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Title: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: Method101 on October 20, 2008, 04:00:39 AM
Myself 1.5 years.
 :-X
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: spinnis on October 20, 2008, 04:07:07 AM
a few years  ;D
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: webcake on October 20, 2008, 04:08:21 AM
1st day...
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: Method101 on October 20, 2008, 04:08:59 AM
1st day...
fuck off joker
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: LatsMcGee on October 20, 2008, 04:11:29 AM
1st day...

with one fucking arm too, that was awesome!
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: JasonBourne22 on October 20, 2008, 04:19:31 AM
about a month, first bench was 185, after getting form down I was up to 225 within a month. I also already weight 180lbs(fat) though.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: Method101 on October 20, 2008, 04:20:46 AM
about a month, first bench was 185, after getting form down I was up to 225 within a month. I also already weight 180lbs(fat) though.
::) ::)
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: JasonBourne22 on October 20, 2008, 04:28:07 AM
::) ::)
Yeah and you probably don't believe that I was 15 at the time either  :) but I have no reason to lie, it was freshmen year maxing out during football workouts.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: spinnis on October 20, 2008, 04:30:55 AM
SAmulesson took 300 pounds on his first try.

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Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: wavelength on October 20, 2008, 04:38:31 AM
Several years, can't remember. :-[
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: Pecs on October 20, 2008, 05:45:59 AM
3 years...
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: spinnis on October 20, 2008, 05:48:53 AM
I remember first time I benched, it was at a home gym at a friends house, I think I benched about 70 pounds :D
I dont thing I weighed more then 90 pounds though lol.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: Tapeworm on October 20, 2008, 06:03:02 AM
Little over 3 years.  :(  My form sucked for a long time tho.  Should have gotten a coach.  Probably still should.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: Permabulker on October 20, 2008, 06:04:51 AM
Maybe 9 months -year?  I was 17.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: chrisdaniel33 on October 20, 2008, 06:11:27 AM
6 months of workout experience. but i only weighed 165
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: Cleanest Natural on October 20, 2008, 06:13:07 AM
2 years ... ?
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: _bruce_ on October 20, 2008, 06:22:27 AM
Many years - was an inconsistent bitch.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: wavelength on October 20, 2008, 06:23:58 AM
Funny thing is, there is no Getbigger who hasn't hit it yet. ;D
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: io856 on October 20, 2008, 06:34:22 AM
three years
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: Tapeworm on October 20, 2008, 06:57:13 AM
Funny thing is, there is no Getbigger who hasn't hit it yet. ;D

I'm right there.  Used to get it for a couple teeth clenching, slanty barred reps after ramping up on 5x5.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: kwri298 on October 20, 2008, 07:26:11 AM
A couple of months.  I started at 185lbs for 6.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: QuakerOats on October 20, 2008, 07:28:03 AM
i started at 405 for 10.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: lightweight on October 20, 2008, 07:31:06 AM
Funny thing is, there is no Getbigger who hasn't hit it yet. ;D

the highest ive done is 215
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: Meso_z on October 20, 2008, 07:43:10 AM
Myself 1.5 years.
 :-X

you mean max or for reps?
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: TommyBoy on October 20, 2008, 08:52:15 AM
Took a little under a year at a body weight of 142. Was sixteen at the time. No clue what I can do for 1rm nowadays nor do I care.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: The_Punisher on October 20, 2008, 09:46:29 AM
I benched 225lbs for 225 times my first day. how is that for you?
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: mass 04 on October 20, 2008, 10:11:46 AM
I benched 225lbs for 225 times my first day. how is that for you?
I know a guy who deadlifted that.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: wes on October 20, 2008, 10:17:35 AM
Took about 2 years.............I benched 230 pounds at 126 pounds bodyweight.  :)

The most I`ve ever benched was 300 at 150 pounds...............sto pped benching completely.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: Method101 on October 20, 2008, 10:20:38 AM
Bones in my wrists are too small
i dont see how that would stop you benching alot of weight, ever heard of wrist wraps?
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: Method101 on October 20, 2008, 12:41:15 PM

Same with me.
:-\
my wrists are very small, only a circumference of 6.5"
Dont matter how big my forearms get, my wrists are always going to be 6.5", thats small by any standards but ime 6ft.2 tall lol.

I didn't realise it would be limiting on lifts when i get into heavier weights, but it dosen't really bother me because i dont train for powerlifting etc.

