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I've read it kills free radicals in the body, helps immune system, etc.
I've also read it, like NSAIDS, prevents the muscles from growing following training.
Do you take vitamin C following your workout?
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I've also read it, like NSAIDS, prevents the muscles from growing following training.
Can you post the link to this research? I definitely take it after every cardio and weight training session to boost immune function and prevent DOMS.
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Can you post the link to this research? I definitely take it after every cardio and weight training session to boost immune function and prevent DOMS.
how much do you take? more than 450mg or so at a time is overkill.
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how much do you take? more than 450mg or so at a time is overkill.
Research to back this claim?
I'll have to look when I get home but I think it's 500mg Ester C I'm taking now, it varies on what I buy on clearance or in bulk at Sam's/Costco. My little girl brings home all sorts of germs and sniffles from the daycare so it's good to keep the immune system strong year round.
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Anti-oxidants post workouts have been shown to increase oxidative stress. Take them before a workout.
Wont hurt muscle growth IMO.
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Can you post the link to this research? I definitely take it after every cardio and weight training session to boost immune function and prevent DOMS.
I think it was an MD, I'll look.
The article was about how the things you eat that make you healthy, are often counter-productive to muscle growth. Fish, for example, is great for health, but may retard growth following a workout. Vitamin C is another.
Something about how our bodies release the toxic free radicals as a result of the cell destruction of lifting. That is a good thing for muscle building, but bad for toxin buildup.
Vit C kills free radicals, but also kills growth as a result. Not sure how much I'm paraphrasing or remembering correctly. I'm all about killing free radicals, and I like my vitamin C and E a few times daily. JUst didn't know if it was particularly useful, or counter-productive, following a workout.
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Anti-oxidants post workouts have been shown to increase oxidative stress. Take them before a workout.
Wont hurt muscle growth IMO.
what is "oxidative stress@ van ?
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yes drinking a glass of orange juice after training will prevent you from packing on massive muscle gains !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Anti-oxidants post workouts have been shown to increase oxidative stress.
I don'tkonw what that means. Can you explain how it would affect that 1-hour post-workout window, when the muscle groups are torn up and they're sucking all the protein from the blood that they can?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxidative_stress
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I take about 1g of vit-c after my workout and a multivitamin. I do this for almost 2 years.
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Research to back this claim?
I'll have to look when I get home but I think it's 500mg Ester C I'm taking now, it varies on what I buy on clearance or in bulk at Sam's/Costco. My little girl brings home all sorts of germs and sniffles from the daycare so it's good to keep the immune system strong year round.
Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2001 Aug 14;98(17):9842-6
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I take about 1g of vit-c after my workout and a multivitamin. I do this for almost 2 years.
and you havent packed on a single ounce of muscle doing this time
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I take about 1g of vit-c after my workout and a multivitamin. I do this for almost 2 years.
overkill and may actually be detrimental to muscle recovery
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Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2001 Aug 14;98(17):9842-6
Thx. Based on that, I may cut them in half if they're 500mg but I'm still on the fence about taking them pre/post w/o.
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I don'tkonw what that means. Can you explain how it would affect that 1-hour post-workout window, when the muscle groups are torn up and they're sucking all the protein from the blood that they can?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxidative_stress
I don't have the answer but I know it's pretty complicated and debated. But if you take them to reduce oxidative stress then take them before training. Many athletes feel antioxidants before training increase performance, especially the more potent ones like NAC, Idebenone, etc.
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I failed Chemistry I.
Can anyone break it down in layman's terms?
Vit C before workout - good?
Vit C after workout - bad?
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vitamin c may inhibit muscle recovery
Br J Nutr. 2006 May;95(5):976-81
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I failed Chemistry I.
Can anyone break it down in layman's terms?
Vit C before workout - good?
Vit C after workout - bad?
You wont find a definitive answer.
Don't worry about it. It wont hurt either way (a hunch :D)
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my advice is to supplement with 500mg per day.
(if you choose to take vitamin c supplements at all)
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I've read it kills free radicals in the body, helps immune system, etc.
