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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Meso_z on October 07, 2008, 12:34:42 AM
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I think Wolf should go back with Milos..... :-X
Check out his so-called "tight-waist", worst gut on stage.
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I still don't understand why top bodybuilders pay others to give them drug regimens. I'd assume most of the bbers didn't have a "guru" with them as they were training and coming up through the ranks so why should things suddenly change?
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Bad angle. But yes, Dennis should tell "teh chad" to GTFO and go work with either Milos, Dorian Yates or even do it alone.
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Bad angle. But yes, Dennis should tell "teh chad" to GTFO and go work with either Milos, Dorian Yates or even do it alone.
It would be great to work with Dorian.
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Wolf working with Dorian could be a great combination. Calves and a better lower back are what Wolf needs. Who better than Dorian can help him improve those? And Dorian is the absolute master when it comes to conditioning. Wolf with better back and calves and Dorian-like conditioning would actually be scary.
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I still don't understand why top bodybuilders pay others to give them drug regimens. I'd assume most of the bbers didn't have a "guru" with them as they were training and coming up through the ranks so why should things suddenly change?
I don't get that too. Basically it's all about experimenting, you can only try if one or another stack or diet form works for you or not, nobody can tell before. Why do they pay someone else a lotta money who tells them what to try?? ???
Chad fucked up at least as many athletes as he improved.
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I still don't understand why top bodybuilders pay others to give them drug regimens. I'd assume most of the bbers didn't have a "guru" with them as they were training and coming up through the ranks so why should things suddenly change?
Agreed. During the late '80's guys like Lee Labrada / Rich Gaspari / Berry Demay ALL had a huge amount of knowledge themsleves and worked alone. Once they hit their peak, they could do time and again, year after year. Now Labrada and Gaspari are major players in the industry - Today's guys should do their homework and get to know their own bodies. PLUS they don't get the chance to earn good money for long, so why give a big chunk to some pencil necked "guru"?!
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chad does not know how to use insulin correctly. milos taught him back in the mid 90's but then chad thought he would experiment on his own and he fucked up... for example he uses fructose as as ource of carbs with insulin.... not only is that stupid but its dangerous and its going to pack on the viceral fat too
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Agreed. During the late '80's guys like Lee Labrada / Rich Gaspari / Berry Demay ALL had a huge amount of knowledge themsleves and worked alone. Once they hit their peak, they could do time and again, year after year. Now Labrada and Gaspari are major players in the industry - Today's guys should do their homework and get to know their own bodies. PLUS they don't get the chance to earn good money for long, so why give a big chunk to some pencil necked "guru"?!
Because they can blame someone else for their shitty shape........ ;D
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seems like chad is good at growing guts :-\
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Wolf looked like he had made improvements but messed up at the last minute.
Chad seems to mess it up for a lot of people. What does he actually do? I mean 2006 Ronnie was way off and Chad said all he saw were photos every two weeks while dieting? WTF?
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Wolf looked like he had made improvements but messed up at the last minute.
Chad seems to mess it up for a lot of people. What does he actually do? I mean 2006 Ronnie was way off and Chad said all he saw were photos every two weeks while dieting? WTF?
He didn't even improved his own body and wants to "improve" others? what a joke.
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was Chad ever a competitor before becoming a guru?
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Wolf looked like he had made improvements but messed up at the last minute.
Chad seems to mess it up for a lot of people. What does he actually do? I mean 2006 Ronnie was way off and Chad said all he saw were photos every two weeks while dieting? WTF?
Chad supplies them with the magic powder diuretic that is not on the list if IFBB banned substances.
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Proof:
Flex Wheeler wins the Arnold and 3 shows doing prep with Shawn Ray...who still has all his organs and only has a gut because he cant stop eating after retirement. Who would you hire?
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The music makes it seem like some kind of G4P show.
the music should be classical or none at all. and ass shaking/ any suggestive posing should be banned, and old posing trunks reinstated. Then the organisation needs a aesthetic white bodybuilder to be mr.olympia and the organisation will get its integrity back.
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He really didn't look all that bad, especially the second day.