Small joints are supposed to be more desireable than big ones aesthetically anyway so its not all bad.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: ASJChaotic on October 20, 2008, 01:20:03 PM
Yeah, in bbing, small wrists are great. Yours is a small joint measurement for one so tall -- bet your forearm and arm development look pretty good as a result. Small joints in general, are great. Flex Wheeler, for example. But only if you have the full muscle belly and insertion "look" to go along with it. If not (like me), then you're screwed.

I have small wrists, short arms, and biceps that insert such that the fibers don't bulge down near the joint. So, my arm development, in a nutshell, sucks. If I had big joints, at least I'd be able to handle more weight for better hypertrophy. Or if my arms were longer, I'd apply more natural torque to the muscle thanks to the long lever, essentially putting more force into the muscle.

I pretty much got the crap triumvirate for arm development.

Sometimes, I'm pretty sure I'm an idiot for choosing bodybuilding. It obviously doesn't like me very much, but I keep running back to it.
snx you seem to have alot of knowledge about gaining muscle and bodybuilding naturally
do you have a book or a bunch of articles that you wrote that I can read
I'm always learning  :)
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: wes on October 20, 2008, 01:22:15 PM
Athletic tape for wrists !
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: RC Money on October 20, 2008, 01:26:58 PM
At the end of my juinior year I did 205 my first serious time in the gym and 225 a little while later, I did wrestling for three years before weight training though so it wasnt like my muscles werent already stimulated.

BTW snx seems to know his stuff, he has had more than a few informative posts.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: Ursus on October 20, 2008, 01:45:39 PM
seriously around a month and a half
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: Sam on October 20, 2008, 02:01:10 PM
18 Months although i never bench now - much too hard on the AC Joint/Rotator Cuff

Stick with DB after 30
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: keanu on October 20, 2008, 02:19:43 PM
  I started doing push ups at 14, feet off the arm of the couch (elavated), all the way down to the collar bone. I had read a martial arts magazine stating Bruce Lee did 200 push ups a night. Started doing about 30 a night and worked up to 200. 8 sets of 25, elavated. Did this until about 20 years old.

I tried benching at 20. Did 135*3 right away. It was light but the thing was about balancing and getting used it.  Added about 20 lbs per workout until hitting 205 lbs. it took about 3 months to get to 225lbs*5. I was training higher reps and push ups at the time. The push up strengh translated faily well. Did benches for about 9 months but it started really hurting my shoulders as the weights got higher, and didn't hit my chest that well.  I couldn't get my chest in the right position to respond with a pad pressed against it. Same for chest presses.

Gave up chest presses entirely and now just do cables crossovers from many different angles and about 250 push ups, down to the collarbone, feet off the side of the couch (about 2 feet up). I highly recommend this workout for anyone who does not respond to pressing with a pad against your back (siting or lying down).

Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: ASJChaotic on October 20, 2008, 02:23:05 PM
If I told you, I'd have to....

Nah, just kidding.

It's all locked up in my head big guy. I try to get it out when I can.

Good luck at the Mr. GB. I hope you achieve your goals.
thanks alot, if I knew how to workout when I started a year ago it would have helped alot
I only found out what works best for me like 2 weeks ago
but I guess with time we gain experience and with time comes knowledge and we get better  :-\
In the next year I plan on putting on 30-40 pounds of muscle with the new method
it's gonna take lots of muscle to fill out my 6 foot 7 frame
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: 1BigJW on October 20, 2008, 02:25:08 PM
Took 2 months my Sophomore year of High School. I was 15...
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: Deicide on October 20, 2008, 02:25:32 PM
Never. I can't even bench 225 for one rep.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: Ursus on October 20, 2008, 02:26:18 PM
snx

 like your style...can you give a very brief rundown of training philosophy what your goals are and ur stats if you wish.

Thanks mate
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: ASJChaotic on October 20, 2008, 02:34:06 PM
...and after knowledge, comes wisdom. You can't hurry wisdom. I like to think of knowledge as knowing what's right because that item seems to make sense based on empirical and factual information that you have the ability to understand.

Wisdom comes when you test all forms of knowledge to arrive at universal truths. You can't hurry it.

Also, everything is a continuum. What you consider applicable knowledge for your body today becomes useless in a few years. Your body will change, goals will change, your life will change. Thus, your knowledge must change too.

