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http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/16/joe-in-the-spotlight/?hp
Turns out that “Joe the Plumber,” as he became nationally known when Senator John McCain made him a theme at Wednesday night’s third and final presidential debate, may run a plumbing business but he is not a licensed plumber. His full name is Samuel J. Wurzelbacher. And he owes a bit in back taxes.
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An official at Local 50 of the plumber’s union, based in Toledo, said Mr. Wurzelbacher does not hold a license. He also has never served an apprenticeship and does not belong to the union.
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“All contractors are licensed, and he does not have a license, either as a contractor or a plumber,” the union official said, citing a search of government records. “I can’t find that he’s ever even applied for any kind of apprenticeship, and he has never belonged to local 189 in Columbus, which is what he claims on his Facebook page.”
According to public records, Mr. Wurzelbacher has been subject to two liens, each over $1,000, one of which — a personal tax lien — is still outstanding.
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Mr. Wurzelbacher is registered to vote in Lucas County under the name Samuel Joseph Worzelbacher.
“We have his named spelled W-O, instead of W-U,” Linda Howe, executive director of the Lucas County Board of Elections, said in a telephone interview. “Handwriting is sometimes hard to read. He has never corrected it in his registration card.”
The records, she said, showed he voted Republican in the March primary.
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Ahhhhh yes, I was purposly waiting for some jackass on here to bring this up and spin this. First let me clairify that I know contractor laws well.....at least here in California, saying that it doesn't differ that much from state to state exept Oklahoma where a contractors lic is not needed unless it's changed.
I also know how most construction Unions work. They think if you we're trained by a Union and have gone through their Apprentice programs, you must not know how to Plumb, roof, frame or whatever. Couldn't be further from the truth so the "he was never any apprentice" line is complete bullshit. As for the "he's not a licenced contractor" line, well that's bullshit as well. You don't have to be a licenced contractor if your an employee, as a matter of fact, you don't have to have license to own a contracting business, the only condition of that is you have to have a licenced person listed in the corporation or as part of the business. Also, at least in California, contractors lic law states that you CAN do work as any UNLICENSED contractor if the value of the job is $500 or less including materials. So if the law is similar in Ohio, this guy can lawfully have several jobs going at once and make a small fortune. You clown, I swear more liberal spin.
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One other thing, licensed or not it doen't change the fact that what "joe plumber" told Obamination was absolute truth and now the liberal press is going to dig up shit to ruin this guys life. What a pathetic bunch of SOB's.
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One other thing, licensed or not it doen't change the fact that what "joe plumber" told Obamination was absolute truth and now the liberal press is going to dig up shit to ruin this guys life. What a pathetic bunch of SOB's.
No it wasn't. He told Katie Couric that he actually does not earn anywhere near $250,000 but just wanted to ask a tough question and see if the candidate would dance around it.
Evidence (something you never provide): http://wcco.com/video/?id=48966@wcco.dayport.com It's about 2 1/2 minutes in.
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Of course he doesn't make $250g's he makes $30hr at best.
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http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/16/joe-in-the-spotlight/?hp
Another ignorant libertard chipes in. You dont need a license when you work under some one else's license.
Leave it up to a liberal fool who never worked a real dayt in his life to not know these things.
ZERO's little cult of fools grow worse by the day.
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No it wasn't. He told Katie Couric that he actually does not earn anywhere near $250,000 but just wanted to ask a tough question and see if the candidate would dance around it.
Evidence (something you never provide): http://wcco.com/video/?id=48966@wcco.dayport.com It's about 2 1/2 minutes in.
He made a great point and said that what happens when your messiah says that 150k is rich? Than what?
Your little bambi messiah is nothing other than a dictator wannabe who thinks what everyone else has belongs to him.
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Ahhhhh yes, I was purposly waiting for some jackass on here to bring this up and spin this. First let me clairify that I know contractor laws well.....at least here in California, saying that it doesn't differ that much from state to state exept Oklahoma where a contractors lic is not needed unless it's changed.
I also know how most construction Unions work. They think if you we're trained by a Union and have gone through their Apprentice programs, you must not know how to Plumb, roof, frame or whatever. Couldn't be further from the truth so the "he was never any apprentice" line is complete bullshit. As for the "he's not a licenced contractor" line, well that's bullshit as well. You don't have to be a licenced contractor if your an employee, as a matter of fact, you don't have to have license to own a contracting business, the only condition of that is you have to have a licenced person listed in the corporation or as part of the business. Also, at least in California, contractors lic law states that you CAN do work as any UNLICENSED contractor if the value of the job is $500 or less including materials. So if the law is similar in Ohio, this guy can lawfully have several jobs going at once and make a small fortune. You clown, I swear more liberal spin.