I've also read it, like NSAIDS, prevents the muscles from growing following training.
Do you take vitamin C following your workout?
Ive read this in the past also-------I remember some studies were mentioned in some muscle mags (dont remember doses etc)
I also remember you bringing up this question a while ago and I dont think we ever got a straight answer on it
I usually avoid vit C, unless I mix my protein in OJ, for a couple hrs after my workout
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vitamin c may inhibit muscle recovery
Br J Nutr. 2006 May;95(5):976-81
In downhill runners? Weight training isn't exactly downhill running.
Who's gimmick are you anyway, Mr. 19 post supplement guru Galvatron?
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You wont find a definitive answer.
Don't worry about it. It wont hurt either way (a hunch :D)
I figured teh effect was miniscule anyway---just wondered if anyone knew if definitively
I dont orient my life around it----I just wait to take my vit C supps later
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In downhill runners? Weight training isn't exactly downhill running.
The muscle damage is incredible when running downhill. Heavy eccentric loading of the quads.
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Is it really worth finding the sufficient research on something so irrelevant?
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I also remember you bringing up this question a while ago and I dont think we ever got a straight answer on it
yeah, today i'm turning off the morning political dabte and just working on sites and thinking about BBing for once.
Vitamin C is very important for killing off those free radicals, which lead to cell damage and cancers. I want to include it, I just dont' want to screw up lifting results thru it's use. I think i'll stick with taking it in AM and at night, and avoid messing with training recovery.
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In downhill runners? Weight training isn't exactly downhill running.
Who's gimmick are you anyway, Mr. 19 post supplement guru Galvatron?
it has relevance for lifting weights too.
see
Am J Clin Nutr. 2008 Jan;87(1):142-9.
Peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor co-activator 1 and cytochrome C are upregulated when you lift weights too, thus vitamin c probably inhibits the training stimulus when you lift weights also.
how big the effect is in real life, i dont know. i dont worry about it.
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isnt the best time to take ur vitamins early in the morning after ur breakfast ?
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it has relevance for lifting weights too.
see
Am J Clin Nutr. 2008 Jan;87(1):142-9.
Peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor co-activator 1 and cytochrome C are upregulated when you lift weights too, thus vitamin c probably inhibits the training stimulus when you lift weights also.
Your Google-fu is strong grasshopper. Hi TA!
So, I'll cut my mg in half, save some $ and switch the timing. The only exception will be when I feel a cold coming on.
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yeah, today i'm turning off the morning political dabte and just working on sites and thinking about BBing for once.
Vitamin C is very important for killing off those free radicals, which lead to cell damage and cancers. I want to include it, I just dont' want to screw up lifting results thru it's use. I think i'll stick with taking it in AM and at night, and avoid messing with training recovery.
good for you bro
Ive been real motivated the last 5 months or so lifting------started lifting in the morning before work (something Ive never done before)-- helps bigtime since I own a Tree company and usually do something during the day like climbing 70ft up or weilding a huge chainsaw for hrs and hrs ;D----
I spent around 5-6K and built my own gym though, rubber floors, cage, olympic weights, dumbells (no adjustable crap, all nice one piece) etc
One great thing I got though that isnt gym equipment though was a nice HD tv that I throw on an episode or two of whatever show Im obsessed with while I workout and I only watch that show while I work out (which helps motivate me since Im completely obsessive about that shit ;D) Its great to have that time in teh day just to yourself-----no people at teh gym talking to you while your Ipod is in your ears, no smelly old people etc. If you have the room and $$$$ builiding your own gym is key (just be prepared to do mad Squats, deadlifts and mad other great free weight exercises ;)
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good for you bro
Ive been real motivated the last 5 months or so lifting------started lifting in the morning before work (something Ive never done before)-- helps bigtime since I own a Tree company and usually do something during the day like climbing 70ft up or weilding a huge chainsaw for hrs and hrs ;D----
I spent around 5-6K and built my own gym though, rubber floors, cage, olympic weights, dumbells (no adjustable crap, all nice one piece) etc
One great thing I got though that isnt gym equipment though was a nice HD tv that I throw on an episode or two of whatever show Im obsessed with while I workout and I only watch that show while I work out (which helps motivate me since Im completely obsessive about that shit ;D) Its great to have that time in teh day just to yourself-----no people at teh gym talking to you while your Ipod is in your ears, no smelly old people etc. If you have the room and $$$$ builiding your own gym is key (just be prepared to do mad Squats, deadlifts and mad other great free weight exercises ;)
I have a decent home gym - everything but a squat rack - but I can't lift in florida during the summer much, as it's 92 degrees at 7 am most days.