Notice his waist in the last picture. :o
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/46029-3/2008-mr-olympia-58.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=7cb1fb83b49737372fb869a1561c6fcd)
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2008/mr_olympia_2008/tag2_men_prejudging/ESC_0342.JPG)
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2008/mr_olympia_2008/tag2_men_prejudging/ESC_0328.JPG)
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2008/mr_olympia_2008/tag2_men_prejudging/ESC_0309.JPG)
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2008/mr_olympia_2008/tag2_men_prejudging/ESC_0308.JPG)
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2008/mr_olympia_2008/tag2_men_prejudging/ESC_0310.JPG)
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2008/mr_olympia_2008/tag2_men_prejudging/ESC_0154.JPG)
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Chad ruined Kamali------Kamali thought he was going to be the next Ronnie Coleman but all he won was a huge distended gut :-\
Chad is a shady character---he gives his athletes powders they must consume but wont divulge the ingredients so people cant steal his secrets
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The Best thing Dennis could do is go with Dave Palumbo. Dave is so far in front of tehother prep guys it's not funny.
Dave + Dennis = Mr. Olympia is two years.
The Beef
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The Best thing Dennis could do is go with Dave Palumbo. Dave is so far in front of tehother prep guys it's not funny.
Dave + Dennis = Mr. Olympia is two years.
The Beef
Why didn't that happen yet, as Dennis is an MD-athlete anyway??
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The Best thing Dennis could do is go with Dave Palumbo. Dave is so far in front of tehother prep guys it's not funny.
Dave + Dennis = Mr. Olympia is two years.
The Beef
eeerrrrrrr FUCK NO !!!!!
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=239517.0;attach=279544;image)
Trucker belly
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eeerrrrrrr FUCK NO !!!!!
Well, Dave definetely brought the X-Man and Evan Centopani to the next level.
Just because he fucked up himself doesn't mean that he fucks up every other athlete. ;D
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Well, Dave definetely brought the X-Man and Evan Centopani to the next level.
Just because he fucked up himself doesn't mean that he fucks up every other athlete. ;D
evan looks greta no doubt. was tony with dave for this year ? if so then yeah tony looked greaT...but... REALLY THINK THATS BECAUSE HE WAAS WORKIGN WITH DAVE? I THINK THERE ARE OTHER MORE IMPORTANT FACTORS THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR TONY LOOOKING AMAZING THIs YEAR..
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Wolf working with Dorian could be a great combination. Calves and a better lower back are what Wolf needs. Who better than Dorian can help him improve those?
No.
Getting advice on how to improve a genetically bad bodypart from someone with genetically great calves for example is ridiculous. NO PRO EVER CHANGED THEIR PROPORTIONS! You see a pro with a relatively poor bodypart and it's safe to say it will always be poor. Basically you can get bigger or smaller overall and that's it.
Think about this: Dorian did just a couple of sets of standing and seated calf raises each week. How is this revolutionary info going to help Wolf build his calves?
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chad does not know how to use insulin correctly. milos taught him back in the mid 90's but then chad thought he would experiment on his own and he fucked up... for example he uses fructose as as ource of carbs with insulin.... not only is that stupid but its dangerous and its going to pack on the viceral fat too
I doubt you know what Chad does exactly with insulin or whatever (I don't know either).
Funny thing is that Milos actually thanked Chad for the "great" tip to use pie filling during carb loading.
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I doubt you know what Chad does exactly with insulin or whatever (I don't know either).
Funny thing is that Milos actually thanked Chad for the "great" tip to use pie filling during carb loading.
yeah, pumpkin pie filling, i read that too..if you read that then you also read where chad tells milos fructose is what he uses..
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Wolf working with Dorian could be a great combination. Calves and a better lower back are what Wolf needs. Who better than Dorian can help him improve those? And Dorian is the absolute master when it comes to conditioning. Wolf with better back and calves and Dorian-like conditioning would actually be scary.
Working with Dorian is not going to give Wolf calves dude. Big Calves are genetic, if if he doesn't have them by now, he never will.
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http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?topic=11438.new#new
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http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?topic=11438.new#new
How was sex with nasser "Milamar"?
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How was sex with nasser "Milamar"?
It was "cute" :D
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So is Wolf "officially" training with Milos again?
Good news I guess.
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So is Wolf "officially" training with Milos again?
Good news I guess.
Is that what it says? I don't have an account on that piece of shit board.
