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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: 240 is Back on October 06, 2008, 08:44:25 AM
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I'm a Wolf fan and have never been that impressed by Freeman. That being said, this isn't even close.
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Are we looking at the same pics?
The Beef
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you just proofed your supreme idiocy once again.
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240 should be a judge
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Freeman is more muscular, better waist, and look at the arms in pic #6.
On their best day, Wolf crushes him easily. But in these pics on this day when Wolf wasn't conditioned, he looks mediocre against a guy I don't think is a top 6 guy, Freeman.
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last ones
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Freeman is more muscular, better waist, and look at the arms in pic #6.
On their best day, Wolf crushes him easily. But in these pics on this day when Wolf wasn't conditioned, he looks mediocre against a guy I don't think is a top 6 guy, Freeman.
total moron... except for his rear lat spread Freeman LOSES on everything.
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Don't know about 'destroyed' but I'd give it to Freeman overall.
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Don't know about 'destroyed' but I'd give it to Freeman overall.
I admit I do tend to be a bit dramatic.. but I couldn't believe Wolf (who many had WINNING or top 2 last year) looked this average against a "B+" pro like Freeman.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=239379.0;attach=279418;image)
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Dennis Wolf has like no Lats ...
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240 is wrong, on this one, unless I am looking at the wrong pictures. Freeman was lucky to be in the top six. small arms and bad chest...
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240 is wrong, on this one, unless I am looking at the wrong pictures. Freeman was lucky to be in the top six. small arms and bad chest...
Toney had the best condition of the show behind Silvio. Wait till Toney adds a few pounds for next year.
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Bad pictures.
He destroys the stripper on every pose on the bbszene/muscletime pics.
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I admit I do tend to be a bit dramatic.. but I couldn't believe Wolf (who many had WINNING or top 2 last year) looked this average against a "B+" pro like Freeman.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=239379.0;attach=279418;image)
Tony was NOT/is NOT a B+ pro.. not anymore..not after this season..
tony looks more conditioned than wolf but wolf has more muscularity pretty much every except arms and lower back
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Dennis is far from being 'destroyed". I think Wolf's superior size in the side poses especially arms and chest gave him the edge. At 42 I don't think Toney can healthily but on the 20 lbs he needs to knock out Wolf who is 29 and can easily grow.
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ERROR_DESTRUCTION_NOT_FO UND
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wolf's gut is getting pretty bad; he's developing that split in the middle of the abs
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Am I a nerd for lolling?
1 through 6 all go to Wolf.
7 and 8 could go either way.
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freeman wins every pose, gotta love the new wolf nuthuggers..
close from the front , but that back is joke, which equalls wolf being destroyed!
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Freeman is a tad taller as well, yes?
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I'm a Wolf fan and have never been that impressed by Freeman. That being said, this isn't even close.
???
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pec tear will always hold him back
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Boom.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/46029-3/2008-mr-olympia-58.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=7cb1fb83b49737372fb869a1561c6fcd)
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2008/mr_olympia_2008/tag2_men_prejudging/ESC_0342.JPG)
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2008/mr_olympia_2008/tag2_men_prejudging/ESC_0328.JPG)
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2008/mr_olympia_2008/tag2_men_prejudging/ESC_0309.JPG)
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2008/mr_olympia_2008/tag2_men_prejudging/ESC_0308.JPG)
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2008/mr_olympia_2008/tag2_men_prejudging/ESC_0310.JPG)
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2008/mr_olympia_2008/tag2_men_prejudging/ESC_0154.JPG)
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Freeman looked better in prejudging, and wolf did look worse.
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I give them all to freeman except the side triceps... Wolf PWNS him there...
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Freeman did look slightly better in pre-judging, but Wolf pulled it out in the finals.
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Wolf
Freeman
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Although Wolf has a very impressive physique, I have to agree with 240 that Toney wins in these comparisons. He has rounder, fuller muscle bellies and a more aesthetic shape.
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Although Wolf has a very impressive physique, I have to agree with 240 that Toney wins in these comparisons. He has rounder, fuller muscle bellies and a more aesthetic shape.
On their best day, Wolf wins.
But Freeman has some of the best conditioning in the show, and WOLF looked like 2006 again.
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lol. ;D
yeah i agree...i dont see any destruction either.
to me it looks like wolf edges him out then some wherever the pec tear is visible.
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wolf's gut is getting pretty bad; he's developing that split in the middle of the abs
yes, he should be very concerned about this. back off of whatever is causing this
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Dude 240-wolf smokes freeman in every single shot. Pass whatever ur smokin or snortin this way man.
