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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: shrek on October 22, 2008, 04:26:27 PM
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what are yalls opinion on blue top HGH
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More fake out there then real...stay away
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what are yalls opinion on blue top HGH
Only two places I'd get them from that I trust and I still don't bother. Not really a fan of blue tops, even the Kefies.
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what are the ways to tell if it real?
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ive never tried gh. but i dont think i ever will, unless i am 'BALLIN' and can throw away a few grand to try it out at a good dose. i think as a fat burner , just looking at it from a endrocrine perspetive, it pales in comparison to t3. for growth, we all know that gh isnt what causes the growth, but the IGF that the gh converts to... and considering you can buy IGF buy itsef, and its about a million times cheaper than GH (plus theres no guarantee on a conversion rate of gh to igf, and you cant make sure your getting the right amount you want), id go to igf before id ever go to gh.
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if i sent a picture of them would that help in figureing out.. ive taking some of the exact one already and i put on some weight and my muscles are fuller
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if i sent a picture of them would that help in figureing out.. ive taking some of the exact one already and i put on some weight and my muscles are fuller
Pictures don't help with generic blue tops, who knows what's in there.
As far as IGF goes, there are very few places that actually sell real IGF, it's faked more than GH is IMO. I'll run GH for as long as I can afford it because it has other benefits than just body composition.
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Pictures don't help with generic blue tops, who knows what's in there.
As far as IGF goes, there are very few places that actually sell real IGF, it's faked more than GH is IMO. I'll run GH for as long as I can afford it because it has other benefits than just body composition.
Im not sure if i really believe that, unless you have a pre existing deficiency in GH levels. whats the evidence to support the 'life extension' benefits of gh ? im not familiar with the topic at all but the idea of it doesnt make sense on the surface (to me, that is)
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Im not sure if i really believe that, unless you have a pre existing deficiency in GH levels. whats the evidence to support the 'life extension' benefits of gh ? im not familiar with the topic at all but the idea of it doesnt make sense on the surface (to me, that is)
I wasn't referring to life extension aspects of it because there have been studies that people with higher IGF levels (from high Gh levels) actually have shorter life spans heh. When I'm on GH I have a very high sense of well being, almost euphoric, my decision making is much sharper and my mind is clear all the time which it can get a little foggy while on test. That coupled with my skin having a nice glow, wrinkles around my eyes tightening up and my hair shines (yay heh).
Those are all minor things, but being sharp and my decision making being quick are aspects I need to have due to my job. Test tends to make me feel kind of foggy sometimes, especially after I've been on it for a while, so it definitely helps. And of course, being able to keep lean and not have to watch my diet so much, is a big benefit to me. My views on using it may not be in line with what others use it for, but I'm not ever going to step on stage and the above benefits, especially as I get older, are well worth it to me.
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ive never tried gh. but i dont think i ever will, unless i am 'BALLIN' and can throw away a few grand to try it out at a good dose. i think as a fat burner , just looking at it from a endrocrine perspetive, it pales in comparison to t3. for growth, we all know that gh isnt what causes the growth, but the IGF that the gh converts to... and considering you can buy IGF buy itsef, and its about a million times cheaper than GH (plus theres no guarantee on a conversion rate of gh to igf, and you cant make sure your getting the right amount you want), id go to igf before id ever go to gh.
Bro GH is the best single product ive ever taken. Use it and then form an opinion. I dont care what people say in text books and on forums. Ive noticed people who havent used is will dismiss it. Those who use it love it. YOu cant compare t3 to GH... GH combined with legit pharma test is about the best bodybuilding combo on the planet. Maybe even better than Nitrotech and Celltech ;D
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Bro GH is the best single product ive ever taken. Use it and then form and opinion. I dont care what people say in text books and on forums. Ive noticed anyone who hasnt used is will dismiss it. Those who use it love it.
