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What the hell has happened to Jays physique.
Does he actually have a problem here, or is it a mere diet calculation.
My personal opinion is, Jays body just isnt responding to the drugs like it once used to and he doesnt know what to do to make up for it. I know he's training and dieting harder than ever, because he was motivated as can be to win this years olympia, and he was in the same or worse shape he was last year.
Is it because after being on the sauce for half of his life and all of his adult like that his body simply does not respond to the drugs anymore?? Can this happen?
Also I think his body is most likely rejecting the diet he's using, and therefore not responding to it, because it is so used to it. There is no "shock" involved....
What u guys think happend to this once great Warrior :'(
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What the hell has happened to Jays physique.
It has become SHITTY ;D
Does he actually have a problem here, or is it a mere diet calculation.
He 'actually has a problem'
Is it because after being on the sauce for half of his life and all of his adult like that his body simply does not respond to the drugs anymore?? Can this happen?
No and No
Also I think his body is most likely rejecting the diet he's using, and therefore not responding to it, because it is so used to it. There is no "shock" involved....
From what I know he does not make any effort to get any EFA's in his diet. That is a problem, but I doubt a big enough problem to cause these degenerations in his physiquie that we are seeing.
What u guys think happend to this once great Warrior :'(
Too much gh(igf-1).
:)
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I thought he looked pretty amazing the 2nd night. Best on stage by miles.
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I thought he looked pretty amazing the 2nd night. Best on stage by miles.
yea he improved greatly on saturday, ( i hear he lost 12-15lbs from fri to sat ) what in the hell did he do?? and he needs to do more of it.
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yea he improved greatly on saturday, ( i hear he lost 12-15lbs from fri to sat ) what in the hell did he do?? and he needs to do more of it.
Diuretics
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glen,when are u gonna post you contest pix on positive baord like mike arvilla ask?
thanks
gene
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glen,when are u gonna post you contest pix on positive baord like mike arvilla ask?
thanks
gene
as soon as u post pics of yourself from the olympia expo :)
No i will, i just have to get my lazy ass to do it!
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as soon as u post pics of yourself from the olympia expo :)
No i will, i just have to get my lazy ass to do it!
i saaaaaaw u there ;)
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i saaaaaaw u there ;)
haha i bet u did, i was the only black guy who wasnt a pro bodybuilder there/didnt have a white woman attached to his arm!! :)
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any input anybody?
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He's maxed out. Just as there is a 'natural limit', theres is a 'absolute limit'.
And yes, he pretty much cant increase the dosage anymore, and he is no longer responding for the purpose of change, but only able to maintain.
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He's maxed out. Just as there is a 'natural limit', theres is a 'absolute limit'.
And yes, he pretty much cant increase the dosage anymore, and he is no longer responding for the purpose of change, but only able to maintain.
so do u think he can revive/improve his physique any?
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any input anybody?
I thought this question was directed to the resident gurus not the flotsam. Too bad Candidizzle isn't here to oblige.
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Jay could easily regain top form if................. ;)
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So Jim,
Im curious how would u do it with Jay???
And would u ever offer your services to someone like him ( lets say u werent retired from this ;D )
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so do u think he can revive/improve his physique any?
Not too any significant degree, and not when it matters (at contest time).
Meaning, even if he is able to make quality improvements in the offseason, it just doesnt look like he can hold them through his prep.
Take a look at his leg for example. Now you know it looks much improved in the offseason, but its the 1st area to loose when he diets.
This has been happening the last few years, and it appears to be irreverseable.
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Jay could easily regain top form if................. ;)
LOL bad example
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Not too any significant degree, and not when it matters (at contest time).
Meaning, even if he is able to make quality improvements in the offseason, it just doesnt look like he can hold them through his prep.
Take a look at his leg for example. Now you know it looks much improved in the offseason, but its the 1st area to loose when he diets.
This has been happening the last few years, and it appears to be irreverseable.
This is happening to more than just Jays legs :'(
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So Jim,
Im curious how would u do it with Jay???
And would u ever offer your services to someone like him ( lets say u werent retired from this ;D )
I would basically do a very similar program that I used on King although I am sure it would be modified based on how Jay responded. NO diuretics, no insulin, no IGF very low carb and not the traditional carb up.
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This is happening to more than just Jays legs :'(
Exactly, leg was just an example.
