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After this election, can we stop federal funds to ACORN? They have proved to be a partial and corrupt entity. Regardless if its the administration, the workers or a combination of both, this organization lacks integrity and discipline.
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They should be free to exist on private and corporate contributions. The federal gov should not support a partisan political organization, particularly one that has proven to be dishonest.
If it was an organization promoting a right wing agenda, I'd feel the same. We cannot support this with federal funds. ACORN has proven, at very least, they cannot control their workers and they are unwiling or unable to prevent voter registration fraud (I think it goes higher then just the workers).
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I'll agree with ending federal funding unless I'm missing something, someone else can add if I am. But I think the acorn vote fraud thing is mostly made up by the republicans.
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Its hard to take the spin out but I have heard from credible officials verifying the voter fraud. You can't discredit the actual people that came forward and admitted fault (or as in Cleveland, some guy admitted to registering nearly 70 times, he was on the local news). There are also reports of small bribes
Ultimately, I believe it will only lead to few fraudulent votes...but still, the government can't fund an organization that doesn't police itself appropriately.
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Its hard to take the spin out but I have heard from credible officials verifying the voter fraud. You can't discredit the actual people that came forward and admitted fault (or as in Cleveland, some guy admitted to registering nearly 70 times, he was on the local news). There are also reports of small bribes
Ultimately, I believe it will only lead to few fraudulent votes...but still, the government can't fund an organization that doesn't police itself appropriately.
but, acorn itself was trying to weed out and report these guys and I don't think any significant votes would have come from it... The biggest portion of the problem looks to be people putting in bogus registrations to collect money. I don't think the list of names and bogus info would have worked at the poll. Maybe they should make it illegal to pay people to collect registrations per registration. anyway, I don't think this was organized fraud by the organization.
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ACORN does not receive federal funding.
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ACORN does not receive federal funding.
It takes private money that was donate to Hussein that then transferred it to them to help them pay off people to create this mess.
Follow the money trial, it have the strongest scent!
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Follow the money trial, it have the strongest scent!
Who are you, Tarzan?
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Who are you, Tarzan?
Great comeback ::)
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Great comeback ::)
I thought it worked on a couple of different levels.
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I thought it worked on a couple of different levels.
You also think that Hussein is a good candidate so.... ::)
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It takes private money that was donate to Hussein that then transferred it to them to help them pay off people to create this mess.
Follow the money trial, it have the strongest scent!
The thread starter is erroneously asking us to somehow put an end to federal funding for ACORN.
A lot of republican bigwigs pretended to call for the same thing, but it was just another part of the scheme to create a story where there wasn't one.
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ACORN does not receive federal funding.
Rep. Boehner disagrees with you.
“All federal funding to ACORN must be stopped,” House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) said on Thursday, amid a widening probe into voter registration fraud by the liberal group. . . . Boehner is one of many people who believe the group has broken the law to promote its left-wing agenda. He says it happened, even as ACORN received “millions” of taxpayer dollars through various federal programs and third-party groups.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=37232
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ACORN does not receive federal funding.
THEY GET ABOUT 2 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR FROM FEDERAL FUNDING.
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ACORN is not corrupt. ACORN did not try to commit voter fraud. ACORN paid people to collect names. Like with other petition signing efforts, the workers get paid by the number of names they turn in. A few of those people turned in fake names. Those fake names would have never resulted in fake votes, because there was no one to go vote using those names.
ACORN knew some of the names were suspicious, but ACORN is required by law to turn in all signatures. Only the local voter registration office can determine whether a signature is valid. ACORN flagged the signatures they believed to be suspect. ACORN has always cooperated fully with local registration offices.
this whole thing is a non-issue
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ACORN is not corrupt. ACORN did not try to commit voter fraud. ACORN paid people to collect names. Like with other petition signing efforts, the workers get paid by the number of names they turn in. A few of those people turned in fake names. Those fake names would have never resulted in fake votes, because there was no one to go vote using those names.
ACORN knew some of the names were suspicious, but ACORN is required by law to turn in all signatures. Only the local voter registration office can determine whether a signature is valid. ACORN flagged the signatures they believed to be suspect. ACORN has always cooperated fully with local registration offices.
this whole thing is a non-issue
Plus in Miami in 2006, McCain did an event for ACORN and talked about how important their work was.
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After this election, can we stop federal funds to ACORN? They have proved to be a partial and corrupt entity. Regardless if its the administration, the workers or a combination of both, this organization lacks integrity and discipline.
No they didnt, they cant help that peope they hired on the lowest level cheated them.
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No they didnt, they cant help that peope they hired on the lowest level cheated them.
LMAO!
Sure....it happen THOUSANDS of times with names like MICKEY MOUSE on ballads and they just didn't know ::)
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Sure....it happen THOUSANDS of times with names like MICKEY MOUSE on ballads and they just didn't know ::)
as was pointed out above, they're required by law to turn in every application given to them. they flagged the ones they thought were bogus, but it is up to the local registrar to make the final decision.
and they weren't ballots. they were applications. Micky Mouse would still have to prove he was who he said he was to turn in a ballot.
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LMAO!
