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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: TrapsMcLats on September 26, 2008, 07:34:32 PM
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JOHN has rhetoric to make dumbasses smile. Obama has cold, hard facts, solutions and perspective. You're getting PWNED, right wingers. McCain is old and foolish.
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Yeah...McCain won...forget it.
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Only a moron would think McCain won.
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Yeah...Ok give me stats and facts some real debate. i bet u can't so forget it. Ur guy sounded weak....
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McCain tells stories that make middle american dumbasses smile. Obama gives a hard dose of reality. You don't need to quantify that.
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Mccain fudged his facts big time. Factcheck.org is going to have a field day with this. Hopefully the American people will have the sense to follow up on the facts.
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Yeah, on CNN this dude said that MCCain was able to get under obamas skin. Well no shit..he kept misquoting him. Also, why did McCain never look at Obama in the eye.
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OBAMA="I agree with john"...not gonna win any votes...this was mind numbing to a certain extent but mccain did come out ahead on this one.
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Ok TA what facts were wrong? Gimme abreak....
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OBAMA="I agree with john"...not gonna win any votes...this was mind numbing to a certain extent but mccain did come out ahead on this one.
i dunno, it shows that obama isn't just in blind disagreement. It makes Obama looks intelligent while McCain floundered in a land of absolutes.
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McCain came out blazing on the economy and he really pointed out the fact that Obama has no clue on Afghanistan. He was asked about that and he brought up Biden..what?
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McCain came out blazing on the economy and he really pointed out the fact that Obama has no clue on Afghanistan. He was asked about that and he brought up Biden..what?
What are you blazing? ::)
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i dunno, it shows that obama isn't just in blind disagreement. It makes Obama looks intelligent while McCain floundered in a land of absolutes.
i would agree if he had only said it once, but he said it a few times and that doesnt fly with me imho...I would have liked to hear him talk more on russia mccain went on for like 3 mins on the entire situation in that region and obama only said "I agree with john, but id like to say i was more stern in my first comments about the russian georgian conflict" to me that means that he clearly doesnt know that much about the region
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Major Gaffe: McCain Said Pakistan Was a Failed State
McCain just badly misstated the history of Pakistan. For someone claiming extensive foreign policy knowledge, this is simply not acceptable. McCain said Pakistan was a failed state before President Musharraf came to power. That is not true.
Musharraf took power in a military coup in 1999 when he diposed Nawaz Sharif - who recently participated in the latest election. The coup followed the 1999 war in Kashmir with India and was due to a power struggle with Sharif, not due to Pakistan being a "failed state." The United States did not welcome the Musharraf coup. Instead the government of the United States imposed sanctions against this action.
Remember Pakistan had nuclear weapons in 1999. Did McCain believe that there was a failed state that possessed nuclear weapons? If he did he showed no concern at the time. The fact is McCain made a huge gaffe and demonstrated he has little understanding if the region.
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i would agree if he had only said it once, but he said it a few times and that doesnt fly with me imho...I would have liked to hear him talk more on russia mccain went on for like 3 mins on the entire situation in that region and obama only said "I agree with john, but id like to say i was more stern in my first comments about the russian georgian conflict" to me that means that he clearly doesnt know that much about the region
Just because they are different parties does not mean that they disagree on everything on every level. There will always be common ground somewhere. Obama was just a bigger man and admitted it.
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he fucked up the pres of pakistans name too.
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Just because they are different parties does not mean that they disagree on everything on every level. There will always be common ground somewhere. Obama was just a bigger man and admitted it.
LOL I agree that there will be common ground but on the last statement ::)
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Lets not forget that foreign policy was supposed to be mccain's strong point and Obama came out looking more knowledged than Mccain. I'm not saying that McCain didn't bring up any good points, but this should've been where McCain came on strong and he just couldn't.
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Lets not forget that foreign policy was supposed to be mccain's strong point and Obama came out looking more knowledged than Mccain. I'm not saying that McCain didn't bring up any good points, but this should've been where McCain came on strong and he just couldn't.
please give an example of how obama looked more knowledgeable than mccain in the foreign policy department, I didnt see the entire debate so maybe i missed this part all in all mccain looked much more knowledgeable than obama on foreign affairs tonight.
