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A little late for him to try this. He already said Wright is off-limits. That was a mistake. Now if he raises the issue he will sound like a hypocrite.
Conservatives Say McCain Should Slam Obama for His Relationship With Wright
FOXNews.com
Wednesday, October 15, 2008
Conservatives are urging John McCain to go for the jugular in the final presidential debate Wednesday night and attack Barack Obama for his relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
"The Jeremiah Wright issue is a perfectly legitimate issue," syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer told FOX News. "Jeremiah Wright is not a casual acquaintance. He's a guy that Obama has told us about in his books. He was a very important influence on his adult life, probably the most important influence on him after his wife. And we know what kind of man Wright is and what he believes."
Wright, a fiery pastor who established one of the most powerful churches in Chicago until his retirement earlier this year, is credited by Obama for bringing him back to his Christian roots. But the Democratic candidate left Trinity United Church of Christ after 20 years in the spring after videotapes surfaced showing Wright's angry and provocative criticism of America's foreign policy and its history of oppressing minorities.
McCain and running mate Sarah Palin have gone after Obama in recent weeks for his association with former domestic terrorist William Ayers, accusing Obama of lying about their true relationship in ads and at rallies. McCain has softened that attack on the campaign trail in recent days, though not in his TV and radio ads.
Obama and McCain plan to lay out their vision for the country and promote their economic policies in Wednesday night's debate, which will air at 9 p.m. ET on all major broadcast and cable news networks. But McCain, who is trailing in the national polls as well as in most of the critical swing states, is expected to unleash character attacks on his opponent after both Obama and running mate Joe Biden challenged him to "say it to my face."
McCain's top advisers and Palin believe he should attack Obama over Wright. But McCain is said to fear being painted as a racist if he does.
"It's a completely unfounded charge," Krauthammer said, "but McCain has flinched."
Democratic strategist Paul Maslin said it's "ludicrous" for conservatives to push McCain to attack Obama on his relationship with Wright.
"We've had a virtual meltdown of our economy and they think he's going to make up ground in the polls by going after Jeremiah Wright or Bill Ayers," Maslin said. "It's preposterous."
Conservative commentator Tucker Carlson said he envisions a McCain ad featuring Wright's most inflammatory statements:
"God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme," Wright railed in one of his sermons.
"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye. ... America's chickens are coming home to roost," Wright once said.
Carlson said the narrator in his imaginary ad would then state, "For 20 years, Barack Obama sat in the pews, even brought his family, as Wright preached hate. Obama never said a word, until he was caught. Then he defended Wright. Barack Obama: Divisive. Dishonest. Dangerous."
Three conservative Californians also have created an ad featuring Wright that declares, "Barack Obama seems to have different values from most Americans." It's unknown, though, how widely the ad, which is not approved by the McCain campaign, will air.
Maslin said he doesn't believe McCain will raise Wright at all, adding that such an attack would backfire and put more Republican congressional seats in jeopardy in next month's election.
"John McCain at some point has to realize his legacy is at stake here," Maslin said. He said McCain would return to the Senate humiliated if he tried to mollify the right wing of the party with the character attacks.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/15/analysts-mccain-slam-obama-wright-relationship/
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If he makes this ad, does Obama get to make the Ad with Palin and the witch doctor?
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Beachbum,
How bout you go canvass some neighborhoods and leave us alone?
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The Wright thing only plays with fringers like the Mormons.
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The Wright thing only plays with fringers like the Mormons.
Just like the ACORN thing and that African dude thing. Among the far-right Kool-aid drinkers these things are game changers, but they barely register with most Americans. And it's not simply because the msm won't cover it. The far right idealogues are desparate to overblow things that have no teeth.
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If he makes this ad, does Obama get to make the Ad with Palin and the witch doctor?
Did the witch doctor accuse the government of creating AIDs to target black folks and serve as an advisor for 20 years?
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Beachbum,
How bout you go canvass some neighborhoods and leave us alone?
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Did the witch doctor accuse the government of creating AIDs to target black folks and serve as an advisor for 20 years?
No, but it said he was keeping WITCHES at bay.
One of them talked about a fictional character and the other talked about possible issues within the US government.
The US government DID use black people as guinea pigs in the early 20th century... That is a fact.
So, which one really has more credibility?
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No, but it said he was keeping WITCHES at bay.
One of them talked about a fictional character and the other talked about possible issues within the US government.
The US government DID use black people as guinea pigs in the early 20th century... That is a fact.
So, which one really has more credibility?
I don't really see a comparison. Wright was Obama's spiritual advisor for 20 years. Obama has now disowned him, after claiming he would not disown him, so even he realizes his relationship was a problem.
The fact the government used black folks as guinea pigs does not prove the absurd contention that the government created AIDs to target black people. There is no proof. It makes no sense. To have someone with loony ideas like that in Obama's ear for 20 years directly reflects on Obama's judgment.
But it's too late for McCain to discuss this.
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I don't really see a comparison. Wright was Obama's spiritual advisor for 20 years. Obama has now disowned him, after claiming he would not disown him, so even he realizes his relationship was a problem.