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Proof:
Flex Wheeler wins the Arnold and 3 shows doing prep with Shawn Ray...who still has all his organs and only has a gut because he cant stop eating after retirement. Who would you hire?
yep, and Shawn Ray is one of the Old school guys, he got his pro card in 1987. So he knows his prep. Actually i think Flex starting working with Chad back in 1997. He saw how Chad got Dillett into the best shape of his life at the time. Nasser also worked with Chad. It seems that Chad is good at getting the bigger "Freak" bodybuilder in great condition. But when it comes to physiques like Flex or Anthony, he does more harm than good, and they can't see it. Kinda like a "Emperor with no clothes on" deal, except you loose you kidneys.
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Chad supplies them with the magic powder diuretic that is not on the list if IFBB banned substances.
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He saw how Chad got Dillett into the best shape of his life at the time. Nasser also worked with Chad. It seems that Chad is good at getting the bigger "Freak" bodybuilder in great condition.
Nasser started to work with Chad in 1998. His best shape ever was in 1997..... ::)
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Is that what it says? I don't have an account on that piece of shit board.
He just posted (recent) shots of his back in his gym, so I guess it's true.
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Wider than a friggin house :o
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yeah, pumpkin pie filling, i read that too..if you read that then you also read where chad tells milos fructose is what he uses..
I'm not going to read it again but Chad said the pie filling (fructose) was just a small part of what he uses. Read Kamali's loading foods in his thread. Rice cakes, oatmeal, potatoes, etc.
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Chad is a good guy. Runs a very nice state show. He hasn't ruined anyones symmetry. Giving someone a diet isn't going to ruin their symmetry. ::)
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I'm not going to read it again but Chad said the pie filling (fructose) was just a small part of what he uses. Read Kamali's loading foods in his thread. Rice cakes, oatmeal, potatoes, etc.
thats not what i took from it when i read it. he specifically said he used fructose and milos said that he disagreed with fructos, sometimes hewould use sucrose (f/g), but said glucose is best. and i agree with that. fructose really is useless for insulin purpouses... however pumpkin would be glucose and fructose naturally..
anyways i still think chad < milos and i dont know why chad thnks he can even begin to argue with milos on insulin
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Chad is a good guy. Runs a very nice state show. He hasn't ruined anyones symmetry. Giving someone a diet isn't going to ruin their symmetry. ::)
he gives them a drug "regime" not just a diet
you know that-----dont pretend to be naive
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he gives them a drug "regime" not just a diet
you know that-----dont pretend to be naive
Doesn't matter. How would taking too much drugs ruin symmetry. Do you know what it means when something is symmetrical?
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Doesn't matter. How would taking too much drugs ruin symmetry. Do you know what it means when something is symmetrical?
leafy nobody in bodybuilding uses symetry to compare your right and left sides. they mean "aesthetics".
and yes drugs definitely effect aesthetics.
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leafy nobody in bodybuilding uses symetry to compare your right and left sides. they mean "aesthetics".
and yes drugs definitely effect aesthetics.
Aesthetics is a word used by smaller people who have less muscle mass.
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anyways i still think chad < milos and i dont know why chad thnks he can even begin to argue with milos on insulin
But how do you know what Chad does and knows? He isn't like Milos, talking about it all openly. I don't think he "argued" with Milos either. Just said he did it differently. I remember the Mayhem discussion pretty well since I started the "debate" by asking Chad about insulin... one of the first posts in the whole forum. If you find a quote by Chad where he says he uses just fructose with insulin I'd like to see it.
How do you know using insulin around workouts is definitely superior to using it every few days or whatever Chad does? There are no facts, no conclusions here... we have to go by anecdotes and personal results. Have you played with insulin yet?
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what ever wolf did in 07 he needs to stay on that route.... still think he should of toke that sandow. he was the most impressive onstage and i wasnt a wolf fan .
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http://www.getbig.com/pics/ironman/2004/report01.htm
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http://www.getbig.com/pics/ironman/2004/report01.htm
"Probably my favorite question of the night is when a cute girl asked point blank to all of the competitors 'Which person would like to show me his chest?' Lee Priest answered back "Ladies before Gentleman". But it set off a chain reaction of some pf the competitors giving us a peak preview on the contest. "
hahaha.
