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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Veteran_Lifter on October 26, 2008, 11:59:06 AM
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What is going to happen to these pros?
Some, like Melvin Anthony and Darrem Charles, have hearts intended to pump blood for about 165 pounds, maybe 180 or so if they were into natural bodybuilding. Even some of the "taller" pros like Dennis Wolf are not really intended to walk around at more than 180 or so (210 with natural bodybuilding maybe).
Check this out:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=36276
http://www.publishwebeasy.com/2008/health-fitness/10/bodybuilding-legends-what-is-the-future-for-bodybuilders-part-3
Discuss.
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whos that lovely pig?
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oh but Steroids are not harmful ::)
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I posted this on here because I didn't want to post it on one of the delusional boards like MD or mayhem where all of the juice pigs are in denial.
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Yeah bodybuilders are not normal human beings and can't have physical problems. If they do they physical problems it's always the roids. If a "normal" person has a physical problem it's always the genetics ::)
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Yeah bodybuilders are not normal human beings and can't have physical problems. If they do they physical problems it's always the roids. If a "normal" person has a physical problem it's always the genetics ::)
Hi Greg Kovacs.
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Hi Greg Kovacs.
Hell no.
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Hell no.
Yeah but I take it that you use lots of gas and will soon have a heart attack from using gas and rationalize your behaviour.
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id love to jam my penise in that hole.
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id love to jam my penise in that hole.
It would be great wouldn't it ;D
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Professional bodybuilding is a tiny subculture of a sport yet the major health problems that occur is brushed off as bad genetics. This is the rationalization of a drug user.
You can't use steroids, diuretics, insulin, gh, speed, anti estrogens, LH hormones and oil inject and say it's not a major risk to health.
One thing that's for sure. All these muscle marvels on stage and in your gyms look like crap in less than six short months off of drugs.
This "sport" attracts a lot of insecure boys that will do anything to be a man including risking health. Train natural. At least you will look good year after year. These steroid guys do cycles on and off for a rough average of 10 years before health, law, or finances get the better of them. Also don't take any training advice off a user. Let them give you advice when they are off. Believe me you wouldn't take advice off many of these guys seeing how they truly look.
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Professional bodybuilding is a tiny subculture of a sport yet the major health problems that occur is brushed off as bad genetics. This is the rationalization of a drug user.
You can't use steroids, diuretics, insulin, gh, speed, anti estrogens, LH hormones and oil inject and say it's not a major risk to health.
One thing that's for sure. All these muscle marvels on stage and in your gyms look like crap in less than six short months off of drugs.
This "sport" attracts a lot of insecure boys that will do anything to be a man including risking health. Train natural. At least you will look good year after year. These steroid guys do cycles on and off for a rough average of 10 years before health, law, or finances get the better of them. Also don't take any training advice off a user. Let them give you advice when they are off. Believe me you wouldn't take advice off many of these guys seeing how they truly look.
Exactly. No regard for laws, health, honor, pride, ethics, et cetera....
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oh but Steroids are not harmful ::)
anabolic steroids have been used by athletes for over 60 years. there has been no epidemic of health problems with the top bodybuilders of the 1940s to 1970s. the problems today are with GH and Insulin, diuretics, synthol, dnp, and lots of other drugs.
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Professional bodybuilding is a tiny subculture of a sport yet the major health problems that occur is brushed off as bad genetics. This is the rationalization of a drug user.
You can't use steroids, diuretics, insulin, gh, speed, anti estrogens, LH hormones and oil inject and say it's not a major risk to health.
One thing that's for sure. All these muscle marvels on stage and in your gyms look like crap in less than six short months off of drugs.
This "sport" attracts a lot of insecure boys that will do anything to be a man including risking health. Train natural. At least you will look good year after year. These steroid guys do cycles on and off for a rough average of 10 years before health, law, or finances get the better of them. Also don't take any training advice off a user. Let them give you advice when they are off. Believe me you wouldn't take advice off many of these guys seeing how they truly look.
Good Post Bro ;)
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anabolic steroids have been used by athletes for over 60 years. there has been no epidemic of health problems with the top bodybuilders of the 1940s to 1970s. the problems today are with GH and Insulin, diuretics, synthol, dnp, and lots of other drugs.
What problems do you see from GH and insulin? Diuretics have killed a few but what health problems have we seen among the pros from GH and insulin?
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anabolic steroids have been used by athletes for over 60 years. there has been no epidemic of health problems with the top bodybuilders of the 1940s to 1970s. the problems today are with GH and Insulin, diuretics, synthol, dnp, and lots of other drugs.