The fact the government used black folks as guinea pigs does not prove the absurd contention that the government created AIDs to target black people. There is no proof. It makes no sense. To have someone with loony ideas like that in Obama's ear for 20 years directly reflects on Obama's judgment.
But it's too late for McCain to discuss this.
I disagree... You think Wright truly has no right to that opinion?
I'd say it's cool.
That's just me though...
Much better than being preached to by a witch doctor.
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I disagree... You think Wright truly has no right to that opinion?
I'd say it's cool.
That's just me though...
Much better than being preached to by a witch doctor.
I think that people should be able to disagree with their church, political connections, family members and not be seen as some evil incarnate.
When you are in lockstep with someone all of the time, you are not using your brain.
If you choose to continue to associate with said people, that doesn't mean you agree with everything the person says.
I believe there had to be some redeeming qualities in that church, just like in the catholic church. The Reverend Wright was not what all of the church was about.
Sandra
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I disagree... You think Wright truly has no right to that opinion?
I'd say it's cool.
That's just me though...
Much better than being preached to by a witch doctor.
I'm not saying he doesn't have the right to his opinion. This is America. Wright can have whatever opinion he wants. He can believe that the government created AIDS to target a minority group, that 911 was chickens coming home to roost, and make his "God damn America" statements till the cows come home. I just don't want him in the ear of the next president for 20 years.
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Did the witch doctor accuse the government of creating AIDs to target black folks and serve as an advisor for 20 years?
not witch doctor, whichhunter!!!!!!! How many woman have died because of guys like this witchhunter? Look it up, they have a real problem with it over there. with the shit he stired up in villages and towns, there's a real good chance some of these women he pointed his finger at didn't just move on but found a painful end. You care about women right or only if they're christian white?
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I'm not saying he doesn't have the right to his opinion. This is America. Wright can have whatever opinion he wants. He can believe that the government created AIDS to target a minority group, that 911 was chickens coming home to roost, and make his "God damn America" statements till the cows come home. I just don't want him in the ear of the next president for 20 years.
I see no issue with someone damning America and then trying to make it better... That's what you're SUPPOSED to do.
See injustice and fix it.
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I disagree... You think Wright truly has no right to that opinion?
I'd say it's cool.
That's just me though...
Much better than being preached to by a witch doctor.
if im not mistaken the witch docter was a visiting preacher and is a different story as obamas church had visiting preachers that could be criticized as well...OBAMA however sat in this guys church for 20+ years but never heard him say things like this ::)
two totally different circumstance
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he won't because he is chickenshit and has his own fucked up preacher to deal with if obama hits back.
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if im not mistaken the witch docter was a visiting preacher and is a different story as obamas church had visiting preachers that could be criticized as well...OBAMA however sat in this guys church for 20+ years but never heard him say things like this ::)
two totally different circumstance
So the guy thinks America has crapped on black people and that's a problem?
I don't see it that way I suppose.
Serious question.
Are you worried about white people losing some power or something?
I never saw Obama on stage with the guy... Sure he sat in the pews, but he wasn't up front being healed by the guy either.
You're right they're different.
One is speaking about injustices in America, the other is a witch doctor.
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if im not mistaken the witch docter was a visiting preacher and is a different story as obamas church had visiting preachers that could be criticized as well...OBAMA however sat in this guys church for 20+ years but never heard him say things like this ::)
two totally different circumstance
what's with the witch doctor ??? it's witchhunter! If he were a witch doctor, he would be the one being chased out of town or killed for witchcraft.
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what's with the witch doctor ??? it's witchhunter! If he were a witch doctor, he would be the one being chased out of town or killed for witchcraft.
Good point... Witch HUNTER.
He's hunting witches... Honest to god WITCHES.
WTF?!
I wonder if he offs little Wicca mothers floating around.
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So the guy thinks America has crapped on black people and that's a problem?
I don't see it that way I suppose.
Serious question.
Are you worried about white people losing some power or something?
I never saw Obama on stage with the guy... Sure he sat in the pews, but he wasn't up front being healed by the guy either.
You're right they're different.
One is speaking about injustices in America, the other is a witch doctor.
LOL fuking injustices bro come on you think that the government made aids to target the black community honest to god this retard believes this shit?
bro im not afraid of white ppl losing any power now giving power to somebody who agrees with some of the ridiculous shit that was preached in that church ya i have a big problem with that shit.
You dont sit in a specific church unless you agree with whats being said
obama has the bad end of the stick on this and you guys know it if you dont your nipple whores
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LOL fuking injustices bro come on you think that the government made aids to target the black community honest to god this retard believes this shit?
bro im not afraid of white ppl losing any power now giving power to somebody who agrees with some of the ridiculous shit that was preached in that church ya i have a big problem with that shit.
You dont sit in a specific church unless you agree with whats being said
obama has the bad end of the stick on this and you guys know it if you dont your nipple whores
Whether or not I believe that AIDS was created by the US government and targeted towards blacks is irrelevant. What IS relevant however, is whether or not the US has committed atrocities against it's own citizens AT ALL.
