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Its almost pointless because we'll all fall along party lines.....Here's what Drudge's poll said.
{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...
MCCAIN
72% 8,859
OBAMA
26% 3,173
NEITHER
3% 353
Total Votes: 12,385
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I thought both guys did enough, no major gaffes. However McCain said Obama was naive and didn't get it while Obama said he agreed with McCain...thats being made into an add.
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Drudge ?
hahaaaaaaaa!
NT
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Yeah drudge.....I'm digging for others. And Drudge is a news clearing house.....
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mccain won but it was close and like you said no gaffes by either side...The debate got better as it went on for the first 10-15 mins i was seriously thinking of switching the channel
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Drudge ?
hahaaaaaaaa!
NT
LOL you had libs quoting national enquirer a week or so ago...by the way how did that story pan out?
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first impressions
McCain did much better than I thought he would
Obama can seem robotic at times
McCain is savvy politician and also a person who will lie to your face
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first impressions
McCain did much better than I thought he would
Obama can seem robotic at times
McCain is savvy politician and also a person who will lie to your face
Agreed but to think anything different about obama is ignorant and very stupid...
Was it just me or did mccain look younger than usual and obama look older than usual tonight?
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Agreed but to think anything different about obama is ignorant and very stupid...
Was it just me or did mccain look younger than usual and obama look older than usual tonight?
McCain looked better than I expected and performed better than I expected
I think he's a very talented liar
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McCain looked better than I expected and did better than I expected
I think he's a very talented liar
what about obama strawman? you dont think he is a bold faced liar as well?
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what about obama strawman? you dont think he is a bold faced liar as well?
much less so
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McCain gained momentum in the last hour. Obama was composed. Nobody fucked up majorly. Call it what it was.
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a tie?
I'll never never vote for McCain
my only choices are
1. don't vote
2. vote for some "alternative" party
3. vote for Obama
4. don't vote (yes, this is a repeat)
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Its almost pointless because we'll all fall along party lines.....Here's what Drudge's poll said.
{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...
MCCAIN
72% 8,859
OBAMA
26% 3,173
NEITHER
3% 353
Total Votes: 12,385
Umm no YOU fall along party lines with your constant everyone's a liberal diarrhea of the mouth.
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i thought Obama won the first half and McCain the second half.
Kind of even
I call it inconsequential.
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i thought Obama won the first half and McCain the second half.
Kind of even
I call it inconsequential.
That's how I felt. Although, it favors Obama by the sheer fact that he's leading in the polls.
I thought McCain had to avoid appearing old and out of touch. He accomplished that.
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I agree with Pat Buchanan. No knockout by either guy; but McCain gets it on points.
All three networks (Fox, CNN, MSNBC) seem to come to the consensus that Obama let McCain dictate the pace of this debate. He didn't take command and DID NOT go for the jugular or the knockout blow.
And, that continues to worry some Democrats, that Obama can't seal the deal.
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inconsequential.
Perfect.
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Obama seemed way narrow from the front. McCain was way wider, but the height difference made him look overall smaller.
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I can't find a single poll yet that has McCain winning. Most have obama with a decent lead.
Seeing as they're nearly tied in polls, it means that a lot of people who plan on voting for mccain, believe that obama won.
WWill be cool to see more polls emerge. I missed the debate, looking for it now.
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http://www.drudgereport.com/
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drudge has mccain winning, wow. i'm looking for a replay.
i can't wait to see the polls move.
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drudge has mccain winning, wow. i'm looking for a replay.
i can't wait to see the polls move.
I think overall it was so even you are gonna see votes along partisian lines. Drudge is just a clearing house so im sure once the libs wakeup it will be more even.
McCain failed on the first part, but was strong on the second. I dont know that the poll numbers will change at all after this.
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Agreed but to think anything different about obama is ignorant and very stupid...
Was it just me or did mccain look younger than usual and obama look older than usual tonight?
Not only that, but B. O. was sweating like a slave. I could almost smell him through my television.
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September 27, 2008, 1:47 am
The First Debate: A Win for Obama
By Michael A. Cohen
Michael A. Cohen is a senior research fellow at the New America Foundation and the author of “Live From the Campaign Trail: The Greatest Presidential Campaign Speeches of the 20th Century and How They Shaped Modern America.” (Full biography.)