IMO its the AI and the diuretics which really fuck guys up. of course they all have an effect but those two are pretty bad as far as health goes.
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What problems do you see from GH and insulin? Diuretics have killed a few but what health problems have we seen among the pros from GH and insulin?
gh is supposedly good for life EXTENSION and according to milos insulin will help prevent diabetes that might otherwise occur from high gi carb intake if the slin is used correctly ?
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What problems do you see from GH and insulin? Diuretics have killed a few but what health problems have we seen among the pros from GH and insulin?
Fucking about with insulin levels is one of the most dangerous things you can ever do, Diabetes et all
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Fucking about with insulin levels is one of the most dangerous things you can ever do, Diabetes et all
gh is supposedly good for life EXTENSION and according to milos insulin will help prevent diabetes that might otherwise occur from high gi carb intake if the slin is used correctly ?
\... supposed to help releave stress from the pancreas..
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gh is supposedly good for life EXTENSION and according to milos insulin will help prevent diabetes that might otherwise occur from high gi carb intake if the slin is used correctly ?
The main problem with insulin is if you get the dose wrong it can be a killer, if your blood sugar levels are in a normal range you play roulette evey time you take it
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The main problem with insulin is if you get the dose wrong it can be a killer, if your blood sugar levels are in a normal range you play roulette evey time you take it
yes... of course...
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The main problem with insulin is if you get the dose wrong it can be a killer, if your blood sugar levels are in a normal range you play roulette evey time you take it
And a lot of the guys taking Insulin dont know shit from chocolate cake, somebody says take this and thats what they do. Bodybuilders mentality.
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gh is supposedly good for life EXTENSION and according to milos insulin will help prevent diabetes that might otherwise occur from high gi carb intake if the slin is used correctly ?
I actually don't think GH is good for life extension, especially not if it's used in bodybuilding dosages or even so-called "low dosages" for fat loss. High IGF-1 shortens lifespan in animals at least - lowering IGF-1 increases lifespan. And adding insulin would only make insulin resistance from GH worse.
I'm just curious what health problems we have seen that can be linked to these drugs.
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The main problem with insulin is if you get the dose wrong it can be a killer, if your blood sugar levels are in a normal range you play roulette evey time you take it
I have seen many many bodybuilders use it and haven't seen one single emergency episode, nor heard of one among my circle of friends.
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Don't use more than 10IU. Only fast acting types like humalog/novorapid to prevent fat storage and hypo's during sleep etc.
4 weeks on, 4 weeks off. Play it safe and it will be fine.
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The main problem with insulin is if you get the dose wrong it can be a killer, if your blood sugar levels are in a normal range you play roulette evey time you take it
Bullshit, that's why we have dextrose ::)
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I have seen many many bodybuilders use it and haven't seen one single emergency episode, nor heard of one among my circle of friends.
While this may be the case for yourself, i have seen a local bb have to be rushed to hospital after having a couple of glasses of coke while on insulin. Sometimes it can be a combination of things you put in your body that can effect your blood sugar if you are taking insulin.
I agree that taken in the correct dose insulin use is usually fine however to suggest there is no risk is simply not true
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While this may be the case for yourself, i have seen a local bb have to be rushed to hospital after having a couple of glasses of coke while on insulin. Sometimes it can be a combination of things you put in your body that can effect your blood sugar if you are taking insulin.
I agree that taken in the correct dose insulin use is usually fine however to suggest there is no risk is simply not true
coke = high fructose corn syrup... is there any glucose at all in high fructose corn syrup???
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oh but Steroids are not harmful ::)
your a scared lil girl
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While this may be the case for yourself, i have seen a local bb have to be rushed to hospital after having a couple of glasses of coke while on insulin. Sometimes it can be a combination of things you put in your body that can effect your blood sugar if you are taking insulin.
I agree that taken in the correct dose insulin use is usually fine however to suggest there is no risk is simply not true
Oh the risk is there, definitely. Just isn't killing guys left and right, despite so many stupid guys using it.
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I'm just curious what health problems we have seen that can be linked to these drugs.
the start of this thread seemed to be about long term health problems with AS. since we don't seem to be having an epidemic of ironage bodybuilders dying at rates out of the ordinary, it is reasonable to consider that the large doses used in the 1960s and 1970s are not detrimental to your health.
the drugs changed in the 1990s. GH, Insulin, more diuretics, dnp, synthol, etc. what is the long term effect of those? GH is known to accelerate existing cancer. gh can cause the enlargement of the heart. insulin is known to increase visceral fat, which certainly is bad for your heart. We'll just have to wait to see how current bodybuilders age.