It has... you can't deny that it has and for you to act like Wright's opinions on the Government don't have merit is ridiculous.
The government has done many many things to it's citizens... Things which were completely wrong... Maybe they didn't have anything to do with AIDS, maybe they didn't have anything to do with crack... But yet, what if they did?
The government couldn't have possibly done 9-11, but yet, there was a mirror plan of 9-11 created back in the 60s by government officials to allow them to go into Cuba.
Say what you will, but the government has done some shady shit and whether or not they did this one particular thing doesn't excuse all of the shit they HAVE done and continue to do.
Wright may not put it in a way you like, but to dismiss him just because he says "God Damn America" (When it is right and just to put it just like that) is just wrong of you.
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Whether or not I believe that AIDS was created by the US government and targeted towards blacks is irrelevant. What IS relevant however, is whether or not the US has committed atrocities against it's own citizens AT ALL.
It has... you can't deny that it has and for you to act like Wright's opinions on the Government don't have merit is ridiculous.
The government has done many many things to it's citizens... Things which were completely wrong... Maybe they didn't have anything to do with AIDS, maybe they didn't have anything to do with crack... But yet, what if they did?
The government couldn't have possibly done 9-11, but yet, there was a mirror plan of 9-11 created back in the 60s by government officials to allow them to go into Cuba.
Say what you will, but the government has done some shady shit and whether or not they did this one particular thing doesn't excuse all of the shit they HAVE done and continue to do.
Wright may not put it in a way you like, but to dismiss him just because he says "God Damn America" (When it is right and just to put it just like that) is just wrong of you.
yes yes the government has done shady shit name one that hasnt call them out on relevant shit not make up ridiculous racist claims...come the fuk on bro it is irresponsible and plain fuking ignorant.
Now that being said i agree that a governments citizens should take interest but that doesnt mean they should make unsubstantiad comments about it. I dont really hold much against wright for the damn america b/c when you listen to it in context its not all that bad could have it been worded better of course but i get his point...that being said i never mentioned that comment here so it is irrelevant
What is relevant is wrights comment about aids and im sorry for a US senetor to sit through this shit and shit like it is PLAIN FUKING WRONG and you know it if the roles where reversed and mccain had sat in a church where its pastor had said that the african american community had done something to target the caucasion community he would be slandered and would never had gotten this far.
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yes yes the government has done shady shit name one that hasnt call them out on relevant shit not make up ridiculous racist claims...come the fuk on bro it is irresponsible and plain fuking ignorant.
Now that being said i agree that a governments citizens should take interest but that doesnt mean they should make unsubstantiad comments about it. I dont really hold much against wright for the damn america b/c when you listen to it in context its not all that bad could have it been worded better of course but i get his point...that being said i never mentioned that comment here so it is irrelevant
What is relevant is wrights comment about aids and im sorry for a US senetor to sit through this shit and shit like it is PLAIN FUKING WRONG and you know it if the roles where reversed and mccain had sat in a church where its pastor had said that the african american community had done something to target the caucasion community he would be slandered and would never had gotten this far.
So really, because Obama's Pastor said the AIDS thing, that's wrong in your viewpoint... I see.
In all honesty, who is the wealthy ELITE in this country, you know, the people who have most of the money... Black people or white people?
Has there ever been a time in this country when the black community has had even the most remote opportunity to keep the white people down?
In America, was there a time when Black people had slaves who were white?
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I don't really see a comparison. Wright was Obama's spiritual advisor for 20 years.
Do intelligent social climbers really have 'spiritual advisors'?
Let's get real now.
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So really, because Obama's Pastor said the AIDS thing, that's wrong in your viewpoint... I see.
In all honesty, who is the wealthy ELITE in this country, you know, the people who have most of the money... Black people or white people?
Has there ever been a time in this country when the black community has had even the most remote opportunity to keep the white people down?
In America, was there a time when Black people had slaves who were white?
LOL what relevance does any of this have on the times today? slavery? come the fuck on if blacks dont ever get over this shit and the racism they recieved fuking 50+ years ago they will never rise up as a community. So just b/c blacks where oppresed they can make assinine comments and not get called out for it? We have many different types of races in this country and yes your right more has been done to the black community than any other but more has been done for the black community than any other minority as well...give me a fuking break
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LOL what relevance does any of this have on the times today? slavery? come the fuck on if blacks dont ever get over this shit and the racism they recieved fuking 50+ years ago they will never rise up as a community. So just b/c blacks where oppresed they can make assinine comments and not get called out for it? We have many different types of races in this country and yes your right more has been done to the black community than any other but more has been done for the black community than any other minority as well...give me a fuking break
Yes they can... That's why the US and the rest of the world gives Israel a pass because of the holocaust.
It has relevance today because if the white elite has done it before, can you honestly sit here and tell me they would not do it again given the opportunity?
Look at white people being outraged over Obama... calling him a Muslim... saying he's a terrorist... That's simple racism and it shows how those people, if they had the opportunity to put people like Obama down and oppress them would do so.
Also, this isn't about "whining" as you put it... I asked real questions.
Let me sum a couple up.
Has the US government specifically had moments in it's history where it has specifically targeted black people as inferior or held them back?