SORRY TO ONCE AGAIN KICK YOU IN THE FUCKING NUTS...
Once again you show a REPUBE pushes all this rhetoric but doesnt check the FACTS!!!
LET ME SHOW YOU THE FACTS TRAX PALIN FACE!!
Ohio
You must hold a state license do Electrical, HVAC, Refrigeration, Plumbing, or Hydronics work in Ohio. General construction contractors may need to be licensed at the local level. Check with the city or county for licensing information and requirements.
maglass.gif (1144 bytes)To find out if a tradesman holds a license in Ohio, click on http://www.com.state.oh.us/dic.
* Asbestos Abatement License and Certificates
* Department of Transportation (DOT)
* Out-of-State Corporations
To apply for a plumbing, electrical, HVAC, hydronics, or refrigeration license, you need at least five years of experience in the field. You also have to be a U.S. citizen and have never been convicted of a felony. For information, contact:
contact.GIF (447 bytes) Ohio Department of Commerce
Ohio Construction Industry Examining Board
6606 Tussing Road
P.O. Box 4009
Reynoldsburg, OH 43068-9009
(614) 644-3493
Fax: (614) 728-1200
http://www.com.state.oh.us/dic/dicocilb.htm
http://www.contractors-license.org/oh/Ohio.html
Company Licensee Lookup
For more information, please contact:
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Reynoldsburg, Ohio 43068-9009
Phone:(614) 644-3493
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Please enter the Company Name you would like to search on. To find an exact match click the 'Exact Match' check box.
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You care way too much.
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SORRY TO ONCE AGAIN KICK YOU IN THE FUCKING NUTS...
Once again you show a REPUBE pushes all this rhetoric but doesnt check the FACTS!!!
LET ME SHOW YOU THE FACTS TRAX PALIN FACE!!
Ohio
You must hold a state license do Electrical, HVAC, Refrigeration, Plumbing, or Hydronics work in Ohio. General construction contractors may need to be licensed at the local level. Check with the city or county for licensing information and requirements.
maglass.gif (1144 bytes)To find out if a tradesman holds a license in Ohio, click on http://www.com.state.oh.us/dic.
* Asbestos Abatement License and Certificates
* Department of Transportation (DOT)
* Out-of-State Corporations
To apply for a plumbing, electrical, HVAC, hydronics, or refrigeration license, you need at least five years of experience in the field. You also have to be a U.S. citizen and have never been convicted of a felony. For information, contact:
contact.GIF (447 bytes) Ohio Department of Commerce
Ohio Construction Industry Examining Board
6606 Tussing Road
P.O. Box 4009
Reynoldsburg, OH 43068-9009
(614) 644-3493
Fax: (614) 728-1200
http://www.com.state.oh.us/dic/dicocilb.htm
http://www.contractors-license.org/oh/Ohio.html
Company Licensee Lookup
For more information, please contact:
Ohio Construction Industry Licensing Board
6606 Tussing Road, P.O.Box 4009
Reynoldsburg, Ohio 43068-9009
Phone:(614) 644-3493
Fax:(614) 728-1200
Company Licensee Search Criteria
Please enter the Company Name you would like to search on. To find an exact match click the 'Exact Match' check box.
You can sort the results by click any combination of column headers. Note: The Address column is sorted by City.
Company Name: Exact Match
No Records Found.
Please Try Another Search.
You cult members show your ignorance with every post. A person can work under the supervision of another licensed plumber. So long as the owner of the company has the license, anyone who works for the company works under tha license.
I guess that is too much to ask a high school level moron like yourself to understand.
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He said hes a plummer and obamas plan is going to make him pay more since hes going to be in that over 250k bracket... No plummer on EARTH makes that inless he is the CONTRACTOR and OWNS the business.
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What the hell does it even matter? Point is, he made Hussein chock and show his face.
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Busted, you're the biggest fucking idiot I've ever met on this board. He works for someone, he's any EMPLOYEE not and employER, as an EMPLOYEE he doesn't need a license.GEEZ! And have a business?????????
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Busted, you're the biggest fucking idiot I've ever met on this board. He works for someone, he's any EMPLOYEE not and employER, as an EMPLOYEE he doesn't need a license.GEEZ! And have a business?????????