Any analysis of the first presidential debate in Oxford, Miss,. must begin with a simple question:What was each candidate trying to achieve?
For Barack Obama it was all about the half of all Americans who still think he lacks the requisite qualifications to be president. Would he seem knowledgeable and effective in talking about serious foreign policy issues? Would he be able to reassure them that they can trust him with the nation’s most powerful job? Would he be able to go toe-to-toe with John McCain.
For Mr. McCain, who is trailing in the polls and has had a rough two-week stretch since the financial crisis broke, he needed a clear victory Friday night. Considering that foreign policy is seen as his strong point he needed to portray Mr. Obama as naïve and inexperienced and not up to the job of commander in chief. More important, after his behavior of this past week, he needed to cultivate an air of statesmanship and counteract the growing chorus of recklessness being heard in the national media.
On a substantive level, both candidates acquitted themselves well. In a political vacuum, this debate would seem like a tie. But as any fan of baseball knows, the tie goes to the runner.
Well, in politics, the tie goes to the candidate who has the momentum and right now that candidate is Barack Obama and from that perspective the debate was an important tactical victory for him. He more than held his own and at times seemed more effective and knowledgeable than Mr. McCain whose efforts to paint his rival as inexperienced fell flat and occasionally seemed mean-spirited.
Beyond the mere question of expectations, Mr. Obama was far better at relating the debate to those issues that are of greatest concern to voters. His relentless message discipline was again on keen display.
Nowhere was that more evident than in the debate’s initial economic discussion. While neither candidate seemed willing to go on the record in support of the federal bailout plan now being negotiated in Washington, Mr. Obama talked about the financial crisis in terms of how it affected voters directly. He linked the turmoil on Wall Street to issues like health care and jobs, and he seemed more empathetic than Mr. McCain.
Mr. McCain spent much of the economic part of the debate talking about earmark spending. He mentioned it three times and was relentless in his focus on the scourge of government spending. As one TV commentator joked, he clearly has sewn up the anti-earmark segment of the electorate.
But it begs the question: Are Americans really concerned about government spending? At a time when there are warnings of another Great Depression, Mr. McCain’s incessant focus seemed off the mark and unhelpful.
On the larger foreign policy questions, Mr. McCain was far stronger and consistently hit his main talking points, particularly in describing his support for the surge in Iraq and raising doubt about the qualifications of his opponent. On the latter point, he said repeatedly that Mr. Obama “doesn’t understand” the key issues affecting the country. But he might have taken the point too far. Considering that more than half of all Americans support Mr. Obama’s view of the war in Iraq (namely that it was a mistake) and agree with him about the need to speak directly with foreign leaders who are enemies of the United States, Mr. McCain risked indirectly insulting voters who share Mr. Obama’s views. His constant refrain, while effective message discipline, may have brought diminishing returns for the candidate
In addition, it seems clear that Mr. McCain does not like his opponent. He never looked at him and even in the pre-debate handshake gave him an apparent cold shoulder. The result was that Mr. McCain at times seemed annoyed with Mr. Obama and unable to hide his contempt.
In contrast, Mr. Obama was restrained, even laconic, passing up numerous opportunities to aggressively counter-attack his opponent. At times he wandered too far into law professor mode, but for the supposedly less experienced candidate, there were no obvious mistakes or gaffes. It was a workmanlike performance. And the one word that came to mind when watching the Democratic nominee was “statesmanlike.” Even if you didn’t agree with Mr. Obama, it’s hard to argue that he didn’t come across as serious and sober.
Maybe this was purposeful; an effort to cultivate an image of the steady hand. His constant assertion that Mr. McCain was “right” or that he agreed with him seemed at times over the top, but likely appealed to undecided voters tired of partisanship in Washington.
In the end, Mr. Obama went into Friday night the clear favorite in the presidential election. Nothing that happened in Mississippi changed the direction of the race. And with less than 40 days until Election Day that means a win in Mr. Obama’s column.
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No one won; we all have lost. :-\
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No one won; we all have lost. :-\
shut your piehole
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On a substantive level, both candidates acquitted themselves well. In a political vacuum, this debate would seem like a tie. But as any fan of baseball knows, the tie goes to the runner.