Has it done the same to white people?
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Yes they can... That's why the US and the rest of the world gives Israel a pass because of the holocaust.
It has relevance today because if the white elite has done it before, can you honestly sit here and tell me they would not do it again given the opportunity?
Look at white people being outraged over Obama... calling him a Muslim... saying he's a terrorist... That's simple racism and it shows how those people, if they had the opportunity to put people like Obama down and oppress them would do so.
Also, this isn't about "whining" as you put it... I asked real questions.
Let me sum a couple up.
Has the US government specifically had moments in it's history where it has specifically targeted black people as inferior or held them back?
Has it done the same to white people?
when did i ever say anything about whining?
there are black ppl out there calling mccain a haunky and there are black ppl out there that would kill mccain if they had the chance...fuking give me a break
ever heard of affirmative action numbnut meant to help minorities but in doing so targeted white ppl ::)
your as ignorant as wright is bro
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when did i ever say anything about whining?
there are black ppl out there calling mccain a haunky and there are black ppl out there that would kill mccain if they had the chance...fuking give me a break
ever heard of affirmative action numbnut meant to help minorities but in doing so targeted white ppl ::)
your as ignorant as wright is bro
You're afraid... I think it's funny how you say that affirmative action has "targeted" white people, when it is a fact that the largest percent of rich people are in fact white.
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You're afraid... I think it's funny how you say that affirmative action has "targeted" white people, when it is a fact that the largest percent of rich people are in fact white.
LOL yes yes the whites have it out for blacks yet the other minority groups get a pass right why is it that mexican and asian immigrants operating within the same system do much better than the black community as a whole? i guess the government singles out blacks give me fuking break. Affirmative action was and is a crock and the fact that whites are the richest race in america doesnt change the fact that Affirmative action does target white ppl. Its our responsibility to give you shit? you get the same chance everyone else does and same oppurtunities as everyone else give me a break your great great great great ancestors where slaves who gives a fuck if you are using that as an excuse or crutch thats your problem not mine and shouldnt be the governments either.
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LOL yes yes the whites have it out for blacks yet the other minority groups get a pass right why is it that mexican and asian immigrants operating within the same system do much better than the black community as a whole? i guess the government singles out blacks give me fuking break. Affirmative action was and is a crock and the fact that whites are the richest race in america doesnt change the fact that Affirmative action does target white ppl. Its our responsibility to give you shit? you get the same chance everyone else does and same oppurtunities as everyone else give me a break your great great great great ancestors where slaves who gives a fuck if you are using that as an excuse or crutch thats your problem not mine and shouldnt be the governments either.
You never did answer my question.
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I see no issue with someone damning America and then trying to make it better... That's what you're SUPPOSED to do.
See injustice and fix it.
I have no problem with fixing injustices, but I doubt that was his intent. The man has some loony views and he was Obama's spiritual advisor for two decades. That's the issue.
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not witch doctor, whichhunter!!!!!!! How many woman have died because of guys like this witchhunter? Look it up, they have a real problem with it over there. with the shit he stired up in villages and towns, there's a real good chance some of these women he pointed his finger at didn't just move on but found a painful end. You care about women right or only if they're christian white?
What on earth are you talking about? Who said anything about white Christian females? ???
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Do intelligent social climbers really have 'spiritual advisors'?
Let's get real now.
Yes. They're called therapists. :)
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You never did answer my question.
what question would that be holmes?
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Do intelligent social climbers really have 'spiritual advisors'?
Let's get real now.
So you're finally admitting that Hussein is mostly just a slick talking con man and not an intelligent leader?
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I definitely have a problem with our president attending a church lead by Rev Wright's with black liberation theology in todays date. Many mainstream Americans do to0 (and they should). But the fact is that it is less important than the economic crises we are experiencing and its too late for McCain to bring this up with any real power.
McCain said it was off limits due to his fear of being called racist....that to me is also racism. The criticizm must be fair game at this level.
The "Witch Doctor" is also deplorable..but a bit different cause that person wasn't the leader of the congregation. In many churches, and certainly in many churches w/ predominantly black members, the pastor pretty much is the church.
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what question would that be holmes?
It was 2.
Has the US government specifically had moments in it's history where it has specifically targeted black people as inferior or held them back?
Has it done the same to white people?
Notice how I asked those in a couple of posts previous.
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LOL fuking injustices bro come on you think that the government made aids to target the black community honest to god this retard believes this shit?
bro im not afraid of white ppl losing any power now giving power to somebody who agrees with some of the ridiculous shit that was preached in that church ya i have a big problem with that shit.
You dont sit in a specific church unless you agree with whats being said
obama has the bad end of the stick on this and you guys know it if you dont your nipple whores
Learn American History. The Tuskegee Experiments. Yes, the government did experiment with sphyllis and black men to see the effects of the disease if left untreatd. This went on from 1932 t0 1972.
So, if some black people believe the government will use us as guinea pigs, there is a precedent.
Sandra
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Learn American History. The Tuskegee Experiments. Yes, the government did experiment with sphyllis and black men to see the effects of the disease if left untreatd. This went on from 1932 t0 1972.