No disrespect to any gurus, but of course they will say they can get Jay back on top. They effectively have nothing to loose. If they work with Jay and it works out, they get all the props, but if it doesnt work....there was a miscalc in the final steps and we know what it was and can fix it next time.
People have been trying to get Jay back to 2001 form since, its his standard, but in the years since, it hasnt happ yet.
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I would basically do a very similar program that I used on King although I am sure it would be modified based on how Jay responded. NO diuretics, no insulin, no IGF very low carb and not the traditional carb up.
straight genius shit bro!!!! thanx for checkin out the thread. ;D
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I am contributing under the 'etc' category!
Two years ago Jay was extremely motivated to win the Olympia. He knew he had to have a bigger and better back than Ronnie and to most observers this is what he delivered. We can only imagine how hard he trained for most of the year for the 06 Olympia. It was close but Jay looked pretty good and still had better calves than Dexter and Ronnie.
In 2007, Ronnie was gone through injuries and he was unable to get anywhere near his best. Dennis Wolf trained at the wrong gym so he was not going to be a threat. The judges didn't put Dennis beside Jay so there was no direct comparison when it mattered. Dexter was his usual self and Jay has usually placed ahead of the Blade. Vic had a blemish re the law and closing a gym and upsetting members so perhaps he didn't place first because of considerations like that. Victor had a very impressive body last year.
Fast forward to 2008 and we find Jay not that motivated to train hard. Dexter took the Arnold but that wasn't the big title. He was looking better but his calves still let him down. Jay didn't worry about him. Victor was injured during the year so gone was another threat to his title. Dennis Wolf was a definite threat because this year everyone would have to pay attention to him. That is exactly what happened but for some reason he didn't seem as dominating as he was last year.
The 'dark horse' this year was Phil Heath who was saving himself for the big occasion. He amazed many a few months ago when he dominated a contest. His size, shape and proportions would take something to better.
I think Jay thought it would be fairly straight forward this year. The deal would be to dial in over a few months and blow them away with his size and shape. He would have enough cuts to hold his own. Whatever the reason, he appeared somewhat smooth at the prejudging and found himself quite a bit behind Dexter according to leaked scores. The full, thick and cut back from 2006 was a shadow of its former self. Oh, he was huge, but he had loose skin on the lower back that suggested he had lost some size. Perhaps bulking up too much stretches some skin that then hangs over the muscle. He probably had the best double biceps from the back but that was not enough to win this year. His glutes were nowhere near striated enough.
I would say that Dexter just looked better overall. Nice physique, quite big and fairly cut. Maybe the judges in the front row didn't notice his calves were missing! The abs/thigh pose probably won it for Dexter. Jay by comparison looked bizarre. Dexter had a smaller waist and a good taper to his shoulders. Jay was blocky and his abs were not symmetrical. Quite simply, Jay was carrying too much weight and part of it was fluid retention. Apparently he shed over 10 pounds between the judging and the show on Saturday night. I guess Jay thought the judges would be impressed and the title would remain his.
For whatever reason a paradigm shift occurred on Saturday night and a great physique won over a mass monster. I believe most of the competitors were happy with the result. Well, I can't imagine that Phil, Dennis or Toney were elated. All of them could have been given the title and an argument can be made that they were as good as Dexter. Unfortunately for Freeman, he has a torn pectoral that detracts from what was a huge and extremely cut physique. He even had decent calves!
From looking at the zillions of photos online and especially the comparison facility where you can bring up any two guys and run them through all the poses side by side and at the same size, I would say that Phil takes the title even though he was a bit narrow. So what, he still had a very full and cut package.
Next year promises to be a very competitive one because all the top guys feel they will be able to win it. Even Jay might have another go. Why not, all he has to do is lose about 20 pounds and come in ripped to shreds and with a smaller waistline. Thank goodness the era of the dinosaurs is over!
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As Dex said, Jays is dieting year round, eating super clean all the time....Maybe if he takes 1-2 months OFF dieting-drugs to refresh his body it might work but what do i know.
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I thought this question was directed to the resident gurus not the flotsam. Too bad Candidizzle isn't here to oblige.
Candizzle has responded twice in this thread. He posts as Tbombz now. The little punk doesn't even respect his mother enough to stay off a messageboard for a month so she won't be harassed(which I am not saying I think anyone should do).
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Jay could easily regain top form if................. ;)
Do you oversee the massive site injections in Shari's Shoulders and Arms, or does he just do that on his own?
