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I'm watching this episode on tv. link is in post 2
this is CTer material :D they brought up the V.Tech shootings, you think the government plants these "nutjobs" to take guns away from regular people??
the woman on the show is nutty.
It's a bit long but worth the watch!
After Pia learned that her friend had been killed by a schizophrenic man wielding a gun in 1996, she became a gun control advocate who has fought to pass stricter gun laws in the U.S. Pia believes that the world would be free from gun violence only by prohibiting the sale of guns to anyone outside of law enforcement and armed services.
For 30 Days, Pia will live in the heart of gun culture in the rural town of Leesburg, Ohio with gun enthusiast Ken Ekermeyer, 39, and his 15-year-old son Zach. Ken is an avid gun collector and rarely leaves home without his gun strapped to his side. Ken believes carrying a gun is his right guaranteed to every American by the Second Amendment. As Pia struggles to understand the Ekermeyer's beliefs and somewhat isolated way of life, she will work at a local gun store and experience what it is like to carry a gun in public, learn to handle and fire weapons and will introduce Ken to other gun control activists who have lost loved ones to gun violence.
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here it is
http://splodetv.com/video/30-days-gun-nation-episode (http://splodetv.com/video/30-days-gun-nation-episode)
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ive seen it ya she has pyschological issues, she stated that she went to a therapist and if i remember correctly her therapist was shot by somebody.
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I heard that she did a radio interview a year later and her views still had not changed. Pathetic.
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do you really need guns? Is crime that bad/widespread in America that every citizen feels the need to own a gun just to feel safe at night?
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do you really need guns? Is crime that bad/widespread in America that every citizen feels the need to own a gun just to feel safe at night?
I think you're all missing the point.
With what we've seen over the past 8 years, I have done a complete 180 on gun control.
I say Americans...Keep your guns! you're gonna need them. not so much to protect yourselves from the local crackhead who may want to steal your stuff (although it may come in handy for those occassions), but keep your guns and know how to use them for the purpose that right was put into your constitution, ...to defend your nation against it's enemies (both foreign & domestic)
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I think you're all missing the point.
With what we've seen over the past 8 years, I have done a complete 180 on gun control.
I say Americans...Keep your guns! you're gonna need them. not so much to protect yourselves from the local crackhead who may want to steal your stuff (although it may come in handy for those occassions), but keep your guns and know how to use them for the purpose that right was put into your constitution, ...to defend your nation against it's enemies (both foreign & domestic)
agreed but just wait if your savior gets in he will undoubtely try and take them away.
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do you really need guns? Is crime that bad/widespread in America that every citizen feels the need to own a gun just to feel safe at night?
i guess it just depends, will the majority of ppl ever need to use a gun in self defense? no probably not
but like the saying goes id rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it.
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agreed but just wait if your savior gets in he will undoubtely try and take them away.
Naw, ...Obama is too smart for that. The only reason a gov fears an armed citizenry is not due to the criminal activity that comes with it, ...it's because of the curtailment of criminal activity they'll be capable of with an armed citizenry. As far as I know, ...the only time the gov went door to door to seize the guns of law abiding American citizens occured on Bush's watch. Governments don't like citizens with guns cause they're harder to fuvk with. Obama isn't looking to screw the people, ...he's looking to give the government back to the people.
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do you really need guns? Is crime that bad/widespread in America that every citizen feels the need to own a gun just to feel safe at night?
Gun owners are another check on the government, that's always a good thing.
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I say Americans...Keep your guns! you're gonna need them. not so much to protect yourselves from the local crackhead who may want to steal your stuff (although it may come in handy for those occassions), but keep your guns and know how to use them for the purpose that right was put into your constitution, ...to defend your nation against it's enemies (both foreign & domestic)
Exactly!
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As far as I know, ...the only time the gov went door to door to seize the guns of law abiding American citizens occured on Bush's watch.
EXACTLY!
You're on the ball today jag! 8)
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Naw, ...Obama is too smart for that. The only reason a gov fears an armed citizenry is not due to the criminal activity that comes with it, ...it's because of the curtailment of criminal activity they'll be capable of with an armed citizenry. As far as I know, ...the only time the gov went door to door to seize the guns of law abiding American citizens occured on Bush's watch. Governments don't like citizens with guns cause they're harder to fuvk with. Obama isn't looking to screw the people, ...he's looking to give the government back to the people.
wrong federal assault rifle ban was passed while clinton was in office...ill give you pennies to pesos that he will try and take away gun rights. If you actually listen to his speeches and not just nod your head in agreement then you might understand or looked at his record on the subject. He is incredible anti gun and anti second ammendment for somebody to disagree and take the opposite stance shows how ignorant that person is on this subject.
how is he looking to give government back to the ppl jag?