now that it's cool, i cleaned out the garage, and just go out there with an acoustic guitar or a magazine and spend 90 minutes at a time. Yesterday I did 12 sets of incline bench press spaced over an hour, along with some other exercises. sure beats the techno garbage they play in my fitness center.
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yeah, today i'm turning off the morning political dabte and just working on sites and thinking about BBing for once.
Vitamin C is very important for killing off those free radicals, which lead to cell damage and cancers. I want to include it, I just dont' want to screw up lifting results thru it's use. I think i'll stick with taking it in AM and at night, and avoid messing with training recovery.
240...
It is Vitamin C dude. If you are that worried then don't ever eat a piece of fruit again.
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when you beasts are ready pm me about your discovery...
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Duchaine was big on 500mg right before training for its anti-imflamatory effects. Studies show it works, google it. I really don't give a shit about cancer, but I know vit-C is a help for joint inflamation and muscle recovery. Shit loads of free radicals are released when the muscles are broken down during training, C cleans that shit up. Plus, its so cheap that the cost-benefit analysis give it good value. There's tons of bullshit I would never spend money on NO, glutamine, bull testicles, and all the shit supplement companies are pushing. But, I do take vit-C caps and vit-B injects. Can't go wrong with basic micronutrient and the macronutrients (PRO, FAT, CRB). My 2 cents....
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where is candizzle when you need him, this is right up his alley.
i dont know the answer, but i get the majority of vitamin c in the morning w/ my orange juice and fruit I eat for meal 1, then post workout the only vitamin c i get is in the squash/zucchini i eat.
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i've been taking 2000mg-4000mg vit c daily for years now. i have also been up to the 290's in weight during this time, so no i do not believe it stops or hinders muscle gain. also ronnie coleman takes this amount too. it didn't do him much harm.
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If you train in the morning or afternoon take 1 gram of vitamin c with your evening meal. It helps with recovery and collagen production. It also helps to loosen your synovial fluid in your joints. I have been taking vit c since the 1970's and I havent died yet! If I have died, nobody told me.
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Read Franco's bodybuilders nutrition book. Borders carries it. Seriously it is dead on correct. Franco even explains about how "wonder supplements" are a waste of money. All he recommends are vitamins and minerals and digestive enzymes. It was written in 1986 and I doubt the human body has changed since. check it out.
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Just take your vitamins, leave the bs "studies".
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I've read it kills free radicals in the body
antioxidants dont kill radicals.....but they do neutralize them.
I take vitamin C and E before training. You need time for the nutrients to be absorbed into the blood. Taking them after the workout is ok, but its kind of like a day late and a dollar short.
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If you train in the morning or afternoon take 1 gram of vitamin c with your evening meal. It helps with recovery and collagen production. It also helps to loosen your synovial fluid in your joints. I have been taking vit c since the 1970's and I havent died yet! If I have died, nobody told me.
nobody has said you will die if you take 1g of vitamin c per day, you simply dont need to take more than 500mg at a time.
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Read Franco's bodybuilders nutrition book. Borders carries it. Seriously it is dead on correct. Franco even explains about how "wonder supplements" are a waste of money. All he recommends are vitamins and minerals and digestive enzymes. It was written in 1986 and I doubt the human body has changed since. check it out.
no, read more up-to-date books and studies. the human body hasnt changed since 1986 but the knowledge about how various vitamins effect the body has changed.
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Ime sure the extra effort to take this vitamin C will be worth it to attain that 0.000000001lbs of extra muscle per year.
