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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: dantelis on September 29, 2008, 10:17:50 AM
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After the Mr. Olympia, described by many pro bodybuilders as the 'Superbowl of Bodybuilding, there isn't a single news article mentioning Dex's win over Jay. If bodybuilding was a sport, you'd think that someone would report an upset like that.
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95% of the "posing routines" were gay g4p pop-locking ass-shaking dancing stripping to r&b crap.
Bodybuilding needs more Dennis Wolfs and less Toney Freemans if they want to broaden its appeal.
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Do the Sports Books at the casinos have odds on the Olympia
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it wasn't reported because nobody outside of bodybuilding forums care
like i always say, notice how espn has nfl shows all year even in the offseason?
people are obsessed with the nfl, nobody cares about bodybuilding
every year in may when jim manion has his show here in pittsburgh, the show is advertised in the SPORTS SECTION OF THE NEWSPAPER 8)
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What's interesting is to see how much bodybuilding is reported in other countries. If you set up a Google News Alert on bodybuilding (http://news.google.com/news?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLD_en___US247&q=bodybuilding&um=1&tab=wn&nolr=1&sa=N&start=0 (http://news.google.com/news?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLD_en___US247&q=bodybuilding&um=1&tab=wn&nolr=1&sa=N&start=0)) , it seems like there is a bodybuilding news story from the Bahamas and/or Jamaica every week and ones from India, Thailand and other Asian countries almost weekly.
All the stories in the US seem to be local color stories. (examples: "Pumped up about bodybuilding", "Seminole woman eyes move to pro body building" and "His job is a workout")
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Do the Sports Books at the casinos have odds on the Olympia
Why would they? That's like taking bets on WWE matches.....
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it wasn't reported because nobody outside of bodybuilding forums care
like i always say, notice how espn has nfl shows all year even in the offseason?
people are obsessed with the nfl, nobody cares about bodybuilding
every year in may when jim manion has his show here in pittsburgh, the show is advertised in the SPORTS SECTION OF THE NEWSPAPER 8)
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Not to mention that "drugs" rule this "sport" Earl. ESPN nor any Sports network wants to televise "sports" that are directly and undoubtedly enhanced by drugs.
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Why would they? That's like taking bets on WWE matches.....
Maybe that is why Dex won this year...the IFBB is trying to get sports betting places to take pro bodybuilding seriously and start setting odds and taking bets. ;D
Actually, I think you can bet on just about anything with bookies can't you? They even will take bets on who will win the Oscars or the Miss America Pageant or even the Presidential election. (See http://www.sportsbook.com/betting/2008+Presidential+Election-betting-odds-754.html (http://www.sportsbook.com/betting/2008+Presidential+Election-betting-odds-754.html) for the last one.) Hell, they even have odds on who will win Dancing with the Stars: http://www.gambling911.com/entertainment/dancing-stars-betting-odds-september-29-2008-092908.html (http://www.gambling911.com/entertainment/dancing-stars-betting-odds-september-29-2008-092908.html).
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Not to mention that "drugs" rule this "sport" Earl. ESPN nor any Sports network wants to televise "sports" that are directly and undoubtedly enhanced by drugs.
Last Time I checked, ESPN used do a lot of coverage of bbing contests. Even had workout programs and American Muscle TV show, that was back a the height of The Great Physiques in the 90's...and they didn't have a problem with drugs back then
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Last Time I checked, ESPN used do a lot of coverage of bbing contests. Even had workout programs and American Muscle TV show, that was back a the height of The Great Physiques in the 90's...and they didn't have a problem with drugs back then
I think the presence of drugs in bodybuilding has less to do with it than the types of bodies that the overuse of drugs has created. The pros today are too damn huge and not many people want to look like them. Pro bodybuilding in the 90s killed any mass appeal that bodybuilding attained from Arnold and Pumping Iron. The common joe who workouts wants to look more like the guys in Men's Fitness and Maximum Fitness than the huge pros in Flex and Musclemag International.