Most of the people on these forums supporting ZERO:
1. Are in high school or college
2. Never worked a day in their life
3. Never owned a business
4. Never managed a business
5. Never paid their own bills,
6. Never created a job;
7. Never were responable for accounts receivable
8. Never had to manage accounts payable or payroll
9. Never had a mortgage to pay
The lack of any economic or basic business understanding by the Obama followers is indicative of the above.
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He never said he made 2500000 he's referring when he buys the business and in business OWNER not EMPLOYEE. That little fact finding cut and paste just backs up what i said In my previous post.
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Busted, you're the biggest fucking idiot I've ever met on this board. He works for someone, he's any EMPLOYEE not and employER, as an EMPLOYEE he doesn't need a license.GEEZ! And have a business?????????
Then this is really just a mute publicity stunt on the part of McCain and the Republicans then isn't it?
Joe the plumber, doesn't even have a license, and would first have to get one before buying the business.
When you take into account he is unable to pay his current taxes, one would think the tax cut he stands to gain under an Obama presidency, might just be the ticket he needs to pay his bills and perhaps save up a little money to get himself licensed, ...and then perhaps buy the business. Much ado about nothing.
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Oh God help me!!
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Jag, I'm going to try and be nice and just tell you to go back and read my first two posts.
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JOE " the PLUMBER" RELATED to Charles KEATING
Joe “the Plumber” Wurzelbacher related to Charles Keating. Oops.
John McCain did great tonight in the debate. But every time John mentioned “Joe the Plumber,” some of us in the campaign banged our heads against the wall. If Steve Schmidt had any hair left, I hear he would have been pulling it out tonight. He reportedly screamed at John’s debate prep team tonight (out of earshot of reporters, of course). “You idiots - he’s related to Charles Keating… of the Keating Five scandal!” They thought they had a real live Joe Six-Pack who’s spurned Barack Obama’s tax plan. But what they forgot to do was check on Joe Wurzelbacher’s background.
Turns out that Joe Wurzelbacher from the Toledo event is a close relative of Robert Wurzelbacher of Milford, Ohio. Who’s Robert Wurzelbacher? Only Charles Keating’s son-in-law and the former senior vice president of American Continental, the parent company of the infamous Lincoln Savings and Loan. The now retired elder Wurzelbacher is also a major contributor to Republican causes giving well over $10,000 in the last few years.
Does any of this make Joe the Plumber a bad guy? Of course not. But on a night when McCain accused Obama of guilt-by-association, this isn’t going to look good for us. Hello, but on a night when John goes full bore on William Ayers and dodges a bullet by Obama not mentioning Keating Five, the press is going to bring it back front and center by midday tomorrow once they delve deeper into the most popular plumber in America.
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I've GOT to see the link to this spin
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I've GOT to see the link to this spin
i haven't followed the joe plumber story - someone emailed me that.
If it ends up being true, it'll look bad for mccain. The guy votes repub, doesn't have a license even tho ohio law requires it, and had a mccain sign in his yard, right?
at this point, nobody needs to spin anything. everyone knows who they're voting for.
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Then you shouldn'( have posted it. Now your just going to send busted into a liberal orgasim of spin thinking its true. Shitstirrer.
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You cult members show your ignorance with every post. A person can work under the supervision of another licensed plumber. So long as the owner of the company has the license, anyone who works for the company works under tha license.
I guess that is too much to ask a high school level moron like yourself to understand.
IL kick you in the nuts too you dumb ass... go look up FACTS...
Wurzelbacher said he worked under the license held by his boss, Al Newell of Newell Plumbing and Heating Co. of Toledo. Newell is a licensed plumbing contractor in Toledo, records show. But anyone working under Newell should have a journeyman’s plumbing license or an apprenticeship license according to Ohio State Law, officials said.
Your buddie Joe The Plummer is going to end up getting his Bosses Liscense YANKED.
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Oh God I can't this Ignornace anymore. Busted, you truly amaze me.
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Oh God I can't this Ignornace anymore. Busted, you truly amaze me.
See my post above where most of these posters come from as far as their economic education goes.
These truly are people consuming too many roids or doing cocaine. Their brains are mush.
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The burly, bald man acknowledged he doesn't have a plumber's license, but said he didn't need one because he works for someone else at a company that does residential work.