Tell that to IFBB Judges ;D
Beyond the mere question of expectations, Mr. Obama was far better at relating the debate to those issues that are of greatest concern to voters. His relentless message discipline was again on keen display.
On the economy I would agree with this. McCain had a great opportunity to finallly shoot down Obamas inexperience down and actually point blank ask him how giving the poorest people more welfare is going to stimulate the economy rather than giving tax breaks to bussinesses who will employ them and allow them to suceed. He didnt answer Obama thus failed on that part of the debate.
To me at least McCain showed that he is vastly more ready to lead on foreign policy and that Obama can remember facts well and regurgitate what his advisors have told him. He really just doesnt understand the world and our enemies and that is very dangerous. Obama like Palin needs more time on the national stage before he is ready.
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shut your piehole
Why do you think so highly of Obama?
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I would call last night's debate even. If there were to be a slight edge, I'd say it goes to McCain, but only because evident he got under Obama's skin.
They both faired well, I thought, last night.
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I would call last night's debate even. If there were to be a slight edge, I'd say it goes to McCain, but only because evident he got under Obama's skin.
They both faired well, I thought, last night.
Ron Paul on the 'debate'...
"A ritual, a charade."
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I would call last night's debate even. If there were to be a slight edge, I'd say it goes to McCain, but only because evident he got under Obama's skin.
They both faired well, I thought, last night.
totally agree. mccain performed better than i expected, but still acted like an ANGRY old man. i think obama was caught off guard by mccain's constant "no eye contact" attacks.
my honest opinion = mccain by a nose.
NT
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shut your piehole
I repeat; what is so great about Obama?
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No one won; we all have lost. :-\
unfortunately this is true.
Sandra
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unfortunately this is true.
Sandra
Hmm...interesting that you agree.
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Hmm...interesting that you agree.
Actually, I can see the writing onthe wall. Politicians of either party will say what they will to get into power.
Who ever gets into the oval office will still take 700 Billion from us taxpayers whether we like it or not.
We will still be in two wars, uninsured, undereducated, poverty stricken Americans.
How anyone can right this mess when congress and the senate talk,debate and take vacations in the middle of crisis is quite sad.
Remember, the Republicans were going to bring honor back to the white house after the Clinton years.
It makes you realize how insignificant a blow job really was.
Sandra
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Ron Paul on the 'debate'...
"A ritual, a charade."
nobody give a shit
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Why do you think so highly of Obama?
smarter candidate, steady temperment, solid on the issues[/quote]
totally agree. mccain performed better than i expected, but still acted like an ANGRY old man. i think obama was caught off guard by mccain's constant "no eye contact" attacks.
my honest opinion......mccain by a nose.
NT
Nonsense, and those polls of those undecided disagree with you as well. ;)
Obama was smooth and unflappable...as always. The cranky old man never got under Obama's skin, despite his lies.
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Actually, I can see the writing onthe wall. Politicians of either party will say what they will to get into power.
Who ever gets into the oval office will still take 700 Billion from us taxpayers whether we like it or not.
We will still be in two wars, uninsured, undereducated, poverty stricken Americans.
How anyone can right this mess when congress and the senate talk,debate and take vacations in the middle of crisis is quite sad.
Remember, the Republicans were going to bring honor back to the white house after the Clinton years.
It makes you realize how insignificant a blow job really was.
Sandra
You always bring common sense into a thread. There are very few people that don't fit that mold. Both these candidates are full of shit and if anyone cared enough you could find out in a hurry that they are in someone else's back pocket.
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You always bring common sense into a thread. There are very few people that don't fit that mold. Both these candidates are full of shit and if anyone cared enough you could find out in a hurry that they are in someone else's back pocket.
Why don't you two have sex and then engage in a suicide pact, since you are both so disillusioned with American politicians?
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You always bring common sense into a thread. There are very few people that don't fit that mold. Both these candidates are full of shit and if anyone cared enough you could find out in a hurry that they are in someone else's back pocket.
Word.
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I can't find a single poll yet that has McCain winning. Most have obama with a decent lead.
Seeing as they're nearly tied in polls, it means that a lot of people who plan on voting for mccain, believe that obama won.
WWill be cool to see more polls emerge. I missed the debate, looking for it now.
The poll they did on Fox, during Hannity and Colmes, had McCain winning the debate.