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Seriously... do any of you think he can really ban guns?
Really?
Do you realize how many Democrats believe in guns?
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Seriously... do any of you think he can really ban guns?
Really?
Do you realize how many Democrats believe in guns?
im not saying he will try and take all guns away from us but he will undoubtedly try and take some gun rights away from the public. Do you really think that he wont try and take away gun rights?
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im not saying he will try and take all guns away from us but he will undoubtedly try and take some gun rights away from the public. Do you really think that he wont try and take away gun rights?
I don't think it will matter... There are far too many people on both sides who will not support more gun rights being removed.
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I'm torn on the guns issue.
I either don't give a fuck...
Or,
I could give a shit less.
I'm still making up my mind on this issue.
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I don't think it will matter... There are far too many people on both sides who will not support more gun rights being removed.
LOL so with the most liberal president in history with a liberal senate you dont think that he will succeed in passing anti gun bills?
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I'm torn on the guns issue.
I either don't give a fuck...
Or,
I could give a shit less.
I'm still making up my mind on this issue.
let me guess decker you dont own a gun? LOL ::) of course its a non issue for ppl that dont believe in gun rights.
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LOL so with the most liberal president in history with a liberal senate you dont think that he will succeed in passing anti gun bills?
No... I don't... How can you say he's "the most liberal?"
What amazingly liberal pieces of legislation has he written?
Also, what is so wrong about being socially liberal? How does being liberal equate to not liking guns.
I'm as socially liberal as you can be... I'm all for gay marriage, abortion, legalizing most drugs as well as prostitution.
You can't get my guns though... Because I believe in the 2nd amendment.
So by what standard does liberal = gun control?
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No... I don't... How can you say he's "the most liberal?"
What amazingly liberal pieces of legislation has he written?
Also, what is so wrong about being socially liberal? How does being liberal equate to not liking guns.
I'm as socially liberal as you can be... I'm all for gay marriage, abortion, legalizing most drugs as well as prostitution.
You can't get my guns though... Because I believe in the 2nd amendment.
So by what standard does liberal = gun control?
LOL well voting with the democratic party 100% of the time makes you liberal does it not?
http://www.gunowners.org/pres08/obama.htm
dude this is just one link type in obama and guns and see his stances for yourself he is staunchely anti gun.
which president passed the assault rifle ban? which party is it that raised taxes on ammo and wants to raise them again? LOL bro for the most part your arguements are pretty good and based in logic but your wrong on this one man do some research.
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LOL well voting with the democratic party 100% of the makes you liberal does it not?
http://www.gunowners.org/pres08/obama.htm
dude this is just one link type in obama and guns and see his stances for yourself he is staunchely anti gun.
which president passed the assault rifle ban? which party is it that raised taxes on ammo and wants to raise them again? LOL bro for the most part your arguements are pretty good and based in logic but your wrong on this one man do some research.
I understand where you're coming from and that is a problem I have with Obama himself, however, I do not believe he will "get the guns" as people seem to believe.
As with anything he will have to get things passed and I don't believe that enough Dems are going to give him "the guns".
Maybe I'm wrong, but I certainly hope not...
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I understand where you're coming from and that is a problem I have with Obama himself, however, I do not believe he will "get the guns" as people seem to believe.
As with anything he will have to get things passed and I don't believe that enough Dems are going to give him "the guns".
Maybe I'm wrong, but I certainly hope not...
again im not saying he will outlaw guns but he will enact legislation against guns. semi automatics, assault rifles, sub machine guns, and concealed carry permits and the places that you can and cant carry.
Of course he wont be able to take guns away but to think that he wont try and enact some sort of legislation that will take away gun rights to some extent is ignorant he has made his stance very clear.
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again im not saying he will outlaw guns but he will enact legislation against guns. semi automatics, assault rifles, sub machine guns, and concealed carry permits and the places that you can and cant carry.
Of course he wont be able to take guns away but to think that he wont try and enact some sort of legislation that will take away gun rights to some extent is ignorant he has made his stance very clear.
Again, he may try... But, in the grand scheme of things, if he does try and fail at enacting that legislation because the people and their representatives don't agree with it, is it the largest problem this country faces?
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Again, he may try... But, in the grand scheme of things, if he does try and fail at enacting that legislation because the people and their representatives don't agree with it, is it the largest problem this country faces?