But Wurzelbacher still would need to be a licensed apprentice or journeyman to work in Toledo, and he's not, said David Golis, manager and residential building official for the Toledo Division of Building Inspection.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_re_us/joe_the_plumber
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He said hes a plummer and obamas plan is going to make him pay more since hes going to be in that over 250k bracket... No plummer on EARTH makes that inless he is the CONTRACTOR and OWNS the business.
Exactly. From that article, in the words of Our Lord and Saviour, Obama:
"He's trying to suggest that a plumber is the guy he's fighting for," Obama said. "How many plumbers you know that are making a quarter-million dollars a year?"
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Can't click on the link here but I' d' be willing to bet they're referring to a union worker that must be registered as any apprentice or journeyman to work on union jobsites or public works jobs. No place in the country would deny any qualified employee to work for a private licensed contractor. Even the Unions can't monopolize the private sector.
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i haven't followed the joe plumber story - someone emailed me that.
If it ends up being true, it'll look bad for mccain. The guy votes repub, doesn't have a license even tho ohio law requires it, and had a mccain sign in his yard, right?
at this point, nobody needs to spin anything. everyone knows who they're voting for.
LOL how does Obama answering a legitimate question is McCain fault...talk about a spin!
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Then this is really just a mute publicity stunt on the part of McCain and the Republicans then isn't it?
Joe the plumber, doesn't even have a license, and would first have to get one before buying the business.
When you take into account he is unable to pay his current taxes, one would think the tax cut he stands to gain under an Obama presidency, might just be the ticket he needs to pay his bills and perhaps save up a little money to get himself licensed, ...and then perhaps buy the business. Much ado about nothing.
Wow Jag,
When you speak logic the first response is to pray to God.
How did you get to be so Powerful!?!?!?
Sandra
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Then this is really just a mute publicity stunt on the part of McCain and the Republicans then isn't it?
Joe the plumber, doesn't even have a license, and would first have to get one before buying the business.
When you take into account he is unable to pay his current taxes, one would think the tax cut he stands to gain under an Obama presidency, might just be the ticket he needs to pay his bills and perhaps save up a little money to get himself licensed, ...and then perhaps buy the business. Much ado about nothing.
Ohhh...when you put it like that Hussein tax plan sounds good all of the sudden ::)
I was saying that the 250K is way too low! Not to mention my other disliking of massive taxing of people of make more but lets not get into that now.
The point is Hussein had a shitty answer to a legitimate question no matter what you will claim.
BTW buying a buisness isn't a 2 day thing, I'm sure that if that is needed than he can get it.
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Folks....one fucking plumber isn't going to decide this election
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When you take into account he is unable to pay his current taxes, one would think the tax cut he stands to gain under an Obama presidency, might just be the ticket he needs to pay his bills and perhaps save up a little money to get himself licensed, ...and then perhaps buy the business. Much ado about nothing.
This is what's so startling about these Kool-Aid drinkers. As, you point out, O's tax plan is actually beneficial to "Joe" and the majority of Americans. His brain is lodged so far up his butt that he's content to spew the party line, though. H
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Can't click on the link here but I' d' be willing to bet they're referring to a union worker that must be registered as any apprentice or journeyman to work on union jobsites or public works jobs. No place in the country would deny any qualified employee to work for a private licensed contractor. Even the Unions can't monopolize the private sector.
I'm not a blue collar dude, but that quote was not from a union rep, it was from an official at the Toledo Division of Building Inspection There were no qualifiers.
Besides, I'm less interested in his union status than his financial status. This guy's sort of a kook.
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Most of the people on these forums supporting ZERO:
1. Are in high school or college - over 30
2. Never worked a day in their life - 7 days a week for years
3. Never owned a business - no, not one - two
4. Never managed a business - as above
5. Never paid their own bills, - lol, be real
6. Never created a job; - no, not one, many
7. Never were responable for accounts receivable - true, paid someone I *created* the job for
8. Never had to manage accounts payable or payroll - as above
9. Never had a mortgage to pay - lol, I wish, wanna pay of mine for me?
The lack of any economic or basic business understanding by the Obama followers is indicative of the above.
And as far your last sentence, I assume you may have missed the reports/polls on levels of support differences between college graduates and high school dropouts etc and who they support.
And as far as Joe, I will scream if I hear his name on the news again as an aside, and I only had to snicker that a plumber is worried about making over $250,000 and falling into the higher tax bracket. No diss on the field, its good honest work, but since when did plumbers pull down $5,000 a week?
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And as far your last sentence, I assume you may have missed the reports/polls on levels of support differences between college graduates and high school dropouts etc and who they support.