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Doesn't matter. How would taking too much drugs ruin symmetry. Do you know what it means when something is symmetrical?
Symmetry especially in this sport is a broad term it's not directly referred to as left/right exactness because nothing in nature is truly symmetrical
This is the definition from Bodybuilding.com
Symmetry - The shape or general outline of a person's body, as when seen in silhouette. If you have good sym-metry, you will have relatively wide shoulders, flaring lats, a small waist-hip structure, and generally small joints.
it also includes muscle balance & proportion , arm length in relation to the torso , torso length , upper & lower balance , leg length in relation to the torso , proportion from one muscle to the next
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Doesn't matter. How would taking too much drugs ruin symmetry. Do you know what it means when something is symmetrical?
I didnt say symmetry I said he gave them a distended huge gut---which ruined their physique
he has a track record of ruining his athletes and wearing them out with his extreme drug regimes
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I didnt say symmetry I said he gave them a distended huge gut---which ruined their physique
he has a track record of ruining his athletes and wearing them out with his extreme drug regimes
Bullshit... Wolfe's distended gut would be his own doing. Chad wasn't working with wolfe in 06-07 from my knowledge. You have to take GH to hang with people at that level and it only looks good for so long. Look at the changes Cutler' and Ronnie's body went through. It seems to be that there is almost a grace period with the whole GH to where it looks good for about a year and then it steadily takes its toll on the body.
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Wolfe in 06 with a "gut". I was told from someone fairly credible that the guts are not caused solely by the GH but partly by the heavy lifting. Doing 800 pound squats is not going to be easy with out a swollen gut. Over time the heavy weights take effects on it all.
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nobody knows exactly what causes the abdmonial distension leafy.
it could be gh(igf-1), could be slin, could be mega dose aas, could be huge food intake, could be high estrogen levelswhile bulking, could be heavy lifting, could be any combinationof any of those factors.
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nobody knows exactly what causes the abdmonial distension leafy.
it could be gh(igf-1), could be slin, could be mega dose aas, could be huge food intake, could be high estrogen levelswhile bulking, could be heavy lifting, could be any combinationof any of those factors.
I know plenty of people who take a lot of insulin, eat a lot, and lift heavy and have no distension whatsoever.
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nobody knows exactly what causes the abdmonial distension leafy.
it could be gh(igf-1), could be slin, could be mega dose aas, could be huge food intake, could be high estrogen levelswhile bulking, could be heavy lifting, could be any combinationof any of those factors.
In the Book Muscle by Jon Hotten they say it's GH and I think Labrada metioned that on PBW , in the book they said the problem with growth hormone is that it causes growth everywhere and I would say to a smaller part its the amount of food these guys eat as well the stomach stretches and shrinks depending on the amount of calories regularly consumed so I'm sure this has something to do with it.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=239517.0;attach=279544;image)
Trucker belly
Look at how much thicker Jasons upper body looks next to Wolf, and he's further back. :o
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okay well if you think its growth hormone useage causing disteded abomens then at leats use proper terminology so you dont sound stupid...it would be "IGF gut" NOT "Gh gut"....gh burns fat..its growth properties come from igf (what gh converts into)... and yes i do tend to think high igf levels probably cause the growth of internal organs which causes some abdominal distension...
but you cant down play over eating and genetics and mega dose aas either. my abdominal wall protrudes a bit and it has since i was small. but i can still pull off a mean vaccum. and when guy eat 400g of carbs before they step on stage that also causes the gut to distend...where is all that food at ? its sitting in their stoach... go to a buffett and fill yourself and then check out your gut./..it will be distended..
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okay well if you think its growth hormone useage causing disteded abomens then at leats use proper terminology so you dont sound stupid...it would be "IGF gut" NOT "Gh gut"....gh burns fat..its growth properties come from igf (what gh converts into)... and yes i do tend to think high igf levels probably cause the growth of internal organs which causes some abdominal distension...
but you cant down play over eating and genetics and mega dose aas either. my abdominal wall protrudes a bit and it has since i was small. but i can still pull off a mean vaccum. and when guy eat 400g of carbs before they step on stage that also causes the gut to distend...where is all that food at ? its sitting in their stoach... go to a buffett and fill yourself and then check out your gut./..it will be distended..