LOL do you remember any of the past gun restrictions and gun bans that have been passed in this country? You act like this has never happend before.
LOL does the fact that the country have bigger problems facing it make this a non issue?
The economy will be fine in the long run, it will stabilize and after 2 yrs or so taxes will get raised no matter who gets in. Iraq is pretty much a non issue thanks to the great job our troops are doing and afghanistan is the next step. Whoever gets in has the first 2 yrs or so of their presidency accounted for excluding some natural disaster or another 9/11.
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let me guess decker you dont own a gun? LOL ::) of course its a non issue for ppl that dont believe in gun rights.
I got a gun. I just don't love guns.
And part of my free time is spent laughing at paranoid delusionals that think they and their little popguns are all that stand between freedom and a tyrannical government enslaving us all.
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I think you're all missing the point.
With what we've seen over the past 8 years, I have done a complete 180 on gun control.
I say Americans...Keep your guns! you're gonna need them. not so much to protect yourselves from the local crackhead who may want to steal your stuff (although it may come in handy for those occassions), but keep your guns and know how to use them for the purpose that right was put into your constitution, ...to defend your nation against it's enemies (both foreign & domestic)
I already stocked up in view of the fact that if Obama wins, Pelosi and Reid will force him to sign draconian gun laws.
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I got a gun. I just don't love guns.
And part of my free time is spent laughing at paranoid delusionals that think they and their little popguns are all that stand between freedom and a tyrannical government enslaving us all.
what kind of gun do you have decker? Let me guess a 9mm pistol?
LOL well some of us actually use our guns, I hunt, skeet shoot and enjoy just shooting guns...Im not at all worried about the government enslaving us you bringing that up in this arguement shows how truly ignorant you are on the subject.
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what kind of gun do you have decker? Let me guess a 9mm pistol?
LOL well some of us actually use our guns, I hunt, skeet shoot and enjoy just shooting guns...Im not at all worried about the government enslaving us you bringing that up in this arguement shows how truly ignorant you are on the subject.
It's a 25 caliber handgun. I've never fired it though.
I'm glad you can fill your time with such worthwhile activities like terrorizing woodland creatures and shooting skeet...and just shooting. Time well spent I'm sure.
Take a look at your rightwing brethren survivalists...hell, just go to any militia open meeting and tell me again that gun nuts don't believe they are the last line of defense to freedom in the USA.
http://www.mathaba.net/www/militia/index.shtml
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It's a 25 caliber handgun. I've never fired it though.
I'm glad you can fill your time with such worthwhile activities like terrorizing woodland creatures and shooting skeet...and just shooting. Time well spent I'm sure.
Take a look at your rightwing brethren survivalists...hell, just go to any militia open meeting and tell me again that gun nuts don't believe they are the last line of defense to freedom in the USA.
http://www.mathaba.net/www/militia/index.shtml
LOL i never said that there arent ppl out there that believe this stuff but they are a fraction of the gun enthusiast in this country and for you to assign their beliefs to me just b/c i own and enjoy guns is IGNORANT. There are plenty of left wing nuts like peta and just b/c somebody wants better conditions for cows that get milked doesnt mean that they align themselves with the far left crowd in peta wouldnt you agree?
LOL you demean my hobbies but im sure yours are just as worthwhile. ::)
so you own a gun but have never fired it, why do you own it? this is a serious question and why a .25 caliber?
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LOL i never said that there arent ppl out there that believe this stuff but they are a fraction of the gun enthusiast in this country and for you to assign their beliefs to me just b/c i own and enjoy guns is IGNORANT. There are plenty of left wing nuts like peta and just b/c somebody wants better conditions for cows that get milked doesnt mean that they align themselves with the far left crowd in peta wouldnt you agree?
I know all about the hunter sportsman. I grew up and live in Wisconsin. You can't get through grade school without taking a hunter safety course.
LOL you demean my hobbies but im sure yours are just as worthwhile. ::)
I paint, sculpt, write poetry and music. I'm joking here.
so you own a gun but have never fired it, why do you own it? this is a serious question and why a .25 caliber?
I've never bought a gun in my life. It was given to me by a very good friend...my namesake in fact. In January of 2003, for whatever reason, he shot himself to death.
I have no use for guns. I know others do. I just haven't figured out the sport side of that equation yet.
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I know all about the hunter sportsman. I grew up and live in Wisconsin. You can't get through grade school without taking a hunter safety course.
I've never bought a gun in my life. It was given to me by a very good friend...my namesake in fact. In January of 2003, for whatever reason, he shot himself to death.