And as far as Joe, I will scream if I hear his name on the news again as an aside, and I only had to snicker that a plumber is worried about making over $250,000 and falling into the higher tax bracket. No diss on the field, its good honest work, but since when did plumbers pull down $5,000 a week?
You had a nice run at the post until you made the fatal mistake of thinking through, if you are a true business man as you say you are than you should know that the BUSINESS (who knows how many employees are in that company?) can easily pull that YEARLY. He never said it was his paycheck, he specifically said he wanted to buy the business he worked for after saving up for years.
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you should know that the BUSINESS (who knows how many employees are in that company?) can easily pull that YEARLY.
Nope. He admitted in another interview that the company didn't fall into that tax bracket. Only about 2% of American businesses do fall into that tax bracket.
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No it wasn't. He told Katie Couric that he actually does not earn anywhere near $250,000 but just wanted to ask a tough question and see if the candidate would dance around it.
Evidence (something you never provide): http://wcco.com/video/?id=48966@wcco.dayport.com It's about 2 1/2 minutes in.
wait a second... I thought, according to the debate, that he changed his mind about buying a plumbing business when he found out about Obama's tax plan... So in reality, he would have only benefited under Obama's plan?
hahahaha... typical republican...
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You had a nice run at the post until you made the fatal mistake of thinking through, if you are a true business man as you say you are than you should know that the BUSINESS (who knows how many employees are in that company?) can easily pull that YEARLY. He never said it was his paycheck, he specifically said he wanted to buy the business he worked for after saving up for years.
hmmm saving for a business,
considering he owes a few gs to the irs in back taxes, what makes you think he has enuff money in the bank to buy his weekend sixpack let alone a business?
Maybe he figured he was gonna hit the lottery , so he should just make sure he votes for the rite tax plan?
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Ohhh...when you put it like that Hussein tax plan sounds good all of the sudden ::)
No, ...not all of a sudden, ...all along!
I was saying that the 250K is way too low! Not to mention my other disliking of massive taxing of people of make more but lets not get into that now.
The point is Hussein had a shitty answer to a legitimate question no matter what you will claim.
BTW buying a buisness isn't a 2 day thing, I'm sure that if that is needed than he can get it.
Maybe you should hear soon to be President Barack Obama's answer again, ...the one spoken to Joe directly.
unedited discussion between Barack Obama and Joe, the fake plumber (aka McCain schill, aka Keating relative)
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1a4_1224166209 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1a4_1224166209)
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No, ...not all of a sudden, ...all along!
Maybe you should hear soon to be President Barack Obama's answer again, ...the one spoken to Joe directly.
unedited discussion between Barack Obama and Joe, the fake plumber (aka McCain schill, aka Keating relative)
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1a4_1224166209 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1a4_1224166209)
Holy shit, he is trying to convince him that it's better (and more fair LMAO) that he will pay more to help those who don't work as hard.
You realize that this type of reverse discrimination and the intervention in that method is a DIRECT route to advanced Socialism.
To be honest, I think it's borderline unconstitutional to tax the same person doing the same job differently just because he did some improvements in his company and worked harder. Not to mention unfair to say the least.
I'm sure that you,Joe or anyone else doesn't want to pay for all the deadbeats and the illegal aliens and whatever ....especially not since you work harder for it.
I can't believe people think it's more "fair" it's downright discrimination.
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Another ignorant libertard chipes in. You dont need a license when you work under some one else's license.
Leave it up to a liberal fool who never worked a real dayt in his life to not know these things.
ZERO's little cult of fools grow worse by the day.
REALLY. Real Liberials dont work. Is that what you're saying chief
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REALLY. Real Liberials dont work. Is that what you're saying chief
Most liberals who spout the garbage on the getbig boards never worked in hard jobs and physical labor jobs like plumbing and have no idea about these licesne issues and how things work.
In my experience, liberals are usually people who are well off due to family money, lazy bums looking for handout, physically weak people afraid of their own shadow, people who major in arts in college and then complain they cant get a job, or some combination of the above.
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Most liberals who spout the garbage on the getbig boards never worked in hard jobs and physical labor jobs like plumbing and have no idea about these licesne issues and how things work.
In my experience, liberals are usually people who are well off due to family money, lazy bums looking for handout, physically weak people afraid of their own shadow, people who major in arts in college and then complain they cant get a job, or some combination of the above.
That's sort of a sweeping unsupported anecdotal observation, isn't it?