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My fair assessment
Back double bi and rear lat spread to Freeman (Wolf w/o calves and bad lower lats)
Front double bi and most muscular to Wolf (Wolf's most muscular is amongst the best today, freeman loses a bit of taper in the double-bi shot
Front lat spread to Freeman (one of the most impressive shots around)
Side chest and side triceps are a Tie (Freeman more defined upper body, but Wolf is wider with better hamstrings)
Abs and thigh, at least for me, is too close to call, so another Tie
If you want to judge it purely based on won poses, Freeman edges Wolf 3-2, but their physiques really cater to different audiences, so its a tough call. I probably would have given the nod to Freeman based on what I saw "live" on the webcast
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Epic pec tear on Toney
he seems to get a pass for it where others would get worse comments.
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really? because wolf looks better in every shot... and this is pre judging.
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2008/mr_olympia_2008/tag2_men_prejudging/ESC_0309.JPG)
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2008/mr_olympia_2008/tag2_men_prejudging/ESC_0310.JPG)
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2008/mr_olympia_2008/tag2_men_prejudging/ESC_0308.JPG)
See. When you start using better pictures ie. not from Flex, Wolf wins every shot.
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240 - you and I have never agreed on much. However this is a simple case.
Dennis - after one year and the hype did not live up to the Hype
Wolf, who entered the contest being mentioned by some as the main threat to Cutler's three-peat, did not make the impact he was expected to. Despite finishing fourth, the German lacked both the conditioning and - incredibly - the overwhelming size he displayed when bursting onto the scene with his fifth-place finish a year ago.- FLEXONLINE
X -Toney Freeman's fifth-place finish was greeted with the loudest boos from the audience. Freeman managed to at least match his conditioning and size from the 2007 Ironman, widely regarded as his best-ever showing. -FLEXONLINE
6'2 X VS. 5'11 DENNIS WOLFE - BOTH BETTER THAN JAY CUTLER!
Comparision - Dennis looked exhausted from the call outs - He seemed frustrated. Not very aggressive. It seemed most people thought it was going to be a walk in the park and that there was nothing to worry about when it came to X.
The 2 have diffrent bodies - Dennis is long waisted and short legs - X is Balanced - in pictures they look simlar however Live it is quite different. Remember this is the top of the top - so with that being said.
size - Wolfe - shape and symmetry Freeman -
Conditioning - Freeman
Presentation - Freeman
Posing - Freeman
Stamina - Freeman
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Freeman is the Healthiest on the stage and except for Heath energy - the most energetic !
With the return of Kai Green and Victor - Dennis will have more headaches
Freeman can add 6 to 8 pounds with the same shape and conditioning ( not 20 like the arm chair judges claim )
Dennis has shown - one year - little to no improvement while Freeman has shown in 2 weeks he can transform.
Pec tear - vs. Lack of improvement over a 12 month period , hope this closes the door on that discussion
Congrats to 4th place at the O - Dennis may want to compete more and the show down at the Arnold will not be easy and no one will be owning the Xman.
* Thanks 240 for a real view - not because I agree but because it was real!
TRUE STORY
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6'2 X VS. 5'11 DENNIS WOLF
How do you explain that Dennis Wolf looks taller in all the comparisons?
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2008/mr_olympia_2008/tag2_men_prejudging/ESC_0328.JPG)
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2008/mr_olympia_2008/tag2_men_prejudging/ESC_0154.JPG)
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2008/mr_olympia_2008/tag2_men_prejudging/ESC_0153.JPG)
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2008/mr_olympia_2008/tag2_men_prejudging/ESC_0148.JPG)
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NEGATRON. Very close there but....... NO.
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Presentation - Freeman
Posing - Freeman
I hope you're just joking...
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Wolf better legs, arms, traps, lats, shoulders, abs, chest
Freeman better: NOTHING
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Wolf better legs, arms, traps, lats, shoulders, abs, chest
Freeman better: NOTHING
I was going to say Freeman had better calves but then I saw this picture:
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2008/mr_olympia_2008/tag2_men_prejudging/ESC_0153.JPG)
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I hope you're just joking...
I never joke - however if you want to keep going I can do it all day long - next time come to the show
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I look at Flex magazine ever since the 2001 O and the competitors suck and so does their condition. I used to think the photos were the big difference but it's the people..lol.
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Wolf dominates Freeman in ALL front and side poses. wtf is wrong with you people? those photos clealry demonstrate that Wolf was also better than Jay Cutler.... that goes for both pre-judging and finals.
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You guys must be retarded to say Freeman had better presentation. Wolf's routine was powerful just like last years was... Freeman's was a strip tease...
Retarded is thinking that a routine is for men - it is for the Women , they liked ha ha - and cheered the loudest for him. Dexter, Melvin all swirled their hips for the........girls. IF you enjoyed Dennis 's posing routine - then why were their crickets while he was posing ? Oh yeah you were not there!
CLOWN
Again Freeman better presentation - on stage dennis (smoking cigs ) exhausted and tired and not very energetic on stage -
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I like how Toney looks pretty good on the Flex Online pictures and not on the muscletime/bbsczene/muscledevelopment ones while it's completely the opposite for Wolf.
