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Good commentary.
Friday, October 10, 2008
Can McCain Still Win?
by Patrick J. Buchanan
Two weeks after the Republican convention in St. Paul, Minn., John McCain and Sarah Palin were striding forward toward victory.
They had erased the eight-point lead Barack Obama had opened up in Denver and watched as one blue state after another moved into the toss-up category.
That is ancient history now.
Since mid-September, the stock market has cratered, losing half of the $8 trillion that has vanished since October 2007. All five of America's great investment banks -- Bear Sterns, Lehman Brothers, Merrill-Lynch, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley -- have either ceased to be independent or ceased to be.
The nation's largest savings and loan, Washington Mutual, and largest insurance company, AIG, have gone belly up, with the federal bailout of the latter costing $100 billion and counting. Perhaps $3 trillion of the $8 trillion in stock value that is gone disappeared after passage of the $700 billion federal bailout of Wall Street.
No bottom is in sight to the worst market crash since 1929. Recession is now certain. George W. Bush has fallen to 26 percent approval, a level unseen since Richard Nixon was driven from office in the Watergate summer of '74. Four in five think the nation is on the wrong course.
Yet, Obama has only a six-point lead in an averaging of national polls. While he has moved ahead in Ohio, Florida, North Carolina and Virginia, one senses America is not so much rallying to him as running away from a Republican brand that is now on the same shelf with Chinese baby formula.
Obama still has not closed the sale. He has overtaken McCain not because of any brilliant campaign he has conducted but because of the dreadful news pouring out of Wall Street. McCain and Palin are being dragged down by Dow Jones, not Barack Obama.
As of today, the country is not so much voting for Barack and the Democrats as it is preparing to vote against the Republicans.
Consider: The Congress, whose Democratic ranks the nation is getting ready to enlarge -- the Congress led by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid -- has an approval rating half that of Bush.
Indeed, looking back on the Year of Barack, 2008, it is clear he has never closed the sale, either with the people or his own party.
After he came off the blocks with a startling triumph in Iowa and ran up a dozen straight primary and caucus victories in February, arrived the spring when Hillary, though Obama's media auxiliary was ordering her to get out, defeated him in Texas, crushed him in Ohio and Pennsylvania, and humiliated him in West Virginia and Kentucky.
Each time the voters take a long second look at Barack, their positive first impressions seem to dissipate. Barack is a weak closer.
Herein lies McCain's hope. The country wants change, but it has not concluded it wants Obama. But if John McCain cannot raise grave doubts about his agenda, his associates, his record, his character, his fitness to be president, Obama is going to win by default.
Obama has succeeded in the debates by playing defense. By his cool demeanor and persona, he has diminished apprehensions about an Obama presidency. There is no evidence of surging enthusiasm.
The Obama media are well aware of Obama's Achilles' heel, his great vulnerability, the doubts about him that still exist in the public mind. That is why they are near hysterical about Palin's ripping of Obama for "palling around" with "domestic terrorists" like William Ayres, the 1960s and 1970s Weatherman radical who conspired to bomb the Capitol and Pentagon and was quoted the morning of 9-11 as saying he wished he had set off more bombs.
The mainstream media call this irrelevant, as it was so long ago.
Yet, can one imagine how the media would have reacted had they learned that a GOP presidential nominee was introduced to politics and worked in harness with a KKK bomber of black churches in the 1960s, who was quoted the morning of Oklahoma City as saying he wished he had planted more bombs?
As McCain is an establishment man on illegal aliens, NAFTA and Wall Street bailouts, uneasy with social issues like affirmative action and abortion, he lacks the full panoply of weapons that successful Republicans like Nixon, Ronald Reagan and Bush II used to win two terms. He seems to confine himself to the limited arsenal Gerald Ford, Bush 1 and Bob Dole employed when they went down to defeat.
This election is not over. Yet, even if McCain gets a bit of luck, a dead cat bounce on Wall Street, he must persuade the nation Obama is an unacceptable occupant of the White House if he is to win.
