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THE REAL NINJA12-10-2008, 10:43 PM
First of all how the hell would we know ? 2nd Lots of people can bench 500 lbs3rd The world rec for bench press is around 800 lbs 4th Mike Tyson benched 400 at a young age This is not uncommon.
I saw sam peter bench 700 in the gym once, yet viali beat him easy. Bench dont mean shit in boxing
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Funny how Tyson benched 400lbs when he himself said he didn't like nor promote weight training.
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Thats nothing, I have Rampage benching 800 X 20 ;D
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Thats nothing, I have Rampage benching 800 X 20 ;D
He could do a lot more, but doesn't want to damage his flexability ;D
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That's nothing, this guy benches 950 solid ass pounds:
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That's nothing, this guy benches 950 solid ass pounds:
and he has used your asshole many times.
:-X :-\
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That's nothing, this guy benches 950 solid ass pounds:
And thats just a BW bench.
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and he has used your asshole many times.
:-X :-\
watch your mouth convict.
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Bo Jackson could supposedly hit 400 on the bench, and he barely trained with weights.
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=2326704 (http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=2326704)
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He could do a lot more, but doesn't want to damage his flexability ;D
he outta the joint yet?
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he outta the joint yet?
Got out the naxt day. He just got back from England sparring with Bisbane (sp) he and Dave Roberts will be with me till mid-Nov then goes back to England for 4 more weeks then train with me till his fight Dec 27th.
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Got out the naxt day. He just got back from England sparring with Bisbane (sp) he and Dave Roberts will be with me till mid-Nov then goes back to England for 4 more weeks then train with me till his fight Dec 27th.
Do you have any pics of yourself and Rampage??
"1"
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Do you have any pics of yourself and Rampage??
"1"
Nah, not big picture taker with my clients.
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That's nothing, this guy benches 950 solid ass pounds:
lol, "seden' hunned' solid ass pounds"
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Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit. If a Bench press sounds unbelievable, don't believe it because it's B.S.
And Valuev definitely can't bench press anything close to 900lbs, let alone 500lbs or even 300lbs. My guess would be that Nikolai Valuev can bench press about 250lbs on a good day. Despite his stature, he simply isn't that strong.
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A guy in my gym who is pretty strong sed he spotted a guy with 700lbs before...funny thing is you can only fit 645lbs on the bar...biggest legit bench ever in my gym was 580lbs not comp form but apparantly strick. Many seen thus
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WOW! Then he's only 15 or 20lbs off of the world record raw benchpress.
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140lbs mate...big diff also i sed not comp standards...no pause though a gym bench
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140lbs mate...big diff also i sed not comp standards...no pause though a gym bench
Nah, I meant to the op about some boxer benching 700lbs. I believe what you said right above my post though.
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Nah, I meant to the op about some boxer benching 700lbs. I believe what you said right above my post though.
ah apologies.
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THE REAL NINJA12-10-2008, 10:43 PM
First of all how the hell would we know ? 2nd Lots of people can bench 500 lbs3rd The world rec for bench press is around 800 lbs 4th Mike Tyson benched 400 at a young age This is not uncommon.
I saw sam peter bench 700 in the gym once, yet viali beat him easy. Bench dont mean shit in boxing
Bench dont mean shit in boxing....Correct. when Tyson was young 13-23 he only did weights on rare occasions, weights always took second place to his Boxing training....fast forward to when Tyson first got out of jail in 1995 and had his first fight back against peter McNeely...awesome build ripped abs etc...did it make tyson any better lifting weights? he looked more muscaluar, harder, deeper abs, biceps etc... when he came back he looked a Million dollars.....looked like he spent more time down the gym lifting weights than in the Boxing gym....Tyson was @ his best when he spent more time in the BOXING GYM..not the GYM lifting weights, carrying that extra muscle didn,t help Tyson, when he came out of the can he was still just 29-30 yrs old...i still think regardless TYSON in his PRIME 19-22 was one of the most destructive heavyweights ever!