I have no use for guns. I know others do. I just haven't figured out the sport side of that equation yet.
Is that why you assume that all ppl who enjoy guns are survivalist? or was that just an ignorant comment?
why keep it if you dont intend to use it if it is required?
the sport side isnt the only side...
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Is that why you assume that all ppl who enjoy guns are survivalist? or was that just an ignorant comment?
why keep it if you dont intend to use it if it is required?
the sport side isnt the only side...
Are you a paranoid delusional who thinks all that stands btn a tyrannical government and freedom is his gun?
apparently you are that person b/c you are taking up that side of the argument with me.
Take your wrongly paraphrased argument of mine and go somewhere else b/c you are essentially arguing with yourself.
I keep the gun around to remind me of the insanity that such a weapon of destruction can bring. It's a killing machine. If families want to start teaching 'responsible' gun use to their stripling children, that's their business. I think it's a profound waste of time. But that's me. I think a well-armed society is what we had in the Old West.
I don't need it in my life like the gun nuts do.
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Are you a paranoid delusional who thinks all that stands btn a tyrannical government and freedom is his gun?
apparently you are that person b/c you are taking up that side of the argument with me.
Take your wrongly paraphrased argument of mine and go somewhere else b/c you are essentially arguing with yourself.
I keep the gun around to remind me of the insanity that such a weapon of destruction can bring. It's a killing machine. If families want to start teaching 'responsible' gun use to their stripling children, that's their business. I think it's a profound waste of time. But that's me. I think a well-armed society is what we had in the Old West.
I don't need it in my life like the gun nuts do.
Go on youtube and look at the clips of the Koreans defending their stores with rifles and handguns from the savages in LA in 1992 rioting and looting.
Guess what stores were never looted or burned to the ground by the barbarians???????????
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Go on youtube and look at the clips of the Koreans defending their stores with rifles and handguns from the savages in LA in 1992 rioting and looting.
Guess what stores were never looted or burned to the ground by the barbarians???????????
What the hell do I care what Korean store owners do?
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Are you a paranoid delusional who thinks all that stands btn a tyrannical government and freedom is his gun?
apparently you are that person b/c you are taking up that side of the argument with me.
Take your wrongly paraphrased argument of mine and go somewhere else b/c you are essentially arguing with yourself.
I keep the gun around to remind me of the insanity that such a weapon of destruction can bring. It's a killing machine. If families want to start teaching 'responsible' gun use to their stripling children, that's their business. I think it's a profound waste of time. But that's me. I think a well-armed society is what we had in the Old West.
I don't need it in my life like the gun nuts do.
LOL so anybody who uses a gun or enjoys guns is a gun nut? im just trying to understand how i got lumped into the right wing the government is coming to get us category other than those attributes being projected on to me by a person who has gun issues such as yourself.
all in all you do fall into the first category i put you in, of course you dont care about gun issues b/c its a non issue for you not b/c its a non issue for the country.
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What the hell do I care what Korean store owners do?
You should care if you own anything, like a home or a business which obviously you do not, because you can see that guns are the ultimate equalizer to tyranny, thieves, looters, and criminals looking to harm your property and family.
Those Koreans sent a message to the "community" that next time the looters and barbarians will know NOT where to riot.
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LOL so anybody who uses a gun or enjoys guns is a gun nut? im just trying to understand how i got lumped into the right wing the government is coming to get us category other than those attributes being projected on to me by a person who has gun issues such as yourself.
all in all you do fall into the first category i put you in, of course you dont care about gun issues b/c its a non issue for you not b/c its a non issue for the country.
I can't make you comprehend the words that I type.
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You should care if you own anything, like a home or a business which obviously you do not, because you can see that guns are the ultimate equalizer to tyranny, thieves, looters, and criminals looking to harm your property and family.
Those Koreans sent a message to the "community" that next time the looters and barbarians will know NOT where to riot.
That's what cops and insurance are for.
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That's what cops and insurance are for.
Dumbest post of the year.
The cops do not prevent crime, they respond to it. The cops did not protect the property in LA and lets the sotres burn and be looted.
You truly have a mental disorder if you think the cops are going to protect you in the event of a riot. By law they have NO responsibility to you individually to protect you.
You have the typical liberal nanny-state mentality, let someone take care of your problems, let someone else pay your way, let someone else protect you, let someone else clean up your mess.
If you owned a store you worked your whole life to establish you would not let a bunch of savages come along and loot it for the taking.
But then again, liberals are typically not owners of anything, just takers and people looking for the govt to take from others to give it to the cry babies of society.