Don't be rigid in your thinking. Be open to all ideas. Test as many as you can, if they pass the "BS meter" you have. Because that testing breeds wisdom, and nothing is more powerful than wisdom.
u couldn't have put it better  :o
ya, I have tried many methods, many many methods, dieting, cardio and training
and I have finally come up with what will work best for me...right now
you remind me that people can actually learn something from Getbig.com  :'(  ;D
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: HTexan on October 20, 2008, 02:35:06 PM
6 months with trainer. After not lifting since high school. ;)
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: chaos on October 20, 2008, 08:08:36 PM
:-\
my wrists are very small, only a circumference of 6.5"
Dont matter how big my forearms get, my wrists are always going to be 6.5", thats small by any standards but ime 6ft.2 tall lol.

I didn't realise it would be limiting on lifts when i get into heavier weights, but it dosen't really bother me because i dont train for powerlifting etc.

Small joints are supposed to be more desireable than big ones aesthetically anyway so its not all bad.
LOL, 6.5" wrists@ 6'2"? hahahahahahhhHAHAHHAHAA how big are your tits?
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: tbombz on October 20, 2008, 08:12:20 PM
bout 6 months ? but for the first 6 months i was trianign i was eating EVERYthing in sight and, even though it was the first time i ever really truly was exercising, i got fatter.  ;D food is a powerful substance.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: chaos on October 20, 2008, 08:13:03 PM
bout 6 months ? but for the first 6 months i was trianign i was eating EVERYthing in sight and, even though it was the first time i ever really truly was exercising, i got fatter.  ;D food is a powerful substance.
I wish I had a pic of a fat kid on a dirtbike right now.............
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: tbombz on October 20, 2008, 08:17:55 PM
I wish I had a pic of a fat kid on a dirtbike right now.............
nah, that was BEFORE training, i got FATTER  :o  ;D
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: chaos on October 20, 2008, 08:26:50 PM
nah, that was BEFORE training, i got FATTER  :o  ;D
So you're saying I should make a phone call and see if I can get someone to email me a fatter picture of you so I can post it? :D
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: grab an umbrella on October 20, 2008, 09:07:05 PM
Started at 115 at the beginning of 9th grade, by the beginning of 10th i was maxing at 225, got up to 355 senior year...
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: ASJChaotic on October 20, 2008, 09:08:21 PM
snx I agree with everything you said but what is your philosophy behind NOT going to failure?
 ???
don't you have to push the muscle to its limits each and everytime?
you won't work it beyond the stress it is used to without going to failure
correct me if I'm wrong  :-\
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: Jeffro on October 20, 2008, 09:15:55 PM
LOL, 6.5" wrists@ 6'2"? hahahahahahhhHAHAHHAHAA how big are your tits?
Are you inferring that "Method101" is a skinny, feminine twink with slender wrists more suited for a lady, Chaos?
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: Method101 on October 20, 2008, 10:34:55 PM
LOL, 6.5" wrists@ 6'2"? hahahahahahhhHAHAHHAHAA how big are your tits?
LoL idiot, the size of your arms has no effect on your wrist size. P.s ide rather have small wrists than be 5ft.8 with a 40" waist and bald head.
 
anyway, i have a bigger dick than you so i win.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: JasonBourne22 on October 21, 2008, 06:58:38 AM
SNX you really know your shit man. Great posts!
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: QuakerOats on October 21, 2008, 07:11:32 AM
are 8 1/2 inch wrists big?
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: Method101 on October 21, 2008, 07:33:35 AM
are 8 1/2 inch wrists big?
yes but at 30%+ bodyfat the fat adds atleast an inch. :D
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: QuakerOats on October 21, 2008, 07:35:22 AM
yes but at 30%+ bodyfat the fat adds atleast an inch. :D
i'm 90 percent bodyfat. :D
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: MONSTER_TRICEPS on October 21, 2008, 09:01:15 AM
are 8 1/4 inch wrists big?
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: Ursus on October 21, 2008, 12:36:49 PM
snx...great posts...i never ever traine to failure either. And agree with high % of 1rm

I also train 6x a week. After this current routine peaks/nearly peaks i am going to go on a strength routine. Maybe 5 exercises per day 2 stes each...i done something similar before and made huge gains.

Where are you from mate?
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: Miss Demeanor on October 21, 2008, 03:21:37 PM
...and after knowledge, comes wisdom. You can't hurry wisdom. I like to think of knowledge as knowing what's right because that item seems to make sense based on empirical and factual information that you have the ability to understand.

