy and his one track mind wants to cancel the Debate...
that=bitch move
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Dude you dont want to talk about change of subject. Your guy and his one track mind wants to cancel the Debate...
that=bitch move
GUY?
These boards have taught me Obama's running against Palin.
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Dude you dont want to talk about change of subject. Your guy and his one track mind wants to cancel the Debate...
that=bitch move
Hey, pinhead, why don't you dicuss the subject. You can't answer not one of the issues concerning Obama.
You've been so brainwashed with the words "hope and change" you're like a damn robot. You couldn't even tell me what Barry means by those words.
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GUY?
These boards have taught me Obama's running against Palin.
Na im talkin McLame
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Im not happy about canceling the debate at all and have posted this already.
But what does that have to do with my post?
You still have said nothing about.
I no why you havent tho.
Its because you cant.
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Four more Years! Four more Years!
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Hey, pinhead, why don't you dicuss the subject. You can't answer not one of the issues concerning Obama.
You've been so brainwashed with the words "hope and change" you're like a damn robot. You couldn't even tell me what Barry means by those words.
Listen fuckface...Your dumb ass is so racist you cant see the wreckless moves the repubs are making just to win the white house.
What issues concern Obama..He looks to be sitting pretty to me.
This is what he means by change and hope. American has gone down the tubes "thanks to the current repub admin and with different policies we can change and right the ship. Dont get me wrong, Bush did well for the insanely rich but for regular Americans he has been the merchant of death and McLame is going to continue it.
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Na im talkin McLame
Now, this is what's sad. Bumper sticker quotes.
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Now, this is what's sad. Bumper sticker quotes.
Messiah
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lol classic pathetic liberal.
Whenever a liberal falls back on the "Your a racist because you wont vote for Obama" you know you have won the argument.
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lol classic pathetic liberal.
Whenever a liberal falls back on the "Your a racist because you wont vote for Obama" you know you have won the argument.
You got it chief. Pathetic ::)
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Communist by association? ::)
LAME.
Wake me up when you all have something real. This is basic fear based dribble.
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Communist by association? ::)
LAME.
Wake me up when you all have something real. This is basic fear based dribble.
No not by association. By his words. Read his book!!!
Amazing how little you people no.
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You got it chief. Pathetic ::)
The racist thing is bs. Im tired of white people wanting to vote for this guy just because they think it will absolve them of their self percieved racism and americas history of slavery.
Take color out of the equation and just look at these guys standing on their respective records. Most people cannot do that.
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No not by association. By his words. Read his book!!!
Amazing how little you people no.
know, smart guy
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No not by association. By his words. Read his book!!!
Amazing how little you people no.
Yeah, well i "no" that you "no" that i "no" that you "no"...................
What book? Obama's book or this guy's book? Show me where Obama is a cummy in his book.
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Of course he does not walk around "I'm a communist"
You just need to read it and understand his goals and beliefs.
The whole communist by association would be a good argument if it was only the one communist friend.
But Obama consistently surrounds himself with communist. In every step of is career.
Its one commi after the next he calls friends and advisors.
And thank you for being the first to address my post. And not coming back with some garbage.
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Had Sarah Palin associated with a communist she'd be burned at the stake in the 6:00 news.
"Burned at stake" - are you referring to her pastor, a self-proclaimed witch hunter?
"communist" - are you referring to her hubby, who spent 10 years as a member of the Alaskan separist party?
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Of course he does not walk around "I'm a communist"
You just need to read it and understand his goals and beliefs.
The whole communist by association would be a good argument if it was only the one communist friend.
But Obama consistently surrounds himself with communist. In every step of is career.
Its one commi after the next he calls friends and advisors.
And thank you for being the first to address my post. And not coming back with some garbage.
Give some examples of Obama's communists beliefs from his book.
And "one commy after another"? So what. Do you think if Obama gets elected that he's going to turn our country into a cummunists state? Com on. that's stupid. Obama isn't going to do much to change the country that way. Probably not anything. He will NOT get universal health care. He will NOT limit free enterprise.
All you've posted there is fear based drivel. These people are using false fear to manipulate people into thinking Obama is a threat to our way of life. Obama, McCain etc. is an example of our way of life
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There is enough real crap about this guy out there that some of this crap hurts campaign against this guy and helps his election. Obama hasahistory of associating with radicals, communists among them. Is Obama a card carrying member, no I don';t think so....but their socialist beliefs have rubbed off of him. U can see that by the admittedly limited legislature he's been a part of. But again, there is enough hard evidence, that we really don't need to go down this rabbit hole.
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There is enough real crap about this guy out there that some of this crap hurts campaign against this guy and helps his election. Obama hasahistory of associating with radicals, communists among them. Is Obama a card carrying member, no I don';t think so....but their socialist beliefs have rubbed off of him. U can see that by the admittedly limited legislature he's been a part of. But again, there is enough hard evidence, that we really don't need to go down this rabbit hole.
What hard evidence? He's a "to the left" democrat. so what? big surprise.
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Listen fuckface...Your dumb ass is so racist you cant see the wreckless moves the repubs are making just to win the white house.
What issues concern Obama..He looks to be sitting pretty to me.
This is what he means by change and hope. American has gone down the tubes "thanks to the current repub admin and with different policies we can change and right the ship. Dont get me wrong, Bush did well for the insanely rich but for regular Americans he has been the merchant of death and McLame is going to continue it.
Vile hate filled comments.
Typical of the Obama base:
Avoiding the debate- you still haven’t discussed the topic.
Calling someone a racists if they don’t like or vote Obama.
Blaming everything from 9-11 to today’s bad weather on Bush.
Blaring the words hope and change every time the wind shifts; and not really being able to explain what it means besides saying it means no more Bush. Well, Duh!
Obama has convinced you and millions of other zombies that America is bad, we cause the world’s problems, we have “gone down the tubes”, that rich people are evil…good grief, I could continue.
Apparently you don't mind a presidential candidates viciousness towards America.
You are a text-book Obama robot.
You sound just like an Obama speech.
Get your head out of his ass and think for yourself.
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"Burned at stake" - are you referring to her pastor, a self-proclaimed witch hunter?
"communist" - are you referring to her hubby, who spent 10 years as a member of the Alaskan separist party?
You are the dumbest SOB on this board.
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Without a doubt 240 is a tard.
Atleast Ozmo seems to atleast fire back with real thoughts.
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Without a doubt 240 is a tard.
In general, I'd say no, but he is completely over the top insane about Palin, and it's taking away from other points.
The VP just doesn't matter that much. Quayle was a complete dunce and was completly owned in his VP debates the first round. Bush still won.
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In general, I'd say no, but he is completely over the top insane about Palin, and it's taking away from other points.
The VP just doesn't matter that much. Quayle was a complete dunce and was completly owned in his VP debates the first round. Bush still won.
completely different scenario. bush was NOT 72 yo at the time with 4 bouts of cancer, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, arthritis, PTSD etc
NT