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Why don't you two have sex and then engage in a suicide pact, since you are both so disillusioned with American politicians?
LOL @ the Obama-Bot.
Benny, is there ANYTHING about Obama that you disagree with or did you drink the purple flavor Kool-Aid in one gulp?
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The poll they did on Fox, during Hannity and Colmes, had McCain winning the debate.
And if Keith Olbermann or Rachel Maddows did a poll asking their listeners to text, who do you think would register with a larger margin? I'm so sick of analyses and explanations from the lobotomized!
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LOL @ the Obama-Bot.
Benny, is there ANYTHING about Obama that you disagree with or did you drink the purple flavor Kool-Aid in one gulp?
I created a thread expressing just SOME of my differences with the democratic party, jackass. Did you bother to post in that thread on the ways in which you differ from your beloved repube party? ::)
You've been sippin' the Bush Kool-Aid for 8 years and then have the gall to run your mouth here. Go choke on your own vomit.
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I created a thread expressing just SOME of my differences with the democratic party, jackass. Did you bother to post in that thread on the ways in which you differ from your beloved repube party? ::)
You've been sippin' the Bush Kool-Aid for 8 years and then have the gall to run your mouth here. Go choke on your own vomit.
Ouch! Based on that last post, ...I'd have to say Benny
Hey w8tlftr ...you ok dude? :o You took a real hard one to the face. Your nose isn't broken or anything is it? :-\
(http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/qq256/Yourbustedbitch/owned9wz.jpg)
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No one won; we all have lost. :-\
True. Both sides were unimpressive.
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I created a thread expressing just SOME of my differences with the democratic party, jackass. Did you bother to post in that thread on the ways in which you differ from your beloved repube party? ::)
You've been sippin' the Bush Kool-Aid for 8 years and then have the gall to run your mouth here. Go choke on your own vomit.
LOL you're such a robot, Benny. If you even read your own thread you would have seen my post - I'm not a Republican.
LOL at mindless robots like you that keep America trapped by the two party system.
Now bugger off. I heard there's a $9.99 special on a drumstick and thigh bucket at KFC you'll probably want to check out. ;D
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Ouch! Based on that last post, ...I'd have to say Benny
Hey w8tlftr ...you ok dude? :o You took a real hard one to the face. Your nose isn't broken or anything is it? :-\
(http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/qq256/Yourbustedbitch/owned9wz.jpg)
BWAAHAHAHAHA
Did you read that thread, Judi? I posted on it.
That robot couldn't hurt me on his best day. ;D
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LOL you're such a robot, Benny. If you even read you own thread you would have seen my post - I'm not a Republican.
LOL at mindless robots like you that keep America trapped by the two party system.
Now bugger off. I heard there's a $9.99 special on a drumstick and thigh bucket at KFC you'll probably want to check out. ;D
Ron Paul
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Ron Paul
QFT
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Its almost pointless because we'll all fall along party lines.....Here's what Drudge's poll said.
{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...
MCCAIN
72% 8,859
OBAMA
26% 3,173
NEITHER
3% 353
Total Votes: 12,385
I thought McCain had a better performance. The question I asked myself during the debate is which one of these guys do I want leading the military? Pretty obvious answer after watching them. Obama is really in over his head.
I really didn't like Obama's attitude. McCain was right about Obama being stubborn regarding the surge. He was right about Obama not understanding that you don't go around talking about bombing Pakistan when we still need their help. ::) Obama also had the Al Gore-like smirks and repeatedly tried to interrupt McCain. Very poor temperament.
McCain didn't look like his usual Skeletor self, but that isn't saying much. He isn't going to win this election because of his looks. He still looks like an old grandpa.
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I thought McCain had a better performance. The question I asked myself during the debate is which one of these guys do I want leading the military? Pretty obvious answer after watching them. Obama is really in over his head.
I really didn't like Obama's attitude. McCain was right about Obama being stubborn regarding the surge. He was right about Obama not understanding that you don't go around talking about bombing Pakistan when we still need their help. ::) Obama also had the Al Gore-like smirks and repeatedly tried to interrupt McCain. Very poor temperament.
McCain didn't look like his usual Skeletor self, but that isn't saying much. He isn't going to win this election because of his looks. He still looks like an old grandpa.
You know what's funny about this?