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please give an example of how obama looked more knowledgeable than mccain in the foreign policy department, I didnt see the entire debate so maybe i missed this part all in all mccain looked much more knowledgeable than obama on foreign affairs tonight.
Mccain called pakistan a failed state, mispronounced their presidents name... said the same old bullshit that bush has always spouted, had his own advisors words (kissinger) thrown in his face and showed not one once of growth over the status quo. Obama was more informed and acknowledged that the worlds opinion matters and if we are in the worlds favor that help our cause. mccain fails to see that main fact=mccain looking old and stupid.
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Mccain called pakistan a failed state, mispronounced their presidents name... said the same old bullshit that bush has always spouted, had his own advisors words (kissinger) thrown in his face and showed not one once of growth over the status quo. Obama was more informed and acknowledged that the worlds opinion matters and if we are in the worlds favor that help our cause. mccain fails to see that main fact=mccain looking old and stupid.
LOL mccain looked much more informed on pakistan and its situation than obama imho.
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Afghanistan... Obama was right all along (this is where we should have been)
Iraq= Obama was right all along (we should never have been here, being in irAQ STRENGTHENED iran, their enemy).
North Korea= Mccain refuses to talk to them it "gives them clout"
Iran= bombbombbomb, bomb bomb iran...
obama=win
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You are failing to see that america's isolationism ended the day the towers fell and Mccain can't figure that out. Its a different world and Obama is ready for that while McCain is stuck in 1987.
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Afghanistan... Obama was right all along (this is where we should have been)
Iraq= Obama was right all along (we should never have been here, being in irAQ STRENGTHENED iran, their enemy).
North Korea= Mccain refuses to talk to them it "gives them clout"
Iran= bombbombbomb, bomb bomb iran...
obama=win
LOL ::)
Obama was not right all along in iraq remember him saying no to the surge
Afghanistan I agree but obama has no idea how to handle the situation there or in pakistan
Mccain didnt say he wouldnt communicate with north korea only not sit down face to face
obama attack pakistan territory
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LOL ::)
Obama was not right all along in iraq remember him saying no to the surge
Afghanistan I agree but obama has no idea how to handle the situation there or in pakistan
Mccain didnt say he wouldnt communicate with north korea only not sit down face to face
obama attack pakistan territory
the surge never worked, iraqi's worked on stopping violence. people worked together.
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Any rational person will see that neither candidate scored a knockout punch. Both did what they needed to do. It was a draw.
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You are failing to see that america's isolationism ended the day the towers fell and Mccain can't figure that out. Its a different world and Obama is ready for that while McCain is stuck in 1987.
LOL obama has no ideas on the situation in russia and its surrounding nations and and wants to go into pakistan territory without knowing the situation there.
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the surge never worked, iraqi's worked on stopping violence. people worked together.
you should get off the kool aid its fuking with your head.
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you should get off the kool aid its fuking with your head.
ok, answer this: according to Mccain, we have to achieve victory in Iraq. what is victory in iraq? I hear a lot of repubs talk about this but its never defined.
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Any rational person will see that neither candidate scored a knockout punch. Both did what they needed to do. It was a draw.
i could agree to that like i said very close.
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ok, answer this: according to Mccain, we have to achieve victory in Iraq. what is victory in iraq? I hear a lot of repubs talk about this but its never defined.
LOL well my definition of victory in iraq would be to have a self sustaining government to start...but McCains definition may not be the same so...
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LOL well my definition of victory in iraq would be to have a self sustaining government to start...but McCains definition may not be the same so...
I agree with you but the problem i see is that you can't fight ideology or faith with guns and we have bred a new generation of young terrorists in iraq. The Iraqi people agreed to stop killing each other (black people, you listening??) because they realized it would get the hated americans out of there faster. I'm not disagreeing with you on the self sustaining govt, but we have created a bit of a monster. If you haven't read "War is a force that gives us meaning" by chris hedges, please do so... its a great read and will provide some food for thought. Its not anti-war either, just a harsh look at the realities involved as opposed to the media realities we see.
