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Guns won`t save a tanking economy.
Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws
Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an individual's right to bear arms?
A: As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it.
Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns?
A: I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of illegal guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that criminals don't have guns in their hands. We can make certain that those who are mentally deranged are not getting a hold of handguns. We can trace guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers that may be selling to straw purchasers and dumping them on the streets.
Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate, on eve of PA primary Apr 16, 2008
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the NWO can not implement martial law in america effectively untill guns are made illegal.
its only a matter of time before it is done.
that will be the beginning of the end.
also why have america built concentration camps all over america ? hmmmm it all makes sense now.
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm
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Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok
Q: You said recently, "I have no intention of taking away folks' guns." But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you've said that it's constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?A: Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it's important for us to recognize that we've got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people's traditions.
Source: 2008 Politico pre-Potomac Primary interview Feb 11, 2008
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Him and Biden two assholes when it comes to the 2A
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Him and Biden two assholes when it comes to the 2A
They follow the Constitution strictly.
I can`t name a single President that has not. Besides, its a Supreme Court decision that would take a Constitutional ammendment to ban guns. That is not going to happen.
Its a joke of an issue. Its not even an issue.
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i thought the police was there to protect peoples family's.
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Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing
Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and registering gun owners. Would you do that as president?
A: I don't think that we can get that done. But what we can do is to provide just some common-sense enforcement. The efforts by law enforcement to obtain the information required to trace back guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers. As president, I intend to make it happen. We essentially have two realities, when it comes to guns, in this country. You've got the tradition of lawful gun ownership. It is very important for many Americans to be able to hunt, fish, take their kids out, teach them how to shoot. Then you've got the reality of 34 Chicago public school students who get shot down on the streets of Chicago. We can reconcile those two realities by making sure the Second Amendment is respected and that people are able to lawfully own guns, but that we also start cracking down on the kinds of abuses of firearms that we see on the streets.
Source: 2008 Democratic debate in Las Vegas Jan 15, 2008
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They follow the Constitution strictly.
I can`t name a single President that has not. Besides, its a Supreme Court decision that would take a Constitutional ammendment to ban guns. That is not going to happen.
Its a joke of an issue. Its not even an issue.
bush - he has effectively changed parts of the constitution to allow him to do whatever he likes
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bush - he has effectively changed parts of the constitution to allow him to do whatever he likes
I was referring to Guns.....
No he hasn`t. He didn`t change or ammend anything.
What he did do is expand the Executive power through the usage of Implied Power.
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patriot act.
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I was referring to Guns.....
No he hasn`t. He didn`t change or ammend anything.
What he did do is expand the Executive power through the usage of Implied Power.
which means he can effectively ignore the constitution and do whatever he likes - something that the constitution was created to avoid.
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which means he can effectively ignore the constitution and do whatever he likes - something that the constitution was created to avoid.
Wrong. He has not violated the Constitution yet. I am no fan of Bush, but he has not violated the Constitution and has operated within his legal means.
Signing statements have been used by just about every president.
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what about the patriot act.
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patriot act.
The Patriot Act was voted on and approved by Congress and parts of it fall under WarTime Powers Act.
Although abhorrent, it is totally legal and within the legal bounds.
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The Alien and Sedition acts were awful as well. Totally Constitutional though.
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Guns won`t save a tanking economy.
And either will Obama, but that gun sure could come in handy if things go from bad to worse. I will say this, if Obama gets elected, he will be too busy with things like the economy and Iraq to be focused on taking people's guns away, but that don't mean I want him in office either!
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Also, Lincoln had probably the most Brilliant idea to justify expanding Executive Power.
The Inaugural Oath of Office.
An Oath Sworn to protect and defend the Union should it be threatened. Using this oath as legal grounds to expand any power when the Union is threatened is justifiably legal and Constitutional.
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We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets.
Which only shows he's talking out both sides of his mouth and is either ignoring the facts, or has not looked. DC never got illegal guns off the streets, as no gun ban ever does. Crime went up after the ban was put in place, and crime has gone down in EVERY community in which Right To Carry laws were passed. Ergo, you don't support a ban that has only the effect of increasing crime and or not lowering it, and is Unconstitutional as SCOTUS concluded. If you actually know the facts, you also know Obama is talking out both sides of his mouth at best, and out his ass at worst, when it comes to guns/2A issues.
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Throughout his presidency, Lincoln places great importance on the Constitution as the instrument of our success. He always strives to insure that all his actions as president are within the bounds specified for the president and the federal government by the Constitution. In his Fourth of July Message to Congress in 1861, he painstakingly justifies himself in suspending habeas corpus by noting that such power is given is case of "invasion or rebellion."
Even though the power is given in Article I, the article dealing with the legislative branch, he reasons that since it may be used in time of invasion or rebellion, it was not intended that it should lay idle, waiting for Congress, while the invasion or rebellion succeeds. If it were, there would be no reason to have the power, for it would be useless. He uses his power as commander-in-chief to legitimize his raising of 75,000 troops to quell the insurrection.