I talked to someone yesterday who is a liberal and they virtually said the same thing you just did.
Except the names were switched around.
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You know what's funny about this?
I talked to someone yesterday who is a liberal and they virtually said the same thing you just did.
Except the names were switched around.
lol. I always find it interesting how people can look at the exact same thing and see something completely different. It's one of the things that makes life entertaining.
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lol. I always find it interesting how people can look at the exact same thing and see something completely different. It's one of the things that makes life entertaining.
So true.
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You know what's funny about this?
I talked to someone yesterday who is a liberal and they virtually said the same thing you just did.
Except the names were switched around.
Actually, there were some democratic strategists who did say that Obama needs to tone down his attitude during the debates. They said that if he can do that he'll look more "presidential".
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Actually, there were some democratic strategists who did say that Obama needs to tone down his attitude during the debates. They said that if he can do that he'll look more "presidential".
Not surprised. Although, I thought he kept his composer pretty well. I'd bet there is similar views in reverse too.
McCain IMO, looked feeble. But McCain debated well.
I wonder how much gel and hair spray they used to keep that comb over in check.
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Not surprised. Although, I thought he kept his composer pretty well. I'd bet there is similar views in reverse too.
McCain IMO, looked feeble. But McCain debated well.
I wonder how much gel and hair spray they used to keep that comb over in check.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA (that wasn't even right, bro ;D)
Yep, the republican strategists said that McCain needs to show some more spunk. His delivery overshadowed the contents of his dialogue in the debate.
I'm still laughing about the comb-over. Man, you ain't right. haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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You know what's funny about this?
I talked to someone yesterday who is a liberal and they virtually said the same thing you just did.
Except the names were switched around.
lol, I'm hearing this as well.
I think anyone who said one candidate destoyed the other in this debate isn't even worth having a discussion with.
I cannot stand people who can't concede any points at all, everything's an all or nothing affair. I find it especially annoying with Obama supporters - they are giving him a pass on EVERYTHING. (I know both sides do this, I just don't see it as much on the Republican side. Probably because they're not thrilled with McCain either.)
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lol, I'm hearing this as well.
I think anyone who said one candidate destoyed the other in this debate isn't even worth having a discussion with.
I cannot stand people who can't concede any points at all, everything's an all or nothing affair. I find it especially annoying with Obama supporters - they are giving him a pass on EVERYTHING. (I know both sides do this, I just don't see it as much on the Republican side. Probably because they're not thrilled with McCain either.)
I can't stand that either. But they are many times what makes this forum fun. There are a few of them here on Getbig, and some that seem that way but are really not.
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Obama Didn’t Address Middle America in the Debate
September 28, 2008 - by Mary Grabar
pajamasmedia.com (http://pajamasmedia.com)
On the night of the first presidential debate, I shrieked when Barack Obama said in response to John McCain’s suggestion of a spending freeze to alleviate our financial crisis, “The problem with a spending freeze is you’re using a hatchet where you need a scalpel. There are some programs that are very important that are under-funded. I want to increase early childhood education and the notion that we should freeze that when there may be, for example, this Medicare subsidy doesn’t make sense.”
In response to McCain’s suggestion of considering a spending freeze except for “the caring of veterans, national defense, and several other vital issues,” Obama had the audacity to suggest increases for government preschools. Then he suggested cutting the military budget: “Let me tell you another place to look for some savings. We are currently spending $10 billion a month in Iraq when they have a $79 billion surplus. It seems to me that if we’re going to be strong at home as well as strong abroad, that we have to look at bringing that war to a close.”
Apparently, for Obama, government preschools will make us “strong at home.”
I had received a call from a friend that afternoon asking if I could give her a ride to our usual Friday night activity of contra dancing. She could not find gas to buy in the Atlanta area — even at $4.20 a gallon. On my seven-mile drive home from work, I passed a dozen gas stations with their price signs blank, except for one that had a line of cars out in the street with drivers waiting to buy gas.
Here, we’re worried about being able to buy gas to get to work. Across the country, people are worried about losing their life savings and their homes. Some say that this is the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.
And Barack Obama wants to increase spending on government preschools.
I anxiously awaited commentary on this absurdity from the pundits lined up on Fox News.
Nothing.