So, if some black people believe the government will use us as guinea pigs, there is a precedent.
Sandra
Thank you for understanding where I'm coming from Sandra.
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tu, your correct. Historically, there have been injustices to black Americans. Yes.
Historically, there have been many prejudices in this country, whether it be the Chinese in the early 20th century, the Irish, Italians and Polish in the early 20th century, the Japanese during WWII, women before their right to vote, the American Indian, Asians & Indians, Muslims, people w/ disabilities.
The point is that we have gone to great lengths across race to correct discrimination in our systems and across the board, we have succeeded. Sure there are individuals that discriminate but no longer widespread systems. We also have to make sure we don't continue a culture of resentment and entitlement based on past wrongs committed by other generations.
People like Rev Wright keep us in the 1950s and 1960s.
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Thank you for understanding where I'm coming from Sandra.
Being black, I still see racism in it's more subtle forms. And that is to me personally.
So, when I see middle America thinking Obama is a muslim, an Arab, a terrorist, it makes me see that ignorance still abounds when it comes to race.
Im not saying any race doesn't have some prejudices, but this is ridiculous because it is being perpetrated by people who want to run a country with so much diversity. You don't do that by splitting the country along color lines.
Bush did it, the color he used was the color of money. Look where it got us eight years later.
And if you are not a person of color, you may never get it.
Sandra
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tu, your correct. Historically, there have been injustices to black Americans. Yes.
Historically, there have been many prejudices in this country, whether it be the Chinese in the early 20th century, the Irish, Italians and Polish in the early 20th century, the Japanese during WWII, women before their right to vote, the American Indian, Asians & Indians, Muslims, people w/ disabilities.
The point is that we have gone to great lengths across race to correct discrimination in our systems and across the board, we have succeeded. Sure there are individuals that discriminate but no longer widespread systems. We also have to make sure we don't continue a culture of resentment and entitlement based on past wrongs committed by other generations.
People like Rev Wright keep us in the 1950s and 1960s.
I disagree... Rev Wright simply reminds us that you can't just blindly "trust" that people will do the right thing... They don't.
There are MANY racists still in the US and while it may be bad form to go to Klan rallies, I bet the Klan would be a lot larger if it wasn't considered such an evil entity by social norms.
Remember... We must remember and learn from history or we are destined to repeat it.
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I agree tu. But on the Klan point, it is unacceptible because we all have made it unacceptible, as it must be.
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"So, when I see middle America thinking Obama is a muslim, an Arab, a terrorist, it makes me see that ignorance still abounds when it comes to race".
I agree with this as well. Obama is not a muslim or terrorist and people who cling to those ideas are ignorant.
IMO, we must stop the divisive repub vs democrat. I hope for the collapse of the two party system. It causes the fringe lunatics of each party to go at each other which solves none of our issues.
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IMO, we must stop the divisive repub vs democrat. I hope for the collapse of the two party system. It causes the fringe lunatics of each party to go at each other which solves none of our issues.
I agree with this, but keeping the divisiveness has helped the republican party tremendously.
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if im not mistaken the witch docter was a visiting preacher and is a different story as obamas church had visiting preachers that could be criticized as well...OBAMA however sat in this guys church for 20+ years but never heard him say things like this ::)
two totally different circumstance
Dont bother the cult members with the truth. To them a visting priest is the same thing as going to the same racist church for 20 years and donating 27k to it in 2007.
Rev. Wright, Ayeres, Odinga, et al are all people ZERO sought out. He found them because that is what he believes. ZERO is a radical marxist and the rev. Wright issue just affirms that fact.
I have never been in a church, temple, or any services, where the leader said "God Damn America" or "Amerikkka" or the other nonsense he spouted.
To the cultists, this is just perfectly normal.
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Sorry, I didn't see this correctly "Rev Wright simply reminds us that you can't just blindly "trust" that people will do the right thing... They don't."
While I agree with the statement you wrote, Rev Wright's way of reminding is negative and disruptive.
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Dont bother the cult members with the truth. To them a visting priest is the same thing as going to the same racist church for 20 years and donating 27k to it in 2007.
Rev. Wright, Ayeres, Odinga, et al are all people ZERO sought out. He found them because that is what he believes. ZERO is a radical marxist and the rev. Wright issue just affirms that fact.
I have never been in a church, temple, or any services, where the leader said "God Damn America" or "Amerikkka" or the other nonsense he spouted.
To the cultists, this is just perfectly normal.
Haha... Now it's a "cult".
Only a Neo-Con would say a Baptist church is a "Cult", but Witch Hunting is a perfectly normal religious practice.
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Dont bother the cult members with the truth. To them a visting priest is the same thing as going to the same racist church for 20 years and donating 27k to it in 2007.
Rev. Wright, Ayeres, Odinga, et al are all people ZERO sought out. He found them because that is what he believes. ZERO is a radical marxist and the rev. Wright issue just affirms that fact.
I have never been in a church, temple, or any services, where the leader said "God Damn America" or "Amerikkka" or the other nonsense he spouted.
To the cultists, this is just perfectly normal.