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I agree with you but the problem i see is that you can't fight ideology or faith with guns and we have bred a new generation of young terrorists in iraq. The Iraqi people agreed to stop killing each other (black people, you listening??) because they realized it would get the hated americans out of there faster. I'm not disagreeing with you on the self sustaining govt, but we have created a bit of a monster. If you haven't read "War is a force that gives us meaning" by chris hedges, please do so... its a great read and will provide some food for thought. Its not anti-war either, just a harsh look at the realities involved as opposed to the media realities we see.
LOL ;D
I agree with you for the most part about creating a monster but this is what will happen when you fight any terrorist organization b/c they wont fight fair they will use tatics that put innocent ppl in harms way and outright attack innocents and since we cant just ignore them it will happen somewhere sooner or later. It is kinda like having one foot in quicksand and one foot on solid ground this is why i dont believe fighting a war with one hand behind your back like we have in iraq we have to satisfy military goals along with political goals in iraq with the ppl as well as the ppl at home in the US and i think that fuks us big time.
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LOL ;D
I agree with you for the most part about creating a monster but this is what will happen when you fight any terrorist organization b/c they wont fight fair they will use tatics that put innocent ppl in harms way and outright attack innocents and since we cant just ignore them it will happen somewhere sooner or later. It is kinda like having one foot in quicksand and one foot on solid ground this is why i dont believe fighting a war with one hand behind your back like we have in iraq we have to satisfy military goals along with political goals in iraq with the ppl as well as the ppl at home in the US and i think that fuks us big time.
I agree, the complete failure of the iraq war was in our style. it was too diplomatic. Not to sound harsh, but if you're the US and you want to win a war, you go in with the best and most advanced airforce in the world, you level every area that is problematic quickly (like shock and awe should have been) and you rebuild the country. You don't go intoa foreign land with a determined populace (even the simpsons referenced this with comparison to the iraq war, vietnam and the revolutionary war) and fight on the ground jut because you're worried about civilians. BUT THAT IS THE POINT isn't it? You can't fight a half war that shouldn't have been fought in the first place. this started out as a war against iraqi government and turned into a war against terrorist groups. We created that and we shouldn't hve been there in the first place.
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I agree, the complete failure of the iraq war was in our style. it was too diplomatic. Not to sound harsh, but if you're the US and you want to win a war, you go in with the best and most advanced airforce in the world, you level every area that is problematic quickly (like shock and awe should have been) and you rebuild the country. You don't go intoa foreign land with a determined populace (even the simpsons referenced this with comparison to the iraq war, vietnam and the revolutionary war) and fight on the ground jut because you're worried about civilians. BUT THAT IS THE POINT isn't it? You can't fight a half war that shouldn't have been fought in the first place. this started out as a war against iraqi government and turned into a war against terrorist groups. We created that and we shouldn't hve been there in the first place.
I agree, i will say this though if we hadnt gone to war with iraq in the beginning we would more than likely had entered a war with iran or pakistan within the first few years of being in afghanistan so we would still be fighting basically 2 wars. Although you never know if iran knew that we had the capability of going to war with them they may have not made some of the moves they have made soo...hind sights always 20/20 i guess.
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its true, anything was/is possible with bush.
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Ahahahahha liberal denial at its best. What freaking debate were you watching???
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these threads after debates are pointless... Like listening to pundits right after the debate.
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I'm not a liberal, i'm a rational human being who see the superiority of Obama, there's a big fucking difference.
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these threads after debates are pointless... Like listening to pundits right after the debate.
yeah, but its fun and it can lead to greater understanding of other's points of view. We're all being fairly open and respectful in this thread and i think that is part of the beauty of a "forum," its a learning tool as much as it is a sounding board. granted, some people don't want to listen to anything but their own farts, but i like to think there's something to be gained here.