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Jay could easily regain top form if................. ;)
Not even the best "guru" can save that guy.
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that rear dbp jay looks guestposing form.and he looks good guestposing all yr ,his body must burn out in last fw wks or days leading up to peaking.
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Candizzle has responded twice in this thread. He posts as Tbombz now. The little punk doesn't even respect his mother enough to stay off a messageboard for a month so she won't be harassed(which I am not saying I think anyone should do).
:D
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Jay says he eats 800-1200g carbs a day offseason... could there be things?
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Not to announce a disclaimer or such
but I am big fan of jay (the person) to me he is a true business/family man who really mad his way to face and wealth starting from nothing
u will know that is you read his book.
When u look at jays pix or video when he was your (teenager)
he had a wide waist + small arms which are his weak points
so his structure was like that since day 1
I still disagree with his diet fort the past 2 years or more when he started doing the blood type diet
that thing never works
and having the Ezekiel bread and cereal in his diet instead of oats and rice was not what I recommend
too much of insulin would be a reason
as everyone has his own insulin protocol
mine is I use it for x number of weeks and the diet has 3 phase to it
and it is important to me that the bodybuilder doesnt get fat during this period
others might disagree with me and say that while on insulin a person should eat everything
but once you plan to get I shape you will suffer a lot and sacrifice a lot of muscle
so my protocol has been working pretty well
but I dont think he is using a similar approach
the water manipulation is a big factor as well
u see them drinking water till 1 day out form the show
well we all know that for every gram of carb u need 2.7ml of water to store it (specially in the carb up phase) but the idea of carbing up is loading the muscle to look fuller and most importantly to pull the water from under the skin
so your calculation should be less than 2.7ml per gram of carb
and the reason is your aim should be to get the rest of the water to be pulled from under the skin to complete the glycogen restoration process
when that is done you will be less likely dependant on hi doses of diuretic
which doesnt go right most of the time
so the less diuretic you have to use the better
I do recommend diuretic but with moderation and try to keep it at minimal
there are 3 kinds of water retention and each one should be targeted to be pulled with sense
if your body is holding water cause of androgens
diuretics wont solve the problem
it will make you look flat and might even increase the water retention
so it is a complicated process and I dont want to get too technical but I think most of the top guys who dont nail it fail to follow the Contest prep 101 standard operating procedures
which I think are known to most
or should be known to most of the top guys or the gurus at least
The time for trying new stuff would be 5 weeks out of a show or at guest posing
and that is what I do
and all the blame that goes to insulin is right to some extend
the key to avoid that is
Never use insulin for carb loading
and I am sure you have realized with a lot of Olympians doing the same mistake realized it this year and brought it down
I would also blame drug quality
as I am very specific o the quality of drug hat people use and am very specific on brand
cause there are a lot of shit in the market and this was visible at the Atlantic city.
I did mention previously about injuries and the reason that I think some of the bbers have difference size of each of their sides
DX
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so if u took over jays contest prep.
what would u do?
Not to announce a disclaimer or such
but I am big fan of jay (the person) to me he is a true business/family man who really mad his way to face and wealth starting from nothing
u will know that is you read his book.
When u look at jays pix or video when he was your (teenager)
he had a wide waist + small arms which are his weak points
so his structure was like that since day 1
I still disagree with his diet fort the past 2 years or more when he started doing the blood type diet
that thing never works
and having the Ezekiel bread and cereal in his diet instead of oats and rice was not what I recommend
too much of insulin would be a reason
as everyone has his own insulin protocol
mine is I use it for x number of weeks and the diet has 3 phase to it
and it is important to me that the bodybuilder doesnt get fat during this period
others might disagree with me and say that while on insulin a person should eat everything
but once you plan to get I shape you will suffer a lot and sacrifice a lot of muscle
so my protocol has been working pretty well
but I dont think he is using a similar approach
the water manipulation is a big factor as well
u see them drinking water till 1 day out form the show
well we all know that for every gram of carb u need 2.7ml of water to store it (specially in the carb up phase) but the idea of carbing up is loading the muscle to look fuller and most importantly to pull the water from under the skin
so your calculation should be less than 2.7ml per gram of carb
and the reason is your aim should be to get the rest of the water to be pulled from under the skin to complete the glycogen restoration process
when that is done you will be less likely dependant on hi doses of diuretic
which doesnt go right most of the time
so the less diuretic you have to use the better
I do recommend diuretic but with moderation and try to keep it at minimal
there are 3 kinds of water retention and each one should be targeted to be pulled with sense
if your body is holding water cause of androgens
diuretics wont solve the problem
it will make you look flat and might even increase the water retention
so it is a complicated process and I dont want to get too technical but I think most of the top guys who dont nail it fail to follow the Contest prep 101 standard operating procedures
which I think are known to most
or should be known to most of the top guys or the gurus at least
The time for trying new stuff would be 5 weeks out of a show or at guest posing
and that is what I do
and all the blame that goes to insulin is right to some extend
the key to avoid that is
Never use insulin for carb loading
and I am sure you have realized with a lot of Olympians doing the same mistake realized it this year and brought it down
I would also blame drug quality
as I am very specific o the quality of drug hat people use and am very specific on brand
cause there are a lot of shit in the market and this was visible at the Atlantic city.