Wisdom comes when you test all forms of knowledge to arrive at universal truths. You can't hurry it.

Also, everything is a continuum. What you consider applicable knowledge for your body today becomes useless in a few years. Your body will change, goals will change, your life will change. Thus, your knowledge must change too.

Don't be rigid in your thinking. Be open to all ideas. Test as many as you can, if they pass the "BS meter" you have. Because that testing breeds wisdom, and nothing is more powerful than wisdom.

That is a really nice post! 

Your training is neat, too, though I am curious about the approach you use to more rapidly increase size/strength in a given bodypart (for example, the six-days-a-week routine you outlined for bringing up your pecs).  How long do you sustain that kind of training? 

Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: CAPTAIN INSANO on October 21, 2008, 04:30:28 PM
~ 2 years
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: James Phoenix on October 21, 2008, 04:33:14 PM
Jay Cutler said he benched like 315 the first time he ever tried.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: CAPTAIN INSANO on October 21, 2008, 04:34:34 PM
Jay Cutler said he benched like 315 the first time he ever tried.

You don't even bench 225 emo boy...

piss off :)
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: James Phoenix on October 21, 2008, 04:35:58 PM
You don't even bench 225 emo boy...

piss off :)

Well...I piss in your mom's mouth all the time Nancy.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: QuakerOats on October 21, 2008, 04:36:29 PM
Jay Cutler said he benched like 315 the first time he ever tried.
::)
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: Tombo on October 21, 2008, 05:29:26 PM
yeah i guess 2 yrs
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: koolie1 on October 21, 2008, 05:40:04 PM
Started lifting when I was 24-25. Took about 2-3 years (not geneticaly gift at all) then tore my rotator cuff. Came back to weights seriously again around 32 and it only took about 8 months THEN ruptured distsl bicep tendon. Took 5-6 months off after surgery and then I went from about 160 lbs to 225 for 6-8 reps in about 3-4 months, thank god for muscle memory but GET THIS. Now I have tendonitis in the tricp and have to see a surgeon tomorrow to see if its ruptured. I may be retiring soon :)
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: swilkins1984 on October 21, 2008, 06:11:26 PM
About 2 years. Good day that was but not as ground breaking when the 135 for reps was. Now I am getting 275-285 for reps trying to get to the legendary 315.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: ASJChaotic on October 21, 2008, 06:15:04 PM
Jay Cutler said he benched like 315 the first time he ever tried.
shut the fuck up, fag emo kid  >:(
shouldn't you be talking about marilyn manson instead of Jay Cutler?  ::)
do you think that you're a bodbuilder emo kid?
you'll NEVER bench 225, your bones are too small, you skinny scrawny twink
....with no abs LOL  ;D
"skinny-fat"
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: James Phoenix on October 21, 2008, 06:19:33 PM
shut the fuck up, fag emo kid  >:(
shouldn't you be talking about marilyn manson instead of Jay Cutler?  ::)
do you think that you're a bodbuilder emo kid?
you'll NEVER bench 225, your bones are too small, you skinny scrawny twink
....with no abs LOL  ;D
"skinny-fat"

Boring.

You're lame.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: Tapeworm on October 21, 2008, 06:48:36 PM
This one is a tough one. I think it's akin to an argument between a Muslim and a Christian over who's god is right. The answer, is neither, and both. It all depends.

Here's what I believe to be true. Training to failure will produce myofibril breakdown, which stimulates hypertrophy. No doubt there. It also creates increased metabolic demands on the muscle -- there's some residual benefit to the bodybuilder there. But, there's also the risk of CNS over-stimulation. That's where I have a big problem.

You see, a muscle grows when you break it down and allow it to repair. The more often you repeat this process over the course of a year with a given muscle, the faster it will grow. Makes sense, doesn't it?

So, my ideal is to train just hard enough to create myofibril damage without over-doing it on the CNS. That way, I can get back in the gym and hit that same muscle again the next day, and the day after that, and so on. Repetitive work breeds adaptation.

If my theory were untrue, why do football teams have 3-a-day practices? Why do golfers go to a driving range every day to perfect a swing? Why does a baseball batter hit a batting cage twice a day every day to hone his swing and develop speed and power? The answer is simple -- the more often you use the muscle, the more it grows.