Palin appears ready to take the heat to make that case. But McCain seems ambivalent to the point of being bipolar on whether he wants to take responsibility for peeling the hide off Barack Obama.
Perhaps it comes down to what McCain really thinks about an Obama presidency, and how he wants to be remembered by history.
http://townhall.com/columnists/PatrickJBuchanan/2008/10/10/can_mccain_still_win?page=full&comments=true
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Do you ever post original thoughts? Or do you just post other people's thoughts and then viciously try to defend them as if they were your own?
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Do you ever post original thoughts? Or do you just post other people's thoughts and then viciously try to defend them as if they were your own?
I usually post cartoons, but I haven't been able to find any good ones lately. Do you have any?
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I usually post cartoons, but I haven't been able to find any good ones lately. Do you have any?
There are plenty of racist or xenophobic Obama cartoons out there. I'm sure that the 5 people who actually read the articles that paste post would enjoy them.
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Aside from abortion, race and a hundred years in age.. there's very little difference between them.
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There are plenty of racist or xenophobic Obama cartoons out there. I'm sure that the 5 people who actually read the articles that paste post would enjoy them.
Just what we need another Lib moonbat.
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McCain is very close on Hussein trails, apparently many surveys relaid on vote registrations...which now a boatload got disqualified because of Acorn BS getting out.
Also since Democrats are so lazy in the mere hint of winning they will find a reason to stay at home thinking it's in the bag :D
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you guys support sarah palin.
really nothing else needs to be said.
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There are plenty of racist or xenophobic Obama cartoons out there. I'm sure that the 5 people who actually read the articles that paste post would enjoy them.
lol. And yet here you are. :) The trick is to ignore posts you don't find interesting. Or you can just a be troll like you've been in this thread. Your choice.
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Just what we need another Lib moonbat.
What I can say? The board is a liberal magnet.
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you guys support sarah palin.
really nothing else needs to be said.
She's on the ticket.. ....what I'm going to vote for a socialist or a Lib? Give me a break..its between a poor choice and no choice at all.
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lol. And yet here you are. :) The trick is to ignore posts you don't find interesting. Or you can just a be troll like you've been in this thread. Your choice.
To point out that posting tons of articles from different people daily does not improve discourse. My question is if you have any original thoughts. I guess that you do not.
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Unless ur a gimmick from another Lib idiot on this board, I'd let u in on a little secret...this is a politics board on a Bodybuilding site. Nobody here is a published politico..so articles from various sites spur conversation. I hope this helps.
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To point out that posting tons of articles from different people daily does not improve discourse. My question is if you have any original thoughts. I guess that you do not.
Try reading the forum and figuring it out for yourself.
And when that task is completed, your next question should be: "do you care about my opinion"?
I'll answer that one. :)
Also, as I said, if there is a topic posted that you do not like, simply ignore it.
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Unless ur a gimmick from another Lib idiot on this board, I'd let u in on a little secret...this is a politics board on a Bodybuilding site. Nobody here is a published politico..so articles from various sites spur conversation. I hope this helps.
Noooo. Not the facts again . . . :)
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The only discussion spurred in this thread is due to my post.
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To point out that posting tons of articles from different people daily does not improve discourse. My question is if you have any original thoughts. I guess that you do not.
I do but i'm for Mc Caine so you don't want to hear from me lol. Are you really going to press the botton
for that one??
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he might if they successfully steal the election... In Colorado they are saying 1/5 democratic and Indy voters are "some how not on the list"...
Its happening in Florida as well...
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Yes, we know. If McCain wins the election it will be because of some Republican conspiracy, for the third election in a row. ::)
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If McCain wins it will be because of fears of a black president or rumors about Obama's past or religion. With the way that things are right now, a democratic getting the white house was a shoe-in, but with Obama's race being a huge issue, it might not happen.