I did mention previously about injuries and the reason that I think some of the bbers have difference size of each of their sides
DX
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What the hell has happened to Jays physique.
Plain and simple: PALUMBOISM. Arms and legs are getting smaller and smaller, Torso waist and hips bigger and bigger.
It seems to happen to all the Top guys sooner or later. To some earlier in their 30s (like Jay), to some later in their 40s (like Ronnie).
Palumboism isn't curable or reversible yet. It only seems to happen to the real mass monsters. Some guys on moderate doses who never played the "Size, no matter what" game like Vince Tayler are even in their 50s not affected from Palumboism.
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Not to announce a disclaimer or such
but I am big fan of jay (the person) to me he is a true business/family man who really mad his way to face and wealth starting from nothing
u will know that is you read his book.
When u look at jays pix or video when he was your (teenager)
he had a wide waist + small arms which are his weak points
so his structure was like that since day 1
I still disagree with his diet fort the past 2 years or more when he started doing the blood type diet
that thing never works
and having the Ezekiel bread and cereal in his diet instead of oats and rice was not what I recommend
too much of insulin would be a reason
as everyone has his own insulin protocol
mine is I use it for x number of weeks and the diet has 3 phase to it
and it is important to me that the bodybuilder doesnt get fat during this period
others might disagree with me and say that while on insulin a person should eat everything
but once you plan to get I shape you will suffer a lot and sacrifice a lot of muscle
so my protocol has been working pretty well
but I dont think he is using a similar approach
the water manipulation is a big factor as well
u see them drinking water till 1 day out form the show
well we all know that for every gram of carb u need 2.7ml of water to store it (specially in the carb up phase) but the idea of carbing up is loading the muscle to look fuller and most importantly to pull the water from under the skin
so your calculation should be less than 2.7ml per gram of carb
and the reason is your aim should be to get the rest of the water to be pulled from under the skin to complete the glycogen restoration process
when that is done you will be less likely dependant on hi doses of diuretic
which doesnt go right most of the time
so the less diuretic you have to use the better
I do recommend diuretic but with moderation and try to keep it at minimal
there are 3 kinds of water retention and each one should be targeted to be pulled with sense
if your body is holding water cause of androgens
diuretics wont solve the problem
it will make you look flat and might even increase the water retention
so it is a complicated process and I dont want to get too technical but I think most of the top guys who dont nail it fail to follow the Contest prep 101 standard operating procedures
which I think are known to most
or should be known to most of the top guys or the gurus at least
The time for trying new stuff would be 5 weeks out of a show or at guest posing
and that is what I do
and all the blame that goes to insulin is right to some extend
the key to avoid that is
Never use insulin for carb loading
and I am sure you have realized with a lot of Olympians doing the same mistake realized it this year and brought it down
I would also blame drug quality
as I am very specific o the quality of drug hat people use and am very specific on brand
cause there are a lot of shit in the market and this was visible at the Atlantic city.
I did mention previously about injuries and the reason that I think some of the bbers have difference size of each of their sides
DX
Right on the money...He can blame Todd Ganci for the bullshit blood diet. I know jay and have since he was 18. I warned him about it and the fucking crap bread as well. A few people i help were almost duped into this bullshit and one kid actually was, hes never looked worse in his life, stringy flat and lost a ton of size, I gotta fix it all over again now. You just went up 10 points in my book.