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weights making boxers slower etc is a myth. weights when done correctly improve a boxers power speed etc.
ultimately to become abetter boxer box, to become a better weightlifter lift weights.
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weights making boxers slower etc is a myth. weights when done correctly improve a boxers power speed etc.
ultimately to become abetter boxer box, to become a better weightlifter lift weights.
??? ??? ???Big call there mate...........Fighters need to hit the road and RUN.....not do squats down the GYM (point is as a fighter you cannot replace roadwork with lifting weights squatting because it will make yr legs bigger) fighters need to Skipp, hit the heavy bag, spar in the ring etc...not bench press huge weights,shoulder press 300lbs etc..etc...weights are a EXTRA supplement to be used as a secondary measure to yr main stay as a fighter...not to be used cause you will look better, have STRONGER arms, pecs and so on ...Fighters = fighting first...weights second as a supplement.
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Sam hit 700? Damn.
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??? ??? ???Big call there mate...........Fighters need to hit the road and RUN.....not do squats down the GYM (point is as a fighter you cannot replace roadwork with lifting weights squatting because it will make yr legs bigger) fighters need to Skipp, hit the heavy bag, spar in the ring etc...not bench press huge weights,shoulder press 300lbs etc..etc...weights are a EXTRA supplement to be used as a secondary measure to yr main stay as a fighter...not to be used cause you will look better, have STRONGER arms, pecs and so on ...Fighters = fighting first...weights second as a supplement.
that is basically what i said. To become a bvetter footballer you need to play football...however doing plyo's etc will improive they will not turn a shit footballer in to a great footballer.
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Sam hit 700? Damn.
Hey Steve, did you find when you were still Competing fighting, lifting weights helped yr speed, power, flexibility etc in yr fights? i ask that because i found b4 i started lifting weights in the late 1980s my speed, power etc..in my fights was spot on...after lifting heavy weights for more than a decade i found when actually getting back in the ring for real, i was bigger, stronger etc...but F.uck me i just didn,t have the timing, speed, and more so Flexibility like yrs b4, (getting older doesn,t help ether ;D) although i was alot stronger in the clintchs, grappling etc....
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that is basically what i said. To become a bvetter footballer you need to play football...however doing plyo's etc will improive they will not turn a shit footballer in to a great footballer.
Oh...sorry mis-read your post :)
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no probs dude 8)
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that is basically what i said. To become a bvetter footballer you need to play football...however doing plyo's etc will improive they will not turn a shit footballer in to a great footballer.
So there s no hope for me :D
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Who cares how much he benches when got beaten like this? ;D
And one more thing:
Vitali reveals secret remedy!
Just when you thought you've heard everything. WBC heavyweight champion Vitali Klitschko has revealed his secret remedy for keeping his hands from swelling after fights. The champion told BILD he wraps his hands with Pampers soaked with the urine of his three-year-old son Max. "Children's urine is pure, without toxic substances and hardly smells. Little Max must make peepee for Dad," Klitschko is quoted as saying. "Some people even drink their own urine, however I don't." The champ added, "I also recommend the urine compress for Sam Peter. He could wind it around his head." :D :D
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Bench dont mean shit in boxing....Correct. when Tyson was young 13-23 he only did weights on rare occasions, weights always took second place to his Boxing training....fast forward to when Tyson first got out of jail in 1995 and had his first fight back against peter McNeely...awesome build ripped abs etc...did it make tyson any better lifting weights? he looked more muscaluar, harder, deeper abs, biceps etc... when he came back he looked a Million dollars.....looked like he spent more time down the gym lifting weights than in the Boxing gym....Tyson was @ his best when he spent more time in the BOXING GYM..not the GYM lifting weights, carrying that extra muscle didn,t help Tyson, when he came out of the can he was still just 29-30 yrs old...i still think regardless TYSON in his PRIME 19-22 was one of the most destructive heavyweights ever!
Tyson was quite muscular for a boxer and obviously lifted weights often, regardless of what he claims.