And the subject of posing suits that show off the glutes that comes up on Getbig from time-to-time, is also something that ESPN and other cable channels probably want to avoid. The only channel that is going to bring back bodybuilding, unfortunately, is the gay cable channel.
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It has nothing to do with anything other than numbers......we don't have big enough numbers to substanciate the TV time. End of story....
It's al about the ratings..
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Last Time I checked, ESPN used do a lot of coverage of bbing contests. Even had workout programs and American Muscle TV show, that was back a the height of The Great Physiques in the 90's...and they didn't have a problem with drugs back then
"THEN" is the key word here. Past checks don't pay future bills. Steroids, while IMO aren't a big deal, to the media listening public it is and ESPN, etc. listens to their audience.
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It has nothing to do with anything other than numbers......we don't have big enough numbers to substanciate the TV time. End of story....
It's al about the ratings..
But Bob that's the point. BB contests are boring and don't appeal to mainstream America. Hell even Equestrian events and Dog shows are more acceptable than BB contests.
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But Bob that's the point. BB contests are boring and don't appeal to mainstream America. Hell even Equestrian events and Dog shows are more acceptable than BB contests.
Which is exactly what I just said....
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Which is exactly what I just said....
I would rather watch ice fishing, a backward marathon run by 70y/o midgets, a nascar rain delay, hell I would even watch a contest of who can blink first before attending a BB show.
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I would rather watch ice fishing, a backward marathon run by 70y/o midgets, a nascar rain delay, hell I would even watch a contest of who can blink first before attending a BB show.
Strange statement on this particular board ???
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95% of the "posing routines" were gay g4p pop-locking ass-shaking dancing stripping to r&b crap.
Bodybuilding needs more Dennis Wolfs and less Toney Freemans if they want to broaden its appeal.
fuck off m8, Toney braught the house down. Dont be mad your gild gotwet from Toney's ass shake.
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fuck off m8, Toney braught the house down. Dont be mad your gild gotwet from Toney's ass shake.
You contribute to bodybuilding's downfall.
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Which is exactly what I just said....
I'm saying even small boring venues like dog shows, spelling bees and equestrian events (which are even sports events really) overtake the BB shows on ESPN, etc. Really sad.
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2008 No More Proof Needed.
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2008 No More Proof Needed.
Thanks for that ???
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I think the presence of drugs in bodybuilding has less to do with it than the types of bodies that the overuse of drugs has created. The pros today are too damn huge and not many people want to look like them. Pro bodybuilding in the 90s killed any mass appeal that bodybuilding attained from Arnold and Pumping Iron. The common joe who workouts wants to look more like the guys in Men's Fitness and Maximum Fitness than the huge pros in Flex and Musclemag International.
And the subject of posing suits that show off the glutes that comes up on Getbig from time-to-time, is also something that ESPN and other cable channels probably want to avoid. The only channel that is going to bring bodybuilding, unfortunately, is the gay cable channel.
Bodybuilding didn’t get any “mass appeal” from Arnold and Pumping Iron. The same “EWWW!!! That’s gross!!!” comments you get from someone who see today’s bodybuilders you would get from someone in the 70s, if they saw pics of Arnold in his prime.
Heck, last year, when I bought the issue of IronMan, celebrating Arnold’s 60th birthday, the cashier took one look at the cover and gave her unsoliticed opinion, “That’s nasty!!!”. That cover is a (color) pic of Arnold Schwarzenegger, NOT Ronnie Coleman, NOT Jay Cutler, NOT Dexter Jackson.
And, you'd get the same reaction from showing photos of sub-200-lb bodybuilders like Shawn Ray (late 80s/early 90s) and Lee Labrada. Only one Mr. Olympia, of which I'm aware, has been used to endorse some fitness gizmo on an infomercial. That was Frank Zane, with the Torso Trak. They announced Zane as a 3-time Mr. Universe. When showing his picture, they highlight his Mr. Universe wins, while listing his 3 Mr. Olympia wins in much smaller letters.