Bob Chicerillo has said he thought it was way overrated and is way too expensive for any benefits he got out of it,
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Bro GH is the best single product ive ever taken. Use it and then form an opinion. I dont care what people say in text books and on forums. Ive noticed people who havent used is will dismiss it. Those who use it love it. YOu cant compare t3 to GH... GH combined with legit pharma test is about the best bodybuilding combo on the planet. Maybe even better than Nitrotech and Celltech ;D
Ill bite my tung ..but great post bro ;)
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ive never tried gh. but i dont think i ever will, unless i am 'BALLIN' and can throw away a few grand to try it out at a good dose. i think as a fat burner , just looking at it from a endrocrine perspetive, it pales in comparison to t3. for growth, we all know that gh isnt what causes the growth, but the IGF that the gh converts to... and considering you can buy IGF buy itsef, and its about a million times cheaper than GH (plus theres no guarantee on a conversion rate of gh to igf, and you cant make sure your getting the right amount you want), id go to igf before id ever go to gh.
Bingo, all of my friends that have used both (gh and IGF) said exactly the same thing... they're never wasting their money on growth again, just get some good IGF.
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I wasn't referring to life extension aspects of it because there have been studies that people with higher IGF levels (from high Gh levels) actually have shorter life spans heh. When I'm on GH I have a very high sense of well being, almost euphoric, my decision making is much sharper and my mind is clear all the time which it can get a little foggy while on test. That coupled with my skin having a nice glow, wrinkles around my eyes tightening up and my hair shines (yay heh).
Those are all minor things, but being sharp and my decision making being quick are aspects I need to have due to my job. Test tends to make me feel kind of foggy sometimes, especially after I've been on it for a while, so it definitely helps. And of course, being able to keep lean and not have to watch my diet so much, is a big benefit to me. My views on using it may not be in line with what others use it for, but I'm not ever going to step on stage and the above benefits, especially as I get older, are well worth it to me.
How many Iu's do you take a day to feel those effects?
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How many Iu's do you take a day to feel those effects?
2-3ius of pharm grade is plenty for all of that.
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Bro GH is the best single product ive ever taken. Use it and then form an opinion. I dont care what people say in text books and on forums. Ive noticed people who havent used is will dismiss it. Those who use it love it. YOu cant compare t3 to GH... GH combined with legit pharma test is about the best bodybuilding combo on the planet. Maybe even better than Nitrotech and Celltech ;D
You're right, nothing tops GH...it will do more for your bf fat levels then t-3 ever will but as you said the two do not even compare in the first place. GH can have permanent effects on your fat cells.
Bingo, all of my friends that have used both (gh and IGF) said exactly the same thing... they're never wasting their money on growth again, just get some good IGF.
In most cases the problem is that the GH they're using is garbage blue tops or some other knock off GH. IMO, HGH is HGH, there is not a brand that is better then the next, but the brand has to be real, it has to be real GH in the bottle. Second, most guys aren't willing to spend the money on GH like they need to to see real results.
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GH can have permanent effects on your fat cells.
Please, speak more of this. I just bought some GH and although I haven't used it, I'm very eager to hop on board. It was pricey as shit because it's actually legit. I'd like to hear more nice things so that the blow to my savings account is blunted. :D
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not speaking from experience with gh, but speaking from an academic point of view looking at the endrocinology (the effects of gh on metabolism and the effects of t3 on metabolism), its highly unlikely that gh has a more potent fat burning effect than t3.
and on a side note, t3 should result in a big increase in natural gh anyway. since gh is a naturally occuring metabolic hormone that results from low blood sugar and induces lipolysis, with high doses of t3 your body should always naturally be releasing t3... you can see some studies that show that the body doesnt release any insulin with high doses of t3 because simply you will never have high blood sugar long enough for an insulin release to occur when taking large amounts of t3. so if insulin is not ever present than gh must always be present.
what effects on fat cells does gh have that is permanent ? i believe that the GROWTH from gh has been shown to be permannt, because igf creates whole new muscle cells, never heard anything about permanaent effects on fat cels though.
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HGH has effects on all cells in the body, including fat cells.