Flex sucks.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/46029-3/2008-mr-olympia-58.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=7cb1fb83b49737372fb869a1561c6fcd)
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2008/mr_olympia_2008/tag2_men_prejudging/ESC_0342.JPG)
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2008/mr_olympia_2008/tag2_men_prejudging/ESC_0328.JPG)
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2008/mr_olympia_2008/tag2_men_prejudging/ESC_0309.JPG)
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2008/mr_olympia_2008/tag2_men_prejudging/ESC_0308.JPG)
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2008/mr_olympia_2008/tag2_men_prejudging/ESC_0310.JPG)
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2008/mr_olympia_2008/tag2_men_prejudging/ESC_0154.JPG)
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Wolf dominates Freeman in ALL front and side poses. wtf is wrong with you people? those photos clealry demonstrate that Wolf was also better than Jay Cutler.... that goes for both pre-judging and finals.
Buy a Ticket next time -
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X and wolfe
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Buy a Ticket next time -
again your photos demonstrate why Wolf was placed ahead of Freeman. Just look at the FLS pose... Wolf totally annihilates Freeman and Cutler. heck... Freeman's calves are even worse than Wolfs'. Btw... my VIP ticket had me sitting in front of the judges.
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Ok, the routine was for women. But i'm a man, and I dont want to see some fucking guy shaking his ass at me in a thong. Dennis' routine was well put together and I didn't feel like a fag watching it.
you feel like a homosexual because it bothered you. That is a personal issue not one to share on a board about bodybuilding and not a reason why one athlete wins over another. X hit every mandatory pose in his night routine and nothing but compliments from Judges - I know Jim and Steve and other people are not homosexuals so maybe you should look within and see why a posing routine makes YOU feel ......FUNNY!
And why just toney?
Here is a Reminder of his Routine - feel anything? just kidding - get help
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again your photos demonstrate why Wolf was placed ahead of Freeman. Just look at the FLS pose... Wolf totally annihilates Freeman and Cutler. heck... Freeman's calves are even worse than Wolfs'. Btw... my VIP ticket had me sitting in front of the judges.
Toney has small arms. no calves, lacks conditioning , no detail , poor posing and still placed 5th -
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again your photos demonstrate why Wolf was placed ahead of Freeman. Just look at the FLS pose... Wolf totally annihilates Freeman and Cutler. heck... Freeman's calves are even worse than Wolfs'. Btw... my VIP ticket had me sitting in front of the judges.
If you saw Toney's calves in person you would think otherwise. They might be high but those bitches are big!!!
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Toney has small arms. no calves, lacks conditioning , no detail , poor posing and still placed 5th -
oh... Freeman could have been 4th... beating Cutler! Freeman looked great but in no way was he superior to Wolf.
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total moron... except for his rear lat spread Freeman LOSES on everything.
Look, I have been an actual judge for nearly 20 yrs (currently an NPC judge)
The pics are good and it is very close. Both men have good overall mass.
Freeman has the edge in V taper and overall shape while Wold looks more dense in some shots.
Overall, I would give this one to Freeman in a close call. His overall leg sweep, calf denisty and rounder looking muscle give him a close win here.
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Look, I have been an actual judge for nearly 20 yrs (currently an NPC judge)
The pics are good and it is very close. Both men have good overall mass.
Freeman has the edge in V taper and overall shape while Wold looks more dense in some shots.
Overall, I would give this one to Freeman in a close call. His overall leg sweep, calf denisty and rounder looking muscle give him a close win here.
Still chatting w/underage girls online Howard!!
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Still chatting w/underage girls online Howard!!
Why not, you and Derek do web cam sessions together :D
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FREEMAN the true 2008 Mr.O !
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Wolf is a little better, Freeman posing routine was too gay
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Freeman looks good, but he doesn't beat Wolf in any of those pics. Only thing Toney has better than Dennis is calves.... :-\
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Could have gone either way i guess.
Wolf didn't look his best and hopefully he will rectify this next year.
Destroyed, bit of an exaggeration ::)
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Could have gone either way i guess.
Wolf didn't look his best and hopefully he will rectify this next year.
Destroyed, bit of an exaggeration ::)
X2
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Sorry, Wolf wins it if it is a contest... Sorry.
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Front lat spread - TIE
Front Double Bicep - WOLF
Side Chest - WOLF
Back double Bicep - FREEMAN
Rear lat Spread - TIE
Side Tricep - WOLF
Abs and Thighs - WOLF
Most Muscular Freeman looks better in that particular shot but that's not wolf's full-on MM. Wolf owns the living shit out of Freeman with his best MM.
Freeman is overall better conditioned but IMEO Wolf's thickness gives him the edge
ROB
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wolf's gut is getting pretty bad; he's developing that split in the middle of the abs
yea lol
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Although Wolf has a very impressive physique, I have to agree with 240 that Toney wins in these comparisons. He has rounder, fuller muscle bellies and a more aesthetic shape.
Freeman got him on some bodyparts, but overall I'd give it to Wolf.
CD
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X man looks great, but still overlooked i can say