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\... supposed to help releave stress from the pancreas..
Thats not how it works though..your body senses that there is no need for producing insulin(over extended time) because you have introduced another source so it will start shutting down its own production , not saying it will happen over night like test shuts down when you go on the gear but it will happen..
The body adapts and is always trying to keep itself in homeostasis , it works on a feedback system..
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Does it matter?
No matter what happens to them people will keep using.
"What happens to the wannabes?" should be the real question. At lease the pros can get proper advice in most cases, quality gear, manage their off-cycle hormone levels and get regular bloodwork. A lot of people I meet or read about here are always friggin using or alternating between whatever cocktails they can get their hands on.
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Thats not how it works though..your body senses that there is no need for producing insulin(over extended time) because you have introduced another source so it will start shutting down its own production , not saying it will happen over night like test shuts down when you go on the gear but it will happen..
The body adapts and is always trying to keep itself in homeostasis , it works on a feedback system..
no sorry thats not true. there isnt one example of that ever happening. its only speculation that it might occur over time because that HAS happened with test production before. but we know that the thyroid cant be permanently altered or damaged by exopgenous thyroid and th same has been shown to be true with the pancrease and insulin production..
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no sorry thats not true. there isnt one example of that ever happening. its only speculation that it might occur over time because that HAS happened with test production before. but we know that the thyroid cant be permanently altered or damaged by exopgenous thyroid and th same has been shown to be true with the pancrease and insulin production..
Not exactly true. Insulin sensitivity can be affected. If not, millions of fatasses wouldn't be diabetics. I'm honestly too lazy to look up if the TRH feedback loop can be damaged.
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Professional bodybuilding is a tiny subculture of a sport yet the major health problems that occur is brushed off as bad genetics. This is the rationalization of a drug user.
You can't use steroids, diuretics, insulin, gh, speed, anti estrogens, LH hormones and oil inject and say it's not a major risk to health.
One thing that's for sure. All these muscle marvels on stage and in your gyms look like crap in less than six short months off of drugs.
This "sport" attracts a lot of insecure boys that will do anything to be a man including risking health. Train natural. At least you will look good year after year. These steroid guys do cycles on and off for a rough average of 10 years before health, law, or finances get the better of them. Also don't take any training advice off a user. Let them give you advice when they are off. Believe me you wouldn't take advice off many of these guys seeing how they truly look.
Good post and yes they will likely go down him after they go off and get out of the hardcore lifestyle.
But I disagree that most of them are insecure. Maybe a bit too much ego and not down to earth, but hardly insecure.
While we naturals have tweek traing regimes, lifting is lifting and some ji=uicers can have some good tips on building a body part or a how to diet for a contest , etc.
Howard
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no sorry thats not true. there isnt one example of that ever happening. its only speculation that it might occur over time because that HAS happened with test production before. but we know that the thyroid cant be permanently altered or damaged by exopgenous thyroid and th same has been shown to be true with the pancrease and insulin production..
WTF?The tyroid can so be altered or damaged by exogenous admin..Just as Insulin sensitivity is real in the real world , thats why you have type one and two diabetes..
exogenous admin over time will effect Insulin sensitivity
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WTF?The tyroid can so be altered or damaged by exogenous admin..Just as Insulin sensitivity is real in the real world , thats why you have type one and two diabetes..
exogenous admin over time will effect Insulin sensitivity
People honestly think drug use has no risks.
People should do whatever they want and can live with as long as others aren't harmed.
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People honestly think drug use has no risks.
People should do whatever they want and can live with as long as others aren't harmed.
Agree
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Professional bodybuilding is a tiny subculture of a sport yet the major health problems that occur is brushed off as bad genetics. This is the rationalization of a drug user.
You can't use steroids, diuretics, insulin, gh, speed, anti estrogens, LH hormones and oil inject and say it's not a major risk to health.
One thing that's for sure. All these muscle marvels on stage and in your gyms look like crap in less than six short months off of drugs.
This "sport" attracts a lot of insecure boys that will do anything to be a man including risking health. Train natural. At least you will look good year after year. These steroid guys do cycles on and off for a rough average of 10 years before health, law, or finances get the better of them. Also don't take any training advice off a user. Let them give you advice when they are off. Believe me you wouldn't take advice off many of these guys seeing how they truly look.