No... I ate 2 pound of potatoes, a loaf of bread, 3 gallons of water, and a pound of fillet mignon and had minimal distension. Loading up on food does play into it but you are confusing people when you say igf gut. We are talking about enlarged organs. Not fat.
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Chad is a dyed-in-the-wool snake oil salesman. How this guy manages to get paid decent money to tell these guys how to "dial it in" is just ridiculous and echoes the age old sentiment that pro bodybuilders are dumber than a box of rocks.
ATTENTION PRO BODYBUILDERS: START TRUSTING YOUR OWN JUDGMENT AND DIAL YOURSELF IN. There are many guys who have hit their all-time best condition without someone else's help, especially a Krispy Kreme like Chad.
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at leats use proper terminology so you dont sound stupid...it would be "IGF gut" NOT "Gh gut"....
Candizzle just acts crazy, or is he crazy for real?
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"One cannot destroy which one does not initially possess" ;D
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Wolf working with Dorian could be a great combination. Calves and a better lower back are what Wolf needs. Who better than Dorian can help him improve those? And Dorian is the absolute master when it comes to conditioning. Wolf with better back and calves and Dorian-like conditioning would actually be scary.
RZA,.. Not necessary coz Dorian had great back or calves he can help others to train these parts in a special way.. Sure he can help in general with any body part coz he is a big expert but he had these great back and calves mainly coz of his genetics in these areas and not coz of anything special he was doing while training them.. In other words, Dorian can help u to train ur Biceps as well as he can help u to train ur back if not better.. I believe he may be able to help u more with biceps or shoulders coz they were considerably weak points for him.. Sure he tried everything possible to improve them but he didn't need to do this with his already outstanding back or calves.. When u have a strong part by nature it's very easy to reach its limit but when u have a weak part u have to do everything possible to improve it and still after doing this it will always remain a weak point when comparing to ur naturally strong parts.. Same can be said about Nasser who can write books about training the back muscles but he would have few tips to say about training his shoulders or quads..
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Look at how much thicker Jasons upper body looks next to Wolf, and he's further back. :o
You're starting to sound like Squadfather :D
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No... I ate 2 pound of potatoes, a loaf of bread, 3 gallons of water, and a pound of fillet mignon and had minimal distension. Loading up on food does play into it but you are confusing people when you say igf gut. We are talking about enlarged organs. Not fat.
all that food and yes you will hgave distension. so stop lying. where does all the food go ?
if people get confused by igf gut then they are stupid anyway and dont worry about confusing them...those who have any knowledge will look at you with respect because youll be talking with knowledge and not just hear-say...(well it WILL be hear-say for you sicne im the one telling yout his and you dont know it for fact foryourself just yet BUT they wont know the difference)....
your last two sentences throw me offf... yes enlarged organs but viceral fat might also play a role.. like i told you before nobody knows for certain dude... it also might be super thick abdominal hypertrophy as well... at least in dexter jacksons case i think this plays a part...
a few new terms.. liverpilled - gh15 ... igf gut - tbombz.... woot !! ;D
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okay well if you think its growth hormone useage causing disteded abomens then at leats use proper terminology so you dont sound stupid...it would be "IGF gut" NOT "Gh gut"....gh burns fat..its growth properties come from igf (what gh converts into)... and yes i do tend to think high igf levels probably cause the growth of internal organs which causes some abdominal distension...
but you cant down play over eating and genetics and mega dose aas either. my abdominal wall protrudes a bit and it has since i was small. but i can still pull off a mean vaccum. and when guy eat 400g of carbs before they step on stage that also causes the gut to distend...where is all that food at ? its sitting in their stoach... go to a buffett and fill yourself and then check out your gut./..it will be distended..
Oh fuck up would you..You have NO!!!!!!!!!! experience with this other what you read on the different boards you surf.
You have been exposed so many times..and now we find out you are Bisexual ..
Not only are you full of shit but you also like sticking your dick in it :-X
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RZA,.. Not necessary coz Dorian had great back or calves he can help others to train these parts in a special way.. Sure he can help in general with any body part coz he is a big expert but he had these great back and calves mainly coz of his genetics in these areas and not coz of anything special he was doing while training them.. In other words, Dorian can help u to train ur Biceps as well as he can help u to train ur back if not better.. I believe he may be able to help u more with biceps or shoulders coz they were considerably weak points for him.. Sure he tried everything possible to improve them but he didn't need to do this with his already outstanding back or calves.. When u have a strong part by nature it's very easy to reach its limit but when u have a weak part u have to do everything possible to improve it and still after doing this it will always remain a weak point when comparing to ur naturally strong parts.. Same can be said about Nasser who can write books about training the back muscles but he would have few tips to say about training his shoulders or quads..