When you're losing weight, the unfortunate truth is that you are shrinking your fat cells, not destroying them...once you have a fat cell it is there for life. To destroy a fat cell completely you would have to take drugs like DNP...t-3, clen, ECA or any other fat burning drug or combo you can think of does not destroy fat cells.
Now, certain hormones can alter the way in which the fat cell functions, the rate at which it grows, remains or doesn't remain dormant. HGH can have a positive effect in this manner...t-3 does not.
When it comes to HGH it has become a well known fact that it can seriously alter the dreaded homeostasis factor in the body in a permanent way...drugs like t-3 for lack of a better description mirror this effect, the effect is not as "true."
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Now, certain hormones can alter the way in which the fat cell functions, the rate at which it grows, remains or doesn't remain dormant. HGH can have a positive effect in this manner...t-3 does not.
how so ?
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HGH has effects on all cells in the body, including fat cells.
When you're losing weight, the unfortunate truth is that you are shrinking your fat cells, not destroying them...once you have a fat cell it is there for life. To destroy a fat cell completely you would have to take drugs like DNP...t-3, clen, ECA or any other fat burning drug or combo you can think of does not destroy fat cells.
Now, certain hormones can alter the way in which the fat cell functions, the rate at which it grows, remains or doesn't remain dormant. HGH can have a positive effect in this manner...t-3 does not.
When it comes to HGH it has become a well known fact that it can seriously alter the dreaded homeostasis factor in the body in a permanent way...drugs like t-3 for lack of a better description mirror this effect, the effect is not as "true."
Hmm.. so you're saying that if you lean out on GH vs other cutting compounds, it's more likely to say that you probably won't rebound as much? If that's true, that'd be fucking fantastic. I don't have a problem with fat by any means, but it's a bitch to hold water and adipose and have to restrict the calories or hop on the bike for more cardio.
I'm not a competitor so I'm not hell bent on gaining a trillion pounds in the off season and doing drastic cuts. If I take my clothes off and look like a watery piece of shit, it's depressing. My gf doesn't care, but I do. It doesn't matter that I lift like a beast or measure up to a certain size. I think that if you don't look like you lift weights, you're doing it wrong. Hence my reason for not getting too fat when I bulk.
Well, I should be getting some pins soon so hopefully I respond well to GH. Will be running a little bit of T3 as needed to get my bf in order. Should be pretty fun. :)
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Only two places I'd get them from that I trust and I still don't bother. Not really a fan of blue tops, even the Kefies.
Lately there's been alot of conjecture regarding the Kefies and Blue tops.
Evidently, the Kefies are a company in China.
Alot of people have been getting Chinese counterfeits.
If there's no regulation of these GH companies how are you supposed to know if you're getting legit GH?
Are we talking UG GH? ???
DIV
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Lately there's been alot of conjecture regarding the Kefies and Blue tops.
Evidently, the Kefies are a company in China.
Alot of people have been getting Chinese counterfeits.
If there's no regulation of these GH companies how are you supposed to know if you're getting legit GH?
Are we talking UG GH? ???
DIV
Essentially, yes, UG GH heh.
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Essentially, yes, UG GH heh.
You people are paying for UG GH?
Come on........
If you're going to spend that kind of money, why aren't you getting a script or going through a legit source? ???
DIV
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how so ?
HGH can alter the structure of your cells...but this takes a good amount of time.
Am I answering what you're asking, cause I'm not sure?
Hmm.. so you're saying that if you lean out on GH vs other cutting compounds, it's more likely to say that you probably won't rebound as much? If that's true, that'd be fucking fantastic.
Yes and no.
I'm not saying that you shouldn't use other fat burning things, in truth things like HGH coupled with AAS and t-3 are the best rout to go if you're looking for the full effect. Most will agree that GH works better when coupled with AAS.
But yes, you're rebound effects should be smaller when GH is thrown into the equation. This does not occur after one 16wk run of HGH, true changes occur that are more long lasting when HGH is run for long extended periods of time. This isn't a license to eat like a pig when you come off...you can screw up any good situation.