To grow, you must feed it. We all know that. However, if you work your CNS too hard, you burn out. And this burn out prevents you from getting to the gym again and working that muscle group hard.

Let me draw an example for you, and maybe it'll illustrate my point (and I'm not asking you to agree with me. Plenty of folks won't. It's just what I believe to be true):

Here's a week's worth of chest work for me if I need to increase size and strength in this muscle:

Monday: 3 sets of 3 in the bench press
Tuesday: 3 sets of 3 in the bench press
Wednesday: 3 sets of 3 in the bench press
Thursday: 3 sets of 5 in the dumbell flye
Friday: 3 sets of 5 in the dumbell flye
Weekend: Off

Here's a week's worth of chest training for a guy who trains to failure:

Monday: 5 sets of 8 with the bench press. 3 sets of 8 with the incline press. 3 sets of 8 with the incline flye. 3 sets of 15 with dips.
Tuesday: Back
Wednesday: Delts
Thursday: Legs
Friday: Arms
Weekend: Off

Both guys do roughly the same number of sets.

I submit that because I am able to work my pec fibers with heavier weights, and am fresher each time I hit the gym (because I didn't lift to failure), that I will create more repetitive stimulus for better growth throughout the year. On my plan, theoretically, I get 260  mini chest workouts. The "failure" guy gets 52 per year.

Not to mention, how many guys never, ever, miss a single session throughout a year? Let's say you miss a three chest workouts this year. Your productivity has dropped by 6%. Your growth potential has dropped 6%. If I miss 3 workouts, my growth potential only drops by 1%.

You'd be surprised how easily training to failure all-out can burn you out. You're young, and you can hang with it. But it will catch up to you. You'll get colds faster and easier. You'll get hurt more easily. Your form will suffer in the gym more. You'll develop muscular imbalances more quickly.

I've yet to see the evidence proving me wrong. So with that said, because I like it and it works for me, I'll stick to "non-failure".

That said, I'd be a fool to say training to failure is useless. Yes, after that long post, I will admit: training to failure has its benefits. I've used it on numerous occasions. However, this method of training is not sustainable, and should only be used intermittently in planned spurts. Your coach can help you with that.

Excellent post.  Lots of us push too hard in our hunger for progress, I reckon.  I certainly do, and it's probably burned me out and held me back.  Goudy was recently kind enough to point out the obvious to me - if you're tired ALL THE TIME, maybe it would be wise to back it off (as well as some other advice - cheers John!).  After only less than a week of non failure training, I've got more energy already.

I'm on a 4 way split, and I'll probably stick with it for a few months at least, but your approach of training a muscle every day (with moderate intensity, weekend off) is interesting.  It's against modern "conventional wisdom" but I have often wondered about it.  Never tried it since my bad habit of pushing too hard tends to wear me down, so I figured daily training was out of the question, but once I break my bad habit of over intensifying a workout it's something I might take a shot at and see how I handle it.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: koolie1 on October 21, 2008, 07:03:45 PM
Boring.

You're lame.

This is the homo-est shit I have ever seen. Do the world a favor, double barrell shot gun, insert in mouth and pull both triggers.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: chaos on October 21, 2008, 07:56:33 PM
LoL idiot, the size of your arms has no effect on your wrist size. P.s ide rather have small wrists than be 5ft.8 with a 40" waist and bald head.
 
anyway, i have a bigger dick than you so i win.
I didn't say anything about your arm size, a little self sonscience of something? :D

My wrists are 8 3/4, and I'm 6'2"......with a bald head, you limp wristed fairy.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: Jeffro on October 21, 2008, 07:58:28 PM
I didn't say anything about your arm size, a little self sonscience of something? :D

My wrists are 8 3/4, and I'm 6'2"......with a bald head, you limp wristed fairy.
Brutal ownage right there.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: ASJChaotic on October 21, 2008, 08:19:06 PM
This one is a tough one. I think it's akin to an argument between a Muslim and a Christian over who's god is right. The answer, is neither, and both. It all depends.

Here's what I believe to be true. Training to failure will produce myofibril breakdown, which stimulates hypertrophy. No doubt there. It also creates increased metabolic demands on the muscle -- there's some residual benefit to the bodybuilder there. But, there's also the risk of CNS over-stimulation. That's where I have a big problem.

You see, a muscle grows when you break it down and allow it to repair. The more often you repeat this process over the course of a year with a given muscle, the faster it will grow. Makes sense, doesn't it?