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LOL You guys don't honestly wanna blame the bread for Jay looking like shit.... ::)
His peak is over, plain and simple. He already ate the Ezekiel bread when he won the title in 2006.
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Not to announce a disclaimer or such
but I am big fan of jay (the person) to me he is a true business/family man who really mad his way to face and wealth starting from nothing
u will know that is you read his book.
When u look at jays pix or video when he was your (teenager)
he had a wide waist + small arms which are his weak points
so his structure was like that since day 1
I still disagree with his diet fort the past 2 years or more when he started doing the blood type diet
that thing never works
and having the Ezekiel bread and cereal in his diet instead of oats and rice was not what I recommend
too much of insulin would be a reason
as everyone has his own insulin protocol
mine is I use it for x number of weeks and the diet has 3 phase to it
and it is important to me that the bodybuilder doesnt get fat during this period
others might disagree with me and say that while on insulin a person should eat everything
but once you plan to get I shape you will suffer a lot and sacrifice a lot of muscle
so my protocol has been working pretty well
but I dont think he is using a similar approach
the water manipulation is a big factor as well
u see them drinking water till 1 day out form the show
well we all know that for every gram of carb u need 2.7ml of water to store it (specially in the carb up phase) but the idea of carbing up is loading the muscle to look fuller and most importantly to pull the water from under the skin
so your calculation should be less than 2.7ml per gram of carb
and the reason is your aim should be to get the rest of the water to be pulled from under the skin to complete the glycogen restoration process
when that is done you will be less likely dependant on hi doses of diuretic
which doesnt go right most of the time
so the less diuretic you have to use the better
I do recommend diuretic but with moderation and try to keep it at minimal
there are 3 kinds of water retention and each one should be targeted to be pulled with sense
if your body is holding water cause of androgens
diuretics wont solve the problem
it will make you look flat and might even increase the water retention
so it is a complicated process and I dont want to get too technical but I think most of the top guys who dont nail it fail to follow the Contest prep 101 standard operating procedures
which I think are known to most
or should be known to most of the top guys or the gurus at least
The time for trying new stuff would be 5 weeks out of a show or at guest posing
and that is what I do
and all the blame that goes to insulin is right to some extend
the key to avoid that is
Never use insulin for carb loading
and I am sure you have realized with a lot of Olympians doing the same mistake realized it this year and brought it down
I would also blame drug quality
as I am very specific o the quality of drug hat people use and am very specific on brand
cause there are a lot of shit in the market and this was visible at the Atlantic city.
I did mention previously about injuries and the reason that I think some of the bbers have difference size of each of their sides
DX
Wow. You sound like you know your shit.
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LOL You guys don't honestly wanna blame the bread for Jay looking like shit.... ::)
His peak is over, plain and simple. He already ate the Ezekiel bread when he won the title in 2006.
no not that directly, god no. Go take a peak at the blood diet. Also Todd likes to load people for a show on the bread...look that up first then get back to us.
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Does Jay carb load on ezekial bread??
This cant be true.
Anybody know this for a fact?
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I didnt say he was carb loading with Ezekiel break
I mean to be honest even in 2006 he didnt look all that good
Ronnie had a much better condition than jay
but they just wanted to have a new champ and blamed it on the condition and said Ronnie looked phenomenal on Saturday but most of the judging was done on Friday which is a different scenario every year and they said that ronnies left side was smaller that he right
jay was having the same problem but spot light should have been on Ronnie for this matter to justify the excuse of letting jay win
Ronnie was much better
it is not only the bread I think jays whole contest prep need to be changed not modified
I think the best thing jay should do is
stop training for some time and then go back slowly 7 months out of the O or so
then 2 months later gear up (with insulin-and should be monitored very closely) and bulk up
all in moderation
I think doses should be revised
and then have anywhere between 16 12 week of contest prep. No insulin and no Ezekiel shit
go back to basics and keep in mind that the period between you teenage to your late 20s is a whole different ballgame than the period from your late 20s to mid/late 30s
and that is why he still cant go back to the 2001 condition
id you do what you have always done you will NOT get what you have always got
key word is not
if a contest prep works once it doesnt mean it will work again
the whole contest prep is tricking your body and forcing it to do things it doesnt like
once you try to duplicate a certain approach it will not respond as the first time cause your body gets immuned/acclimated to it
Again
I would blame on bullshiters who call themselves friends
I am always know to be a very harsh critique specially with my athletes cause I tell what I see disregarding who the person in front of me is
friend, enemy of a 10 time world champion
if a guy loox like shit than he lox like shit
and giving the edge to a person just cause he is the reigning champion is really retard as far as I see it
I see a lot of people in local gyms giving props to their friends 5 or 6 week out of a show while they look like 20 weex out and say that you look like Mr. O and you will win the show