I gotta agree that Hussein affiliations are just scary! TOO MANY people that each are enough of a reason to fear him, all together they are just OVERWHELMING and I can't understand how people ignore that.
McCain biggest flaws are that he is too nice to go down and hard on all those issues because he doesn't want it to become personal BUT he is wrong when he believe people understand what Hussein got in stored for them, people can't judge on policies and they are just promises anyway, the life he live are true testaments to his character.
The other big flaw of McCain is his disability and tough character, it makes him less communicative and people just fall for Hussein speaking with his hands and smiling while telling them to fuck off.
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Haha... Now it's a "cult".
Only a Neo-Con would say a Baptist church is a "Cult", but Witch Hunting is a perfectly normal religious practice.
No, the cult is the followers of Obama who call him the messiah, the chosen one, the "One" we have been waiting for, and REFUSE to see the very plain truth aboutthis clowns' horrible associations and empty record.
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Sorry, I didn't see this correctly "Rev Wright simply reminds us that you can't just blindly "trust" that people will do the right thing... They don't."
While I agree with the statement you wrote, Rev Wright's way of reminding is negative and disruptive.
Perhaps, but everyone doesn't project their displeasure in the same way.
Look at McCain's recent meltdowns.
No, the cult is the followers of Obama who call him the messiah, the chosen one, the "One" we have been waiting for, and REFUSE to see the very plain truth aboutthis clowns' horrible associations and empty record.
Can you please show me who is calling this guy "The Messiah", or "The Chosen One"?
He's a politician... a man... Nothing more.
Sure he has some bad associations... So does McCain... Yes, his record is empty... I'll give you that, but a person's record can be good and bad... As McCain will probably attest to these days.
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Perhaps, but everyone doesn't project their displeasure in the same way.
Look at McCain's recent meltdowns.
Can you please show me who is calling this guy "The Messiah", or "The Chosen One"?
He's a politician... a man... Nothing more.
Sure he has some bad associations... So does McCain... Yes, his record is empty... I'll give you that, but a person's record can be good and bad... As McCain will probably attest to these days.
Here you go:
Farakhan calling Obama the messiah.
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Here you go:
Farakhan calling Obama the messiah.
HAHA... You think anyone gives a damn about Farrahkahn? Man... If that's your guy you're going to for "proof", you really have issues.
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HAHA... You think anyone gives a damn about Farrahkahn? Man... If that's your guy you're going to for "proof", you really have issues.
Wow, I thought he had some valid reports of throngs of people calling Obama Messiah/Chosen one.
Says more about this 3333 guy than anything else.
Sandra
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Perhaps, but everyone doesn't project their displeasure in the same way.
Look at McCain's recent meltdowns.
Can you please show me who is calling this guy "The Messiah", or "The Chosen One"?
He's a politician... a man... Nothing more.
Sure he has some bad associations... So does McCain... Yes, his record is empty... I'll give you that, but a person's record can be good and bad... As McCain will probably attest to these days.
Oh please! McCain associations are no where near as frightening as Obama's!
Let see what McCain was accused of being associated with....his fellow veterans and singing war songs with them...wow....pure devil!
Unlike mr "not god bless America, god DAMN America" and the other members of the marry bunch.
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Oh please! McCain associations are no where near as frightening as Obama's!
Let see what McCain was accused of being associated with....his fellow veterans and singing war songs with them...wow....pure devil!
Unlike mr "not god bless America, god DAMN America" and the other members of the marry bunch.
Haha... You too are funny... The McCain people who call Obama a Muslim and say he's a communist? Saying he associates with terrorists... All lies.
Those people aren't as bad as a guy who says "God Damn America"?
I guess with them, it's all right, cause it's all WHITE.
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Haha... You too are funny... The McCain people who call Obama a Muslim and say he's a communist? Saying he associates with terrorists... All lies.
Those people aren't as bad as a guy who says "God Damn America"?
I guess with them, it's all right, cause it's all WHITE.
WOW , until now I thought you were somewhat ok but now you expose yourself as a racist fuck.
Those people are people in rallies, we all saw the video of McCain defending Hussein on his rally when those people took the mic, what he can't do is run after every screamer in the crowd.
There are the same in the other camp, I'm sure plenty of "gangsters" that are dying to see the white man dethroned (you seem to fit that description) yell plenty of shit at Hussein rallies, do you want him to find each and every one?
Now regarding the allegations...he have CLOSE ties to a TERRORIST (Ayers), he have CLOSE ties to a COMMUNIST (Kenya), so I can see why the mob is afraid, I'm afraid of those connections too.
Now to bust all your theories of me, I don't like to give out personal info about me, I will just bust your myth, I'm not exactly white, I'm a part of a minority group, I'm got a very high level of academic education and more importantly I have seen plenty in my life. So all your theories about me being a part of the white power group...is unbelievably wrong.
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WOW , until now I thought you were somewhat ok but now you expose yourself as a racist fuck.
Those people are people in rallies, we all saw the video of McCain defending Hussein on his rally when those people took the mic, what he can't do is run after every screamer in the crowd.