So, my ideal is to train just hard enough to create myofibril damage without over-doing it on the CNS. That way, I can get back in the gym and hit that same muscle again the next day, and the day after that, and so on. Repetitive work breeds adaptation.

If my theory were untrue, why do football teams have 3-a-day practices? Why do golfers go to a driving range every day to perfect a swing? Why does a baseball batter hit a batting cage twice a day every day to hone his swing and develop speed and power? The answer is simple -- the more often you use the muscle, the more it grows.

To grow, you must feed it. We all know that. However, if you work your CNS too hard, you burn out. And this burn out prevents you from getting to the gym again and working that muscle group hard.

Let me draw an example for you, and maybe it'll illustrate my point (and I'm not asking you to agree with me. Plenty of folks won't. It's just what I believe to be true):

Here's a week's worth of chest work for me if I need to increase size and strength in this muscle:

Monday: 3 sets of 3 in the bench press
Tuesday: 3 sets of 3 in the bench press
Wednesday: 3 sets of 3 in the bench press
Thursday: 3 sets of 5 in the dumbell flye
Friday: 3 sets of 5 in the dumbell flye
Weekend: Off

Here's a week's worth of chest training for a guy who trains to failure:

Monday: 5 sets of 8 with the bench press. 3 sets of 8 with the incline press. 3 sets of 8 with the incline flye. 3 sets of 15 with dips.
Tuesday: Back
Wednesday: Delts
Thursday: Legs
Friday: Arms
Weekend: Off

Both guys do roughly the same number of sets.

I submit that because I am able to work my pec fibers with heavier weights, and am fresher each time I hit the gym (because I didn't lift to failure), that I will create more repetitive stimulus for better growth throughout the year. On my plan, theoretically, I get 260  mini chest workouts. The "failure" guy gets 52 per year.

Not to mention, how many guys never, ever, miss a single session throughout a year? Let's say you miss a three chest workouts this year. Your productivity has dropped by 6%. Your growth potential has dropped 6%. If I miss 3 workouts, my growth potential only drops by 1%.

You'd be surprised how easily training to failure all-out can burn you out. You're young, and you can hang with it. But it will catch up to you. You'll get colds faster and easier. You'll get hurt more easily. Your form will suffer in the gym more. You'll develop muscular imbalances more quickly.

I've yet to see the evidence proving me wrong. So with that said, because I like it and it works for me, I'll stick to "non-failure".

That said, I'd be a fool to say training to failure is useless. Yes, after that long post, I will admit: training to failure has its benefits. I've used it on numerous occasions. However, this method of training is not sustainable, and should only be used intermittently in planned spurts. Your coach can help you with that.
great post, as always!
I completely agree with you again
I knew that failure training taxed your CNS alot
but would a frequency like that allow for time to recover properly?
you would be exercising your whole body everyday with just a few sets I assume?
since you'e not going to failure, you stop 1 rep short of it?
my training program that I'm making for myself looks a lot like this
frequent training, low sets per bodypart, heavy ass weights
I can't wait to try it out in 3 weeks after Mr. Getbig 
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: Eric2 on October 21, 2008, 10:02:58 PM
I was 15 years old., 6'2 @ 150 pounds body weight. I took power lifting in high school. I reached 225 after the first class, semester or quarter(whatever). On a side note, by my senior year I was 180 pounds and my max was 315 at that point. My best ever was 445 at 225 pound bw @ 28 years of age ten years ago. So close to doubling my bw in bench.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: Method101 on October 21, 2008, 10:28:16 PM
I didn't say anything about your arm size, a little self sonscience of something? :D

My wrists are 8 3/4
Gayer than bragging about wrist thickness, you definatly have a small dick, do you drive a pickup truck aswell?

p.s you might want to remove Jeffro's tongue from your fat sweaty anus.
and jeffro, you probably haven't even benched 225 yet you little shemale so shut the fuck up.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: ASJChaotic on October 21, 2008, 10:31:49 PM
Gayer than bragging about wrist thickness, you definatly have a small dick, do you drive a pickup truck aswell?

p.s you might want to remove Jeffro's tongue from your fat sweaty anus.
and jeffro, you probably haven't even benched 225 yet you little shemale so shut the fuck up.

gayer than chaos not realizing he has 2 inches of fat on his wrists
and a bald cone shaped head
being ugly as fuck his wrists are what he should be CUTTING
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: Jeffro on October 21, 2008, 10:32:37 PM
Gayer than bragging about wrist thickness, you definatly have a small dick, do you drive a pickup truck aswell?

p.s you might want to remove Jeffro's tongue from your fat sweaty anus.
and jeffro, you probably haven't even benched 225 yet you little shemale so shut the fuck up.