and of course at the show he discovers that he was out of the top 6 of a regular show or sometimes they dont even place
so bullshiting a friend isnt friendship
it is hypocrisy
and all the Olympians are facing this epidemic
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I didnt say he was carb loading with Ezekiel break
I mean to be honest even in 2006 he didnt look all that good
Ronnie had a much better condition than jay
but they just wanted to have a new champ and blamed it on the condition and said Ronnie looked phenomenal on Saturday but most of the judging was done on Friday which is a different scenario every year and they said that ronnies left side was smaller that he right
jay was having the same problem but spot light should have been on Ronnie for this matter to justify the excuse of letting jay win
Ronnie was much better
it is not only the bread I think jays whole contest prep need to be changed not modified
I think the best thing jay should do is
stop training for some time and then go back slowly 7 months out of the O or so
then 2 months later gear up (with insulin-and should be monitored very closely) and bulk up
all in moderation
I think doses should be revised
and then have anywhere between 16 12 week of contest prep. No insulin and no Ezekiel shit
go back to basics and keep in mind that the period between you teenage to your late 20s is a whole different ballgame than the period from your late 20s to mid/late 30s
and that is why he still cant go back to the 2001 condition
id you do what you have always done you will NOT get what you have always got
key word is not
if a contest prep works once it doesnt mean it will work again
the whole contest prep is tricking your body and forcing it to do things it doesnt like
once you try to duplicate a certain approach it will not respond as the first time cause your body gets immuned/acclimated to it
Again
I would blame on bullshiters who call themselves friends
I am always know to be a very harsh critique specially with my athletes cause I tell what I see disregarding who the person in front of me is
friend, enemy of a 10 time world champion
if a guy loox like shit than he lox like shit
and giving the edge to a person just cause he is the reigning champion is really retard as far as I see it
I see a lot of people in local gyms giving props to their friends 5 or 6 week out of a show while they look like 20 weex out and say that you look like Mr. O and you will win the show
and of course at the show he discovers that he was out of the top 6 of a regular show or sometimes they dont even place
so bullshiting a friend isnt friendship
it is hypocrisy
and all the Olympians are facing this epidemic
GH15? ???
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Too many drugs and too much very heavy leg work ruining his already wide waist. It would do him good to take 3-4 months off of training and the drugs completely and then build back up for next years Olympia with 12-15 reps on upper body and never below 20 for his legs. This is his only chance to compete with the new regime of shapely, symmetrical physiques. If he doesn't complete transform his physique he and his era are finished.
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Does Jay carb load on ezekial bread??
This cant be true.
Anybody know this for a fact?
i know ganci and jay...and ganci did it with a few guys at the jay cutler classic. Cause i saw the diets and had to fix them. Not sure jay would even do the blood diet or bread to be honest but have heard him on ganci's answering machine so who knows. He used to use him for music along with yates and others but i have no clue why jay wouldnt listen to whats worked in the past. Ans aceto is real good at nutrition. I can ask jay when i see him i guess.
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I didnt say he was carb loading with Ezekiel break
I mean to be honest even in 2006 he didnt look all that good
Ronnie had a much better condition than jay
but they just wanted to have a new champ and blamed it on the condition and said Ronnie looked phenomenal on Saturday but most of the judging was done on Friday which is a different scenario every year and they said that ronnies left side was smaller that he right
jay was having the same problem but spot light should have been on Ronnie for this matter to justify the excuse of letting jay win
Ronnie was much better
it is not only the bread I think jays whole contest prep need to be changed not modified
I think the best thing jay should do is
stop training for some time and then go back slowly 7 months out of the O or so
then 2 months later gear up (with insulin-and should be monitored very closely) and bulk up
all in moderation
I think doses should be revised
and then have anywhere between 16 12 week of contest prep. No insulin and no Ezekiel shit
go back to basics and keep in mind that the period between you teenage to your late 20s is a whole different ballgame than the period from your late 20s to mid/late 30s
and that is why he still cant go back to the 2001 condition
id you do what you have always done you will NOT get what you have always got
key word is not
if a contest prep works once it doesnt mean it will work again
the whole contest prep is tricking your body and forcing it to do things it doesnt like
once you try to duplicate a certain approach it will not respond as the first time cause your body gets immuned/acclimated to it
Again
I would blame on bullshiters who call themselves friends
I am always know to be a very harsh critique specially with my athletes cause I tell what I see disregarding who the person in front of me is
friend, enemy of a 10 time world champion
if a guy loox like shit than he lox like shit
and giving the edge to a person just cause he is the reigning champion is really retard as far as I see it
I see a lot of people in local gyms giving props to their friends 5 or 6 week out of a show while they look like 20 weex out and say that you look like Mr. O and you will win the show
and of course at the show he discovers that he was out of the top 6 of a regular show or sometimes they dont even place
so bullshiting a friend isnt friendship
it is hypocrisy
and all the Olympians are facing this epidemic
we should have a talk offline sometime.