;D you got that right OldTimer...... 8)
all these guys (gym rat users)are chasin' the natty thats looks and is jacked all year round.... only getting slightly bigger year after year.... because after 5 - 10 years..... it shows....
gotta live this lifestyle.... training eating... day after day, consistant..... commitment... it's key.
Thats how one gets to be a jacked oldtimer.. :)
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Not exactly true. Insulin sensitivity can be affected. If not, millions of fatasses wouldn't be diabetics. I'm honestly too lazy to look up if the TRH feedback loop can be damaged.
yes insulin sensitivity is effected when glycogen stores are full. this is temprorary and reversible.
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yes insulin sensitivity is effected when glycogen stores are full. this is temprorary and reversible.
For lack of a better way to put it. Too much insulin can make your receptors lazy.
I'm not saying don't do it. Only that there are real risks.
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Ask Mattarazzo, Morris,Momo, Chris Dim, Andreas M and many more what they think about healthy use and abuse of BB drugs.Seems to be pretty safe by these guys. ::)
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Ask Mattarazzo, Morris,Momo, Chris Dim, Andreas M and many more what they think about healthy use and abuse of BB drugs.Seems to be pretty safe by these guys. ::)
who said its safe ? ::)
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Anyone who is using will sing it's praises. ::)
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who said its safe ? ::)
You did . ::)
no sorry thats not true. there isnt one example of that ever happening. its only speculation that it might occur over time because that HAS happened with test production before. but we know that the thyroid cant be permanently altered or damaged by exopgenous thyroid and th same has been shown to be true with the pancrease and insulin production..
And wheres your argument that you can fuck with your throid and not have problems..
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in the end.... they will all die!
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in the end.... they will all die!
We all die in the end, LOL!
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Oh the risk is there, definitely. Just isn't killing guys left and right, despite so many stupid guys using it.
Ya know, this post needs to be emphasized. Its NOT killing people left and right despite the amount of flat out morons taking the stuff. This may not be news to some people but I just had a small epiphany.
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hmmmm. . .
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the start of this thread seemed to be about long term health problems with AS. since we don't seem to be having an epidemic of ironage bodybuilders dying at rates out of the ordinary, it is reasonable to consider that the large doses used in the 1960s and 1970s are not detrimental to your health.
the drugs changed in the 1990s. GH, Insulin, more diuretics, dnp, synthol, etc. what is the long term effect of those? GH is known to accelerate existing cancer. gh can cause the enlargement of the heart. insulin is known to increase visceral fat, which certainly is bad for your heart. We'll just have to wait to see how current bodybuilders age.
Thanks for a smart post in this beat to the ground,played out topic
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I think people miss the point on this whiole thing. Sure the "newer" drugs & such play a role (I personally think people underestimate the damaging role diuretics can & do play). Also the fact that we're talking about people who go overboard on AAS (& other drugs for that matter). So naturally there will be some consequences. I think people also tend to forget about the other things involved in the life style - pain killers, rec drugs, etc (only wanting to focus on the "killer steroids"). Now, let's say every now & then I have a few beers watching a ball game - is it that bad for me? No, all should be fine. If it turns into a twelve pack with every game - is it bad? More then likely.
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I think people miss the point on this whiole thing. Sure the "newer" drugs & such play a role (I personally think people underestimate the damaging role diuretics can & do play). Also the fact that we're talking about people who go overboard on AAS (& other drugs for that matter). So naturally there will be some consequences. I think people also tend to forget about the other things involved in the life style - pain killers, rec drugs, etc (only wanting to focus on the "killer steroids"). Now, let's say every now & then I have a few beers watching a ball game - is it that bad for me? No, all should be fine. If it turns into a twelve pack with every game - is it bad? More then likely.
Depends on how many games you're watching.
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Depends on how many games you're watching.
Whole baseball season. ;D
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at the end of the day, there are health risks from using steroids,
but the fact is, if a pro athlete goes down with a health problems - its immediately blamed on steroids, while there are millions of people who die at 50-60 from heart problems related to alcohol, poor diet, stress, smoking, etc, etc....I bet you, it is probably safer to be 250 pounds, 5% bf, than 250 pounds obese hear-attack material eating McD's and fris all the time
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Somewhat related question here ....... Doesn't the Government place some sort of limits and control the amount of steroids that can be produced by these chemical labs at any given time? The Feds seem to keep track of everything else, so they must know how much of each controlled substance is required for "legit" medical purposes and prevent any "over-supply" that could get into the hands of professional or non-professional athletes.