Calm down skinny, it ain't that serious. ::)
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: The Freakshow on October 21, 2008, 10:32:43 PM
I couple of years. I hit 225lbs when I was a senior in high school. a long time ago........a long loooong time ago :D
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: Method101 on October 21, 2008, 10:36:26 PM
Calm down skinny, it ain't that serious. ::)
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Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: reppin203 on October 21, 2008, 11:56:18 PM
Immediately on the smith. Crossed over to free weights and had to re-master my form starting at 185 for reps. 205 came in about a month, 225 maybe another month. Got up to like 270 with a big arch but touching my chest with the bar 9months  of steady training. Plateaued for a while.....tried some dbol...315....325....tri ed some sust.......340.....365.. 385.....etc etc. Did 405 for reps after 3 or 4 years training. Admittedly I was overweight and a wanna-be power-lifter. Weighed up to 305 at 6'1". Much leaner now at 265. Now I just do inclines and dips most of the time and flyes to pre-exhaust.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: wavelength on October 22, 2008, 01:58:13 AM
My philosphy: 85% of 1RM, or you're wasting time. Don't lift to failure. Train type IIB fibers, or try to hit them at least. Teach the muscle to contract against resistance during a movement to maximize motor unit recruitment. Strong muscles are big muscles. Training is far more important than diet -- we are a lazy people and are afraid of hard work...killer training can more than make up for poor nutrition (if you want an example, look at the NFL)...but a great diet will not make a poor trainer huge and strong. Train movements, not muscles. Correct imbalances before they lay you out. Train every day -- rest is over rated. The body will adapt. Fools change their training too often -- consistent effort leads to measurable, consistent results.

Diet wise, I eat to live, and not the other way around. Get a gram of protein per kilo of bodyweight. Eat 10 to 12 kcal per pound of ideal bodyweight to lose fat. Eat 13 to 15 kcal per pound of bodyweight to gain muscle and a little bit of fat that you can hopefully lose easily.

That's about it. Hard to sum up a man's beliefs in one page, now that I've tried.

Bottom line: if you aren't a pro, take it easy and have fun with this. Most guys take it way too seriously. Last time I checked, lifting weights and bodybuilding could still be fun.

Excellent post snx. It's obvious that your knowledge is emperical and not theoretical.

My experience however is that the type of training is not that important. I made great progress with very different types of training. The only thing that did not work for me is very high number of reps. But I do agree that frequent switching of training methods is highly overrated.

I don't think that the difference between going to failure or not is that important. Going to failure essentially just means one rep more. Regarding 1RM, trying 1RM itself has no great benefits IMO, but the process of getting there (e.g. using HST) can be very beneficial in breaking plateaus.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: chaos on October 22, 2008, 05:23:31 AM
Gayer than bragging about wrist thickness, you definatly have a small dick, do you drive a pickup truck aswell?

p.s you might want to remove Jeffro's tongue from your fat sweaty anus.
and jeffro, you probably haven't even benched 225 yet you little shemale so shut the fuck up.

Someone is on the sensitive side, huh? :D

Need a kotex?

Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: ASJChaotic on October 22, 2008, 07:14:28 AM
I'll try to answer each of your questions here.

The frequency of training is sustainable and you can recover from it. A muscle can learn to recover quite quickly. It's the CNS that takes a long time to recover if you over-work it. I assume you feed yourself properly when I make this broad-reaching statement.