Also, The movement from a benchpress and the movements from several types of punches are essentially the same and use the same muscle groups. I.E. Big Bench=More powerful punch. Though in order to get a "hard hit" speed is also necessary. Basic physics. K=1/2M*V2
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Tyson was quite muscular for a boxer and obviously lifted weights often, regardless of what he claims.
In an interview, Mike said he never put more the 225 on the bar his entire life.
If you know anything about his training, he did DIPS like a mad man.
8)
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In an interview, Mike said he never put more the 225 on the bar his entire life.
If you know anything about his training, he did DIPS like a mad man.
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Boxers i know who do weights do lots of chins dips and shoulders. Although squats help with power and the power goes form ur big toe all way through body to fist not many do squats...maybe overkill all teh skipping and running
many punch with dumbells.
type 'ross training' into youtube...this guy has the right idea
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700lbs ::)
and mike tyson benching 400lbs? not even close...he was never as strong in the gym as alot of people seem to believe.
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Tyson was quite muscular for a boxer and obviously lifted weights often, regardless of what he claims.
Also, The movement from a benchpress and the movements from several types of punches are essentially the same and use the same muscle groups. I.E. Big Bench=More powerful punch. Though in order to get a "hard hit" speed is also necessary. Basic physics. K=1/2M*V2
LOL........Basic physics.....mate not being smart here but have you been a Competitive fighter of anysort @ any level eg: Karate, MMA, Kickboxing, Boxing, underground cage fighting, etc???...the "Basic physics" theory always gives me a good Laugh why?...Because when you fight in a ring (of anysort) with another man (who's trained to fight) hes not standing STILL straight in front of you (unless he's stupid) allowing you to use the Basic physics theory of the More you can Bench = more powerful punch... I'm gonna offload my 500lbs of bench press power and knock you out, because you can only benchpress 250lbs...that mate you can take to the BANK is Rubbish...throwing your arms out to punch someone in the head or using your legs to kick someone in the head in the ring has got NOTHING to do with how much bigger your bench is than mine or that if you can squat 800lbs compared to my 300lbs...because the basic physics theory says you can by that rule will be able to kick me Harder in the Head because you can squat 800lbs...and because you can bench 500lbs compared to my 250lbs.... if you follow that rule (because its Basic physics) you should be able to punch me harder, with "MORE" power etc.....in reality it does not translate in the ring... that Basic physics theory belongs where it should in the BOOK, and in my view does not work in combat.
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LOL........Basic physics.....mate not being smart here but have you been a Competitive fighter of anysort @ any level eg: Karate, MMA, Kickboxing, Boxing, underground cage fighting, etc???...the "Basic physics" theory always gives me a good Laugh why?...Because when you fight in a ring (of anysort) with another man (who's trained to fight) hes not standing STILL straight in front of you (unless he's stupid) allowing you to use the Basic physics theory of the More you can Bench = more powerful punch... I'm gonna offload my 500lbs of bench press power and knock you out, because you can only benchpress 250lbs...that mate you can take to the BANK is Rubbish...throwing your arms out to punch someone in the head or using your legs to kick someone in the head in the ring has got NOTHING to do with how much bigger your bench is than mine or that if you can squat 800lbs compared to my 300lbs...because the basic physics theory says you can by that rule will be able to kick me Harder in the Head because you can squat 800lbs...and because you can bench 500lbs compared to my 250lbs.... if you follow that rule (because its Basic physics) you should be able to punch me harder, with "MORE" power etc.....in reality it does not translate in the ring... that Basic physics theory belongs where it should in the BOOK, and in my view does not work in combat.
correct.