::)
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i've been taking 2000mg-4000mg vit c daily for years now. i have also been up to the 290's in weight during this time, so no i do not believe it stops or hinders muscle gain. also ronnie coleman takes this amount too. it didn't do him much harm.
2000-4000mg is overkill even if it hasnt harmed you.
its not like vitamin C is highly toxic.
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2000-4000mg is overkill even if it hasnt harmed you.
its not like vitamin C is highly toxic.
i believe in the linus pauling's discovery of heart protection/heart disease cure via high dosages of vitamin c 8)
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4 to 6 grams daily for years and my arteries are 100% clear as of 6 months ago. Is it the Vit C? I believe it is and that's all that matters. :)
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In downhill runners? Weight training isn't exactly downhill running.
Who's gimmick are you anyway, Mr. 19 post supplement guru Galvatron?
c'on Luke...You showed up on an IFBB stage with a physique that would have been out of the top 5 at most local state shows...You should be open to anything my friend ;)
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4 to 6 grams daily for years and my arteries are 100% clear as of 6 months ago. Is it the Vit C? I believe it is and that's all that matters. :)
how did you have your arteries tested 6 months ago to show this...I know there arent any insurance companies that would pay for such a thing unless you had a problem...So you either shelled out over 10 G's or this post is BS...
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Your Google-fu is strong grasshopper. Hi TA!
jealousy
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I have a decent home gym - everything but a squat rack - but I can't lift in florida during the summer much, as it's 92 degrees at 7 am most days.
uh, perhaps some light ac or even a fan would do the trick
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I have a decent home gym - everything but a squat rack - but I can't lift in florida during the summer much, as it's 92 degrees at 7 am most days.
now that it's cool, i cleaned out the garage, and just go out there with an acoustic guitar or a magazine and spend 90 minutes at a time. Yesterday I did 12 sets of incline bench press spaced over an hour, along with some other exercises. sure beats the techno garbage they play in my fitness center.
David Goggins would have already ran 20 miles before you even got up at 7am...And that would be just a warm up
www.americanmilitaryfami ly.org/david_goggins.asp
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Ascorbic acid or calcium ascorbate???
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4 to 6 grams daily for years and my arteries are 100% clear as of 6 months ago. Is it the Vit C? I believe it is and that's all that matters. :)
bump for the truth 8)
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Ascorbic acid or calcium ascorbate???
ascorbic acid only
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ascorbic acid only
exactly----its ph is formulated so it doesnt cause upset stomachs in large doses
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Acobic acid is acidic. calcium ascorbate is ph neutral.
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c'on Luke...You showed up on an IFBB stage with a physique that would have been out of the top 5 at most local state shows...You should be open to anything my friend ;)
I'm not Luke Wood.
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bump for the truth 8)
Had an EBT Scan done. Do a google search if you want to know more. The test was $450 and my insurance reimbursed me over 90%. Mystery solved. ;D
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I've read it kills free radicals in the body, helps immune system, etc.
I've also read it, like NSAIDS, prevents the muscles from growing following training.
Do you take vitamin C following your workout?
If you take steroids, wont matter....
If youre drug free and have been lifting heavy for more than 4 years it wont matter either.
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I'm not Luke Wood.
Don't be humble luke. You looked great in australia this week.
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exactly----its ph is formulated so it doesnt cause upset stomachs in large doses
That's not my experience.
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Don't be humble luke. You looked great in australia this week.
lol
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I've read it kills free radicals in the body, helps immune system, etc.
I've also read it, like NSAIDS, prevents the muscles from growing following training.
Do you take vitamin C following your workout?
It depends on your taste in music I guess. If you like her, listen to it.
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I'm not Luke Wood.
Your all the same, whats it matter...
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don't take vic pre or post unless your cutting bro, when you cut that is when you need vit c the most
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I have 1 gram of Vit C with breakfast, 1 gram with dinner and 1 gram after workout. Sometimes with lunch and other meals too. I'm growing.
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I failed Chemistry I.
Can anyone break it down in layman's terms?
Vit C before workout - good?