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I didnt say he was carb loading with Ezekiel break
I mean to be honest even in 2006 he didnt look all that good
Ronnie had a much better condition than jay
but they just wanted to have a new champ and blamed it on the condition and said Ronnie looked phenomenal on Saturday but most of the judging was done on Friday which is a different scenario every year and they said that ronnies left side was smaller that he right
jay was having the same problem but spot light should have been on Ronnie for this matter to justify the excuse of letting jay win
Ronnie was much better
it is not only the bread I think jays whole contest prep need to be changed not modified
I think the best thing jay should do is
stop training for some time and then go back slowly 7 months out of the O or so
then 2 months later gear up (with insulin-and should be monitored very closely) and bulk up
all in moderation
I think doses should be revised
and then have anywhere between 16 12 week of contest prep. No insulin and no Ezekiel shit
go back to basics and keep in mind that the period between you teenage to your late 20s is a whole different ballgame than the period from your late 20s to mid/late 30s
and that is why he still cant go back to the 2001 condition
id you do what you have always done you will NOT get what you have always got
key word is not
if a contest prep works once it doesnt mean it will work again
the whole contest prep is tricking your body and forcing it to do things it doesnt like
once you try to duplicate a certain approach it will not respond as the first time cause your body gets immuned/acclimated to it
Again
I would blame on bullshiters who call themselves friends
I am always know to be a very harsh critique specially with my athletes cause I tell what I see disregarding who the person in front of me is
friend, enemy of a 10 time world champion
if a guy loox like shit than he lox like shit
and giving the edge to a person just cause he is the reigning champion is really retard as far as I see it
I see a lot of people in local gyms giving props to their friends 5 or 6 week out of a show while they look like 20 weex out and say that you look like Mr. O and you will win the show
and of course at the show he discovers that he was out of the top 6 of a regular show or sometimes they dont even place
so bullshiting a friend isnt friendship
it is hypocrisy
and all the Olympians are facing this epidemic
good post bro, and i think your spot on.
jay needs to take some time off the drugs and training in general, his body just isnt responding anymore. And i know for a fact that he's trying harder than he ever has, I just think his body is rejecting everything he's doing to it.
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he's getting older.. hence the decline in his physique...
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Fars I know and I am usually right ;D Jay is on pretty low dose juice in the offseason, but you can guess what he is also on to maintain what he has.
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Fars I know and I am usually right ;D Jay is on pretty low dose juice in the offseason, but you can guess what he is also on to maintain what he has.
i have heard he loves gh when on low dose. but i dont believe he uses that low of dose. besides, how good is igf at preserving muscle anyways?
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i have heard he loves gh when on low dose. but i dont believe he uses that low of dose. besides, how good is igf at preserving muscle anyways?
Wasn't talking about either of those. I don't really care for IGF all that much anyway.
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Wasn't talking about either of those. I don't really care for IGF all that much anyway.
well i didnt mean both gh and igf i meant just gh (which is igf).
if you werent talking about gh, then lots of slin?
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well i didnt mean both gh and igf i meant just gh (which is igf).
if you werent talking about gh, then lots of slin?
Yep
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Yep
What about Jay's "friends" saying Jay doesn't use insulin anymore? You saw the thread on promuscle. BS?