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true changes occur that are more long lasting when HGH is run for long extended periods of time.
^That sounds nice, but I don't know a place where I can get inexpensive quality GH.
There are so many UG's and fakes out there.
DIV
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^That sounds nice, but I don't know a place where I can get inexpensive quality GH.
There are so many UG's and fakes out there.
DIV
They are out there, for sure, most are very private these days though.
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^That sounds nice, but I don't know a place where I can get inexpensive quality GH.
There are so many UG's and fakes out there.
DIV
that's the only reason why I don't try GH
it pisses me off, even on the street every GH kit I saw look strange. wouldn't pay for that
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is igf really that good of a product? i have heard mixed things with the stuff, any one actually see muscle gains from it?
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is igf really that good of a product? i have heard mixed things with the stuff, any one actually see muscle gains from it?
gh doesnt make you grow. the IGF that GH converts into is what makes you grow. if you want to use GH for growth, then you can get the same exact growth for much cheaper by using IGF
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gh doesnt make you grow. the IGF that GH converts into is what makes you grow. if you want to use GH for growth, then you can get the same exact growth for much cheaper by using IGF
The big problem is finding someone selling legit IGF. BoS has done some recent tests showing a lot of the LR3-IGF1 coming out of China isn't IGF at all.
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yeah but do you think getting legit GH is any easier ?
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yeah but do you think getting legit GH is any easier ?
It's a lot easier, but the expense is what kills it for a lot of guys. Getting a script for GH isn't too difficult if your in your 30's, but paying for it is another issue. There are, however, good sources for generic GH out there that are indeed GH, just not as good as what you're going to get from US FDA approved GH.
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is igf really that good of a product? i have heard mixed things with the stuff, any one actually see muscle gains from it?
Yes it is...one of the best things ever. Nothing touches HGH mixed with AAS...nothing.
It's a lot easier, but the expense is what kills it for a lot of guys. Getting a script for GH isn't too difficult if your in your 30's, but paying for it is another issue.
You can get an HGH script in your 20's as long as you're not an idiot.
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hi guys. dont mean to interrupt but would i need to see ang oncologist and an endocrinologist if i wanted to use gh?
im thinking about adding it to my cycle which i posted in another thread. what do you guys suggest a good dosage? good muscle growth with not much face deformity? would 2iu a day be sufficient? or 4iu? and how long should i take it? my cycle would be 15 wks.
thank you very much.
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Yes it is...one of the best things ever. Nothing touches HGH mixed with AAS...nothing.
You can get an HGH script in your 20's as long as you're not an idiot.
you can get a script for hgh in your 20s?
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It's a lot easier, but the expense is what kills it for a lot of guys. Getting a script for GH isn't too difficult if your in your 30's, but paying for it is another issue. There are, however, good sources for generic GH out there that are indeed GH, just not as good as what you're going to get from US FDA approved GH.
True.
A friend of mine has a script for GH, he pays $14 per IU.
GOOD Generics run around $2-3 per IU, but you better know your source.
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you can get a script for hgh in your 20s?
It would be very very very (did I say very?) difficult. It also might make your life harder in the future. I would imagine most docs would be apprehensive about giving them out based on all the heat lately.
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True.
A friend of mine has a script for GH, he pays $14 per IU.
GOOD Generics run around $2-3 per IU, but you better know your source.
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You see, the cheapest I ever saw for GH was $1 per IU from a Chinese UG.
The problem is "knowing" the source.
China brought us alot of things, including IP. :-X
DIV
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hi guys. dont mean to interrupt but would i need to see ang oncologist and an endocrinologist if i wanted to use gh?
im thinking about adding it to my cycle which i posted in another thread. what do you guys suggest a good dosage? good muscle growth with not much face deformity? would 2iu a day be sufficient? or 4iu? and how long should i take it? my cycle would be 15 wks.
thank you very much.
So you're saying you only want a little facial deformity?
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So you're saying you only want a little facial deformity?