Vit C after workout - bad?
Simplest advice is to keep it within the moderate range. There's really no evidenced-based reason to exceed 1g/day, however you'll always hear anecdotal evidence in favor of, or against, megadosing. Rather than searching through articles on pubmed and reading abstracts without actually looking at the statistics (sample size, alpha level, power analysis, etc.), it's much easier and more efficient to look through a systematic review database like Cochrane. Experts get paid to go through all the experiments involving say antioxidant supplementation and it's effect on X, carefully examine the statistics, and give a systematic review of the current literature. I think for most antioxidant systematic reviews, you'll find that large enough studies to produce statistically significant data yield neutral results. Typically, positive and negative results are more common in small-sample size studies here.
It's also hard to separate out what's actually effective from anecdotal evidence since most people who megadose one vitamin also take other supplements. For example, someone megadoses C (>2000mg/day) and E (>1100 units/day) and thinks his arteries are better off as a result. Well, Vitamin E can neutralize oxidized-LDL, C may have some function in regenerating E, assisting in lipid transport, functioning as a reducing agent etc., so it's all very connected, but taking it overboard isn't necessarily the answer. The problems I've seen with Vitamin C megadosing are GI distress and urine acidosis, leading to uric acid stones, but the stones aren't very common.
You probably won't see much of an effect at all in terms of muscle mass. The article referenced earlier concludes decreased cellular adaptation from mitochondrial markers, but if there is any gross effect, it will probably be seen in slow twitch adaptation to sustained stress (think stabilizing muscles that are always at work). Hypertrophy will probably not be significantly affected.
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I take a pack everyday.
google fresh start vitamin company,
The best deals around.
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http://www.freshstartvitamins.com/
GReat deal on vitamins
and all in packets. High potency.
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I have a decent home gym - everything but a squat rack - but I can't lift in florida during the summer much, as it's 92 degrees at 7 am most days.
uh, perhaps some light ac or even a fan would do the trick
i guess that's a big NO on the ac and/or fan ;D
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I think it was an MD, I'll look.
The article was about how the things you eat that make you healthy, are often counter-productive to muscle growth. Fish, for example, is great for health, but may retard growth following a workout. Vitamin C is another.
Something about how our bodies release the toxic free radicals as a result of the cell destruction of lifting. That is a good thing for muscle building, but bad for toxin buildup.
Vit C kills free radicals, but also kills growth as a result. Not sure how much I'm paraphrasing or remembering correctly. I'm all about killing free radicals, and I like my vitamin C and E a few times daily. JUst didn't know if it was particularly useful, or counter-productive, following a workout.
Pseudo-science at it's best. What causes the muscle to grow is the nerve stimuli that indicates the myosin and actin filaments have been damaged, not the free radicals released by this damage. Don't buy MD: toilet tissue is better and cheaper for the purpose MD serves.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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exactly----its ph is formulated so it doesnt cause upset stomachs in large doses
the opposite of what your claiming is true.
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vitamin c is great for stress. it is especially good for your adrenal glands during periods of emotional and physical stress. we are one of the few animals that do not produce vitamin c naturally.
measure the vitamin c levels in a horse at room temperature, then measure the horses vit c levels when you put the it in the freezing cold. the vit c levels will be much higher in the frigid temperatures. they produce it naturally as a response to the stress from the cold.
humans dont have this ability, so vit c supplementation is important if youre looking to strive for optimum health. no more than 200-250 mg per dose, as anything significantly greater is a waste. take this dosage several times throughout the day. anywhere from a total of 1000-1500 mg per day works for most people.
when taking vitamin c, you must also be sure to have a good intake of bioflavonoids, which are found naturally in the pulps of fruit. without the intake of bioflavonoids, a lot of vitamin c can be loss due to lack of absorption.
vitamin c wont make you pack on muscle though, and whether before or after a workout, i wouldnt worry about that.
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i guess that's a big NO on the ac and/or fan ;D
Maybe he's not into bodybuilding. Did you ever think of that? :)
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Maybe he's not into bodybuilding. Did you ever think of that? :)
But I live here.