Nothing on CNN or MSNBC either. In fact, many commentators, even conservatives, opined that [1] Obama won the debate in terms of style and effectiveness. Why? He said “middle class” numerous times, while McCain did not. McCain failed to connect with Middle America, they said. In fact, the Obama campaign has released an [2] ad with an announcer saying, “Number of minutes in debate: 90. Number of times John McCain mentioned the middle class: zero.”
But despite his repetition of the phrase, and the recently acquired flag lapel pin, Barack Obama is not appealing to the middle class or to Middle America.
Obama is still appealing to the same people he appealed to as a community organizer: the disenfranchised who have spent generations in public housing, the bitter single mothers who expect government to provide them with daycare, the easily outraged, and those duped into believing that they are victims of a racist and sexist America; they see Obama as the savior. (His other supporters are parent-supported idealistic college students and the Hollywood stars disconnected from reality.) In fact, on the Association for Community Organization and Social Administration website, Chair Tracy M. Soska from the University of Pittsburgh School of Social Work wrote a [3] defense of Obama’s experience as a community organizer in response to criticism from Sarah Palin and Rudy Giuliani. The “skills” of a community organizer that translate into leadership abilities sound like nothing more than the duties of a government nanny:
* “listen to and involve citizenry on issues affecting them;
* “bridge differences to develop common visions and action plans;
* “mobilize resources — most importantly, people — to work on common agendas.”
And the list goes on in the same vague, feel-good way that one would expect from a make-work position.
Are these the kinds of skills Middle America is looking for in their next president?
Obama’s base also sees a college education as a fundamental right because it provides entrée to a well-paying job. That’s it. No concern about qualifications or the intellectual ability and discipline to master the work.
Obama, the former overpaid temporary part-time lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School at $60,000 a year, who taught such classes as “[4] Race, Racism, and the Law,” said, as he has said so often, that we have to “make sure that college is affordable to every young person in America.” But Obama has never taught at any of the community colleges that I have for $6,300 a year as a part-time instructor and faced students on special scholarships who do not bother to read the material, bring books to class, or even keep their heads up during class discussion. He also wants, as he stated during the debate, to “make sure that we’re competing in education” by “investing in science and technology.” The students I see I am sure fare no better in calculus than they do in my freshman composition classes. In fact, we import more and more students in math and science, mainly because our students have been led to believe that school is supposed to be a fun place where they think well of themselves and train for bringing about “social change.”
When Obama expressed agreement with McCain about the need to help veterans, it was not in terms of medical care and rehabilitation for those who have lost limbs, but for those suffering post-traumatic stress disorder. Again, the nanny state taking care of soldiers traumatized by an unjust war, in Obama’s eyes.
Obama brought up national health insurance. McCain quite rightly said that Americans don’t want the federal government in charge of health care.
Again, not a peep from the commentators on any of these points.
The stutterer who had to search for words and his bracelet to remind himself of the name of the fallen soldier did not connect with Middle America, despite the pass given him by the pundits. Obama, in fact — through his proposal for the government nanny state, with everything from indoctrination centers for preschoolers, to government health care, to the implication that our veterans are mentally ill — was the furthest from Middle America. Obama is still speaking to the masses at community rallies, the disenfranchised who believe that government should take care of them.
McCain needs to point that out in the next debate and let the large segment of still-undecided voters know that Obama is not speaking to Middle America.
Article printed from Pajamas Media: http://pajamasmedia.com
URL to article: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-didnt-address-middle-america-in-the-debate/
URLs in this post:
[1] Obama: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080927/ap_on_en_tv/tv_debate_night
[2] ad: https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/09/27/2008-09-27_john_mccain_and_barack_obama_waste_l
ittl.html
[3] defense: http://www.acosa.org/CO_ACOSA_Message.pdf
[4] Race, Racism, and the Law: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-k-wilson/the-emtimesem-distorted-p_b_115801.html
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Its almost pointless because we'll all fall along party lines.....Here's what Drudge's poll said.
{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...
MCCAIN
72% 8,859
OBAMA
26% 3,173
NEITHER
3% 353
Total Votes: 12,385
this is the shit im talking about...I officially retire from talking politics on GETBIG...dude you cant be serious. This is an extreme crock and you know it and to post it is just irresponsible..Freaking sickening..Partyline politics = sickening and for the sheep...Freaking exuse making fuckos.