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Dumbest post of the year.
The cops do not prevent crime, they respond to it. The cops did not protect the property in LA and lets the sotres burn and be looted.
So any joker packing heat stops a crime before it starts? Do you think through your positions? I think not.
You truly have a mental disorder if you think the cops are going to protect you in the event of a riot. By law they have NO responsibility to you individually to protect you.
Yeah. A riot. in Green Bay Wisconsin.
"To Protect and Serve"...just what the hell are you talking about? Police have an extra duty to Protect and Serve.
You have the typical liberal nanny-state mentality, let someone take care of your problems, let someone else pay your way, let someone else protect you, let someone else clean up your mess.
I pay my taxes and insurance premiums.
Do you pray for a riot in your area so that it unleashes the pistol packing hero that residies in your innerself?
If you owned a store you worked your whole life to establish you would not let a bunch of savages come along and loot it for the taking.
I don't own a store. But I'll keep an eye out for savages.
But then again, liberals are typically not owners of anything, just takers and people looking for the govt to take from others to give it to the cry babies of society.
Yes. Right wing lunatics are the true producers in this world and any liberal is really a communist parasite.
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But then again, liberals are typically not owners of anything, just takers and people looking for the govt to take from others to give it to the cry babies of society.
Yes, those millions of dollars all of the Hollywood actors get are not their own... They just stole them.
::)
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Yes, those millions of dollars all of the Hollywood actors get are not their own... They just stole them.
::)
The guarantee you almost every one of those hollywood liberals has at least shotgun in the home after what happened in 1992.
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So any joker packing heat stops a crime before it starts? Do you think through your positions? I think not.
Yeah. A riot. in Green Bay Wisconsin.
"To Protect and Serve"...just what the hell are you talking about? Police have an extra duty to Protect and Serve.
I pay my taxes and insurance premiums.
Do you pray for a riot in your area so that it unleashes the pistol packing hero that residies in your innerself?
I don't own a store. But I'll keep an eye out for savages.
Yes. Right wing lunatics are the true producers in this world and any liberal is really a communist parasite.
You are so delusional. You live in the sticks in an all white, little house on the prairie part of the country. I live in the Bronx and remember when Dinkins was mayor and the crown heights riots which were started over a stupid car accident.
Look it up, the police have a collective duty to the public, not an individual duty to you personally. I am not kidding, a police officer could literally watch you get shot, not do a damn thing about it, and not get sued.
They do not have an obligation to protect you individually. Look it up. I am willing to bet 10k on it.
BTW - who the heck are you to tell someone who spent years building a store to let it burn to ground so some savages can get a free tv so long as he is going to get an insurance check????
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The guarantee you almost every one of those hollywood liberals has at least shotgun in the home after what happened in 1992.
I hope so... I have 3, plus a .45 and a .357, not to mention various hunting rifles.
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I hope so... I have 3, plus a .45 and a .357, not to mention various hunting rifles.
We should compare notes. If there is a riot in the hood where I am, the friendly neighbors know where to come.
Anyone who thinks things in this country cannot become unhinged in a very short period of time only need to look at the 1992 riots, Katrina, the 1960's riots, etc.
If we ever have a major depression, natural disaster, or famine, everyone will be looking to become armed.
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We should compare notes. If there is a riot in the hood where I am, the friendly neighbors know where to come.
Anyone who thinks things in this country cannot become unhinged in a very short period of time only need to look at the 1992 riots, Katrina, the 1960's riots, etc.
If we ever have a major depression, natural disaster, or famine, everyone will be looking to become armed.
I agree... The 2nd amendment should be preserved at all costs.
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I can't make you comprehend the words that I type.
::) LOL b/c they actually make sense and show you to be an ignorant dumb ass?
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I agree... The 2nd amendment should be preserved at all costs.
People dont realize how quickly we can all descend into chaos by some unforseen event.
Anyone who thinks the cops are going to protect them in the times of chaos are delusional.
I disagree with the NRA on one thing though - I believe in mandatory range training. Everyone who has a gun should know exactly how to use it and should always brush up on their skills just in case.
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People dont realize how quickly we can all descend into chaos by some unforseen event.
Anyone who thinks the cops are going to protect them in the times of chaos are delusional.
I disagree with the NRA on one thing though - I believe in mandatory range training. Everyone who has a gun should know exactly how to use it and should always brush up on their skills just in case.
couldnt agree more if you dont know how to safely handle a gun and have the ability to hit what you are aiming at you should not be allowed to own a gun.