Of course, when they show Zane actually using the Torso Trak, he is much smaller (since he's been retired for two decades). Zane, in his prime, would have been considered to big and too "gross".
Last Time I checked, ESPN used do a lot of coverage of bbing contests. Even had workout programs and American Muscle TV show, that was back a the height of The Great Physiques in the 90's...and they didn't have a problem with drugs back then.
They did show “American Muscle” and even some bodybuilding contests. However, 90 percent of the time, those were shown at 2 or 3 am. The contests were truncated and they were aired 4-6 months after they went down. As the internet became more prominent in the mid/late 90s, that formula simply didn't work very well.
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It has nothing to do with anything other than numbers......we don't have big enough numbers to substanciate the TV time. End of story....
It's al about the ratings..
Wrong since it wont take more than 10 seconds just to say who won the contest on any sport related show.
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After the Mr. Olympia, described by many pro bodybuilders as the 'Superbowl of Bodybuilding, there isn't a single news article mentioning Dex's win over Jay. If bodybuilding was a sport, you'd think that someone would report an upset like that.
Yeah shit, Squash isn't a sport either.
I do think that just because it isn't recognised (much more obvious illegal drug use) doesn't mean it's not a sport. Bull fighting isn't a recognised sport in this country. I don't know, people are gay.
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Yeah shit, Squash isn't a sport either.
I do think that just because it isn't recognised (much more obvious illegal drug use) doesn't mean it's not a sport. Bull fighting isn't a recognised sport in this country. I don't know, people are gay.
Squash is a vegetable.
Hope this heps
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Squash is a vegetable.
Hope this heps
You're a vegetable.
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Which is exactly what I just said....
THEN ITS A PROBLEM WITH THE IFBB AND THE PEOPLE WORKING FOR THE SYSTEM....NOT ENOUGH MARKETING SKILLS OR KNOWLEDE OF DEVELOPMENT ....THERE IS BULLSHIT ALL AROUND TV THAT SHOULD HAVE NO PLACE (THE HILLS, DOG RACING, THE HICK OLYMPICS, ECT)
BODYBUILDING CAN BE A HIGH TOUTED SPORT. EVERYONE IN AMERICA IS A WORKOUT ENTHUSIAST...PRO BODYBUILDERS ARE EQUIVALENT TO THE TOP. EVERYONE SHOULD LOOK UP TO THEM.....THE IFFB NEEDS TO STOP MAKING EXCUSES AND BEING SO NEGATIVE ....IFFB NEEDS TO BRING IN THE TOP EXECUTIVES OF EVERY SUPPLEMENT COMPANY AS WELL AS IN THE IFBB, CREATE A PLAN THAT WILL ENABLE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THE ARNOLD OR THE OLYMPIA TO NOT BE IN TV.....
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THEN ITS A PROBLEM WITH THE IFBB AND THE PEOPLE WORKING FOR THE SYSTEM....NOT ENOUGH MARKETING SKILLS OR KNOWLEDE OF DEVELOPMENT ....THERE IS BULLSHIT ALL AROUND TV THAT SHOULD HAVE NO PLACE (THE HILLS, DOG RACING, THE HICK OLYMPICS, ECT)
BODYBUILDING CAN BE A HIGH TOUTED SPORT. EVERYONE IN AMERICA IS A WORKOUT ENTHUSIAST...PRO BODYBUILDERS ARE EQUIVALENT TO THE TOP. EVERYONE SHOULD LOOK UP TO THEM.....THE IFFB NEEDS TO STOP MAKING EXCUSES AND BEING SO NEGATIVE ....IFFB NEEDS TO BRING IN THE TOP EXECUTIVES OF EVERY SUPPLEMENT COMPANY AS WELL AS IN THE IFBB, CREATE A PLAN THAT WILL ENABLE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THE ARNOLD OR THE OLYMPIA TO NOT BE IN TV.....