In a streetfight though all things being equal the stronger/bigger guy will generally win...only if both are untrained
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LOL........Basic physics.....mate not being smart here but have you been a Competitive fighter of anysort @ any level eg: Karate, MMA, Kickboxing, Boxing, underground cage fighting, etc???...the "Basic physics" theory always gives me a good Laugh why?...Because when you fight in a ring (of anysort) with another man (who's trained to fight) hes not standing STILL straight in front of you (unless he's stupid) allowing you to use the Basic physics theory of the More you can Bench = more powerful punch... I'm gonna offload my 500lbs of bench press power and knock you out, because you can only benchpress 250lbs...that mate you can take to the BANK is Rubbish...throwing your arms out to punch someone in the head or using your legs to kick someone in the head in the ring has got NOTHING to do with how much bigger your bench is than mine or that if you can squat 800lbs compared to my 300lbs...because the basic physics theory says you can by that rule will be able to kick me Harder in the Head because you can squat 800lbs...and because you can bench 500lbs compared to my 250lbs.... if you follow that rule (because its Basic physics) you should be able to punch me harder, with "MORE" power etc.....in reality it does not translate in the ring... that Basic physics theory belongs where it should in the BOOK, and in my view does not work in combat.
The same muscles are used regardless of if the opponent is moving about or not.
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get a gun and no one cares what you bench press.
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The same muscles are used regardless of if the opponent is moving about or not.
Punching is legs waist and back...shoulders to an extent.
I can ssure you on this. I cant punsh as hard as some people i may outbench by 100lbs despite them being 30kg lighter than me
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Punching is legs waist and back...shoulders to an extent.
I can ssure you on this. I cant punsh as hard as some people i may outbench by 100lbs despite them being 30kg lighter than me
But if they bumped their bench up 100lbs then they would punch even harder.
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I will ask him the inns and outs of this tomorro and reply.
But to get that extra 100lbs he would likely have to move up 2 weight classes...where people are punching harder still.
Not once punch in boxing comes from the chest...if you ever do a boxing workout or padwork etc you will be sore next day in calves, waist possibly shoulders, lats biceps anr forearms
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If you want to know whether strength makes a big difference in boxing, just look at the champions throughout history.
As time goes on, they keep getting bigger and bigger; not just strength-wise, but height-wise too.
Today, you have champions with barely any skill, relying purely on sheer brute force.
Is strength and size important in heavyweight boxing?
I'd say it's extremely important.
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Right, Put a top boxer from the 1890s against a top boxer today and it would be like a grown man fighting a small child.
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It is more the size difference that makes teh difference...height.
e.g An average 7foot russin giant will always always stand a chance against a 6'2 talanted boxer,
If you cant get close enough you cant do damage.
Also those 7footers prob have 90" reaches
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If you want to know whether strength makes a big difference in boxing, just look at the champions throughout history.
As time goes on, they keep getting bigger and bigger; not just strength-wise, but height-wise too.
Today, you have champions with barely any skill, relying purely on sheer brute force.
Is strength and size important in heavyweight boxing?
I'd say it's extremely important.
Strength and size is in modern combat important...but it will always play second to Mental Conditioning...if your Mentally weak all the strength and size WHEN the PRESSURE is FORCED onto you... will not save your massive size and strength of a body.
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It is more the size difference that makes teh difference...height.
e.g An average 7foot russin giant will always always stand a chance against a 6'2 talanted boxer,
If you cant get close enough you cant do damage.
Also those 7footers prob have 90" reaches
I agree that height makes a huge difference too;
I believe I mentioned that in my post.
The increased musculature however, is just as important.
Also, the extremely tall guys fighting, have correspondingly high power, due to their body mass.
If Mike Tyson had the physique of Bob Fitzsimmons,
he wouldn't have been a force in modern heavyweight boxing.
The overall trend is toward top heavyweights getting stronger and taller.
Boxers today, would make the classic boxers look like midgets.
The dramatic size increase is not always matched with a dramatic skill increase,
because the bigger you are, the less skill you need to win.
"Strength and size is in modern combat important...but it will always play second to Mental Conditioning...if your Mentally weak all the strength and size WHEN the PRESSURE is FORCED onto you... will not save your massive size and strength of a body."
That's true unless the size advantage is absolutely ridiculous, like it is with Valuev.
He was carried to a championship, relying purely on his size. He beat guys with greater heart than him,
because they simply didn't have the tools to beat his size advantage.