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I'm sure race will play a factor, but there are millions who will vote against the guy who wants to "spread the wealth around," raise taxes, socialize healthcare, is about as extreme as you can get on abortion, doesn't want a far leftwing liberal putting one and possibly two people on the supreme court, etc., etc. There are plenty of policy reasons to oppose Obama.
Then there is our history, which shows the country has no problem voting for Republican candidates, like Reagan (twice), Bush Sr., and W (twice). Not a good history for Democrat candidates.
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Well...we used to be a tough no nonsense nation...we're quickly becoming like the pussies in Europe. Case in point. German SOF has spent 3-4 years in Afghanistan and conducted zero offensive ops...zero...so the US and NATO have asked them to leave.
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I'm sure race will play a factor, but there are millions who will vote against the guy who wants to "spread the wealth around," raise taxes, socialize healthcare, is about as extreme as you can get on abortion, doesn't want a far leftwing liberal putting one and possibly two people on the supreme court, etc., etc. There are plenty of policy reasons to oppose Obama.
Then there is our history, which shows the country has no problem voting for Republican candidates, like Reagan (twice), Bush Sr., and W (twice). Not a good history for Democrat candidates.
MOST politicians want to "spread the wealth". That is what gets them elected. Only Obama wants to do it in rational ways.
Republicans and Democrats alike support farm subsidies which give billions to farmers. Both parties support bills which give insurance and drug companies tons of money.
BTW, Your history only goes back 25 years? Not surprising.
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Ok....Nixon...Ike.....wh atever. Rational...yeah guess what I've earned every dollar I've made and nobody else deserves to get any of it. I pay my taxes, I do my part, thats it. I get shit all out of Obama's so-called tax cut. And thats from his web site calculator.
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MOST politicians want to "spread the wealth". That is what gets them elected. Only Obama wants to do it in rational ways.
Republicans and Democrats alike support farm subsidies which give billions to farmers. Both parties support bills which give insurance and drug companies tons of money.
BTW, Your history only goes back 25 years? Not surprising.
Well I could talk about how people voted for Abraham Lincoln, but those people are all dead. ::) If you don't see a trend then you don't know your (recent) history.
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Ok....Nixon...Ike.....whatever. Rational...yeah guess what I've earned every dollar I've made and nobody else deserves to get any of it. I pay my taxes, I do my part, thats it. I get shit all out of Obama's so-called tax cut. And thats from his web site calculator.
You must be pretty fucking rich then...
Either that or you're too stupid to even operate the calculator...
Most likely the latter.
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Nope.....the thing said I got nothing, what do u want from me, he's ur guy. U have to make like 50 grand to see a benefit. I'm not one of those getbiggers that over inflates his net worth, lifts, car, watch, whatever...but I get nothing from Obama according to his web site.
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Nope.....the thing said I got nothing, what do u want from me, he's ur guy. U have to make like 50 grand to see a benefit. I'm not one of those getbiggers that over inflates his net worth, lifts, car, watch, whatever...but I get nothing from Obama according to his web site.
I figured...too stupid to operate the calculator.
::)
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Yeah..thats it. I'm sorry u'd like to take my money, but u just can't have it Lib..get a second job. ::)
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Yeah..thats it. I'm sorry u'd like to take my money, but u just can't have it Lib..get a second job. ::)
no one will need to take your money all it will be is green toilet paper if we keep travailing down the bush/mcsame road
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Oh no dude...everybody is to blame for this mess.
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Yeah..thats it. I'm sorry u'd like to take my money, but u just can't have it Lib..get a second job. ::)
So raising peoples taxes that make over 250k by 3% is taking your money??? We are now 10, trillion in debt... do you think it is going to pay for itself? The past 8 years the rich fuckers have paid less taxes than avg Joe Plumbers.
Example.
Warren Buffett paid 17% taxes on his 50 Million he made in personal Income.
His Secretary paid 33% of her 60k income.
Seem fair?
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Logic and Facts > Republican excuses and spin.