LOL :-X
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So you're saying you only want a little facial deformity?
lol!! ;D yeah. a little facial deformity is acceptable. cos i have a friend who only took 2i.u.s a day and his nose got thicker. then i have this friend from china who was taking 12ius a day. his face was really different a year back when he wasnt taking gh.
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lol!! ;D yeah. a little facial deformity is acceptable. cos i have a friend who only took 2i.u.s a day and his nose got thicker. then i have this friend from china who was taking 12ius a day. his face was really different a year back when he wasnt taking gh.
Pics?
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True.
A friend of mine has a script for GH, he pays $14 per IU.
GOOD Generics run around $2-3 per IU, but you better know your source.
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Ya, most health insurance won't cover it :( I get coverage with my plan for test, deca, nolvadex, t3 and some other goodies but don't get coverage for HGH, clomid and HCG for some strange reason !? when I got a script from my doc for GH, Humatrope by Lilly, the cost for a 120iu kit came out to $2400.00 :)
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Ya, most health insurance won't cover it :( I get coverage with my plan for test, deca, nolvadex, t3 and some other goodies but don't get coverage for HGH, clomid and HCG for some strange reason !? when I got a script from my doc for GH, Humatrope by Lilly, the cost for a 120iu kit came out to $2400.00 :)
Daaaaamn! That is pricey. I'm still waiting for a referral to your doctor my friend! At the very least he must have a colleague in my city.
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Ya, most health insurance won't cover it :( I get coverage with my plan for test, deca, nolvadex, t3 and some other goodies but don't get coverage for HGH, clomid and HCG for some strange reason !? when I got a script from my doc for GH, Humatrope by Lilly, the cost for a 120iu kit came out to $2400.00 :)
Those ridiculous prices aren't surprising. That's the price you pay when you do things legit. It's a shame that it's so damn expensive. Hopefully by the time I'm on HRT it'll be a lot cheaper.
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I just started my GH gained 4lbs this week. Love it. Fuller , bigger, crazy pumps...
The best part of it is started dieting and I gained the 4lbs in a week while dieting.
It always surprises me when I read guys say that they dont think GH works well?! It blows me away every time I use it. It add such great qualities to a physique.
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I just started my GH gained 4lbs this week. Love it. Fuller , bigger, crazy pumps...
The best part of it is started dieting and I gained the 4lbs in a week while dieting.
It always surprises me when I read guys say that they dont think GH works well?! It blows me away every time I use it. It add such great qualities to a physique.
How many Iu's a day are you using and what brand did you get?
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Those ridiculous prices aren't surprising. That's the price you pay when you do things legit. It's a shame that it's so damn expensive. Hopefully by the time I'm on HRT it'll be a lot cheaper.
HRT is worth it, young dustin.
DIV
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HRT is worth it, young dustin.
DIV
I'm confident that 20 years from now the price will be brought down substantially. I have no worries. :)
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I just started my GH gained 4lbs this week. Love it. Fuller , bigger, crazy pumps...
The best part of it is started dieting and I gained the 4lbs in a week while dieting.
It always surprises me when I read guys say that they dont think GH works well?! It blows me away every time I use it. It add such great qualities to a physique.
Yeah, 6 IU per day has added quite a bit of muscle over the last couple of months. It's the first time I've used it in conjuction with insulin, T3 and Anabolics, so I guess it shocked my body. I'm up to 218 from around 205 and just as lean if not leaner.
How do you guys address the water retention from GH? I still have a little in my hands and face.
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Im using blue tops...
Ive used Genotropin before and various other brands. I find the generic blue tops I get work great. At 1/3 of the price.
You cant address the water retention. Youll see when you stop the gh about a week or two later your drop the water weight. See how lean you look then 8)
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Yeah, 6 IU per day has added quite a bit of muscle over the last couple of months. It's the first time I've used it in conjuction with insulin, T3 and Anabolics, so I guess it shocked my body. I'm up to 218 from around 205 and just as lean if not leaner.
How do you guys address the water retention from GH? I still have a little in my hands and face.
is the size of your head growing yet? lol