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Most liberals who spout the garbage on the getbig boards never worked in hard jobs and physical labor jobs like plumbing and have no idea about these licesne issues and how things work.
In my experience, liberals are usually people who are well off due to family money, lazy bums looking for handout, physically weak people afraid of their own shadow, people who major in arts in college and then complain they cant get a job, or some combination of the above.
Oh ok. Well your experience is limited..I'll just say that. Wont call you wrong. But in my experience, what you just described were con repubs...My father is a lifetime dem liberal. Worked in automotives most of his life with a 9th grade education. By sheer circumstances of a lack of education he worked manual labor jobs his whole life until the early 90s when he was offered a office position with Unocal 76...As for pretty much all of the people in my neighborhood. They work on the railroad, cars, warehouse. etc.
I think lack of exposure is the number 1 problem in America. Gives us a very one sided and skewed vision of things. We think we know it all about another group because we take what we are fed by elders (who were unexposed also),"news" stations etc. Im 26 but I have lived a hell of a life until now. Comming from South Central Los Angeles to Buckhead Atlanta Ga, and a lot of spots inbetween. I have learned people in that time span and debunked a billion preconceptions i had of people...
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Oh ok. Well your experience is limited..I'll just say that. Wont call you wrong. But in my experience, what you just described were con repubs...My father is a lifetime dem liberal. Worked in automotives most of his life with a 9th grade education. By sheer circumstances of a lack of education he worked manual labor jobs his whole life until the early 90s when he was offered a office position with Unocal 76...As for pretty much all of the people in my neighborhood. They work on the railroad, cars, warehouse. etc.
I think lack of exposure is the number 1 problem in America. Gives us a very one sided and skewed vision of things. We think we know it all about another group because we take what we are fed by elders (who were unexposed also),"news" stations etc. Im 26 but I have lived a hell of a life until now. Comming from South Central Los Angeles to Buckhead Atlanta Ga, and a lot of spots inbetween. I have learned people in that time span and debunked a billion preconceptions i had of people...
Well, I live in the Bronx, NY so I think I have had plenty of experience dealing with all sorts of people at all areas of life to have come to my conclusions.
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Well, I live in the Bronx, NY so I think I have had plenty of experience dealing with all sorts of people at all areas of life to have come to my conclusions.
Extremely hard to beleive that..Libs dont work. Repubs work the tough labor jobs. Thats your experience??
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Extremely hard to beleive that..Libs dont work. Repubs work the tough labor jobs. Thats your experience??
Do you want my address????? I have lived here all my life have the Nu Yawk accent and everything.
I most liberal people I know live in Scarsdale, Mamaroneck, Larchmont, Bronxville, the South Bronx, Mt Vernon.
In my area, the middle class people in NE Bronx, most of Yonkers, and the river towns along the hudson vote for republicans.
You can choose to believe me or not, thats fine, I have lived here my whole life and dealt with the richest .000000001% of the population and the poorest of poor.
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NYC is hardly a good example of the rest of the USA.
Isn't NYC like a different state with in a state to New York State? I mean if it wasn't for NYC all your census info would be completely different.
I think there are many lazy people everywhere who want something for nothing. and because social programs thrive under democratic leadership they attract lazy people who probably couldn't pass a 1st grade political test much less definitively describe their chosen ideology. It doesn't mean liberals are lazy.......lol that's brainwashing at work.
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Do you want my address????? I have lived here all my life have the Nu Yawk accent and everything.
I most liberal people I know live in Scarsdale, Mamaroneck, Larchmont, Bronxville, the South Bronx, Mt Vernon.
In my area, the middle class people in NE Bronx, most of Yonkers, and the river towns along the hudson vote for republicans.
You can choose to believe me or not, thats fine, I have lived here my whole life and dealt with the richest .000000001% of the population and the poorest of poor.
Tame that dog chief...no one is saying you arent from new york. But Im puerto rican and the father im talkin about..yeah he is from BX...all of my friends are from BX The ville (brownsville) and the bush (flatbush).work manual jobs..
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NYC is hardly a good example of the rest of the USA.
Isn't NYC like a different state with in a state to New York State? I mean if it wasn't for NYC all your census info would be completely different.
I think there are many lazy people everywhere who want something for nothing. and because social programs thrive under democratic leadership they attract lazy people who probably couldn't pass a 1st grade political test much less definitively describe their chosen ideology. It doesn't mean liberals are lazy.......lol that's brainwashing at work.