There are the same in the other camp, I'm sure plenty of "gangsters" that are dying to see the white man dethroned (you seem to fit that description) yell plenty of shit at Hussein rallies, do you want him to find each and every one?
Now regarding the allegations...he have CLOSE ties to a TERRORIST (Ayers), he have CLOSE ties to a COMMUNIST (Kenya), so I can see why the mob is afraid, I'm afraid of those connections too.
Now to bust all your theories of me, I don't like to give out personal info about me, I will just bust your myth, I'm not exactly white, I'm a part of a minority group, I'm got a very high level of academic education and more importantly I have seen plenty in my life. So all your theories about me being a part of the white power group...is unbelievably wrong.
I'm sorry... did I say you were white?
Did I say anything about YOU?
I said THEM... Those guys... Are you THOSE guys?
Is your self guilt showing here?
I'm racist? How so?
Please do explain why I am a racist when my statement was "I guess with THEM, it's all right, cause it's all WHITE"
I'm dying to hear it.
PS. That's a Chris Rock quote.
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I'm sorry... did I say you were white?
Did I say anything about YOU?
I said THEM... Those guys... Are you THOSE guys?
Is your self guilt showing here?
I'm racist? How so?
Please do explain why I am a racist when my statement was "I guess with THEM, it's all right, cause it's all WHITE"
I'm dying to hear it.
PS. That's a Chris Rock quote.
;)
Although I'm a big fan of Chris Rock he admitted on several occasions to submit opinions based on race alone and his own version of affirmative action.
Trying to hide behind Chris Rock or just plain humor won't save you when you have stated similar opinions before.
BTW I was referring to me to block your obvious counter claim and start BSing by saying I'm part of the problem ::)
So lets just recap...the white man is the problem and Obama is the solution right?
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It was 2.
Has the US government specifically had moments in it's history where it has specifically targeted black people as inferior or held them back?
Has it done the same to white people?
Notice how I asked those in a couple of posts previous.
first of bro that was over a hundred years ago and does not have bearing on todays situation...my families ancestors where oppressed as well im sure if we all go back down our family trees we will all find our ancestors suffered from some form of discrimination or worse.
yes it has holmes it has but not just injustices to blacks but also to asians, mexicans, and other minorities as well and yes to whites as well but to a lesser extent.
Now answer my question why is it that other minorities seem to thrive in the same system that wright and others believe are set up for blacks to fail in or that is against minorities?
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first of bro that was over a hundred years ago and does not have bearing on todays situation...my families ancestors where oppressed as well im sure if we all go back down our family trees we will all find our ancestors suffered from some form of discrimination or worse.
yes it has holmes it has but not just injustices to blacks but also to asians, mexicans, and other minorities as well and yes to whites as well but to a lesser extent.
Now answer my question why is it that other minorities seem to thrive in the same system that wright and others believe are set up for blacks to fail in or that is against minorities?
I am not your "bro"
Go and speak with People of Color and learn about American History First Hand, then come back online and let me know about your "one on one Experience" with reality.
Sandra
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Although I'm a big fan of Chris Rock he admitted on several occasions to submit opinions based on race alone and his own version of affirmative action.
Trying to hide behind Chris Rock or just plain humor won't save you when you have stated similar opinions before.
BTW I was referring to me to block your obvious counter claim and start BSing by saying I'm part of the problem ::)
So lets just recap...the white man is the problem and Obama is the solution right?
Similar opinions on what? Race? Where? Please go find those posts... You won't, but thanks for playing.
I never said the white man was the problem... I said it has been a historical fact that white people in this country have committed great injustices to the black community.
You disagree?
first of bro that was over a hundred years ago and does not have bearing on todays situation...my families ancestors where oppressed as well im sure if we all go back down our family trees we will all find our ancestors suffered from some form of discrimination or worse.
yes it has holmes it has but not just injustices to blacks but also to asians, mexicans, and other minorities as well and yes to whites as well but to a lesser extent.
Now answer my question why is it that other minorities seem to thrive in the same system that wright and others believe are set up for blacks to fail in or that is against minorities?
I don't think the Tuskegee experiments ended 100 years ago, but that's just me nitpicking.
Other minorities thrive because they choose to get over it... No shocking secret there. They get up, move themselves forward and get over their trauma, then do whatever it takes to succeed.
I'm not sure exactly why you ask the question though... Do you think that I'm saying that the Black man is currently "oppressed"?
I'm not... I'm saying that they should REMEMBER that they were ONCE oppressed, but keep moving forward and work hard to succeed.
I'm saying forgive, but not forget...
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Similar opinions on what? Race? Where? Please go find those posts... You won't, but thanks for playing.
I never said the white man was the problem... I said it has been a historical fact that white people in this country have committed great injustices to the black community.
You disagree?
I don't think the Tuskegee experiments ended 100 years ago, but that's just me nitpicking.
Other minorities thrive because they choose to get over it... No shocking secret there. They get up, move themselves forward and get over their trauma, then do whatever it takes to succeed.
I'm not sure exactly why you ask the question though... Do you think that I'm saying that the Black man is currently "oppressed"?