Yes, you exercise your whole body every day. A non-specialized split looks like this for me (NOTE: I superset these. Supersetting is great when you practice alactic training. It also helps you move along quickly and prevents doddling in the gym.):

MONDAY:

Deadlift - 8 sets of 3 reps
Snatch - 8 sets of 3 reps


TUESDAY:

Military press - 8 sets of 3 reps
DB lunge - 4 sets of 5 reps
Chin-ups - 4 sets of 5 reps

WED:

DB press, inclined - 8 sets of 3 reps
Barbell row - 8 sets of 3 reps

THUR:

Squat - 8 sets of 3 reps
DB row - 4 sets of 5 reps
DB flye - 4 sets of 5 reps

FRI:

Clean and jerk - 15 sets of 1 rep
Pulldowns - 5 sets of 5 reps

SAT:

Pullups - 8 sets of 3 reps
Glute-Ham raises - 8 sets of 2 reps with weight

SUN:

Pullover and press - 8 sets of 3 reps
Abdominal work with medicine ball

That's about it. I also work on mobility 3 days a week, using foam rollers, stretching, and joint mobility increasing exercises. I do HIT cardio (I hate calling it that) once, maybe twice, per week. It's usually dragging a sled for a dozen or so 20-yard sprints. I find that fun. Or, I use a Tabata method on a tough exercise like squatting.

I would rather eat razors than walk on a treadmill.

As for failure, I avoid it if I can through meticulous planning with my poundages. Sometimes, I might hit failure. When I do, I know I've gotten over-zealous and established a target that was too aggressive for me. I have an ego too, and sometimes, it gets the best of me. Here's how I typically progress through an exercise to add weight (you'll notice it's agonizingly slow. It works, though. You just have to be patient).

Let's take my deadlift, for example.

Week one: 8 sets x 3 reps with 405 pounds
Week two: 1 set x 3 reps with 410 pounds, 7 sets x 3 reps with 405
Week three: 2 sets x 3 reps with 410 pounds, 6 sets x 3 reps with 405
Week four: 3 sets x 3 reps with 410 pounds, 6 set x 3 reps with 405
....and so on....

Until finally, on week 10, I'm able to deadlift 410 lbs for 8 sets of 3 reps. That's two months, essentially, to add 5 pounds to my deadlift. However, let's do some simple math. In doing so, in 8 weeks, I've increased my body's capacity from 9,720 pounds of work (8x3x405) to 9840 pounds of work (8x3x410). That extra 120 pounds had to have done something to my muscles. I won't give me Dorian's back, but it sure won't make it any worse than it is now. And, each week, I had the personal satisfaction of seeing progress. And, if all goes well, at the end of a year, my deadlift is up about 30 pounds. That's reasonable, and achievable. 30 pounds on your deadlift is nothing to sneeze at. Well, at least it isn't when you're as old as I am and been at this as long as I have.

Good luck at the Mr. GB. And of course, best of luck with your off-season training. They shouldn't call it off-season. They should call it on-season. Because that's when you should be working hardest.
great stuff  8)
you make youself sound like a 50 year old man, I don't think you're that old  :-\
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: THE MOUSE on October 22, 2008, 07:17:48 AM
about 6 months. not bad i suppose. ???
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: CalvinH on October 22, 2008, 10:03:04 AM
I'm glad people are writing books about this topic instead of just answering the question ::)
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: mass 04 on October 22, 2008, 10:06:51 AM
I'm glad people are writing books about this topic instead of just answering the question ::)
hahahah this guy wrote his P.h.D dissertation on a workout.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: CalvinH on October 22, 2008, 10:14:01 AM
hahahah this guy wrote his P.h.D dissertation on a workout.


Haha.I just read his last post and not a single mention of a bench press ;D
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: ScottWelch on October 22, 2008, 04:09:26 PM
2 years but form was shit!
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: MONSTER_TRICEPS on October 23, 2008, 11:06:32 AM
6 months at age 17.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: The Freakshow on October 23, 2008, 11:42:18 AM
To bring this topic back to point.......

So would the general consensus by approx. 2 years?
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: smblkolds on October 23, 2008, 12:49:30 PM
I started training on and off freshman year 1981 weighing at about 100 pounds @5'1". and was doing sets with 135. After graduating and training for real (between partying) I was doing 225 for sets of 12 within a year at about 160 pounds bodyweight and 5 foot 7 inches.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: QuakerOats on October 23, 2008, 12:51:10 PM
I started training on and off freshman year 1981 weighing at about 100 pounds @5'1". and was doing sets with 135. After graduating and training for real (between partying) I was doing 225 for sets of 12 within a year at about 160 pounds bodyweight and 5 foot 7 inches.
good stuff man, you should post some pics of yourself, you must be a beast.
Title: Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
Post by: CoolDuck on October 23, 2008, 01:57:55 PM
Myself 1.5 years.
 :-X

4 months, but it's not really that easy to judge, as I trained quite a bit as a teenager, thus muscle-memory may have come into play.

CD