Sure....it happen THOUSANDS of times with names like MICKEY MOUSE on ballads and they just didn't know ::)
First of all it is spelled 'ballot'
Secondly, what do you care. Even Mccain isn't concerned about Mickey. "He has it on good authority the big rat is a Republican anyhow" :D
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First of all it is spelled 'ballot'
Secondly, what do you care. Even Mccain isn't concerned about Mickey. "He has it on good authority the big rat is a Republican anyhow" :D
Wow I misspelled a word....happens when you speak more than one language, I expected a Canadian to know that ::)
Registration fraud is the first part of voting fraud...anyone who deny it must think the sky is pink and the sun is actually Obama standing on a ladder.
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LMAO!
Sure....it happen THOUSANDS of times with names like MICKEY MOUSE on ballads and they just didn't know ::)
Would you describe yourself as semi-literate or semi-illiterate?
I guess I want to know if you're a pessimist or optimist.
"follow the paper trial, it have the strongest scent". I can't remember who it was that asked if you were Tarzan, but man was that a funny comment. It went completely over your head, of course, but it was hillarious.
People like you make me want to add an intelligence test as a pre-requisite for voting.
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"Maybe they should make it illegal to pay people to collect registrations per registration."
I agree with this as it could solve most of the issue at hand.
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If you don't agree there is voter registration fraud, then you are blind. This has already been proven in multiple states. The workers and registrants have publically admitted it....so it absolutely is an issue.
I don't understand the details of funding, but ACORN does receive federal dollars. I believe its through third parties that receive direct federal dollars. nonetheless, no federal funds should be supporting that organization because they have a partisan agenda. Totally inappropriate.
The fraud may not be organized from the people at the top, but group leaders and the street workers themself have proven to be corrupt and partisan, including bribing people for multiple registrations so they get paid more. Its ridiculous. Ultimately, it is ACORN's fault because they are directing, hiring, and make the rules of the process. Its appropriate that they are turning in some fraudulent registrations (I doubt they catch all of them) but it doesn't correct the underlying problem in their organization. They have been under investigation the past several election cycles. They can't control their workers apparently...or aren't trying hard enough to do so.
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Would you describe yourself as semi-literate or semi-illiterate?
I guess I want to know if you're a pessimist or optimist.
"follow the paper trial, it have the strongest scent". I can't remember who it was that asked if you were Tarzan, but man was that a funny comment. It went completely over your head, of course, but it was hillarious.
People like you make me want to add an intelligence test as a pre-requisite for voting.
Damn I don't have your approval :'( ::)
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"Maybe they should make it illegal to pay people to collect registrations per registration."
I agree with this as it could solve most of the issue at hand.
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If you don't agree there is voter registration fraud, then you are blind. This has already been proven in multiple states. The workers and registrants have publically admitted it....so it absolutely is an issue.
I don't understand the details of funding, but ACORN does receive federal dollars. I believe its through third parties that receive direct federal dollars. nonetheless, no federal funds should be supporting that organization because they have a partisan agenda. Totally inappropriate.
The fraud may not be organized from the people at the top, but group leaders and the street workers themself have proven to be corrupt and partisan, including bribing people for multiple registrations so they get paid more. Its ridiculous. Ultimately, it is ACORN's fault because they are directing, hiring, and make the rules of the process. Its appropriate that they are turning in some fraudulent registrations (I doubt they catch all of them) but it doesn't correct the underlying problem in their organization. They have been under investigation the past several election cycles. They can't control their workers apparently...or aren't trying hard enough to do so.
You know what I love, they claim that they have to file every registration so it's not their fault...well...around 400K of fraudulent registration forms don't get filled in one day, they had plenty of time to stop it WAY before shit hit the fan.
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You also think that Hussein is a good candidate so.... ::)
Not my first choice but he's so obviously more suited for office than his competition that your little eyeroll is nonsensical.
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Rep. Boehner disagrees with you.
“All federal funding to ACORN must be stopped,” House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) said on Thursday, amid a widening probe into voter registration fraud by the liberal group. . . . Boehner is one of many people who believe the group has broken the law to promote its left-wing agenda. He says it happened, even as ACORN received “millions” of taxpayer dollars through various federal programs and third-party groups.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=37232
Yes and as I stated in my previous post, he's an oppurtunistic liar.
From the ACORN website:
http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=17857&tx_irfaq_pi1[showUid]=161&tx_irfaq_pi1[back]=P2lkPTE3ODU3&cHash=3b5f677fec
"The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now does not apply for nor does it receive any federal grants. "
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Yes and as I stated in my previous post, he's an oppurtunistic liar.
From the ACORN website:
http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=17857&tx_irfaq_pi1[showUid]=161&tx_irfaq_pi1[back]=P2lkPTE3ODU3&cHash=3b5f677fec
"The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now does not apply for nor does it receive any federal grants. "
Citing the ACORN website as authority? Is there something else that disputes Boehner's contention that "ACORN received 'millions' of taxpayer dollars through various federal programs and third-party groups"?
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Not my first choice but he's so obviously more suited for office than his competition that your little eyeroll is nonsensical.
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Citing the ACORN website as authority? Is there something else that disputes Boehner's contention that "ACORN received 'millions' of taxpayer dollars through various federal programs and third-party groups"?
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