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What about Jay's "friends" saying Jay doesn't use insulin anymore? You saw the thread on promuscle. BS?
dont believe the hype
Even though if true
The damage was already done
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Good job bro Ali :)
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The reason why Jay lost is simple. There are basically two ways Jay could have won: he could come super-shredded at 245 lbs like he was at the 2001 Olympia or blow them away with sheer size by coming around 275 lbs.
In my opinion, the first strategy would be very risky for Jay. Why? Because he would be only slightly bigger than guys like Dex that have much, much higher muscle quality and symmetry than he does. Jay is very shitty when trying to go for cuts and symmetry at the expense of size because other bodybuilders are simply much better at a lighter weight than he is. However, if he showed up like he looked at the 2001 Olympia, he might have won. If Jay had gone for size and came close to 280 lbs, his symmetry and muscle quality would be terrible, but his sheer muscular development would have assured him the win.
In conclusion, Jay lost because he went for neither strategies. Instead of coming shredded at 250 lbs or humongous at 280 lbs, he came in at a soft 262 lbs. That is, he had neither the muscle quality he had at the 2001 Olympia nor the sheer mass he had at the 2006 Olympia. By trying to come in big and shredded, he lost both properties and with it the Olympia crown. The end.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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You sound like some sort of FLEX magazine columnist who turns a blind eye to bodybuilding PEDs. Note OP requested guru information not some sort of BS looking at lbs and 'shredded' and 'big'.
Come on suckmymuscle I have read your posts in the past you are capable of much more.
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You sound like some sort of FLEX magazine columnist who turns a blind eye to bodybuilding PEDs. Note OP requested guru information not some sort of BS looking at lbs and 'shredded' and 'big'.
Come on suckmymuscle I have read your posts in the past you are capable of much more.
Honestly, I am just giving my opinion on why Jay lost. Why did he win in 2006? Because Coleman had a teared left lat and Jay overwhelmed the other guys with sheer mass. Why did he defeat Coleman in both the symmetry and muscularity rounds at the 2001 Olympia? Because he was shredded to the bone and his symmetry was at it's best because the decreased weight made his waist smaller. This year, he wasn't big enough or cut enough.
What do you expect me to say? That he lost because his body isn't responding to steroids well anymore? Even if true, it boils down to how the physique looks, and if the steroids aren't working anymore this is evaluated by looking at the physique.
My opinion is that he lost not due to physical decline caused by inability to train or because drugs aren't working as well as they used to on him; I think it boils down to what he did during his pre-contest. He tried to go both for size and cuts and it didn't workl, producing a physique that wasn't overwhelming in size nor shredded enough. Jay could have won by coming a very soft but very full 280 lbs or a small but shredded 250 lbs, but not by coming in soft without having a huge size advantage over the other guys. Jay at a soft 260 lbs was simply not bigger enough than a super-shredded Dexter to compensate for the huge advantage Dex had on him in terms of symmetry and conditioning.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Plain and simple: PALUMBOISM. Arms and legs are getting smaller and smaller, Torso waist and hips bigger and bigger.
It seems to happen to all the Top guys sooner or later. To some earlier in their 30s (like Jay), to some later in their 40s (like Ronnie).
Palumboism isn't curable or reversible yet. It only seems to happen to the real mass monsters. Some guys on moderate doses who never played the "Size, no matter what" game like Vince Tayler are even in their 50s not affected from Palumboism.
palumboism is bullshit. Look at Yates, you people talked all that shit about guts and this and that. now Yates is not on contest regimen anymore and looks relatively good (trim waist, etc).
reduce/ stop the drugs and mega eating and things return to normal.
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Too many drugs and too much very heavy leg work ruining his already wide waist. It would do him good to take 3-4 months off of training and the drugs completely and then build back up for next years Olympia with 12-15 reps on upper body and never below 20 for his legs. This is his only chance to compete with the new regime of shapely, symmetrical physiques. If he doesn't complete transform his physique he and his era are finished.
Hahahaha! This cowboy got it down to how many sets and REPS he needs to be successful. I've seen it all now!
- Block.
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Hahahaha! This cowboy got it down to how many sets and REPS he needs to be successful. I've seen it all now!
- Block.
he must be huge and lean.
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Nerve damage or impingement.
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Nerve damage or impingement.
Too many needles going in certain body parts could cause nerve damage and "kill" them. What do you think?
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Too many needles going in certain body parts could cause nerve damage and "kill" them. What do you think?
have you ever hit a nerve while pinning? you cant jab a nerve over and over, much less more than one time.