His calfs were always good his back was worked upon over and over.
You can tell, in 1990 Mo Bez beat him on back, in 1991 Lee Haney beat him on back but it was improved. He just kept making it better and better.
Although i agree generally with what you said, once someone is developed it's very difficult to change much.
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His calfs were always good his back was worked upon over and over.
You can tell, in 1990 Mo Bez beat him on back, in 1991 Lee Haney beat him on back but it was improved. He just kept making it better and better.
Although i agree generally with what you said, once someone is developed it's very difficult to change much.
I believe the calve is the most affected muscle by the nature (genetics) of each one.. If you have a really poor calve you will never have even an "ok" calve one day whatever you do.. And if you have a naturally good calve it will be always good even if you don't train it!!..
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not just Wolf ;D
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No one has still acknowledged the fact that Wolfe has has the distension since 06. Guess that kind of puts a hole in your argument.
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No one has still acknowledged the fact that Wolfe has has the distension since 06. Guess that kind of puts a hole in your argument.
yeah pretty much every ifbb pro has distension from the time they become pro... whose argument does that fact hurt ??
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You're starting to sound like Squadfather :D
Oh man I didn't catch this before >:( very >:(
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Oh fuck up would you..You have NO!!!!!!!!!! experience with this other what you read on the different boards you surf.
You have been exposed so many times..and now we find out you are Bisexual ..
Not only are you full of shit but you also like sticking your dick in it :-X
who is tbomz will ???
milos's athletes do not have guts - therefore milos > chad imho
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who is tbomz will ???
candidate
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No one has still acknowledged the fact that Wolfe has has the distension since 06. Guess that kind of puts a hole in your argument.
I have , I posted gut pics a while ago and people all cried foul , he was just exhaling lol
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candidate
has this been confirmed ?
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who is tbomz will ???
milos's athletes do not have guts - therefore milos > chad imho
T - bombz
"T"
;D
yes milos is far superior to 'teh chad' ( 'teh gay' )
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T - bombz
"T"
;D
yes milos is far superior to 'teh chad' ( 'teh gay' )
How so? Chad has a Mr. Olympia competitor and multiple top 5 finishers last time i checked.
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So does Milos... :D
and besides that, Milos is the one who taught chad many things. And milos obviously has experimented on himself and knows how to PERSONALLY make a body look good. Chad looks like an ectomorph who sits at home in a bean bag chair eating cereal and Cheeto's and drinking mountain dew all day.
plus milos isn't only into the chemical part, but very very good with training and diet as well. much more so than chad..at least from what Ive read/seen of chad in those areas.
also if you compare bodybuilders that have gone in between chad and milos almost 100% of the time they look better when with milos.
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No.
Getting advice on how to improve a genetically bad bodypart from someone with genetically great calves for example is ridiculous.
You mean to tell me that if I hire Dorian to train me, I won't look like him when the sessions are finished? Man, talk about bursting someones bubble. Here I was trying to decide if I wanted to look like Coleman or Yates. I thought all I had to do was make the decision and then just kinda hang out with them.
Shit.
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The gut issue has a variety of reasons behind it, but the primary reasons involve insulin, and the fact that you can diet while taking in a lot more calories, (not to mention portion sizes), while taking GH, Thyroid, Huge amounts of AAS, etc.
Just taking low-doses of GH, will not create a gut, and even some people that are incredibly carb-tolerant, and get away with Insulin use, but combining the two, (which is mandatory in large doses as GH, and insulin are counter-reglatory hormones), will create a gut on anyone....given enough time.
M!
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Wolf has years to go if he even gets there b4 he has a chance at the Mr. O.
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who is tbomz will ???
milos's athletes do not have guts - therefore milos > chad imho
Candidildo ,His mum doesnt know he is posting again
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Candidildo ,His mum doesnt know he is posting again
:o :o :o