Lol? Unbelievable. How is NYC not a good example of the rest of the USA? It has pretty much every single type of person living in it. Ridiculously wealthy people, incredibly poor people, a lot of middle class people, blacks, whites, asians, arabs, every religion you can think of. How the hell is that not a good example? It doesn't get any better than that.
As for Obama's answer, I do find it hilariously retarded that he's trying to justify taking the money of people who happen to earn more (a lot of whom got to that point by flat out busting their ass for years) and giving it to people who would rather sit around drinking olde english and working at wal-mart.
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How is NYC not a good example of the rest of the USA? It has pretty much every single type of person living in it. Ridiculously wealthy people, incredibly poor people, a lot of middle class people, blacks, whites, asians, arabs, every religion you can think of.
hahahhahahahahahahaha PRICELESS QUOTE, PRICELESS FUCKING QUOTE!!!!!!!!!!!! hello dumbass lollololololol
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Lol? Unbelievable. How is NYC not a good example of the rest of the USA? It has pretty much every single type of person living in it. Ridiculously wealthy people, incredibly poor people, a lot of middle class people, blacks, whites, asians, arabs, every religion you can think of. How the hell is that not a good example? It doesn't get any better than that.
Ever been to NYC?
It's different. Very different from Topeka, Kansas which is different from BeBetown Iowa which is different from Modesto, California, Flagstaff, Arizona, people on military bases, Billings, montana etc... Of course NYC is very racially diverse. But to think quasi-liberals (liberals only because supporting democrats increase their hand outs) are indicative of real liberals who work hard, and are in professional occupations shows complete ignorance.
As for Obama's answer, I do find it hilariously retarded that he's trying to justify taking the money of people who happen to earn more (a lot of whom got to that point by flat out busting their ass for years) and giving it to people who would rather sit around drinking olde english and working at wal-mart.
Have you looked a the budget deficit lately? TAXES NEED TO INCREASE. And thinking Obama is only going to give it to the free loaders just shows more of your ideological imprisonment. Comrade BUSH just moved us closer to communism. McCain, Obama, are probably going to do more of the same.
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Ever been to NYC?
It's different. Very different from Topeka, Kansas which is different from BeBetown Iowa which is different from Modesto, California, Flagstaff, Arizona, people on military bases, Billings, montana etc... Of course NYC is very racially diverse. But to think quasi-liberals (liberals only because supporting democrats increase their hand outs) are indicative of real liberals who work hard, and are in professional occupations shows complete ignorance.
Have you looked a the budget deficit lately? TAXES NEED TO INCREASE. And thinking Obama is only going to give it to the free loaders just shows more of your ideological imprisonment. Comrade BUSH just moved us closer to communism. McCain, Obama, are probably going to do more of the same.
NYC is less than an hour drive from where I live. Your point holds no water. Are you trying to tell me that bumfucksville Kansas is a good example of the USA? If NYC isn't, then what is? Some shit hole in South Dakota? Missouri? Alaska? NYC has pretty much every demographic in this country. I'd say it's one of the better places to draw an example from. Much better than some shit hole with a population of 15k.
And I understand that taxes need to increase. Pretty simple. Why make the rich shoulder the load. Our society shouldn't punish people for being more successful.
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NYC is less than an hour drive from where I live. Your point holds no water. Are you trying to tell me that bumfucksville Kansas is a good example of the USA? If NYC isn't, then what is? Some shit hole in South Dakota? Missouri? Alaska? NYC has pretty much every demographic in this country. I'd say it's one of the better places to draw an example from. Much better than some shit hole with a population of 15k.
And I understand that taxes need to increase. Pretty simple. Why make the rich shoulder the load. Our society shouldn't punish people for being more successful.
I'd say the USA is a diverse place. Saying any one area is a good example would difficult to determine. That's why NYC isn't other than the obvious reasons.
Do you make 250K+ per year BF? I don't so I don't care about it. And if i did, I'd whine about it, but pay it. And i certainly wouldn't stop making it. what concerns me is the CGT as it relates to transactions.
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I'd say the USA is a diverse place. Saying any one area is a good example would difficult to determine. That's why NYC isn't other than the obvious reasons.
Do you make 250K+ per year BF? I don't so I don't care about it. And if i did, I'd whine about it, but pay it. And i certainly wouldn't stop making it. what concerns me is the CGT as it relates to transactions.