His oath of office becomes his justification for his attempts to suppress the rebellion on more than one occasion. He tells the nation is his First Inaugural Address that he "shall have the most solemn (oath, registered in Heaven), to preserve, protect and defend" the Constitution. 30 The Emancipation Proclamation is based purely in the powers given to the President as commander-in-chief, hence its limited nature. Finally, he realized the importance of the constitutional forms. If the election of 1864 had been postponed, it could have been taken as a sign that the President has unlimited powers in times of crisis, and that ours is a government that cannot function normally in such times.
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Wrong. He has not violated the Constitution yet. I am no fan of Bush, but he has not violated the Constitution and has operated within his legal means.
Signing statements have been used by just about every president.
so as long as he creates another amendment or law to bypass the constitution its ok in your eyes ::)
with logic like that its no wonder america is going down the shitter.
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Which only shows he's talking out both sides of his mouth and is either ignoring the facts, or has not looked. DC never got illegal guns off the streets, as no gun ban ever does. Crime went up after the ban was put in place, and crime has gone down in EVERY community in which Right To Carry laws were passed. Ergo, you don't support a ban that has only the effect of increasing crime and or not lowering it, and is Unconstitutional as SCOTUS concluded. If you actually know the facts, you also know Obama is talking out both sides of his mouth at best, and out his ass at worst, when it comes to guns/2A issues.
Senator Obama knows the issue backwards and forwards. He taught Constitutional Law for 12 years as professor at the University of Chicago.
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so as long as he creates another amendment or law to bypass the constitution its ok in your eyes ::)
with logic like that its no wonder america is going down the shitter.
HE DOES NOT HAVE THE POWER TO AMMEND The Constitution!!!!!
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HE DOES NOT HAVE THE POWER TO AMMEND The Constitution!!!!!
then how can get away with doing whatever he likes ???
either way he is ignoring the constitution - something that should not ever have been done.
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then how can get away with doing whatever he likes ???
either way he is ignoring the constitution - something that should not ever have been done.
He doesn`t do what he likes. I can`t name one thing Bush has done that is not within the legal bounds of the Constitution.
I am no fan of Bush, but he has followed the Constitution.
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Senator Obama knows the issue backwards and forwards.
Incorrect, and his comments showing such are public for all to see. He didn't teach 2A Const. Law, and is no more or less able to view things as his personal agenda dictates than any other worthless anti gun sack of crap.
Again, supporting DC ban = he didn't bother to check the facts and or does not care about the facts.
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He doesn`t do what he likes. I can`t name one thing Bush has done that is not within the legal bounds of the Constitution.
I am no fan of Bush, but he has followed the Constitution.
no he hasn't - he has simply went around it.
as mars said the patriot act was very unconstitutional.
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Senator Obama knows the issue backwards and forwards. He taught Constitutional Law for 12 years as professor at the University of Chicago.
Just shut up already, please.
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Obama has no respect for the 2A. Lots of guns are being sold only because people are afraid of him getting into office. A lot more will be sold if he does.
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Obama has no respect for the 2A. Lots of guns are being sold only because people are afraid of him getting into office. A lot more will be sold if he does.
As usual, people in this thread and others listen to what Obama (or any politician for that matter) is saying vs actually looking at their voting records and prior history. All of Obama's record and prior history shows when it comes to 2A issues and guns, he does not have a clue what the 2A actually stands for and is simply anti gun. Here are the facts with citations for anyone to look up:
FACT: Barack Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have appointed Thomas or Scalia.17
FACT: Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate “assault weapons,” but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen.18
FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1
FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.15
FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3
FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9
FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2
FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4
FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5
FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6
FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.
FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7
FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8
FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9
FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10
FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11
FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2
FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14
FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.16
FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9
FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9
1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=1&vote=00219)
2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,” Politico, March 31, 2008. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html)
3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=1&vote=00217)
4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalra...common-se.html)
5. Illinois Senate, SB 2165, March 25, 2004, vote 20 and May 25, 2004, vote 3.
6. “Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record.” Obama ’08, December 11, 2007. (http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck...n_obamas_c.php)
7. “Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,” Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_560181.html)
8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7.
9. “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml)
10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.
11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18.
12. “Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control,” Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (http://learfield.typepad.com/radioio...n_edwards.html)
13. Chicago Tribune blogs, “Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,” February 15, 2008, (http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/b..._on_shoot.html)
14. Barack Obama campaign website: “As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . .” (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ur...aw-enforcement.)
15. Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes (http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Bara...un_Control.htm and http://www.ontheissues.org/IL_2004_Senate_3rd.htm) Oct 21, 2004.
16. Illinois Senate, May 16, 2003, HB 2579, vote 34.
17. United States Senate vote 245, September 29, 2005 and vote 2, January 31, 2006 and Saddleback Forum, August 16, 2008.
18. Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, March 13, 2003. To see the vote tally go to: http://www.nrapvf.org/Media/pdf/sb1195_obama.pdf.
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