People here bleat and wail about paying 10 bucks for an autographed photo. What makes you think they’re going to come out in droves to support bodybuilding on TV?
It isn’t about excuses vs. non-excuses. As the saying goes, if it don’t make dollars, it don’t make sense. TV is very expensive and if you don’t get enough advertisements or benefactors to pony up some dinero, bodybuilding ain’t happening on major TV.
Arnold tried airing his bodybuilding championship in 1999. That didn’t go over too well, especially with the voice-over music, which had everyone posing to heavy metal, even though it was obvious that certain posers were using R&B/hip-hop music.
Then, of course, there was the World Bodybuilding Federation (WBF). These guys were on TV every week (WWF Superstars and WBF BodyStars), and the two championships were shown on PPV, and Vince McMahon had them other TV shows, every chance he could get. He featured them on Regis and Kathie Lee multiple times; and for a whole week, the WBF bodybuilders faced the WWF wrestlers on “Family Feud”.
The IFBB could bring in every brain trust in the supplement world, but that would have little effect, because they can’t connect to the casual fan, as it were. McMahon thought that some of his wrestling fans (many of who like muscular wrestlers) would gravitate towards the WBF. But, it didn’t happen. Many of my friends who were into wrestling thought the WBF was just plain stupid (and these guys were fans of Hulk Hogan, the Ultimate Warrior, and the Legion of Doom).
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Heck, last year, when I bought the issue of IronMan, celebrating Arnold’s 60th birthday, the cashier took one look at the cover and gave her unsoliticed opinion, “That’s nasty!!!”. That cover is a (color) pic of Arnold Schwarzenegger, NOT Ronnie Coleman, NOT Jay Cutler, NOT Dexter Jackson.
What did SHE look like?
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What did SHE look like?
As I recall, she was fairly good-looking.
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It has nothing to do with anything other than numbers......we don't have big enough numbers to substanciate the TV time. End of story....
It's al about the ratings..
Tony McEwing on LA's Fox 11 used to report on it awhile back because he was into bodybuilding...Lee Priest was on one morning (seriously can't remember but were you there or was it Titus?)
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It has nothing to do with anything other than numbers......we don't have big enough numbers to substantiate the TV time. End of story....
It's all about the ratings..
So, Bob, how do we change BB to make it more interesting and to bring in bigger numbers? We have to stop promoting physiques that are unattainable without massive amounts of steroids, GH and other chemicals. And mandating a rule that bans glute bearing posing suits and chippendale-style posing routines might alleviate some of the view that BB is a homosexual pursuit.
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"a backward marathon run by 70y/o midgets:"
That would be entertaining... Let me know when you hear of one. ;D
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As I see it, the problem we have here, isn't the current state of affairs, but rather our perception of them. We are a SUBCULTURE, and it is time that we started collectively thinking, and acting like one. Who the fuck really wants BB, to be mainstream anyway? Part of the appeal is the fact that it IS so out there. Its an incredibly self-empowering feeling, knowing that most people lack the discipline, to live such a regimented, and monotonous lifestyle. Also I would dare say that even the illegal aspect of it, also has some appeal. To be a competitive bodybuilder, you essentially have to be a criminal, and this Rogue mentality has some charm in its own right.
That being said.....if one were to REALLY try and reach out to the mainstream with BB, the only way to do it would be with a full scale reality show. When an average person sees a bodybuilder, they only see the end result, and of course walk away, with the impression, that the bodybuilder, is just a narcassitic clown. If people understood the drama/complications surrounding the lifestyle, and what it takes to make it competitively, then I think it would have a bigger following, (though probably not by much.)
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As I recall, she was fairly good-looking.
"farlry good looking" wasn't good enough for arnold during his prime
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