I answered your second point in the other thread. I don't get pregnant (abortions a non-issue for me), but it affects a lot of people, men and women alike. Same goes for a lot of other issues in this campaign. Doesn't make them any less valid when a question regarding one comes from an unlikely person.
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I answered your second point in the other thread. I don't get pregnant (abortions a non-issue for me), but it affects a lot of people, men and women alike. Same goes for a lot of other issues in this campaign. Doesn't make them any less valid when a question regarding one comes from an unlikely person.
I'm in no way saying we shouldn't be asking the question or talking about the issue. I like talking and reading about this. It's just that joe the plumber is not relevant.
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Tame that dog chief...no one is saying you arent from new york. But Im puerto rican and the father im talkin about..yeah he is from BX...all of my friends are from BX The ville (brownsville) and the bush (flatbush).work manual jobs..
Any hard working person who works a manual labor job has to be crazy to be a liberal person.
As Winston Churchill said - "if you are not liberal when you are 20 you have no heart, but if you are not consverative by 40 you have no brain."
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I'm in no way saying we shouldn't be asking the question or talking about the issue. I like talking and reading about this. It's just that joe the plumber is not relevant.
LOL. Joe the Plumber not being relevant is exactly what I'm saying. People focusing on where this guy came from or who he is are doing nothing to answer the question. There are three threads in the top 10 about this guy alone on here. Who honestly gives a fuck about where he came from? It's funny. They're trying to "own" him yet both Obama and McCain have been bringing the guy up, so they're only attacking each candidate.
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LOL. Joe the Plumber not being relevant is exactly what I'm saying. People focusing on where this guy came from or who he is are doing nothing to answer the question. There are three threads in the top 10 about this guy alone on here. Who honestly gives a fuck about where he came from? It's funny. They're trying to "own" him yet both Obama and McCain have been bringing the guy up, so they're only attacking each candidate.
yeah i see your point with that.
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yeah i see your point with that.
Typical liberal high school remarks about Joe the Plumber.
The issue is that Obama answered the question in typical socialistic fashion. The issue is that Obama was truthful about wanting to raise taxes on people.
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Typical liberal high school remarks about Joe the Plumber.
The issue is that Obama answered the question in typical socialistic fashion. The issue is that Obama was truthful about wanting to raise taxes on people.
Typical "I'm no longer a Bush supporter"
Joe the Plumber is irrelavant.
Do you make over 250K per year?
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Tame that dog chief...no one is saying you arent from new york. But Im puerto rican and the father im talkin about..yeah he is from BX...all of my friends are from BX The ville (brownsville) and the bush (flatbush).work manual jobs..
Brownsville and Flatbush are in Bklyn.
My hometown
Sandra
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Typical "I'm no longer a Bush supporter"
Joe the Plumber is irrelavant.
Do you make over 250K per year?
Last year I made a bit less than 250k but, that is not far off in a few years. I already pay tons of taxes being self employed and living in the highest cost area in the country 250k is not rich at all.
Just so you know,
1. Real Estate Tax.
2. income Tax
3. NYC Surcharge Tax
4. NYS Tax
5. Energy Tax
6. Sales Tax
7. SS Tax
After all is said an done, there is not that much left over to make me feel like I am wealthy living in the NYC area.
Obama's plan is a complete disaster to anybody living in areas like NYC, LA, MIA, etc who are trying to get ahead.
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Last year I made a bit less than 250k but, that is not far off in a few years. I already pay tons of taxes being self employed and living in the highest cost area in the country 250k is not rich at all.
Just so you know,
1. Real Estate Tax.
2. income Tax
3. NYC Surcharge Tax
4. NYS Tax
5. Energy Tax
6. Sales Tax
7. SS Tax
After all is said an done, there is not that much left over to make me feel like I am wealthy living in the NYC area.
Obama's plan is a complete disaster to anybody living in areas like NYC, LA, MIA, etc who are trying to get ahead.
NY State has one screwed tax system for you guys. I have some friends there who make in excess of 250k in Buffalo. They've told me about it.
I think if Obama gets elected and enacts his policies, there will be quite a few people making 249K
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NY State has one screwed tax system for you guys. I have some friends there who make in excess of 250k in Buffalo. They've told me about it.
I think if Obama gets elected and enacts his policies, there will be quite a few people making 249K
As self employed I have to pay 15% tax for SS.
Real Estate taxes are crazy here and we get hosed with some of the highest energy taxes in the country as well.
Trust me, in NYC 250k per year is not rich at all. Its upper middle class.