I'm not... I'm saying that they should REMEMBER that they were ONCE oppressed, but keep moving forward and work hard to succeed.
I'm saying forgive, but not forget...
Black on black crime is far worse than any other type.
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Black on black crime is far worse than any other type.
I disagree... That's person on person crime.
How much White on White crime is there? Probably a lot, but no one really says anything about it.
If a white kid buys E from a white drug dealer, that's white on white crime... No one talks about it though.
I believe Government on Citizen crime is a much bigger problem than a black guy beating up another black guy.
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I disagree... That's person on person crime.
How much White on White crime is there? Probably a lot, but no one really says anything about it.
If a white kid buys E from a white drug dealer, that's white on white crime... No one talks about it though.
I believe Government on Citizen crime is a much bigger problem than a black guy beating up another black guy.
Only is your world of make believe.
Blacks murder other blacks at far higher rates than any other group.
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Only is your world of make believe.
Blacks murder other blacks at far higher rates than any other group.
Sure thing... That's why the biggest Meth area is in South West Virginia... Smyth county to be accurate.
There are no black people there.
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Sure thing... That's why the biggest Meth area is in South West Virginia... Smyth county to be accurate.
There are no black people there.
Please, what nonsense. Blacks have far more to fear from other blacks than any other group.
Even Jesse Jackson admitted that.
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Please, what nonsense. Blacks have far more to fear from other blacks than any other group.
Even Jesse Jackson admitted that.
So Jesse Jackson is now your talking point?
The guy who wants nothing more than to see the black community stay down?
You realize that if Obama does become President, that Jesse can no longer say that America is some evil entity oppressing minorities.
His power base will be completely undermined and he will be nothing.
He's not much now.
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I am not your "bro"
Go and speak with People of Color and learn about American History First Hand, then come back online and let me know about your "one on one Experience" with reality.
Sandra
i wasnt addressing you sandra I was talking to homles
Im Asian LOL dont talk to me like i have no idea what goes on in this world i see the discrimination all the time and its not just whites to minorities its minorities to whites and minorities to minorities as well.
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I don't think the Tuskegee experiments ended 100 years ago, but that's just me nitpicking.
Other minorities thrive because they choose to get over it... No shocking secret there. They get up, move themselves forward and get over their trauma, then do whatever it takes to succeed.
I'm not sure exactly why you ask the question though... Do you think that I'm saying that the Black man is currently "oppressed"?
I'm not... I'm saying that they should REMEMBER that they were ONCE oppressed, but keep moving forward and work hard to succeed.
I'm saying forgive, but not forget...
the reason i bring it up is b/c you seem to believe like wright that the government is out to get you.
I agree holmes forgive but you have to get over as you said...wright making outlandish ridiculous unfounded statements like the US government created aids to target the black community is irresponsible as well as ignorant and wrong. Anybody who believes this man is justified in his belief of this is the same, i understand that you should not trust government 100% shoot man i trust government about as far as i can throw them but that doesnt mean i go around with a case of diarrhea of the mouth and saying retarded shit. For a man like myself to do something like this wouldnt be as bad but for a man in his position to say some of the things he says while giving a sermon is just PLAIN WRONG.
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the reason i bring it up is b/c you seem to believe like wright that the government is out to get you.
I agree holmes forgive but you have to get over as you said...wright making outlandish ridiculous unfounded statements like the US government created aids to target the black community is irresponsible as well as ignorant and wrong. Anybody who believes this man is justified in his belief of this is the same, i understand that you should not trust government 100% shoot man i trust government about as far as i can throw them but that doesnt mean i go around with a case of diarrhea of the mouth and saying retarded shit. For a man like myself to do something like this wouldnt be as bad but for a man in his position to say some of the things he says while giving a sermon is just PLAIN WRONG.
Now add to all of that Obama standing in the crowd applauding him , he also thanked him on several rallies.
Someone who want to be the president of America applaud "god damn America" ::)
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For a man like myself to do something like this wouldnt be as bad but for a man in his position to say some of the things he says while giving a sermon is just PLAIN WRONG.
I guess I just don't agree that his position should exclude him from saying something like that.
He's a man, so if he wants to say it, it's his right and I don't see it as wrong at all.
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i wasnt addressing you sandra I was talking to homles
Im Asian LOL dont talk to me like i have no idea what goes on in this world i see the discrimination all the time and its not just whites to minorities its minorities to whites and minorities to minorities as well.
I think the movie "crash" best showed what this is all about.
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I guess I just don't agree that his position should exclude him from saying something like that.
He's a man, so if he wants to say it, it's his right and I don't see it as wrong at all.
i understand that but at the same time he is a public figure if mccain had come out and said i think the black community is trying to bleed the country dry on well fare would it have been ok? of course not even though it may be his opinion its not something that you say as a public figure.
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i understand that but at the same time he is a public figure if mccain had come out and said i think the black community is trying to bleed the country dry on well fare would it have been ok? of course not even though it may be his opinion its not something that you say as a public figure.
I guess it if was accurate that there were more black people on welfare than white people it would be ok...
I've not no problem with calling a duck a duck.
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Damm Right